Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capentites.com. I'm your host, Justin. Soderberg this episode we welcome one of my favorite comic book artists of all time, the artist of one of my favorite comic book series of all time, nail Biter. We welcome artist Mike Henderson to the program. Mike is a comic book illustrator, like I mentioned, he's the co creator, cover artist and artist for the series Nailbiter, as well as Nailbiter Returns over at Image Comics. Along with his co creator Joshua Williamson, henderson has also illustrated comics for Dead Man Logan, Daredevil and Deadpool over at Marvel, as well as others over at DC Comics and IDW Publishing. Henderson recently released his co created book along with Eric Trotman and Greg Rucka, the forged over at Image Comics. The first volume was collected into a trade paperback that just released on September 13, 2023 is in bookstores everywhere. Nail Biter also released in a compendium volume one over at Image Comics, at bookstores everywhere. So grab that as well. Mike came here to talk the forged nail biter comics in general and so much more. Please rate review, subscribe all those things over at Apple podcasts spotify and everywhere. Excuse me. You find your podcasts but also like follow all that stuff over on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Blue Sky. This is Mike Henderson, comic book illustrator, co creator of Nail Biter and the forged at Image Comics. Enjoy, everyone.
Welcome to the podcast. Mike. How are you?
[00:01:36] Speaker B: Thanks so much. I'm doing well. I'm doing well. How about you?
[00:01:39] Speaker A: That's good. I'm good. Where in the area are you located? East. West. And where are you?
[00:01:47] Speaker B: Temporary transplant to Florida. Okay. We just moved from Portland, Oregon, so, yeah, we're spending some time down here with family.
[00:01:55] Speaker A: So you're now on the east coast, which is east coast. Florida technically the east coast.
Awesome. Yeah. So we're here chat some know, obviously illustrator here. Do you have a comic book origin story, how you got into reading comics in the first place and how that transitioned into being an artist?
[00:02:14] Speaker B: Oh, man. Well, I was always drawing.
I was doing that as soon as I could pencil like an old collection of Superman strips. I remember that was sort of my first exposure, but I was big into baseball cards and stuff in grade school and there was like a little comic section in the baseball card store that they used to have and then wandered over to that section and Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer and stuff like that. And I was hooked.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: Yeah. Now, obviously you've done some stuff for big two comics and stuff like that, but right now you just released the forge. First volume came out and stuff. Do you have a preference between doing creator own versus Big Two stuff or is it just whatever is in the mood right now?
[00:03:02] Speaker B: Right then I really enjoy sort of moving back and forth because there's different challenges to each. I think when you're working creator own books, you deal with the entire team. And typically when you're a Marvel DC, we're just sort of kind of in our own little world a lot of the time. We get our script and we collaborate with writer and colorist a little bit, but it's a little more involved. You're involved with every step of step of the process, which can be a little tiring sometimes. There's lot more energy that goes into it. So I really enjoy just flipping back and forth.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: I can see that. I mean, one of those things as a younger artist, you probably like, I want to get to that point where I'm writing or sorry, drawing the big two comic books. But in the same sense, once you make it there, you're like, oh, I kind of want to do something on my own to not just have to worry about a certain continuity or certain rules.
[00:04:07] Speaker B: Yeah. And then there's the flip side of that, is that you're thinking about the rules of the universe rather than just making up your own things. And I have the same I went to the cubic school years and years ago, and everybody there is gunning to work. It's big too.
But I came DC early on. But obviously Nail Biter was my first big thing, and that was all creator owned. And you just learned so much from doing that.
[00:04:43] Speaker A: How did getting into Nail Bite, how did the connection with you and Joshua Williams? And I will say right now, Mike, Nail Biter is one of my favorite comic books of all time. So there's that aspect of it. So if you see me gushing over here a little bit, it's probably because I like that book so much. But how did that connection go? How did you and Josh hooked up to make something like Nail Biter image?
