[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to another episode of the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesandites.com. We're here in the middle of Horror Week 2023 at Capes and Tights. This episode features Paul Eaton from Glad to Comics and Collectibles, a regular on the podcast who does our movie reviews with us to review Killer Clowns from out of Space from May 20, 780 by the Chiodas brothers. We discussed how this movie affected us, the great things, the negative things, all that stuff, and gave it a score at the end. We also talked about horror movies in general, the horror industry in general, horror comics, horror books, all that stuff as well on this episode. And there's a little surprise discussion at the end if you hold yourself to it and listen to the whole thing. There's a little surprise there for you as well, where we talk about something that Paul and I are doing. But yeah, this is Killer Clowns from out of Space, our movie review episode for Horror Week 2023. Find out more at Horror Week. It's Capesandights.com Horror Week, but also like us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Blue Sky subscribe rate and review all those things over at Apple and Spotify and all your major podcasting platforms. But this is Killer Clowns from out of Space movie review with Paul Eaton from Galactic Comics and Collectibles. Enjoy, everyone.
I guess we're just going to leave this into welcome to the podcast, Paul. Welcome back. Actually, it's really weird. It's really weird because we recorded the last time we recorded a movie review was like a month ago. But the actual episode doesn't drop until the week that we're recording this, which is like Wednesday.
It's just funny. It's like I was like we literally are going to be talking again before your episode about Howard the Duck actually airs, but that will actually air the Wednesday we're recording this versus the Wednesday prior to this episode coming. So you get two Wednesdays in a row, Paul.
[00:01:47] Speaker B: Oh, baby.
[00:01:48] Speaker A: Because this middle of the week episode on Horror Week here at the podcast, we've had some pretty cool guests on this week so far with Jeremy Dauber talking horror. What scares us, really? Horror books, horror movies, all that stuff. He's writing a book to come out about what scares us. We talked to Joseph Schmalkey. You know that guy, right?
[00:02:04] Speaker B: You familiar with I might know him. Name sounds familiar.
[00:02:07] Speaker A: He writes some scary horror book type stuff.
And then we got this episode. Tomorrow's episode is with Adam caesar actually had this book right here randomly who wrote Clown in a Cornfield and Clown in a Cornfield Two, and the upcoming Clown in a Cornfield Three. He's also wrote dead mall.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: Dead Mall. I haven't read Dead Mall yet. That's on my to do list.
[00:02:27] Speaker A: I think it's a great story. It's a great book. Nothing gets Adam. Adam, we love you. David stole's art in there is phenomenal in my opinion. Just the way he does them all. He's the one that did the floor plan or architectural floor plan for me.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: You love in the Dark.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: Me you love in the Dark. Because he has a background in that. So he did the floor plan and architectural drawings for the Mall of Dead Mall, which is pretty badass, so that they could figure out when they tell the story, where they go, what the next room is. And I never thought about that, honestly, until I started talking.
[00:02:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it makes perfect sense. You'd have to have a plan because you can't just be like, writing it and then stumbling along and then be like, oh, wait, what was in this aisle here? It makes perfect sense. But, yeah, I never thought of it. I never would have thought of it. For me, Love in the Dark with this house.
And it does make me wonder how many more things do they do that for? Is that a common trend?
[00:03:19] Speaker A: I don't think it is. And I think what happens is people write themselves into a position where they're like, oh, crap, we have to go X, Y and Z. And that includes, like, a world twig for an example. He goes on a journey. You have to map that journey out, and I bet Scotty did, so that people are a TV show. You watch The Office, you have to kind of like where the offices are compared to the other offices because you can't point over here and then actually have The Office be over there. And the same thing, like Seinfeld when they're, like, walking from Jerry's apartment, because obviously that's a set, right? But when they walk to Kramer's, they have to like, okay, Kramer's is across the hall, but actually his set is actually not across the hall, probably next to it. But they have to map these things out. And I'm sure that some people write themselves into a panic because they don't know where people yes. Yeah, exactly.
[00:04:09] Speaker B: I'm sort of surprised Middlewest didn't have a full map of where they were going in that. That would have been kind of cool to open the trade up and have a big map of it.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: Did they do an omnibus of that yet? They did, they did. I was, like, wondering we sold out.
[00:04:25] Speaker B: Of this over and over again.
[00:04:27] Speaker A: But it's not in the omnibus.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: It's an omnibus. It's not a big hardcover, but it's a really thick paperback.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: Sometimes they add in the throws things they add in somewhere or something like that. It'd be almost kind of cool if they did a hardcover, like on the inside of a hardcover book, they have that. It's like, obviously the hardcover part. And then they've got the stronger almost like cardstock, piece of paper, and then the book starts. That must be cool if on that it was like a simple map, not like an actual detail map, but like, I don't know topographical kind of map on the inside of the COVID would be kind of cool.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: Give you an idea. Yeah. Even if it just had the X on the pinpoints and the little lines of where they stephen King runs into this.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: Talking about horror stuff here. I wonder if Stephen King runs into this at all, where if you actually Google, it's actually kind of hard because no one really has an actual they all mess with each other and they actually don't have a concrete reasoning behind this. Where is dairy? Where is Salem's Lot? Where is all these things in Stephen King's lore and there's a map but then you look at someone else's map and it's like well, they have something way up here county and they have dairy here and dairy's actually not in Maine, it's actually more like Newport. And then there's another one where like Salem's Lot is here but actually it's over here and it's weird. And in the movies for Salem Lot it's like they keep on mentioning Bangor but in the book they mention more it's closer to Portland. Anybody not from Maine is going to be like I don't know where the hell you're talking about.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: Yeah, they don't know what any of it is.
[00:05:49] Speaker A: They Bangor. Bangor is 2 hours north of Portland and so they say, oh, we're going to go to the movies in Bangor. And it's like if you lived if it's towards Portland, you wouldn't drive 2 hours to go to a movie, you'd go to Portland. So it was just kind of weird how they decided to change this.
[00:06:01] Speaker B: We'd have to have a really good movie playing here.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: I'm just wondering if Stephen King ever actually has that jotted down where he doesn't care, right?
[00:06:08] Speaker B: Probably not. Especially back then with so much of his writing taking place in the we didn't have you couldn't do there was no Google map then there wasn't anything to look over. But it's a lot easier these days if you're going to do that kind of stuff. Especially set in a real world where it's all made up for Maine, but there's all these pinpoints in it, which.
[00:06:29] Speaker A: I actually honestly hate the fact I love Stephen King and his books are great. I hate the fact that everything's a fake town. Why didn't you but they use real towns. That's the other part. They don't just use fake towns like Gotham or it's fake towns in Borderlines or around they mention Kittery, they mention Portsmouth, New Hampshire, they mentioned Portland, they mentioned Bangor.
You're making fake towns but you're using real towns to it. It always confused me. Why can't you just call Dairy Maine? Bangor, Maine. Like I just don't understand why you.
[00:06:56] Speaker B: Couldn'T do so much of so much of it takes place in Bangor that it's definitely feels like it's right here.
[00:07:04] Speaker A: But that's if I wrote a comic book in the future, which I'm hoping one day I will, which will be based in Maine. And I'm going to use real towns, fake people, maybe fake street names or things like that, just so people aren't like, this is the house from whatever, right? I would rather have it be like, but the town of Orrington or Bangor or whatever should be I don't know. It's just nice. If you're going to use Maine as your backdrop, you should use Maine as your like it just makes sense. But we're not here to talk about Stephen King and Maine and all that stuff. We're here to talk about what exactly.
[00:07:32] Speaker B: Does Stephen King have to do with killer clowns?
[00:07:36] Speaker A: He has a killer clown in one.
[00:07:37] Speaker B: Of his he does have a killer clown. I don't think it's the same clowns.
[00:07:40] Speaker A: No, it's not. Did you see at Bangor comic and ToyCon about when Art the Clown flipped off?
Honestly, it might have been the highlight of the entire weekend because it's just so like Maine for us. And Arthur clown is just like this grungy R rated clown, for example, or unrated clown. But he just walks by Pennywise and gives him the finger. I was like, that's amazing.
[00:08:06] Speaker B: That was awesome.
[00:08:07] Speaker A: But killer clowns? Killer Clowns from Outer Space is what we're here to talk about this month. I guess we're having two this month movie review. And we're doing Killer Clowns from Outer Space.
Funnily enough, it's a highly rated movie on, like, your ride.
[00:08:23] Speaker B: I was surprised at that. I did a little research on that and was surprised at how much positive reviews this movie has and everything.
I love this as a childhood movie. I saw this when I was, I don't know, seven, eight. And it's the only horror movie it's one of the only horror movies I ever saw as a kid. But this probably would be much closer into comedy than horror.
[00:08:51] Speaker A: Yes, but it's a slasher movie. Okay? It's a slasher horror movie from 1988 came out May 27, 1988. I was just over two years old when this movie came out.
