Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to another episode of the Capes and Tights podcast right here on capesandites.com. I'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. Paul Eaton, comic book retailer and owner of Galactic Comics and collectibles, returns to the Capes and Tights podcast once more to talk. A comic book movie. This episode features the 1978 Dr. Strange film, a little known film that was a made for tv movie that was a back tour style, a pilot that was spearheaded by Stan Lee in 1978 to try to make a tv show on CBS. So this movie is available only that I've seen on the Internet and random websites and eBay, available on dvd and Blu ray. So check that out on there. Not available streaming and I don't think it's available on YouTube. But this is the 1978 Dr. Strange movie with Paul Eaton of Galactic comics and collectibles talking about the movie before you go, listen, though, follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Blue sky, and Twitter, as well as rate review, subscribe, all those things over at Apple and Spotify and all your major podcasting platforms, as well as you can also view the video over on our YouTube channel as well as capesandites.com. So this is Paul Eaton talking. Dr. Strange from 1978. Enjoy, everyone.
Welcome to the sanctum St. Torium. Is that what it's called? I don't know. Yeah. Now I'm second guessing myself. I'm like, we're so cool.
[00:01:26] Speaker B: We're in the inner sanctum.
[00:01:28] Speaker A: Welcome back, Paul.
We're getting in a regular groove here. Now. This is going to be good.
[00:01:34] Speaker B: Yeah, I like it.
We have plans.
[00:01:38] Speaker A: Not that we're watching award winning movies here, but I will say right off the bat, I'm going to say I like this movie. I will say I like this movie.
[00:01:49] Speaker B: So I've been trying to figure out how to review this movie. I don't even know what the hell to say about it.
[00:01:56] Speaker A: So we're here to talk about Dr. Strange from 1978, which, as you know, we've had this conversation internally is you didn't know? And I didn't know this even existed. No, I was doing something for the website where I was like, I think I googled comic book adapted movies or something along those lines. And there's a Wikipedia page from Marvel and there's Wikipedia page for DC, and then it's like all the imprints and in the non big two comic book movies and things like that. And this came up on it. And I was like, Dr. Strange in 1978? And I would have second guessed myself, Paul, if it was just like, googled it and found it. Then I would have been like, okay, someone just called. Someone used the name. And it's not an actual marvel.
[00:02:37] Speaker B: This is like a romance movie about a doctor or something or whatever, or a bad.
[00:02:42] Speaker A: But because it was on this list, I was like, okay, I'm going to do some research. And it's legit. It's a doctor strange movie from 1978. It was released on September 6, 1978, on CBS. It was a tv movie, and doing some research on it, it was spearheaded by Stan Lee as another one of those backdoor pilot things that we've done with, like, Agents of SHiEld and even Generation X, which was like, let's make a feature length style double episode of a pilot show, and then make it a pilot and see if it does well. And if it does well, then after watching Generation X and then watching this, I'm like, both of these I would have watched in 1978, if they had a tv show series on this, I would have watched this show.
[00:03:24] Speaker B: It would have been good. As a child, I know that I watched reruns of the Incredible Hulk that was on at this time, and I guess that was one of the things they had. Incredible Hulk. They had amazing Spiderman, which Dan Lee said was just awful. I vaguely recall that. Spiderman.
I'd kind of like to go watch Hulk now and then watch Hulk. Comparative to this, this wasn't bad. It was entertaining. One of the things that I thought was great about this was I feel like they wrote the script around what they could plausibly do.
So the special effects obviously aren't good as 1978, but they aren't horrible, and they were well thought out. They didn't try to make stuff that wasn't going to really work.
[00:04:10] Speaker A: Correct.
[00:04:11] Speaker B: Like, most of it worked. The devil, that's like, the villain in it is pretty weird.
[00:04:16] Speaker A: It's like a Muppet.
It's a creaky muppet.
[00:04:22] Speaker B: Yeah, it's definitely like a Muppet or something, but it's way in the background, and it has these glowing eyes and there's no close ups of it.
The very few practical effects in it, they did a good job of not focusing on, so that I felt like it wasn't so bad.