[00:05:03] Speaker B: We had done this little story of masks and mobster first.
We had sort of connected through mutual friends, I think. We were posting on I posted some art on a forum or something and on Twitter, and we sort of met through that. And we did this mask and mobster story first, and then he yeah, I was all in.
[00:05:30] Speaker A: That's awesome. We read for my book club at my local comic book shop. We read or I reread Nail Biter volume one for the comic book club. And there was this discussion back and forth on the artwork style in it. And one person was like, they kind of wished it was more realistic looking. And I said to myself, I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, like, I don't know, like, libra mehu how realistic some of Lee's artwork can be. Was it Matthia over at who just read the comic book that came out? They're like, super realism or like Sisman Krasanski has, like, the super realism to him. I'd almost feel like I'd puke while reading it. If it was that realistic. That's why I feel like your artwork fits it so perfectly. It's like a mixture of.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: Nail biter needed.
First of all, nail Biter needs humor because it's just so all the gore and the murder and everything, none of that sticks if there's not a joke after each brutality, if you will.
And it's so hyperviolent in some places that if it's not stylistic, it would get pretty dreary, I think, pretty fast. I don't think anybody would have made it through 30 issues of that if we had done it. I certainly wouldn't have. No.
[00:06:51] Speaker A: I can imagine being in the trenches, drawing and illustrating these people on these things.
The art style you used on that. And your art style worked perfectly with it, in my opinion, because, again, it softened the blow a little bit with both Joshua's writing and your illustration in there. It just worked perfectly, in my opinion. And that's one of those funny things that I was like, oh, I really love Nail Bite, and I wanted to really love it, and they all loved it. It was great. But it was one person was like, oh, it needs to be more realistic. I'm like, I don't know, man.
[00:07:18] Speaker B: I've never heard anybody say that. That's funny.
[00:07:21] Speaker A: We were all, like, thrown back.
[00:07:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay.
[00:07:26] Speaker A: Like I said, nail bite is just one of those things.
I love horror that could be real, less supernatural. But there's a mixture of having both in it and then having this thing. And I want to give too much away for those people who haven't read Nail Biter yet, but at least you should, because it's been out for a little while. Perfect segue. Because you can buy it in the cabendium right now.
[00:07:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is just out. Perfect. Just in time for Halloween.
[00:07:51] Speaker A: Yes, exactly right.
[00:07:52] Speaker B: But I don't think I'm breaking any news. But we will be back to finish it probably sometime in the next couple of years.
[00:07:57] Speaker A: I think I saw a tweet out there a little while ago, and I got really excited because I sent my LCS owner and be like, make sure you get in on this when it comes.
But, yeah, it's a book. And luckily for him, as an LCS owner, he was very pumped that so many people liked it because then they can buy volume two and volume three.
Yes. And then The Compendium also has the hack slash crossover thing, too, which is pretty cool.
[00:08:25] Speaker B: The regular the Compendium has that one in there. You're right.
[00:08:28] Speaker A: Yeah. But it's an excellent series, and that's obviously a highlight to talk to you about Nail Biter, because, again, I can't get enough nail biter in my brain here. I read it at least once a year now, and I love the series. I mean, obviously, I love your artwork, but also Josh was writing, and it's absolutely outstanding, as you know. Let's give credit where credits do.
[00:08:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:48] Speaker A: Of so you just released the Forge first volume just dropped in September, or the trade for the first volume dropped in September. You had issue six or five issues, say, come out in October. Issue six coming here in November. What's your elevator pitch for Forge? What we usually tell people what the book is about when you tell them.
[00:09:09] Speaker B: So it's our sort of love letter to Conan and Heavy Metal, and it's dripping off the page. Our influences on this. We're not hiding anything here. We're not trying to reinvent the wheel. This is our love letter to Conan and Grice, Burrows and Warhammer Forty K and Gundam and all these things that we love. Starship Troopers, there's a lot of that in there, and it's essentially the core.