But it doesn't take itself too seriously, if that makes any sense. Comedy. But it's not like straight up comedy, but it's also not straight up horror. It's one of those ones where it's like, if you aren't into horror that much, it's like, okay, I can get the funny jokes and the things almost making fun of itself in a sense that every single one of us sees these outer space alien attacks kind of movies as these prototypical Area 51 aliens, right? Like, that's just what you picture. And then you see a horror movie, you're like, okay, this is what the slasher and the horror villain looks like. And they kind of like, put both of them on their heads, they both turn upside down. What you're looking at. And that's what was impressive about this movie, was like, it didn't fit one genre. It perfectly fit in couple. And it's not my favorite movie it's not my favorite horror movie. It's not my favorite comedy movie. But it was good. It was definitely good. And I think it's something we both should watch because it's also become a cult classic.
[00:09:59] Speaker B: Yeah. This has a huge cult following. Well, I mean, we went to Spirit Halloween this weekend, and they have an entire killer clown smarter space set up. They have the costumes, they have an animatronic one. They have the weapons in the movie. You can get it's pretty impressive, the staying power of this movie.
I wonder what the guys that the brothers that made this movie thought this was going to like.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: Did they think this was going to.
[00:10:24] Speaker B: Take off the cult classic?
[00:10:27] Speaker A: They had a plan. Sequel. They did have a sequel that was talked about being made and then it ended up flopping or still talking about.
[00:10:34] Speaker B: Making a sequel to it.
[00:10:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:35] Speaker B: Which to this day.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: This is one of the things I wanted to bring up on this episode. Now you're talking about this. Is that I'm actually somewhat surprised. Okay. The movie turns 25. Turned 25 this year, right? No, turned 35 this year.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: 35.
[00:10:47] Speaker A: Turned 35 years old this year.
That they haven't tried a is this one of those movies that you really can't because then they're going to try to make it too funny or too graphic? It's like the movie has to stay where it is. It's honestly like, I never want to see a remake of Back to the Future. I wouldn't mind a sequel of sorts, like Marty's Kids or Doc's Kids or something like that. I don't have a problem with that.
If you did this movie again, would they try to use too much CGI and enough practical effects?
[00:11:16] Speaker B: Right.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: Are the practical effects bad enough that if you make a movie in 2025, that it's?
I don't know if it's possible to redo this movie.
[00:11:24] Speaker B: Right. You had the filming technology back then, is what it is. That helped aid in hiding the practical effects part of it where the practical effects don't look bad in this movie.
[00:11:34] Speaker A: I love them, honestly.
[00:11:35] Speaker B: Yeah, me too. And what they are is supposed to be goofy. So it's okay that they're goofy looking. But yeah, if you're doing this in like because I watched the DVD version release of this, so it was fairly clean.
But if you did this now, I feel like it might be too clean. Or the clowns, if you made them still having the same costumes and stuff from then, might just not look good in a high definition filming. Like, they might look stupid.
[00:12:07] Speaker A: I really enjoyed the new it, the remake of it in 2017. I really enjoyed it. And they did make him but here's the deal. They made him creepier as a clown. Like more gory, more edgy as a clown. Whereas one of the scary things about Tim Curry's clown from the 1990s miniseries on TV was the fact that he looked like I honestly looked like he walked into someone's birthday party.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: He looked like any other clown.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: And then he had the fierce teeth and he had the extra stuff. But the fact that he just looked like any other clown, the pennywise from the modern it is creepier and dirtier and grungier.
I feel like they'd almost do this with these clowns as they'd make them.
[00:12:45] Speaker B: The current pennywise would terrify anybody even if you don't.
[00:12:48] Speaker A: He showed up at a party. That is a murderer. That's a bad thing. Whereas these clowns are kind of like they've got the edginess to them. But I feel like they'd almost make them worse. They'd almost make them grunge. People just looked at the clowns like, oh, clowns in this movie, right? And then they left it at that.
[00:13:05] Speaker B: Yeah, they're like, why are these stupid looking clowns wandering around the town?
[00:13:08] Speaker A: It's almost like they were wearing masks. And people are like, why are these people wearing masks? Yeah, I wrote these notes down. Like, obviously, people are just like the police officer in the stop floating around with the clowns. Like, okay. After the fifth person who calls about something, if you don't do something at that point, it is your own fault that things are just happening.
[00:13:28] Speaker B: And this guy's got like the like, you're not going to pull one over.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: On me for everybody.
[00:13:35] Speaker B: It was funny because I couldn't figure out why I knew him. Now watching it because he's one of the only bigger actors in this movie. And I realized I looked him up. So he was the mayor in Dirty Harry, which I love Dirty Harry. And I'm like, okay, because his voice is super familiar. And then apparently the old guy that's like the first one to get killed is a famous Westerns actor from back in the day. But his acting was like ridiculously goofy, over the top.
I don't know.
It's a fun movie.
[00:14:13] Speaker A: I'm glad we did it for this thing. We could talk back and forth like we had talked about. Like, oh, well, first of all, we've had conversations off recording, which was, do we ever review movies that are really good because it's kind of hard to talk about because all we're going to do is phrase them. And it's kind of hard to critique them as much. Well, the one thing I didn't like about this movie is and so on and so forth, it's just way more fun to review movies that are crap because you can crap all over them and have fun and joke about them and not take them too seriously. We're not here to be professional movie critics, but this one kind of sat in the middle for me because it wasn't bad, but it wasn't also award winning.
[00:14:48] Speaker B: This is a movie that if somebody hadn't seen as either like a goofy Sci-Fi movie fan or a B rated movie fan or oh, I enjoy horror I would absolutely recommend this movie.
If somebody tells me that they aren't really into any of that genre, I probably would not say, you got to see killer consumer face.
But if you like your goofy, cheesy movies, this is one of the best, I would think.
[00:15:16] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: I feel like the acting in this movie, besides the old guy being over the top and the two brothers, everything is downplayed. But the acting is not necessarily bad.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: No.
[00:15:27] Speaker B: You have two idiot brothers in the ice cream truck driving around. Overall, it's really not bad. And it kind of surprised me that none of these actors really did anything else.
[00:15:37] Speaker A: I mean, at the time, was the movie like a movie made money? It did well, but at the time, it was like, if you make a stupid movie, people might not take you as serious. So, honestly, we talked about this for last week's episode with Howard the Duck. Some of those actors in that movie that movie was so badly received that some of those actors felt like it said it. You ruined my career. I mean, honestly, not long after Howard the Duck came out, tim Robbins starred in freaking Shawshank Redemption, which is one of my favorite movies of all time, if not my favorite movie of all time.
[00:16:04] Speaker B: He started his career.
[00:16:06] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's like it's one of those things that whatever, but if you don't know killer clowns from outer space teenagers is mike and Debbie see a comet crash outside of sleepy town, so they go to investigate it, and then they find a pack of murderous just so the thing I was explaining this to someone. I forget who it was this weekend, and I was laughing because the fact that killer clowns from out of space, it takes these alien figures that you would normally see and put them in, make them clowns, and then they also take that their spaceship is basically a circus tent in a sense. Like, it lands, and it's a circus tent out of the middle of nowhere. And I love the old dude who's like, oh, look at a circus tent. I haven't been in a random circus.
[00:16:47] Speaker B: In the middle of nowhere in your all of a sudden, a circus tents.
[00:16:52] Speaker A: Here, that's Garrett when he's like, that age.
I wonder what this is here for. Let me go check it out.
No. And so they see that circus clowns, they're murderous. They use these popcorn as weapons. They use cotton candy as like, oh, my God.
[00:17:08] Speaker B: Every goofy thing. Yeah. So the cotton candy cocoon thing, one of them that gets me in this movie is how they're going around. Like, there's no one left in this town. They filled the ship up, and no one's like, oh, my God, they've killed everyone. They're just man. Yeah. Kind of sucks, these clowns showing up.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: Was that part of the comedy? Is that part of the idea that.
[00:17:33] Speaker B: Mike was really worried about his guy he knew from school or whatever, because that's the first one he finds when he tears the cotton candy down. He's like, oh, my god.
So he keeps going on about that one guy, but he's not worried about the fact of everyone else in town.
The entire town is cleaned out, gone. No one left. Well, and he tries to warn he.
[00:17:57] Speaker A: Tries to warn the authorities. And people are all like, what? It's the prank. And then everybody's missing. So at some point, again, at some point, someone has to go, you're all morons because we tried to tell you about this. And the cop and spoilers the cop, eventually the one that doesn't listen eventually dies. And you're like, well, screw you, man. That's your own goddamn fault.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: He has it coming. Yeah, that was a scene as a kid. It is creepy. With the clown using him as a puppet.
[00:18:24] Speaker A: Yes, that was one of the horrific parts. And then there's the part where they use popcorn as a weapon is the funny parts. You know what I mean? There's both sides.
[00:18:34] Speaker B: The clown comes out there after they shoot him with the popcorn guns. And you're like, I don't get why they shot him with popcorn. The popcorn is all stuck to him. And then you see the clown come out and start making the balloon dog and then the dog sniffing out the popcorn. So you're like, oh, okay. I get it now.