There was the horseman that was riding in it. That was pretty well done. And there's another scene where apparently, like, a demon comes out from the fireplace and you only see it in a window. That looked really bad, but you don't see it, and you don't see it up close. So it's like all right, well, so that was one of my thoughts on this show, movie, whatever was they at least did a really good job with a character. That is very hard, I would think, to do, especially in this era of effects. They did a good job of not trying to overdo this.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: You're right. And part of me, when I went into it, I was like, how are they going to make this? And that's basically so hindsight 2020, Paul. Right. Hindsight is 2020. When you live, when we're in the life that we're in now, we see the things they can do now. I was just mentioning to Taylor last night, Nova had, was it Moana on or something like that. And I'm like, moana as a person, and the Maui as a person in these movies looks like an animated, obviously, like they're cartoonistic. They have this exaggerated features and so on and so forth. But when you look at the water in the background and some of the grass and stuff like that, I'm like, real. If you just took a still image of that, you'd be like, oh, that's real water. That's real. It's legit. And so the technology has come so far to be able to do that. It's fascinating. And then I think back, I'm like, why did they decide to make this movie in 1978 without the special effects? And I'm like, wait, in 1978, they didn't know the special effects were going to get this good. We didn't know. We don't know what it's going to look like 30, 40 years from now and so on and so forth. So they're like, might as well make it if we can. And the comic book relation to Stephen Strange and Dr. Strange is trippiness.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: Right?
[00:06:17] Speaker A: There's like this acid trip style to it. And so they did that with the funnel. There was like a funnel thing where he's like going like, okay, we're going.
[00:06:26] Speaker B: Through the astral plane. Yeah.
[00:06:28] Speaker A: And that's basically all his bad.
[00:06:30] Speaker B: Really.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: All his what you see in this, obviously, there's some mind stuff that you don't need visuals for. You just say the whole Luke Skywalker or whatever, Obi Wan Kenobi, that doesn't need special effects in that sense. They kind of avoided it in a way that was good. And when they needed to use it, they used it. And if you think about in the hour and a half or so of this movie, there's only maybe two times that it's not okay, it's all bad. There's two times that it's really bad. And other than that, it's like they just avoided it.
[00:07:06] Speaker B: They did a really good job writing around it.
So they had, like, the music, which occasionally was cheesy, but overall was all right, and they did a good job. I thought of using music and using this high pitched sound to show you that magic was being used. The villain there. So there's the woman that's also, I guess, a main villain. She's working for this demon.
[00:07:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
Morgan Lafay. Lafay is the main person, which is funny, actually mentioning that really quickly, before you go on your pause there for a second, is it seems like it's more about her than it is about.
It seems like it's a her movie. And that Steven Strange is like a secondary character, which is really, uh.
[00:07:51] Speaker B: And it was more about the ancient one, I thought, like, there's more of him and more of Morgan, and there isn't really all that much of Dr. Strange. Most of what you see of Dr. Strange is him as a doctor working in the hospital, which would make sense.
[00:08:04] Speaker A: If this is going to be a season, if it's going to be multiple seasons, you don't want to jump into everything at build.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: The plan was to build up from this. And that was one of the reviews I read about, was that they felt that it was more of watching a medical drama for the first hour before you ever really get to anything, because it's just Stephen hanging out in the hospital mostly.
But they use that eerie, high pitched sound every time that Morgan was using her power to manipulate people or creatures. And you could see her watching a cat, and then you see the cat run across, and then she lets go of it when she's like, oh, I can't use this. And she did the same thing with people, and they did a good job of stuff like that. So I felt like, for what they had for ability, they did a really good job of writing around it.
But, yeah, there wasn't really a lot of doctor strange in it to speak of.
[00:08:53] Speaker A: No, there wasn't. And so there's a complaint. Not a complaint, but like a thing. It's like, okay, so they had to use the 1970s, 1980s mustache. It was the weirdest thing. I'm like, you can't just put a goatee. He's a goatee guy. That's what he is. He's a goatee dude. And you have him wearing the porn stash, which is like, just the 1980s actors had were this porn stash. And so they had that, which is okay, but he didn't look bad. It's definitely not a bad casting for Dr. Strange in my opinion. Not really. They did change him from being a medical doctor to a psychiatrist. Right? There's that. But part of me goes, maybe it's a little bit cheaper to make him a psychiatrist because there's just people sitting in a room, whereas a medical doctor, you have to do surgeries and all this other stuff to it. And so there's that aspect of it.