There's a team of genetically engineered space Marines, female space Marines who are bred to operate these Mech suits, and they are essentially the Empress's.
So if there's a planet in the empire that needs subjugating, she sends these five nuclear weapons to go pacify an entire planet if necessary.
And intergalactic travel is possible because of tasks through called T space.
And what they're realizing now is that they've been going through T Space into somebody's backyard and dumping nuclear waste there, and these aliens are not happy about it.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: That's an excellent way to describe it because I wrote on our review on the website Casentice.com that we were there for the story of the forged, and it's wonderful. We're really there for your artwork. And I love how Greg retweeted that out, being like, yeah, that's us, too. We're here for that, too.
But no, it almost has, like, a cinematic experience. And then I think, like you mentioned with the love letter to those things you mentioned earlier, I can understand where there's some of that in there because there is such a connection that people sometimes don't know between comics and movies in the sense that it's a visual medium yeah.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: With a magazine format was to bring that scope to it because we were all Heavy Metal fans and a lot of the humanoids does the oversized editions of their books as well.
When we were first talking about doing it, I just walked into the comic store. I'm like, nobody else is doing this.
We want to do something nobody is doing.
So that's where the magazine format came. And as soon as I was digging into the first I can't imagine it's any other way because the only way I have the scope and the room to do know, wide ranging thing we're shooting for.
[00:11:56] Speaker A: I love how you said that, because we had Matt Kent on as well, and he was talking about how subgenre that just dropped recently over at Dark Horse also is in that magazine style format, too. And it was the same thing. He's, like, talking about how it's different than what you see on the shelf nowadays. Obviously, if everybody does it, then it becomes not different anymore.
[00:12:15] Speaker B: But sure, we snuck in there early, I think.
[00:12:18] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. You get the first.
[00:12:19] Speaker B: I know retailers do not because they have a hard time shelving it, but hopefully its quality will bear out and they'll see the value of stocking.
[00:12:30] Speaker A: It for collectors and people who like to keep their stuff pristine too. My LCS had trouble getting magazine bags and boards for a little while there. And so that was a big thing where it was like, oh, what do I do with these now? That they're like, I don't have any boards for.
[00:12:47] Speaker B: That format. Long boxes pop up. They're on sale pretty much everywhere. It's just promising.
[00:12:52] Speaker A: I mean, distillery. All their new series are coming out in that pulp magazine style as well. So Gone just dropped this past week as well. So, again, he had to have like, you got to get these in here. If all these comics are coming in this size, you got to make sure you have them.
[00:13:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I think you're going to see it more and more now.
[00:13:07] Speaker A: I like it.
It's better to be in that magazine style than I was just talking to my budy Ben Bishop, who illustrates for the Last Ronan and how they had did an obscure size, in a sense, to most people. Obviously, there was a reason behind it, but there was no bags and boards. We're making, like, custom bags and boards for this, which I'm surprised IDW didn't come out there and be like, let's make our own. But that's a whole nother story.
Will yes, hopefully someone will. I mean, I know Ben was making because he sends them out in his monthly whatever, and he was making some and sending them out to people with the books. So that was nice to have those. But when you bought them off the shelf, there was no bag of boards for.
So volume one of the forge is now on the shelf. Like I mentioned, in trade paperback format, five and six are hitting shelves. What are we expecting? Are we expecting more of the same? Not in a bad way, but more of the same from volume one and volume two. Are we going to get crazy here? What's going on? What's the preview for volume two here?
[00:14:06] Speaker B: So volume two is much more. It takes place almost entirely on the imperial throne world. And it's a lot of political intrigue and personal relationships in this one. Kind of building out this world a little bit and exploring these characters. I mean, in the first arc, they were just in the shit, right? Like, everything was just going wrong.
The planet was falling apart and shit loading.
But this is a much more sort of human level arc.
And I'm wrapping up.