[00:18:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just so funny how they.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: Don'T happening in town with the clowns are great. Like, they're hilarious.
[00:18:56] Speaker A: And the clown like I said, the makeup, the practical effects are fun. It's just different. They're obviously not to be taken too seriously. But the idea that we always picture clowns coming or aliens coming to Earth in this one way, and they're like, well, why wouldn't they be clowns? Why wouldn't a random alien race be just sticks with arms or something? Why do we always picture them as humanoids? And this fact that they're clowns is funny and the fact that they used all those extra things. And I also didn't know when I saw the cocoon things, I'm like, are they doing more? Like?
Have you ever seen Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Probably not. Really?
That's basically like honestly, it's like Secret Invasion. Okay? That's the easiest explanation I have for you, is that they kidnap people's bodies. They make new ones and replace the bodies with new ones with no emotions at all, no love, no hate, no whatever. And they're trying to basically take over the world with these new bodies that have no ability really to do anything wrong. So they just live. And that's what I cast on a thought we were doing on this thing with Invasion of the Body statues where they're like, kidnapping these things and putting them in some sort of casino to make them into clowns. No. And then I see the guy stick the straw in the thing and start drinking. I'm like, oh, they're eating them.
[00:20:10] Speaker B: Yeah, that's gross. That's the one like, oh, they're just here for a bite to eat. They just stop by and yeah, that's exactly what they are.
[00:20:19] Speaker A: I was like, oh, is it sweet like cotton candy? Is it strawberry cotton candy?
[00:20:24] Speaker B: Probably eventually, because you see the I think that one's name is Fatso, because they actually have names now. I think that one's fatso. And he's down there, like, poking the one that looks the best and the tastiest or yeah, this is gross. And sucking the blood out of there's. I don't know. The comedy effects in the movie are good. The puppet things are scary. When the girl stuck the girl in the shower gets stuck in the bathroom with all of the new formed clowns there. That's, like, terrifying in and of itself, too, because apparently they grow from the popcorn. You get that idea when the other one comes along, dumps it in the dumpster. And then the garbage kid the kid taking the garbage out, like the fast food joint gets pulled in.
[00:21:09] Speaker A: If no one knew what we were talking we just started talking about this movie and then told you what the movie was at the end. You'd be like, what the hell is this movie you're talking about? It just doesn't seem like a movie that would ever it literally was made for $1.8 million. And over the years, because obviously it's been rereleased in different options, and they've done things and they put it in for, like, Halloween, stuff like that, it's made 43 million. So you're saying that's a great return on your investment for a movie like this. And you would never think, to my mind, that this movie made over $40 million in the and then you got.
[00:21:35] Speaker B: To wonder, with these costumes, with these toys, funko Pops, these killer clowns has gone all over the place. How much is this franchise now?
[00:21:48] Speaker A: I was also wondering why you would.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: I guess there's a video game they must have been made back in the day, like a computer only game that they tried to make a killer clown sequel to video Game, which I kind of want to play now.
[00:22:03] Speaker A: Exactly. Did you know that this movie they said that this movie made $43 million in the box office.
Last week's review made $38 million in the box office. So this movie actually made $5 million more than Harvard the Duck. And this movie was made for 1.8 million.
[00:22:17] Speaker B: Well done, guys. Well done. Did better than George Lucas.
[00:22:21] Speaker A: George Lucas made whatever they made it for $30 million.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: Yeah, this movie was they made, like, 35.
[00:22:29] Speaker A: And the practical effects almost were better in this movie than it was in that movie. And that's largely to the Chiodos brothers. So Charles and Steven Chiodo, they wrote the movie together, and then Stephen directed it. And the Chiotas brothers are known for special effects and things that made movies. The special effects have done something in that vein for Critters, ernest Scared, Stupid Elf. They did all the claymation stuff in Elf.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: Oh, nice.
[00:22:55] Speaker A: And they were also part of that.
[00:22:56] Speaker B: That's awesome.
[00:22:57] Speaker A: They were part of the special effects and practical effects team for the Team America movie, made by the guys who made a lot. And there's a bunch of other ones that can go on. So they've had a successful behind the scenes special effects, practical effects.
[00:23:09] Speaker B: That whole thing must have been pretty easy for them to do this movie, then, with that kind of background and already being familiar with all of it.
Yeah, because all of that stuff is great. The CGI and it's obviously it's 80 CGI. It is what it is.
[00:23:22] Speaker A: And there's not much, but they almost like they have to use it for certain things. But other than that, it's not like.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: Yeah, when they shoot the cotton candy gun thing and when the clowns explode, because when you kill a clown I don't understand. They spin into a giant tornado of green stuff and they blow.
[00:23:41] Speaker A: I didn't mention this yet, but I probably should because it won awards. There's an animated movie called Marcel and the Shell and Marcel the Shell with the shoes on.
It's like a little shell that walks around. It's like a silent movie. Animated movie. They did stop motion for that, too, which is pretty one award, so it probably should be mentioned.
[00:24:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: What else was there? There was also the Mr. Potato Head show.
Ernest gets stupid critters Monsters UHF with Weird Al from 1990.
[00:24:15] Speaker B: Really surprising that these guys did so much of this stuff and they had such a successful turnaround in this movie. But then they haven't done another movie independently by themselves. Maybe it was just too much work. Maybe they're like, you know what? This is?
[00:24:28] Speaker A: Yes, because I can't well, we can't.
[00:24:31] Speaker B: Go into.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: To we talked to Damien Leone and David Howard Thornton from Terrifyer at the Bangor comic ToyCon. And one of the things they mentioned was someone you damien Leone, who wrote the movie, directed the movie, produced the movie and did the special effects for the movie. The two movies. The first two movies is would you call yourself a director, a writer, a special effects makeup artist? What would you consider yourself? And he goes, I like the overall encompassing title, filmmaker. I said that makes sense. I like that. Our friend Joseph Schmalke likes to go by comic book storyteller. He's an artist and a writer, but he's a storyteller. He just uses both mediums to tell stories and so on and so forth. But the funny thing is, in Terrifyer Three, which comes out in 2024, is they have a higher budget because now it's being got picked up by a bigger studio and so on and so forth. And he's actually hired in a special effects and makeup people.
He's not off the plate as long as they're equal to what he wanted to do. He's like, I would then consider myself now as the writer and director. And so maybe the Chios brothers did the opposite, where they're like, I don't know about the director. I don't want to run the whole thing. I just want to sit there. I want to make my stuff in the back studio. I don't want to actually like that's.
[00:25:46] Speaker B: The part they enjoyed the most.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: Correct. Dam Leone wants to tell his story story, and he can say, if someone else is capable of doing this practical effects, I'll just do the story part. And that's maybe they did the opposite. Thought process on that makes sense.
[00:25:59] Speaker B: I can't imagine. It's got to be a lot of work and you're dealing with the actors that you're hiring and you're dealing with I mean, they must have had a pile of stuff involved in this. The cities you're filming in or the sets you're using. I mean, all of it to go through. You get done with it and be like, you know what? I don't really want to do that again. I can totally see that.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: The funny thing about the Shyodas Brothers ready for this is in early two thousand s. I was in high school, so 2000 to 2004 is when I was at 2001, 2004, I was at Bangor High School in Bangor, Maine. And I listened to a lot of, like, screamo and post hardcore and all those kind of bands when I was growing up. There's a band from Michigan called Chiodos okay? And I had no idea, no connection, no worries at all about why this band was named just okay, the band's name is cool sounding name, whatever it actually does, if you go online, look it up. They had their name was called the Lighthearted Carpet Knights was the original name before they changed it to The Chiodos Bros.
And then the band, in tribute to filmmakers Stephen and Charles and Edward Chiodas, responsible for Killer Khan, they ended up changing and dropping the and the brothers to just Chiotos. But the name of the band is actually named after the people who made this movie, which I thought was hilarious. And if I had the copyright to that music, I would use it as the opening music episode. But I don't have we obviously can't do that. But I thought it was kind of funny that this is completely unrelated, but they're years later, that's like how they.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: Actually have their own song made for this movie, which is completely ridiculous and fantastic.
[00:27:35] Speaker A: I just watched that the Retaliators, the movie that came out 2018, 1920, somewhere around there, I believe. And it's a five finger death punch in the movie. And so is the singer of Papa Roach. And so there's a song for it that's like all of them together. It's this kind of funny that it's like they wanted to make a movie and they had a friend who made it. Let's make a horror movie together and I want to be in it. It's cheesy, but it's actually pretty good. It's not that bad, the retaliators, but yeah. So it's funny how these guys made this movie and they never made anything else. They're still alive, obviously.
They just did the stuff on stop motion for Marcel. They could be involved in a reboot or a continuation or something with it. But you'd have to almost make the movie like they made it in 1980s.
It wouldn't be taken.
[00:28:20] Speaker B: As I'd almost say, you'd want to determine the difference between what 1.8 million was in the what it is now.
[00:28:28] Speaker A: Make that your budget. Still.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: Our budget, like, okay, 1.8 million in the 80s is now worth 3.5 million today or whatever. And say that's our budget.