But other than that, they did a pretty good job doing this. The funny thing is, right off the bat when they started playing the credits, first of all, one of my biggest pet peeves of movies that were made back in the day, I'm using hand quotation for anybody who's listening is doing preroll credits with music and stuff like that. The hour and a half movie is the first 15 minutes is just showing the credits with music and stuff like that in it. The newer movies where it's like show it while you're doing something, someone's doing something at the beginning of movie and the credits show up on the screen and in between scenes and so on and so forth. But it's like bong. And it starts playing the creepy music. I'm like, oh, they're jumping right into this right here. Here we go. That's eerie. Like sinister red text comes up and all that stuff.
But yeah, for 1978, I'm like, I'm thinking to myself, say it right now, it's better than Howard the duck turned out.
[00:10:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:37] Speaker A: Do you know what I mean?
[00:10:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Really? Howard the duck brings in the interdimensional demon at the end. That's definitely clay. And not even really good looking clay. It does not look good at all, honestly. The effects in a 1978 made for tv movie were better. And it was basic stuff like the guy's hand glows.
If you look at stuff from like Star wars, it's not really up to Star wars effects, but it's not far off from it.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: No.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: When you're considering that this was a tv movie and it said it had an ample budget, I don't know what.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: I don't know what ample is. But they spent enough, apparently.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: It's weird because there wasn't ever a release kind of like with Generation X and with Agent of ShiEld and Nick Fury. Those at least had some sort of limited release that the budget on this is actually not even like you can't just probably could find it somewhere somehow. But the ample budget part of it is they obviously mostly get I would.
[00:11:37] Speaker B: Say, based on what I read about them and their ample budget, is that they spent far more than they got in return. Probably they invested in it. And the investment shows it's not bad.
The writing is okay. It's not amazing. But you said definitely watchable.
[00:11:58] Speaker A: And that's the thing. That's the biggest thing to me. Did you notice when he's in his office towards the beginning and he's waiting for something, and he picks up a comic book? Yes, it's a Marvel comic book. Yeah.
[00:12:07] Speaker B: He walks in, he picks up a marvel.
[00:12:08] Speaker A: Wasn't it like, was it incredible Hulk.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: Maybe, or strange tales or something?
[00:12:13] Speaker A: It might have been strange tales. It's kind of cool. I thought that was an, what you'd see almost in nowadays movies compared to they didn't do that Easter egg ish kind of more stuff back in the 1970s that it was kind of cool to see that he picked up an action.
[00:12:27] Speaker B: He throws it back on the bookshelf. Yeah, I thought that was cool.
[00:12:31] Speaker A: Compared to other, I'm just looking, I didn't realize this until afterwards. I was like, oh, let me look up, like, top grossing movies of 1978 and so on and so forth. Greece was the number one movie in 1978. National Lampoons, Animal House, Superman. So, I mean, in comparison to Superman, obviously, Superman was much better than this movie. But if they would have released it in theaters, I think it would have at least done something. I mean, Superman did $134,000,000. I don't think it would have done $134,000,000.
[00:12:56] Speaker B: No. Well, I mean, Superman two is like mainstream known name Doctor Strange is not. Especially back then. Yeah, I feel like it was kind of a weird pick to do Dr. Strange.
[00:13:07] Speaker A: I'm trying to figure out, like, again.
[00:13:09] Speaker B: I don't remember the comics ever being that big back in the late 70s, early 80s.
[00:13:14] Speaker A: So it probably has something to do with the fact that he was available to do something with because of the fact that he was an available character that wasn't, what's it called? Option to someone else or sold to someone else or whatever. The other thing is what I mentioned about the whole, you can potentially do Dr. Strange's story without as much visual effects because he does a lot of magic and things like that.
And that's part of the reason why they said why it was hard to do Spiderman, because the only way they really can get him to look like he's climbing up the walls is to the whole flat. He's crawling on the floor, making look like he's actually climbing on walls. Superman flying. Honestly, in Superman one from 1978 isn't bad in my opinion. I do think that movie actually does a pretty good job showing him flying. He doesn't fly like you'd see him in what's going to come up in James Gun's movie. You're going to see him fly through buildings and things like that. It's basically, you know, Clark Kent's going to change into Superman and fly. And he's just, oh, yeah, here you go.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: Flying. Cool.