I'm into arc three already, drawing arc three already, obviously.
And then we're back out into the wild and crazy world tea space.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: So we talked nail biter and we talked the forge here for a second.
One's more of a horror, obviously. Sci-fi horror. And then sci-fi. Is there one that you prefer to do more? Is it just nice to have a difference in something like that? Like, to change your genre a little bit there?
[00:15:07] Speaker B: I love them both.
I wasn't sure I was going to enjoy Sci-Fi as much as horror, but when Greg sort of pitched the idea to me over coffee one time, I was like, I wanted to do Sci-Fi next. I just wasn't sure what it was. And you said that it's going to be I definitely have more horror in me. Not just Nail Biter, but some other ideas I'm going to go back and do at some point.
Yeah, I like them equally.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: I think it's nice. And like I said, there is a difference. It's weird because you've put the books next to each other. It's like you can tell that it comes from your hands in a sense. But there is this uniqueness to them, your horror comic book versus a book like the Forage, it's a little bit different and it is your Big Twos and your stuff like that. It's also slightly different as well. But there is that nice. If you read Nail Biter back to back with the Forage that you would say, oh, they're the same artists, but they've definitely got a different style.
[00:16:01] Speaker B: Yeah, much different. And the forge is actually the first thing I've ever done digitally, okay. Because I knew how many effects and craziness all the craziness that was going to go into this. And my daughter had just been born. I'm like, I need more time, so I need to work faster. So I switched to digital for this, and they let me sort of stretch my legs a little bit and try some new things that I don't think I would have been able to do traditionally.
But I think, yeah, I still do all my Big Two stuff on paper.
Traditionally, it suits me a little better and probably do any other horror books, probably on paper because it's a little less clean. I think it just fits the style of the genre a little bit.
But yeah, the forge needed to be a little cleaner.
Digital, let me do that.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: A lot more people go on. It was this trend towards only digital to now a lot more pen and paper for multiple reasons. Obviously, you mentioned a little bit more grittier, a little dirtier, but also you have this original piece of artwork. You're not going to sell your iPad or your tablet to someone and be like, oh, I drew the Forage on this book. But is there that in there too? As an artist, do you like having those original pieces of do?
[00:17:20] Speaker B: I do. And like I said, I still do all my Marvel and DC stuff on paper. But there does come a time when you're like, I have thousand pages in my house. What am I going to do with them, right? And obviously we sell them. It's a nice little extra income stream, but you just wind up having just had an enormous closet full of pages. I mean, Nail Butter is 1100 pages long. It's just enormous.
But yeah, it is nice to just have everything on a tablet and just have it accessible at any time. It's pretty sweet.
[00:18:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just kind of funny because I illustrate beer cans, beer can labels for a brewery. And having those digitally is also a lot easier to finish the project, too. Like you finish it digitally, all that stuff. You can just give it to the printer instead of having to do an extra step as well. But I helped you clean out your closet before you moved because I have the murder editions two and three I bought off of you on your website because I saw the sale. I need to help you move.
I didn't do it for my own benefit, right? I didn't do it because I wanted those two additions. I did it to help you move. I was like, I want to help.
[00:18:34] Speaker B: Less stuff for me to move. Yeah, I appreciate that.
[00:18:37] Speaker A: It's awesome. And it's one of the coolest things I think I have on the shelf. And this is not just because you're on here. I mean, I have like the Snow Piercer collection and stuff like that, but the way that the blood on the spine works, those are beautiful additions.
[00:18:51] Speaker B: John did such an amazing job with that. I think it's some of his best work. I love looking at those on the shelf.
We can collect nobody at some point.
They're just not cheap to make.
[00:19:07] Speaker A: They're not cheap to buy.