[00:28:36] Speaker A: It's probably worth like 30 million now with inflation nowadays.
[00:28:40] Speaker B: That's awful, but stick to that.
[00:28:43] Speaker A: But even the rest of the round hire good actors, get good cameras, get good lighting, get all that stuff. But even if you use CGI for the entire thing, make your CGI look like the clowns from the 80s movie. Yeah, I think that would make people happy.
[00:28:58] Speaker B: You definitely do not want to change the latexy weird.
[00:29:03] Speaker A: I bet those things are in good condition right now.
[00:29:05] Speaker B: Oh, God. Those are probably dissolved and look terrifying. They probably look scarier now than they did then.
Yeah, because you want that. You want the weird facial movements and the lips. And they did have the pointy teeth under them. These clowns are pretty terrifying once you got a good look at them. But when you just see them waddling around and that's the other thing. They move like this weird lumbering waddle.
[00:29:30] Speaker A: But they have to because they're, like, in these massive suits.
I don't think they probably wrote it into script or walk that way.
[00:29:38] Speaker B: No, it's probably the only way. And they have, like, huge feet. I mean, they're big goofy clowns. So it was funny them walking out of the woods into that into town. You're surprised that they made it into town in the same night pace they're going. But then they have the little clown car and they all pile out of it and stuff. It's funny to look at them and they only have like, three fingers. And to think that they managed to come up with all this technology we can't and he made space. How do they accomplish space flight with whatever accomplished spaceflight?
[00:30:09] Speaker A: In a friggin circus tent.
[00:30:10] Speaker B: In a circus tent.
[00:30:11] Speaker A: That's we did it. We've been doing it all wrong, Paul. We can go to Mars. It just has to be in a circus tent. Why haven't we done this yet? Learn a lot from the show.
[00:30:20] Speaker B: It bores a hole like a giant top into whatever surface it lands in, apparently.
And whatever the hell the thing is when they're running around inside the spaceship. There they in that one room that is just like it goes down forever. And there's this giant electric globe shooting lightning off everywhere. That's what they must be their power source or something.
Yeah. How does Alien group came up with this technology while only having three fingers and not being able to move more than a waddle around?
[00:30:50] Speaker A: Pretty impressive. It's funny with these things.
The best part about this movie is the fact that horror movies can either be taken far too seriously to the point where you can't sleep, horror anything, honestly. Horror books, horror comics. We've talked about Nail Biter and Legacy of Violence and some of these books that come out over the past few years that make you literally go, oh, my god, this is crazy. I mean, I just read a book called Ankle Snatcher from Grady Hendrix. That was about thing living under the bed. And then my son woke up in the morning. His feet were under the bed. I was like, holy shit. But no. So there's things that make you scared. And then this movie is like then there's like Scary Movie, the actual movie, scary Movie. Not like which is like stupid, stupid horror movie. It's like one of those things that's comedy that has some deaths in it. And they did some sort of perfect balance in killer Clowns from out of Space, where it's like they didn't take themselves too seriously. But they also didn't go too far into the slapstick comedy. Some horror movies can be so gory and gross to make you just grossed out. And they didn't have that aspect in this. It's a little bit of everything. And I think that's what makes this movie like one of those approachable movies for a lot of people. And the clown part of it. Clowns are scary.
It was creepy.
They could have been like, oh, we're going to make it carnival barkers and make them the aliens. But they made clowns because there was a reason. Because clowns are scary to a lot of people in the first place. They're scared of clowns in the first place. What I do appreciate about this movie is the fact that they did this like, no, we're going to make it a tent. We're going to make these guys come and just look for sustenance and whatever. They could have made it more like this tent randomly appeared. They started selling tickets. You didn't know they were bad until some stuff started bad happening. You could have done this more like creepy, inconspicuous. Kind of like taking over instead of just like little kidnapping and murdering people.
[00:32:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Instead. These things don't have that kind of intellect, it seems like.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:32:42] Speaker B: They just kind of if you made.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: It like do what they do, or Secret Invasion or I just mentioned Invasion of the Body Snatchers where people didn't know what was going on at all.
[00:32:52] Speaker B: Right.
[00:32:52] Speaker A: This one person who's like, something's not right here. And then you start investigating and figuring out they could have made these clowns where it's like, you never get out of character, do you? And it's like, oh, no, I'm a method actor. And they just play as a clown this whole time. And then you come to find out they're really evil people and they just didn't do that. They just like, no, we're just going to come here and make these clowns eat people. In a sense, yeah.
[00:33:12] Speaker B: Goofy alien clowns that eat people. Like, all of the scenes of them touching people and doing things are all goofy. Like the little guy on the little tricycle and the biker gang coming after him and then him punching his head.
[00:33:26] Speaker A: Off the trash can for Horror Week. I believe it came out on Monday of Horror Week. So if people want to go to Captain Tights.com Horror Week, they can figure out see the entire list. But I did a list of my 30 favorite horror movies.
Okay, this is not on it, I'll tell you that right now.
[00:33:45] Speaker B: You didn't make the list. Good.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: It's good, but it's not that good. No.
[00:33:51] Speaker B: 30 horror movies.
[00:33:52] Speaker A: Out of all the horror movies, there's a certain ones where I'm like, you know, like Christmas movies are those ones that Taylor and I were talking about. My wife Taylor, we're talking about like, these are the movies you have to watch every year. We have to watch Elf. We have to watch Rudolph, the red nose reindeers. And you like watching them every year. I feel like Halloween time, there's a certain demographic of people, a small percent of people who are like, we've got to watch Halloween every year, like the actual Halloween movie or Psycho or whatever. And there's a portion like me, whereas I want to watch a lot of new stuff. Not that saying that I won't watch the older stuff or stuff, not new stuff per se. That came out recently, but stuff I haven't seen.
[00:34:26] Speaker B: Yeah. You don't want to rewatch it.
[00:34:27] Speaker A: I'm not really rewatching that's.
[00:34:29] Speaker B: The thing with horror, I feel like, is if you have the sentimental attachment because you grew up watching horror. I feel like a lot of the horror fans appreciate rewatching things.
If you're in it for the Scare right here now, you're not really going to relive that.
[00:34:44] Speaker A: No, because, you know, I've watched The.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: Shining, like, probably four times.
[00:34:50] Speaker A: And the thing is, you're not a big horror fan, but that's your favorite horror movie, I would say. Yeah, because honestly, it's number three on my list. It's number three on my list, yeah. Okay, so the right above that is American sorry, Psycho. 1960, Alfred Hitchhik. Psycho is number one.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: Yes, I want to watch.
[00:35:08] Speaker A: Number two is Rosemary's baby. It's one of my favorite movies. It's great. And that was 1968 and 1960, and then obviously 1980 for The Shining. But I guess my point is, out of the top five movies that are on my list, which include that's I said The Shining, and then number four is Halloween, and number five is Jaws. Jaws is the only one out of that that I'm like, I could just throw Jaws on and watch it.
[00:35:30] Speaker B: We actually watch Jaws every summer, my wife and I. That's like a summer tradition.
[00:35:34] Speaker A: But I'm just trying to think of.
[00:35:36] Speaker B: Right when you're into the feeling of going to the beach all the time and everything, we have to watch Jaws.
[00:35:40] Speaker A: I'm just trying to go through this I'm going through this list. I'm not going to list them all off because you should check it out. Everybody should check it out. But out of my horror movies that are on this thing, there's only I mentioned Jaws. Okay, let's see here. Jaws. We're still on one we're still on one movie out of the top 30 that I'm like, yeah, just throw it on and we'll watch it.
[00:36:00] Speaker B: Rewatch it.
[00:36:01] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:36:01] Speaker B: Jaws.
[00:36:01] Speaker A: One movie out of the top 30 movies, Paul, that I think they're great horror movies, and I think everybody should watch them. And I'm not saying I wouldn't rewatch them. I will definitely rewatch all of them over again. One of them are the ones that's like, okay, let's rewatch this. This falls in the category of you could make this your annual October.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: Oh, God. Yeah. I usually watch this movie every year to two years. I watch California.
[00:36:23] Speaker A: You could put this and you're like, okay, I have these movies. And again, Halloween is on that list. And I guess if you're into watching one or two horror movies around Halloween, halloween would make that list, in my opinion, because it's the best of those early mid 80s, early 70s, early 70s slasher movies with that. So I put it on there because it's a good movie and people do like it a Nightmare on Elm Street. I am not a huge Nightmare on Elm Street fan, but I understand why people like it. And the Friday the 13th lore is fun with Jason.
Number one is okay. Number two or three are good, but after that, it's like literally they send him to space at one point and into the future. Right?
It's ridiculous. They cryogenically freeze him and send him 500, 400 years in the future.
[00:37:08] Speaker B: Science fiction part of it becomes ridiculous.
[00:37:11] Speaker A: Obliterate this person, incinerate this person.