[00:14:11] Speaker A: And then he lands. But it looks like definitely a lot.
[00:14:14] Speaker B: Of green screen of him.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: Just like.
But at least he looks like he's flying to this point. So I think that's part of why they do Dr. Strange is the fact that he can do the same thing with Agent of SHIELD.
With Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD. It's a character you can do without doing. Yeah.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: I mean, trying to do Fantastic Four, we saw how that turned out.
[00:14:33] Speaker A: Yeah. On a scale of the superheroes that are out there that have special effects needed abilities, I think this would be in those characters of that. The lowest grossing movie of 1978 was called interiors. Wait, that's from UAE. The United States is american hot wax. Never heard of it. 11 million.
It would have made some money, I think. I don't think that.
[00:15:01] Speaker B: I'm sure people probably would have gone and seen it. People probably would have gone and seen it not knowing what it was for the sake of it. Just like they don't have. Maybe it's a Marvel superhero movie, but they're like, oh, we'll go see it.
The movies.
[00:15:14] Speaker A: 43,000,043 movies released in 1978 in theaters, according to the numbers.com. And the lowest one I know is Damien. Or at least just know of omen two. It's a sequel to Omen that was $24 million. The Lord of the Rings.
I think the animated one. Yeah.
Was 1978 as well as $27 million. But your top movies are Greece, national lampoons, Animal House, Superman, every witch weighted but loose jaws two, heaven can wait, hooper the deer Hunter. Halloween was number nine at $47 million.
[00:15:50] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[00:15:52] Speaker A: Up in smoke, Revenge of the Pang panther.
[00:15:57] Speaker B: Oh, dear Lord.
[00:15:58] Speaker A: House calls. Lord of the Rings. So it wasn't like a crazy 1970 isn't a movie. Out of any years that are around, that probably is a better. We would have been a top ten movie.
[00:16:09] Speaker B: It would have been on the list for sure.
[00:16:11] Speaker A: And again, this is like what had the best script, which had the best, the cheapest to make. Yada, yada, yada. Might have been on Stan Lee's like, I just want something from Marvel made into a tv show or a movie, right? Oh, you want Dr. Strange. Cool. We'll do Dr. Strange. And I feel like that's what happened. He's like, I will put anything on tv to get this ball rolling. And it probably was things like Dr. Strange, Generation X. Those ones were like, let's get something on tv and do something that's at least somewhat cheap. And that's what Dr. Strange probably fell into that category, in my opinion. I don't know for sure, but I'm not on an astral plane with Stan Lee to find out what happened.
[00:16:46] Speaker B: Did you see what I think it was? Stan Lee said one of the reasons he felt it flopped in the Nielsen rating and did not get syndicated by CBS is because it went opposite roots.
Roots was playing on ABC the same time this was playing.
[00:16:59] Speaker A: That's also finding excuses for why you're.
[00:17:01] Speaker B: Saying that was how it was done. You had the Nielsen rating of who's watching what, and that's what determines kind of what gets picked up and doesn't.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: I just closed out of my thing. But it's also like when you have a character, what a guy like Stan Lee is trying to protect his image, so he's like, what can I come up with for a reason why this didn't do well?
You got to have an excuse and got to say that this is what's going on. And that's probably what happened. More along the lines of than it actually had. I mean, again, it's a character that no one really, quote unquote, cares about. It's not a character that people are clamoring. I mean, when Iron man came out, though, in 2008, people weren't clamoring for an Iron man movie, right?
Tv movies were. Tv movies handled differently in 1978. I mean, I was negative eight at the time, so I don't know for sure. But in the 70s, were they like, when you see a movie made for tv nowadays, you're like, oh, it could be good, though, because you have movies that go strict streaming. You have movies that go direct to whatever. But is that the same as made for tv, though? I don't think so.
[00:18:03] Speaker B: In some respects, maybe it kind of is. I guess that's an interesting question, right? Because nowadays, if somebody gets direct to a streaming service, a Netflix or a hulu made for movie, you're like, oh, that could still be really good. And there's, like, cult following for it. It's almost like skipping the theater. Now, the theater doesn't matter as like, was that, or was it more of like, oh, this is going to be a downplayed for theater director dvd or.