[00:19:08] Speaker B: No. Now they're all out of print.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the big thing. It's like one of those things that I don't think I wish sometimes I see people online selling things on ebay and then someone's like, oh, I bought it off of ebay and I got this deal on it. And they're like, well over the price. Did you Google to see if the artists themselves are selling them? Because a lot of times you can buy them at what, a quote unquote face value on the artist's website and they're likely signed and all these other stuff. And someone's paying $300 for volume two.
[00:19:37] Speaker B: Hunt down the artist first. You're doing everybody a favor.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: Yes. It's just kind of funny. It's the same thing happened when was it charles and Ryan created 8 billion genies and you could buy 8 billion genies number one on ebay for like $100, but then you could go to Ryan's website and get it for $20 signed. I was just like, what are people just Google this, find their website, go to their artist directly. They make the money off awesome.
[00:19:59] Speaker B: With a sketch inside too, which is awesome.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: Nail Butter to me again. It's up there. We did a list for our Horror Week that comes out, and we did one of the best horror comic books of all time, in my opinion, and that's Nail Biter. And then you follow like I said, I'm a huge horror fan, but I'm not a huge Sci-Fi fan. But when I saw that you were part of this book, I was like, okay, I need to read this book.
And that's what's cool about it, because it gets someone that maybe I am now a Sci-Fi fan for a while. Even books that you're not attached to. And jumping genres like that kind of helps someone, whether they're into Wolverine or into horror or whatever.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:20:38] Speaker A: A wide variety of things. If you like your artwork, that lets you read a bunch of different genres, which is pretty cool.
[00:20:43] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the hope when you bounce around from creator Own to horror to Sci-Fi some people with you and introduce them to new things that they wouldn't necessarily otherwise read. I hear it all the time. I don't like horror, but I picked up Nail Biter on a whim.
That's about as horror as it gets. But I appreciate you giving it a try, sticking with it.
[00:21:11] Speaker A: Number one, it's like, how would you just pick that up and be like, I guess I'll read this.
[00:21:15] Speaker B: I know, right? That cover was I mean, yeah, we got away with a lot on that cover. We weren't going to use that cover, actually. I drew that first.
This is too much. So I did a secondary cover, and we're like, oh, we'll use this one. But we put that up on the Jumbo Drawn or whatever at the expo. And I'm like, I guess we're keeping this.
[00:21:44] Speaker A: Again, for those people who are diehard horror fans, this is something they're like, okay, this is amazing. Again, like you mentioned, you almost weren't able to use this. You don't see that on the shelf even today where maybe people have a little bit less or less stringent about this kind of stuff. I mean, this is like, even in 2023, you don't see a cover like that out there right now.
[00:22:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know if we're in sort of a more squeamish phase or not. You don't see that much gore on a cover these days.
Obviously, when we go back to Nail Butter, I'll try and break that trend if possible.
[00:22:19] Speaker A: I think you're coming up you're coming up on ten years. Is this May? That nail biter one drop may. Pretty crazy, right?
[00:22:25] Speaker B: Yeah, it is wild. It is wild.
[00:22:29] Speaker A: That's pretty crazy. And you went 25 issues of basically nail biter and then nail biter returns. Quick question while I want to jump in back. We don't have to go too much longer here, but was there a discussion between you and Joshua calling it returns instead of just calling it Nail biter 26?
[00:22:49] Speaker B: There was actually.
I can't remember the argument we were number because there was the hack flash. I guess that came about halfway through, but we hit nail by 30 and then we just stopped there.
Yeah, I think we did entertain the idea for a little bit. We thought new number one would sort of spark people to go back and pick up the original rather than saying, there's 29, 30 issues of this already. I don't want to go back.
[00:23:24] Speaker A: Yeah, that's pretty cool. I just didn't know. I guess it's always one of those questions nowadays on what people do if you do 31 or you do 31 and what people will do, what people won't do. But I guess anybody who was a nail biter fan back would take up nail biter returns, whether it said returns or said nail bitter 31.