It's so funny. They've gone, these Halloween movies and these Friday the 13th movies, to a point now where it's like, at the beginning, it was almost somewhat believable, like this could be based on a true story to now they're like lightning bolts, reanimating bodies and things like that. But my point is that there's a few of those classic horror movies where, like, I got to watch these every year and really enjoy it, and because of the fact they're not as enjoyable to watch for most people, most of the demographic out there, right, to watch over again. Because a, you know how it goes. You know where the jump scares are, you know?
[00:37:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Usually once you lose that, I feel like that's kind of your big horror part is that jump scare. And that on the edge of your seat, biting your fingernail feeling. And if you've seen it once, you don't really have that again.
[00:37:59] Speaker A: But this adds that. I think that puts it in the list. And I say, honestly, probably there's probably from movie number 31 to 50, if I was to do it that high, there's probably a bunch more in that that are under the rewatchable category. And that's where our friends over at the Friends from Work podcast have the idea that what's a good Marvel movie versus what's a rewatchable Marvel movie. Like, there's a bunch of rewatchable Marvel movies that are not even in their top ten or top 15 movies. It's just those are the ones that are like, that's a classic movie. You can watch over antman. They could just put that on, enjoy comedy. It's got the funness to it. Paul rod's great. Guardians of the Galaxy, those kind of movies.
[00:38:34] Speaker B: God, I love the Guardians movies.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: But those movies people watch as a rewatchable. And so this would be categorized, in my opinion, as the it's got scariness in it. There's jump scares or things like that. There's comedy in it. But rewatchable horror movie, in my opinion, it's a much rewatchable horror movie. And I think that falls in the category. I'm going to break that down because this year's Horror Week is all planned out. But I'm going to write down for next year's Horror Week, we'll probably do a top ten most rewatchable horror movies.
[00:39:02] Speaker B: There we go. Nice.
Funny. So I saw the Shining for the first time. I saw it as an adult on the big screen. The theater for the Stephen King WKIT radio giveaway broadcast thing where you can't buy tickets to it.
[00:39:23] Speaker A: They're doing? Pet sematary this.
[00:39:25] Speaker B: Yes. Which I would also love to see on the big screen. I think that'd be cool.
So that was the first time I saw the shiny. And I didn't know what necessarily to expect. And I could not by the time it got going, I was up on the edge of my seat. And I think because of that experience of seeing it for the first time, I rewatched the shiny. And my wife ended up really liking it when I was telling her about it. And then we watched it, she really liked it. So that's one we go back to every few years, I feel like, for Halloween week.
[00:39:52] Speaker A: And there's more to that story because I feel like one of the problems we have so there's problems with every genre, really, but action movies and drama movies, for an example, I feel like have less over the top either side of it, if that makes any sense. Like action movies. There are some Michael Bay movies where it's like, okay, he just does explosions for explosions. But most action movies, it's like there's only a certain amount of action you can put in a movie that makes it watchable. And so, like, a good action movie is just a good action movie. There's not many I think there's comedies where there's like, okay, we just tried for people laughing. There's no story here. You're literally just telling jokes or you're not funny at all. Like, this is not even funny. I don't even understand why you're doing this. In horror is the same thing. You're almost trying to make people puke and scare them so they can't go to bed at night. And then there's the ones that are just, like, creepy. They're just like one of those weird things that's, like, they're trying to do some sort of obscure thing in the horror genre that's not really I would.
[00:40:45] Speaker B: Rather have that creepy.
It sits with you feeling like when I first saw the 6th Sense, I saw 6th Sense in theaters, whatever. I was a teenager, I guess, or preteen somewhere in there, and I had to go see that movie. And that one definitely creeped me out for a long time because they use those things in real life, like those weird, like, oh, I have a chill, and that means there's a ghost present with you, and all those things. That stuff definitely lasted in my mind for a long time.
[00:41:18] Speaker A: I think that's part of what I'm trying to say. One of the things you know this and people probably notice now on the podcast, this is probably the third time I've said it this week on these episodes is what scares me the most is what could be potentially real. Even though I know it's fake. The best part about it is too many people are like, I can't watch that movie. I can't get in cars after this. I'm like, you do realize all these freaking movies are fake. You have to have a line where it might initially scare you. Like, if you read a book about ankle snatching and then go to bed, obviously you're bound and determined to have some sort of nightmares.
But, like, three weeks from now, it shouldn't bother you anymore knowing this is a freaking fiction book or movie, and it shouldn't be something that you hold on to for the rest of your life. Have the ability to say, this is fake. This is real. But I like the idea when you're watching the movie. I've always said this about paranormal activity. Paranormal activity. First of all, number one, it was made excellently because it was made with almost no money. And that, to me, is a lot. It was really well made, really good story with no money. Just adds that whole aspect to it. But up until they Hollywoodized it towards the end of the movie, spoilers the movie was like, oh, my God. This is actual people's security camera footage. This actually happened in someone's house. This is freaking crazy. And at the very end of the movie, again, spoilers. If anybody wants to watch the movie, it came out freaking 20 years ago.
They had this beast kind of looking thing jump at the camera. And I'm like, okay, you lost me there. Because at that point, now I know it's not real.
Whereas up until that point, things move. Things fell off the shelf. They saw mists. All the stuff that's like, okay, it can be explained away, but it could be real. It was what I love about horror movies that make you jump and make you think. Those are the kind of good ones, the ones that make you go, oh, Terrifyer is one of the exceptions, in my opinion, because I do like both movies. It's like they just gore you out to gore you out. Let's cut someone half, because we can cut someone in half. You don't have to kill someone that way. You could just kill someone and it's still scary. You know what I mean? Texas Chainsaw Massacre, all those movies, they just killed people. It's not like they cut someone's boob off.
Let's try to gross you out and try to freak you out.
And this movie, again, this has this scariness to it in Killer Clowns, but not to the point I got to look away, right?
Comedy. That makes it not scary, if that makes any sense.
[00:43:38] Speaker B: A teenager watching scream. And where I wasn't a big horror person, I saw Scream at a sleepover for a budy of mine's birthday. He had a bunch of us all over at his place. We all hung out. And that was the perfect setting to watch Scream because here we are, a bunch of teenagers, and here's a bunch of teenagers being murdered by something that is very real. This was obviously just a guy in a suit, and that had a super creep factor to it because this could be happening to us right now. Here's this group of us in this house together, and that's basically what the whole movie was. So I always liked Scream as having that true real life. You could just have these two high school kids kind of go nuts and start killing the town.
[00:44:24] Speaker A: Okay, so I changed my statement earlier about one in my top 30. I'm going to put two in there because I think the first Scream movie could be in that. Because even though, you know, and it has to be one of those things that you might want to watch a year, a couple of years apart, so you kind of forget. You kind of like, I think I know who the killer is, but I can't remember who the killer is. I think that's one of the franchises, in my opinion, that's done almost well for all of the movies, and that's because they from the beginning. Obviously not from the beginning. From movie two, they're like, no, someone just has to be wearing the has it doesn't have to be the you.
[00:44:56] Speaker B: Could continue having this copycatting of it where Jason is Jason and therefore it.
[00:45:01] Speaker A: Gets ridiculous and Michael Myers is Michael Myers. And it's like those kind of movies, it's like, okay, obviously Freddy from Nightmare on Elm Street is but not human from hell he's not.
[00:45:13] Speaker B: But like that immediately takes that know.
[00:45:16] Speaker A: Michael Myers could have had a kid and the kid took over or some sort of person he took under his arm and then Michael Myers dies. And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, bam, someone else is wearing the Michael Myers mask. And same thing in Jason. Jason could have had someone else from the camp that you didn't know about. Someone else died before he died.
[00:45:32] Speaker B: Kept doing it.
[00:45:33] Speaker A: Yes. And they just kept scream was one of those ones that they continue they could make Scream movies forever because someone just has to be wearing the ghost face mask to make it a realistic thing. And the fact that A, Michael Myers in Halloween grabbed a mask out of a store and B same as Scream. Scream's mask is just a mask. It's not like it was everywhere. It was honestly Jason's the same thing. Jason in movie three, he takes the mask from someone else. He kills in the movie and puts it on. And then from Jason three up until Jason 27, he's been wearing that mask with a caveat that he did not wear the exact same mask the entire Jason X movie. When he went to space, he made.
[00:46:12] Speaker B: This futuristic well, when you space travel as a serial killer, you have to change it up.
[00:46:18] Speaker A: Well, I guess here's my little Shameless plug we got oh, here we go. We got a legacy of violence here. Colin Bunn. You should read A Legacy of Violence Volume One, available at Mad Cave Studios. You can get your local comic book shop, including collective comics and collectibles outside of downtown Bangor, Mainegalacticcomicscollectibles.com. Yes, and this is volume two, which is just released over at Mad Cave, which is Collect the Next Four Issues from Colin Bunn. But on the back of the volume, a little nice little surprise there. We got a little pull quote from Capes and Tights. I know that who wrote it. But I wanted to read this not because I'm throwing the Shameless plug on this, but I wanted to read what it says. And this is kind of the epitome of what I think horror stuff should be. And I think that's why so it says A Legacy of Violence sits right in that sweet spot of what we love most about independent comics and horror movies and horror stuff. A wonderful story that could be based on true events but very slightly into the unbelievable. And that was where I think that most horror movies that's not this movie. So we kind of got on a tangent off just talking about horror movies, right? Yeah, we went off topic because honestly.