[00:18:33] Speaker A: Director tv a lot of times to a lot of people, I think seems as like a lower thing, which it is, because obviously the budgets aren't there, the actors and actresses usually aren't there that you can get into feature film. But I think that nowadays, the only bad thing that happens when you see a movie go from being released or being talked about being released in the theaters and then only getting released on Amazon or Netflix or Hulu or whatever is that it feels like it's gone backwards because you were going to make these millions of dollars. Now you're not going to make anything more than just subscriptions. And that's what it. But if I see when Batgirl was going to come out just on HBO, I wasn't like, oh, this movie is going to suck. I was like, we're interested in seeing this because HBO is an avenue to release a movie nowadays, and they put the money behind these things to make them, which back then it was probably like $2 million to make this movie when Superman's budget was probably like $20 million or something like that.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: Right?
[00:19:22] Speaker A: I actually don't know it.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: I know this was another one. I thought, too, the sets that were supposed to be comic book were really pretty bad.
[00:19:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:35] Speaker B: Why on earth? The inside of the sanctum look the way it weird, unfinished stucco.
It was like walking into a cave, sort of like you see in the new Doctor Strange movies. And it looks like a crazy mansion. Old house, old mansion in New York City. And in this era, they're. No, no, let's make it look like you walk inside a cave, sort of. And everything was just super funky.
[00:20:05] Speaker A: I watched this in two parts, technically, I watched a little bit of it, and then I had got distracted and had to do something else and went back to watching this time between it and when I saw the two different times of it in this sanctum, is that, was it trying to imply that you walked through the house and you actually went somewhere? Like, was it trying to imply that the front door to Bleaker street was actually opening a door? You're in now, it's someplace in Asia that you're actually not actually, you're in some sort of temple. And that's why it looked like that. You're almost teleporting. Because when he walks to the door, at one point, he does look like he's like, where am, like, he almost.
[00:20:39] Speaker B: Looks like he's lost, confused yeah, I almost think it was a little bit of if this was intended and it wasn't just like a low budget opportunity here to save money, was that they wanted to give you the feel of, this isn't normal. This is magical now.
And the street looked like the street. So now he's gone here. It doesn't just look like he's in a house. He's in somewhere else.
And one of the final big, epic fight scenes, where he's fighting in the astral plane that presumably is like hell or something, was relatively cheesy looking. But, I mean, it is what it is.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: Yes. It would have been cheaper to make a house.
Wouldn't it have been cheaper just to use a house than it is to make that set? Like, that set probably took a lot of the budget, but you're right. In Doctor Strange with Benedict Cumberbatch more recently, you have the ability to do the whole, like, when he was at Thor and Thor has a beer mug just appear in his thing, and they move from room to room without knowing and all that stuff. That was easy to make it seem like the house was magic, because the fact they had the special effects and the ability to do that back in 1970, over and over and over again in 1978, they wouldn't have been able to do this. We can't do that. So let's do something else to make it look like this is a fantastical, magical place. And the funny thing is, I always laugh because the same thing about Star wars, which we'll get into when we eventually review Star wars together, is it's in the future, in space, yet somehow in the past. There's that whole talk that it's so much. It looks like it's such an advanced society, but yet people are in caves living.
They have light swords, but they live in a cave. There's this whole thing. So these guys are magical, but yet they look like they live in an old stucco cave place that they don't actually have. Like, if we were magical right now, we'd have, like, mansions in front of us. We're using our powers.
[00:22:27] Speaker B: It's like Doctor who with the Tardis. Where you go in is endless, right? Huge. Even though it looks small on the outside. Instead, he's like, we should probably clean this place up sometime, at least maybe sand down the walls.
[00:22:38] Speaker A: Try to get this over there. It's okay. Don't worry about that.
[00:22:41] Speaker B: Paint would go a long way here.
Live like this in secret.
[00:22:46] Speaker A: Not secret wars, new Avengers. There's a scene where they're hiding during the Civil War. Part, they're hiding in the sanctuary in their Doctor strange is using the ability to hide them. The people walking the house to this abandoned house, when really they're actually in this house. But he's using this ability to put this minds that masks that they're not actually there. And they're just diving right into the idea that we'd like to live in a cave.