[00:23:45] Speaker B: Yeah, nail bite returns sort of flew under the radar at least a year until because it dropped right at the height of COVID when the shipping shut down. And so the book was delayed a little bit, and we really flew under the radar because it was in that last reviews just before the shutdown, and then we had the comeback and all that a few months later.
But people did find it eventually and come back to it, which was nice.
[00:24:19] Speaker A: Which is good, which obviously, like I said, if people didn't obviously you know a little bit more about the back end of that stuff, but obviously if people didn't, you wouldn't be contemplating the idea of a nail Better Returns again.
Is that what it's going to be called? Is that the return is going to be called Nail Bite of Returns once More returns.
[00:24:33] Speaker B: Returns, returns. Again.
We do have a title forward already, but again, for anybody who hasn't read Nail by Returns yet, if I say the people give people time to catch.
[00:24:49] Speaker A: Up, it's one of those weird things that for our horror week, too. The guy from my LCS, Paul Eaton. We reviewed Killer Clowns from Outer Space, the movie, and it was kind of funny. We're talking about it. I'm like and if you haven't first of all, you wouldn't listen to an episode of a podcast that you were reviewing a comic book if you haven't seen it yet. So that's kind of weird. But the second thing I'm like, the movie came out 35 years ago. I think it's one of those things that there's no but I still like one of those things. Comic books within the past 15 years or so, I feel like it just came out in compendium. It's kind of hard to spoil it for someone because you still can get into it and read it right now.
[00:25:22] Speaker B: Yeah, comics is a little different animal. I mean, if you haven't seen a 30 year old movie, it's kind of on you. But it's just a lot of comics, and reading comics takes time. So I'm so far behind. Obviously, like I said, I have a three year old, so I don't read much.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: I have a two year old and I'm not sleeping. My two year old decided two weeks ago that he just didn't want to sleep. Like, it was perfect. He was the most perfect child sleeping. He'd go to bed at seven, wake up at six. It's great. About two weeks ago, he just stopped wanting to go into his room and sleep. We put him down, no problem. And then he'd stand up 5 seconds later and walk out to the living room, be like, I don't want to go to bed. And I'm like, what the hell? So now I haven't read anything in two weeks.
[00:26:02] Speaker B: Yeah, mine did the same. That's typically a phase, so hopefully it's the same for you.
[00:26:08] Speaker A: This too will pass and we're pregnant with our second. And I was thinking to myself, like, why did I do this? No, I didn't get all the phases out of me before I decided to have another child.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: No, you might as well get all that sleeplessness out of the way now.
[00:26:24] Speaker A: Out of the way? Yeah. I'm practicing now for March when the baby's due. So we can get no sleep then, right? Just get myself I hear it back in the game. I'm back at spring training. I'm just getting my arm ready for the game. No. So the forge is great. It's a great sci-fi series. Like I mentioned, the story is amazing by Greg Rucka and Eric Trotman. But I'm here for your artwork. I really am. There's certain people that I like to follow and I really appreciate what you do in the comic book industry. And I think, like I said, Nailbutter is going to go down for a lot of people as a great horror series. That is one of the greatest, I think, out there in horror comic books. So I'm glad you were part of that as well. I'm excited for that. You said you're working on, obviously, Nail butter returns again. Returns and other stuff. You're obviously working on more of the forged. Do you have other things on your radar that you are actually nothing that you can say, obviously, but you are working on more independent stuff?
[00:27:19] Speaker B: I am going to probably write and draw some of my own.
Like I said, I do like to move back and forth. I think when Ford is over after issue 15 that I will probably go back and do something at Marvel or DC for a bit and sort of work on my own things on the side.
So, yeah, I've got the next three or so years mapped out.
[00:27:46] Speaker A: That's awesome.
[00:27:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm still pretty good.
[00:27:50] Speaker A: I think it's an exciting world in both the independent comic book phase style and also the big two stuff. I think there's a bunch of cool stuff that are, know, percolating and going out there. So I'm excited to see where the comic book industry goes in the future. You were in Florida, you didn't. End up at New York Comic Con. Right?