[00:47:21] Speaker B: I mean, you don't know that we have started having some belief in alien life and technology being out there. So who's to say that there isn't killer clowns from outer space here's?
[00:47:33] Speaker A: My, are you ready for the takeover? My groundbreaking thought is I honestly think if we have any other living beings out there in this entire kind of vast space that we have out there, it's nothing we've seen before, if that makes any sense. You cannot make a movie about aliens in outer space because we don't know what they look like. And I feel like nothing that we have on Earth is going to resemble what we see, if that makes any sense to anybody at all.
[00:48:00] Speaker B: Because have the people preparing for zombie apocalypse. I, meantime, will be using nothing but clown targets from now on to make sure I can shoot them in the nose.
[00:48:07] Speaker A: Well, let's be honest, Paul. It's way more likely for when the.
[00:48:10] Speaker B: Clowns come because they're coming based on this movie. I think it's 100% like a reality takeover.
[00:48:15] Speaker A: I'll tell you right now, as a huge Walking Dead fan right, right. Huge Walking Dead fan. I am telling you right now, it's more likely that clowns from outer space come to Earth than the.
[00:48:32] Speaker B: Earth.
[00:48:33] Speaker A: Is this more likely there's actually something, an infinite number of worlds that are out there. That there is a world just full of clowns. There's a world full of ducks. There's so many more possibilities for that than actually scientifically. Someone dies, they die.
There's no coming back.
[00:48:47] Speaker B: As we're way off topic in this horror tangent anyways.
[00:48:49] Speaker A: Well, we got kind of the same.
[00:48:51] Speaker B: Yeah, we're kind of going on. So Sci-Fi horror movies that creep us the hell out. Alien, of course, is like Alien, but I did not even know what I was watching, okay? I had a neighbor that used to hook me up with movies a lot. Like when I was, I don't know, I must have been 1819, something like that. He'd be like, I got to watch this. So I watched Event Horizon not knowing what I was watching. Like, okay, it starts. And I'm like, oh, it's a Sci-Fi movie. Great. I love sci-fi movies. Holy shit. Is that terrifying? And the idea that as we are messing with different space technology and we're messing with studying black holes and with all that, that you could create something that opened a dimensional portal style thing and that hell is real and that this ship went to hell and back out and takes it with it. It's not like a realistic, but at the same time, it's not unrealistic. You know what I mean? Talk about your movies. That creep you out. That movie creeped me out maybe more than any other one I ever saw. That thing. Sat with me. And the way it ends is just like, good God. I have had a hard time watching Jurassic Park because of that actor. Now I just constantly see him as this creepy creator of the ship. Like, good God. So there you go. There's your sci-fi movie. That movie scared the hell out of me way more than Killer Clowns from Outer Space did when I was seven.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: And we talked about this with don't.
[00:50:17] Speaker B: Bother me to this day while watching this movie as a child. Clowns don't bother me. But that movie creeped me that loud.
[00:50:22] Speaker A: Well, for the longest time, dinosaurs bothered me because the fact that I randomly had saw Jurassic Park on the TV and I was like, holy shit, I'm scared. Here's the deal, is that horror is one of those weird. It's like, we talked about this and that's why Jeremy Dauber kind of basically said he's writing a book about what scares us. Not basically something that's in the horror genre because the horror genre is so massive and there's subgenres to it and all that stuff.
But the idea is that just because something's scary doesn't make it a horror movie. And just because something's a horror movie doesn't make it particularly scary, if that makes any sense. Horror is more weird in the book market, I think. Taylor and I, my wife and I were talking about this this weekend. We would stop at Boost to pick up some books and stuff. And one of the things it is is that there's a mystery thriller section and then there's a horror section. My wife literally a lot of mystery thrillers, but there's a copy of books in both spots. Like, I saw like a Josh Mallorman who wrote The Bird Box, which was made into a movie on Netflix. His bird box was, like, in horror, but it was also in mystery. And that could potentially be because Bull Moose is just throwing shit on the shelves. It's possible.
[00:51:28] Speaker B: I didn't know. I think you definitely have a crossover there between your because I have a hard time sometimes when my wife is looking for a book and I go look, and I'm like, well, where am I looking for this? Because the books she reads are potentially just in your fictional drama stuff, but they could be in your suspenseful thriller, because usually she has some sort of mystery going on, some sort of murder going on.
Any of these ones where the person has become obsessed with somebody and then tries to relive their lives or take over their things. And I think that kind of suspense is definitely on the edge of your seat. What the hell is the one with Ben Affleck and the girl he was married to? Gone Girl, man, was that like that gets you the fact that she's nuts and ruined his life.
[00:52:16] Speaker A: It's an awesome book, but it's unbelievable adaptation, in my opinion. They made it.
[00:52:23] Speaker B: Liz read the book and really liked the book. And that's why we watched the movie. And it was fantastic. That one wrote me into there was another movie that she's like, I want to watch this. And I had no idea what I was getting into, why she was trying.
[00:52:34] Speaker A: To screw over Batman. I just don't understand that.
Like, why would you do that? It's the same thing. I didn't realize Batman was an actual serial killer, too. Like an American Psycho. American psycho. Batman kills people in his living room.
[00:52:46] Speaker B: That's why he becomes Batman for trying.
[00:52:48] Speaker A: To I thought Batman doesn't kill people, though.
[00:52:50] Speaker B: Well, that's why he's trying to make up for everything he'd done.
[00:52:52] Speaker A: Okay, so he's trying to make up for his past and wearing this suit where if you just shoot him in the mouth, he'll die.
So we're not going to go on a tangent about I still think we should do an episode one of these days about how to kill how stupid some of these things are and make fun of things that we love being like that same thing. Why wouldn't you just shoot him in the mouth? Why wouldn't you just kill Joker? Why do you continue?
[00:53:14] Speaker B: Just kill the joker. Just kill the Joker. Most of Batman's problems would be clear.
[00:53:18] Speaker A: Arrest him in a state with capital punishment.
Do it legally. Do it by the law, but just do it.
[00:53:26] Speaker B: Then you can go to bed at night. You can feel fine, but that's another.
[00:53:29] Speaker A: One that could be potentially here's the deal. A long Halloween real movie, like an actual real life movie in the horror genre, and making it, like, creepy and scary and all that stuff would be a dope. I love to see some of these ones I've always mentioned about the MCU, which is like, they've done a good job, in my opinion. This is obviously as a marvel zombie here, but it's the idea that they've done comedies and they've done serious dramas and they've done action movies. They do subgenres in their genre.
[00:53:55] Speaker B: They did their own old school black and white horror style with.
[00:54:01] Speaker A: I'd love to do, like, a movie with like, it's mephisto, but it's like a horror movie at the core. I mean, obviously, the new Doctor strange movie was pseudo horror because that was.
[00:54:12] Speaker B: Very sam Raimi made it horror closer.
[00:54:15] Speaker A: I'd love to see one where it's like, no, this is straight up horror movie. Like, this is an r rated horror movie. This is for adults. This is for Halloween.
[00:54:21] Speaker B: This is like what we're the batman was very close to horror. They got all of the creepy aspects of what Batman is and what Batman deals with. They still had all the action adventure stuff in it. But the riddler in that. Being a serial killer and, like, a really horrific serial killer was great. Like, really getting into the darkness that Gotham is.
[00:54:41] Speaker A: But I want a good that's, like, it doesn't.
Um I didn't actually like the movie. We actually listened to a review. We did what Adam and I did back. I wasn't a big fan of the movie, but that's neither here nor there. And it has nothing to do with DC because I do like The Dark Knight and all that stuff. So let's just leave it at that. But this movie is great. So I think it's funny about this movie.
77%. The critics gave this a 77% out of 100 on that's shocking amazing 60% audience score, which is not always the thing to surprise.
[00:55:11] Speaker B: The audience score is lower than I would have thought.
[00:55:14] Speaker A: 99% of the time, it is opposite. 99% of the time, it is the opposite.
6.2 on IMDb, which means it's more like 62% out of 100, if that makes any sense to people. So that's pretty good. It's a cult classic movie. It's available on it's free available too, right?
[00:55:29] Speaker B: It's available on yeah, it's on freebie.
[00:55:33] Speaker A: Is that what freebie?
[00:55:34] Speaker B: Freebie? Yeah, it's on freebie. I started it on there because I didn't want to go find my copy. And then I was annoyed with the commercial, so I went and found my copy.
I found it.
[00:55:44] Speaker A: Watch it on there. You can watch it on I think you can buy it on Amazon Prime Video, too. I think you can get it on there, too. But it's one of those ones. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if you went to a place like Boost Music here in New England or any newberry comics.
Any of these has dealerships that sell movie people who sell used. You might be able to go to freaking Goodwill and find it in a bin for $0.50.
[00:56:07] Speaker B: Get your VCR out, get your VHS copy and do it right.
[00:56:11] Speaker A: I feel like we should watch something. Like I feel like if we ever rewatch the 1990s like TMNT movies, we feel like we should force ourselves to sit there and watch it on, like, a CRT old tube TV.
[00:56:21] Speaker B: I mean, those movies look like they look better. Although turtles TMNT one didn't age badly. TMNT Two wasn't really good when it came out and it certainly did not age well. But the first Turtle movie, I feel like still did. Yeah. Secret of the Ooze was but it was great.
[00:56:41] Speaker A: Here's your thing. I am going to give it two stars, and that's mainly because you can go higher.
[00:56:52] Speaker B: I'm not going to say I'd go three on this.
[00:56:55] Speaker A: Okay?
[00:56:56] Speaker B: It's fun. Like, it's a fun movie if you want. It is for enjoyment. Goofy, stupid fun. It is. It hits its marks. It is exactly what it's supposed to be. It's advertised properly as a just goofy movie. And it's fun and goofy.
[00:57:12] Speaker A: They sell a trying to take itself seriously.
[00:57:15] Speaker B: If this was supposed to be a jump, scare, serious horror movie, it would be a total flop. But it's not.
[00:57:23] Speaker A: Did you know there's a funko pop for these.
[00:57:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:57:26] Speaker A: That's crazy.
[00:57:27] Speaker B: I actually was going to start collecting the Funko pops for these.
[00:57:30] Speaker A: Come on.
[00:57:30] Speaker B: And decide that was a bad, bad rabbit hole to go down.
[00:57:34] Speaker A: Okay. I'm trying to find my movie. I forgot to get my I almost.
[00:57:38] Speaker B: Think there's like some high quality action figures or statues of them too. Of the clowns.
[00:57:45] Speaker A: Yes, I think there is too big reviews in these. But I'm going to read headlines. So we got skip this one. Someone said with one star.
[00:57:55] Speaker B: Loser.
[00:57:57] Speaker A: Here you go. One star. Well, I guess it's a cult falling because this stinks. The movie is really bad. I guess try if you want, but to laugh. But how bad it is is a waste of time. Profoundly awful.
[00:58:10] Speaker B: I mean, maybe I love it because I saw it as a kid. Yes, maybe that's it. Maybe I've got my childhood nostalgia on. I can't.
[00:58:18] Speaker A: And the one thing I'm going to pull into this conversation here is the bad thing about review is on Amazon is that it's got a four point something percent. Because it's like also reviewing the actual quality of a movie being sent to you, not just watching the movie or like the streaming quality, not the actual quality.
[00:58:36] Speaker B: One star. USPS. Lost it.
[00:58:38] Speaker A: Yeah, one star but also five stars. I got my package. I loved it. And I'm just doing a review about like you're not reviewing the actual movie itself.
[00:58:46] Speaker B: Actually the review of the movie.
[00:58:48] Speaker A: The benefit of books on Amazon is if you go to type in clown on the Cornfield, there's a rating which is like four and a half stars. And then there's the goodreads one, which is their side company that they own that you can rate books.
[00:59:01] Speaker B: Right. That's where you at.
[00:59:02] Speaker A: So that's the one you want to look.
Honestly, in the future, what I should do is look up Letterbox because Letterbox has reviews from customers reviewing the actual movie, not the reviews. And there are probably some good ones on there. I just have always, like I followed a Twitter account once called, like, Amazon Reviews. And it was all these stupid things that were like saying stupid things about movies that I don't know. What was it? Bowling for Colin Pine. You know the movie Bowling for Colin Pine?
[00:59:26] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:59:27] Speaker A: There was no bowling in this movie at all. And it was just like that's kind of funny because it's but it's not.
[00:59:32] Speaker B: What it is, folks.
[00:59:33] Speaker A: Okay, so we got two and two stars. Three stars, which puts it out at two and a half stars. We'll leave it at that. That's good. It's watchable definitely one of those movies that some of the other movies you watch will be like, just don't even watch them. This is one that I do think.
[00:59:46] Speaker B: You should we've reviewed so far.
[00:59:48] Speaker A: Yes. It's one of those ones that is going to be up there for that for sure.
[00:59:52] Speaker B: Of all the new stuff I've been reviewing with you, this would be the best one up there. Yes.
[00:59:58] Speaker A: We got two minutes to finish this up. Not really. I just want to finish this up. So that's a great review. Awesome. All the other Horror Week content is
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[01:00:35] Speaker B: From outer space and about random other horror movie topics.
[01:00:38] Speaker A: Galactic Comics and collectibles and case and tights podcast, or casentites.com I should say, are putting out in June Eigth of 2024, a one day only comic book throwback show in Brewer, Maine, for those people who are local to the area or live in New England northeast. If you want to fly in from California, I was going to say you want here's the deal. Okay, Paul. We haven't really set a full on ticket price here, but I will guarantee you, you email
[email protected] or
[email protected] Improve, that you are flying here from California and we'll let you in for free.
Yeah, I think that's from California.
[01:01:19] Speaker B: You get a free ticket, send us an email. Yes, we'll do that. We'll take care of you on that.
No, I am stoked. Galacticon 2024.
[01:01:29] Speaker A: Yes, I ran into Bobby at Bombaloos Music yesterday, and he's in Galactic Comics. So this is Galacticon.
[01:01:37] Speaker B: We've been working we're three vendors up already, and we haven't officially announced it.
[01:01:41] Speaker A: We're three a year into the been planning this basically. We've been shooting the shit about it.
[01:01:46] Speaker B: A year ago, bouncing it off and.
[01:01:48] Speaker A: Then kind of like dropped off a little bit. And then we came back into it about a month or two ago where we were like, okay, we really got to get this thing going. And we've had some help from some people. We have a committee that we're starting. Our budy Lance has been very helpful as well. But we're putting this convention on. I want to call it convention a show on. It's a comic book event. It's a comic book throwback show, old throwback comic show. Anybody who's been a comic book fan for a number of years pre big pop culture comic book conventions. There was these comic shows, these one day shows that happened at the Elks Lodge. And all these you just walked in there, you came in there, you bought your comics, you found your gems, you found your missing keys, you found your missing collections or runs that you need. And this is what we're hoping to put on. There's nothing wrong with pop culture conventions nowadays. There's nothing wrong with them. I love them. I tell you right now, I have a stack of movies signed from people that are in movies that I would love because growing up. But there's also a place nowadays, even something like San Diego, which was the original big comic book convention, used to be mostly comics. It is now mostly places where people debut trailers and things like trailers don't even have to do with comic book movies anymore. I think Indiana Jones had a movie there. It's like that's not even doing a there's one of those things. So not that there's anything wrong with those things at all. I love them. They're great. There's a place for them. There's obviously people going to these things. We just know there's a percentage of people out there that want to go shop for comics and especially in places like Bangor, Maine for Remain, where we're going to have this, that there's you and one or two other places to buy comics within a half an hour driving radius. To us, that just gives an opportunity for people to bring their comics to one location. People buy an inexpensive ticket to go in there and just shop for comics from a bunch of different places.
[01:03:33] Speaker B: Basically, we're asking you as the attendee to help cover the cost of the building for us to do this in so that we can get this on for everybody.
I am excited. I'm excited to see the reach out to vendors and get some people that are further away so that if you're local here and you already come to my shop and you already go over to Bobby and you visit the local LCS here. Get you an LCS from far away. Get you one that comes up that's a couple of hours or so out so that you have another selection of.
[01:04:08] Speaker A: Books to look through or someone who sells only online and you don't follow them online. So maybe you could bring them in and come in, buy some slack. So the hope is to have modern comics. So you'll have your comics books that just came out recently that may be hot or missing some items. We'll have dollar bin comics, we'll have vintage comics, we'll have slabbed comics, graded comics, signed comics, graphic novels, trades, all that stuff will be available from multiple different vendors. We'll have a limited number of toys and pops for those people who are into that stuff. We are not inviting and not having into the comic book shops in the show. People that don't sell these things in a comic book store, meaning that you can't find it in a comic book store, it will not likely be there outside of the possibility of having a few local authors potentially coming, depending on space. Obviously some of those can't buy those at bookstores, but they're creators and I feel like they're going to come in addition to all this. Paul we're also having the hope that we'll have a number, I'm not going to put a number out there right now, but a number of comic book creators, those people who may write comics, draw comics, letter comics, color comics, or edit comics will be coming as well. Some from local so some people may have seen them at local conventions here or their places here in the greater Bangor area and hopefully some from all over the country as well. And as we grow this to multiple years of this convention, maybe from all over the world, we don't know. But the idea is that if you create comics and you want to sell your stuff here, you can come hopefully meet, buy your books, meet some of your favorite creators, get them signed, maybe take a selfie with them, whatever you want.
[01:05:38] Speaker B: Yeah, this would be like I'm hoping this is the place that you get that opportunity to meet these comic creators. You get to chat with them a little bit. You don't get ushered along because the lines are too long and too busy.