[00:28:06] Speaker B: I didn't, no.
[00:28:08] Speaker A: Thank God. Right?
[00:28:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Apparently COVID was everywhere.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: I had my own convention. We had our convention in Bangor, Maine, where I live, and that was the 13th to the 15th that same weekend. And after we were done, I'm, like, scrolling through Twitter and seeing this. I'm like, thank God I didn't have nothing to do when I could go to New York.
[00:28:28] Speaker B: Yeah, I can't imagine doing a con that big and not wearing a mask the entire time.
[00:28:33] Speaker A: That's the other thing. Yeah, exactly. It was kind of funny. I did think I saw someone tweet out, I didn't get COVID. I must have not been at all the cool parties.
I was like, that's probably right. They probably didn't even get it on the floor. It's probably the after parties, the dinners you went to and things.
[00:28:48] Speaker B: I mean, it's ripe on the show floor. I know. I did Rose City last month.
A lot of folks on the floor got it not near as bad as New York City, honestly. But behind my table, maybe I'll let the mask slip every once in a while, but if I'm getting up and walking around that floor, no way.
[00:29:08] Speaker A: It's funny itself was just bad enough.
There's a bunch of artists and creators that I've said have just said, I'm just going to wear it from now on at conventions. Maybe I'll take it off here and there, but I just don't like it used to be like, you go to a convention, maybe you'll be out of work for the next week because you got just sick in general. Forget COVID.
[00:29:26] Speaker B: I think I got concrud, like every probably three out of every five shows. Two, three times out of every five shows.
Pre COVID and everything. And yeah, it'll knock you out for three or four days afterwards, at least.
[00:29:42] Speaker A: When you're already crunching deadlines.
[00:29:43] Speaker B: But yeah, we don't know sick days in this business. We just keep going.
[00:29:47] Speaker A: Well, it's funny because you took time off of working itself to go to a convention. Then you have to take three days extra off on top of it because you don't want to do that. But yeah, someone tweeted out, like the entire comic book industry is, like, on vacation for the next week because everybody had COVID. I was like, yeah, it sounds like about right now.
[00:30:03] Speaker B: COVID is no joke. I didn't have one of the early I think we got omacron, I think, which compared to the other one, it's not nearly as bad. And it still sucked.
[00:30:14] Speaker A: Yeah. I got mine in August of 2022 last year. August of last year in New York City.
Yeah, it wasn't for a convention. It was just in New York City. We were just in New York City. Yeah, exactly. But yeah. So, like I said, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to come on and chat comics and such on here. We're big fans of your work. Keep it up. Keep it going. We're looking forward to more forged as well as nail biter and anything else you're doing, so I really appreciate it. You have a website, obviously. I bought something on there.
[00:30:48] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a big cartel. Yeah, she's Mike S. Henderson. Yep.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: Okay. And then you have your artwork for sale, too, on a seller comicarthouse.com. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, I saw that.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: Yep. You can contact Bob Bob there. He's got all my stuff.
[00:31:03] Speaker A: That's awesome. That's so great. So, yeah, check it out. And then, yeah, again, we're looking forward to more. We're so excited. Potentially. Like I said, I've always been a nail bitter fan. So when you tease that out, you're like, oh, we're working on some more. I was like, oh, my gosh, I can't wait. Hurry up.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: Yep, there will be more. We're already kicking around the ideas for it and figuring out where it's going to go.
[00:31:21] Speaker A: Joshua's not too busy.
[00:31:24] Speaker B: Oh, he is, but we do it anyway.
Yeah, we got to keep doing this.
[00:31:30] Speaker A: Exactly. So, again, thank you so much for taking the time out of your day to chat with us here. I really appreciate it.
[00:31:35] Speaker B: Mike, that was my pleasure. Thank you.
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