And if you spend the day okay, you got an autograph from your creator you wanted to meet and you made a loop and maybe they were free and you got a chance to speak them a little bit about your favorite creation of theirs.
Because I know I did fan expo in Boston and the Artist Alley there was great. But I never ever got to a couple of the creators because their lines were just so long. I couldn't go. I did have a few great conversations here and there in the morning with some creators with like Jay Lee. I got to chat with him for quite a there was, there was so many people that you didn't get that opportunity. There were comic sellers that I didn't really get to look at because their booth was set up in such a high traffic area that I couldn't get into it to take a look at stuff. So this is your old school show that you get to come and dig through long boxes and short boxes and look for those books you want and talk to vendors and make connections and I'm excited. I can't wait.
[01:06:47] Speaker A: Can't wait either. It's going be to so much fun. And it's possible. Basically it's going to be simple. You buy a cheap inexpensive ticket. The ticket will basically just get you in the building. So it allows us to pay for the building, fly some of these people in that we have to fly in, so on and so forth. You'll have vendor tables there so you can shop for your comics. You can meet your creators like we mentioned before, get find like I said, if you want to and they're fan of them enough, I'm sure they'll take a selfie with you so you can have that opportunity as well. And hoping maybe one or two panels in there to talk about comics themselves, not about what movie they're in.
Here again, I want to preface this. Nothing wrong with comic book pop culture conventions that are out there. Your San Diego's, your New York's.
[01:07:23] Speaker B: It's your jam. It's your jam.
[01:07:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:07:25] Speaker B: Hell yeah. However, that's your thing. It's great.
[01:07:27] Speaker A: I'd like to start paying some respect and some honor to the people who created the things they're making these mass multimillion dollar movies from. And so that's my biggest thing, too. When you go and you meet Robert Downey, jr. Awesome. Love him, honestly. Perfect casting for Iron Man. But what about the people who draw Iron Man? What about the people know some of these independent know Empty Man by Cullen Byn was a major motion picture. What about Cullen Byn potentially coming? That would be fun to have him be there and the guy who actually created it, not the people who acted as the person in the movie. And that's my biggest thing.
[01:07:57] Speaker B: I mean, Ed Brubaker didn't get anything back for creating the Winter Soldier when the Winter Soldier is now a major part of the MCU.
[01:08:04] Speaker A: Everyone knows you pay $50, $100 to get a picture with Stefan Stan. Again, nothing against that. He hasn't right to do that. I'm just saying it's nice to have.
[01:08:14] Speaker B: Someone created this character for you. Yes.
[01:08:16] Speaker A: And drew it and wrote it and so on and so forth. That's our hope. And I'm hoping to get a couple of letters in the forgotten people in the comic book industry, in my opinion, is some of the letterers and maybe potential editor of a comic book or so on and so forth. So it's going to be fun. It's a one day event, like a ten to six single day event here in Brewer, Maine. So if you live in the New England area, it's just quick jaunt up here for one day to do this.
[01:08:36] Speaker B: It could drive up 95, baby.
[01:08:38] Speaker A: Here you go. Right. Commercial for us now so it'll be funny. So you can updates a Galacticon One Comicshow.com is where you can find right now, we just have a flyer up there for the event. So you can kind of like put it on your calendar, see the date, but that's where you'll find new updates. You can also follow us on social media. So just type in Galacticon comic show on all your social medias. They should be activated now so you can actually look at those and so on and so forth and get them out there and get some more information on there. But, yeah, we're excited.
[01:09:04] Speaker B: Galactic Comics, I'm willing to bet you you'll find links on Keepsandites and on Galacticomicscollectibles.com and on our social media pages to find all this stuff. And I want to update, too. We're going to make sure that we get shout outs for vendors. We have shoutouts for the creators that are coming so that everybody that's coming to this, you can get a nice.
[01:09:23] Speaker A: There'll be something out there that's telling you what's going to be coming to this thing. So you're going to know what to expect. And if it's not your thing, great. Awesome. Go to other ones that are local areas and so on and so forth. Check out other conventions. It's great. But if this is your thing, hopefully we'll have a nice little niche market here to do this for. And again, Paul and I know there's no money in this. This is not for us to actually profit off. We're probably going to end up losing money on this.
[01:09:45] Speaker B: But that's if we don't lose money, it's a win. That's our goal.
[01:09:48] Speaker A: We didn't start a podcast to talk about comics and start a comic book shop to make a bunch of money. You ever know that?
[01:09:54] Speaker B: No.
[01:09:56] Speaker A: If anybody knows that I did not.
[01:09:58] Speaker B: Walk away from a district manager position in a multibillion dollar corporation to open a comic store to get rich.
[01:10:04] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:10:05] Speaker B: According to my oldest daughter, I did it for the fame.
[01:10:08] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:10:08] Speaker B: Which her definition of fame.
[01:10:11] Speaker A: But it's funny. So one last thing is the fact that I think that we went through this ebb and flow of the comic book world where we were forgotten people when we read books back in early 2000s, in the 1990s, because I was.
[01:10:24] Speaker B: Saying in the 90s, my before even.
[01:10:26] Speaker A: Before X Men and all that stuff, it was like and then the X Men kind of gave us a little bit of a bump, and people were like, oh, it's like in legitimize.com books. A little bit more. And then it dropped down a little bit more. But then when 2008 happened and Iron Man started coming in, the MCU and the Dark knight and all those movies started coming out, I think people were like, okay, their pop culture is now a cool thing to be. And I think it's great and I think we're still up there. But I feel like now what's happening is the source material is starting to wane and then people are focused mostly on the movie getting lost. And I think that there's a spot for this. And I think there's a lot of people out there who wish we've talked to people personally. And it's one of the reasons why we did this, both from creators and from fans that they love to keep on doing these big conventions. They make their money on these things. But it'd be nice to do this one day thing where they can come in and meet fans who are specifically there because there's comics there, not because they want to meet Joe Schmord.
[01:11:14] Speaker B: They don't have to pitch themselves to get you interested in it. The people that are there are already interested in it.
[01:11:19] Speaker A: Yes. They probably know you. They probably want to be there and so on and so forth. So june eigth 2024. Put that on your calendar. If you live in the new England area. And again, I'm throwing it out there. I'm going to say five people because I don't want to not have any tickets here. But five people. First five people randomly comes to Maine. First five people who want to come to this convention and actually fly in. Because it's also people who are like, I live locally, I just came on vacation. My family lives here. If you fly in, we'll give you a free ticket.
[01:11:45] Speaker B: Look at that.
[01:11:46] Speaker A: So check us out.
[email protected]. Or collective comics.
[01:11:51] Speaker B:
[email protected]@gmail.com or right on the website. I got a link right there, too.
[01:11:56] Speaker A: Awesome. Great. Watch cooler clowns. Watch horror movies right now. Happy Halloween.
[01:12:01] Speaker B: Love killer clowns.
[01:12:02] Speaker A: And we're getting into the Christmas season here pretty soon, too, which is pretty cool.
[01:12:06] Speaker B: I was drinking peppermint mocha coffee my wife made this morning because she's already in the Christmas mood.
[01:12:10] Speaker A: We haven't even got peppermint this morning. Does that make sense? Because I was taking my fish oil, and they use peppermint extract in there to help your burps not taste like fish. So every time I burp now, it tastes like I eat a Thin Mint.
[01:12:19] Speaker B: You know what? I'll take that over the fish day. Yeah, 100%.
[01:12:23] Speaker A: Unless things are like the size of freaking horse pills.
[01:12:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I got those, too.
Your 40s, folks, I'm not even in my 40s yet.
[01:12:31] Speaker A: Screw you. I'm basically there my body of a 40 year old now, right? Yeah, exactly.
So check that out. Killer clowns from outer space. Two and a half stars, round or average between the two of us. Looking forward to that. Next we have Batman Returns for I cannot wait.
[01:12:52] Speaker B: I've got to go through this. This is another one I'll have to watch and try to really look at the movie and not just watch it. From the fact that I was decked out in Batman Return. Stuff from head toe as a kid.
[01:13:02] Speaker A: In the then in January of 2024 comes Generation X.
[01:13:09] Speaker B: God.
[01:13:10] Speaker A: Thanks, Paul.
Sweet. Awesome. I really appreciate you coming on, Paul, and doing this. Galactic comicsandcollectibles.com, social media, obviously find them on social media and visit them. If you were in Bangor, Maine, or the area 547 Hammond Street in Bangor, Maine. As always, Paul's, gracious enough to come on here and deal with my shit. I appreciate that. And again, watch some of these movies tapestites.com. Horror Week is where you can find all the information about our Horror Week. And then obviously every Wednesday we release new podcast episodes. So check all those out. I believe next week's episode features Mike Kirsten, who was the artist on The Forge and one of our favorites and one you should read this Halloween season.
[01:13:52] Speaker B: Is oh, God, you must read no better.
[01:13:54] Speaker A: So. Thanks, Paul.
[01:13:55] Speaker B: Thanks, Justin.