Save on the heating bill in the wintertime because the rocks get warm with the sun. And save on the cooling bill in the summertime because it keeps the cold air inside. Probably the hardest part is getting all.
[00:23:25] Speaker B: Of that into the place in New York.
[00:23:29] Speaker A: No, they're just thinking they're not making a bunch of money, they're magic. They're not abuse their powers. They're just like, let's save on some money here.
[00:23:38] Speaker B: Let's just wizard here.
Wizarding doesn't make coin, dude.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: No, we got to figure this out.
Wizarding is second to comic book store owner, right? No, making no money.
Pretty close, but yeah. So that stuff, I think it was kind of funny. The sets, obviously, the Doctor's office in senses. Part of me goes like, is this just in someone? Is this like a set that they put like a curtain up and that they look like they were in a doctor's office. And, yeah, there was this whole. I don't know.
I liked him. His name is Peter Hooten. H-O-O-T-E-N.
He was really not really much to me. I mentioned to you in the store he was inglorious bastards in 1978, the original one, not the reboot that was done more recently with Brad Pitt and so on. So there's that to his name. But really the bigger person is Jessica Walter, the person who played Morgan Lafay, the, I guess, main character, if you actually boil it down.
[00:24:42] Speaker B: Her and the ancient one, honestly, probably, I don't know, the love interest or whatever. She almost has as much time on camera and following her as you do following Doctor Strange in another pet peeve.
[00:24:55] Speaker A: Of mine and things like this. And again, I think there was a lot of trying to be shoved into this to try to make it into a movie or to a tv show and so on and so forth. That this is a movie itself maybe would have been structured a little bit differently and written a little bit differently. But he falls for this woman, like super fast.
It's like this whole thing, like in an hour and a half movie, you see this random person coming in and I'm like, does every beautiful woman that comes into his doctor's office. First of all, you're a psychiatrist, so it's probably not the best idea to just fall in love with women that come into your office.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: He mentions that. He does mention that, but I'm just.
[00:25:23] Speaker A: Thinking myself, he does worry.
[00:25:25] Speaker B: The ancient one, they have a ball on.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: Yes.
And you can write that off as being like, okay, it's magic. Don't worry about in it. It seemed like Dr. Strange was a secondary character. Yes. But if you thought long term, as in this being a series of tv show, then maybe, okay, he was less in the first episode or two, and then he became slowly. And then by the end of the season, it's just Dr. Strange. And like, the ancient one's barely even seen. And obviously Dylan is the background, so on and so forth.
[00:25:54] Speaker B: But the ancient one pops up here or there to lend advice or whatever.
[00:25:58] Speaker A: But not really follows a lot more.
[00:26:00] Speaker B: Strange and Wong going around doing stuff, which Wong was well casted.
[00:26:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. I mean, not as good as the fact that the guy who plays him now is actually named Wong.
He was born for the role. But Jessica Walter was the Morgan le Fay, which is, like I said, the pseudo main character, and people will know her. It was funny thing is, I didn't realize this. I was, like, researching the movie and so on and so forth, getting ready to watch it. And she is in arrested development. She's a mom in arrested development. The comedy show that was phenomenal came out. I think it was a showtime. They had like three or four seasons of that, which was phenomenal. And she passed away, sadly passed away in 2021. So she didn't get to actually listen to this episode. Us praise her acting skills, but she was also Fran Sinclair on the 1990s Dinosaurs tv show.
She is Frank Sinclair as well as also, she was a regular on Archer. Anybody who's a fan of the animated tv series Archer, she was a regular character on that as well. So she actually went on to do stuff past this stuff. Peter Hoover again, I don't know what else. Like, I didn't really look too far into it, but it didn't seem like anybody else in this same thing.
[00:27:04] Speaker B: The love interest I saw went on to play in some horror things here and there, and not really much of.
[00:27:08] Speaker A: Anything, which is nothing.
Well, it is something specific.
[00:27:12] Speaker B: It's more than I've been.
[00:27:13] Speaker A: However, I'm surprised they haven't been asked to come to a specific location in Maine to sign autographs.
She was great, though, the Jessica Walter. She was pretty good as the character, I tell you, right now I feel. I feel, like, weirdly seem to focus on this a lot. Is, like, the nudity and all that. There isn't any nudity in this.
You're all good there. It's made for tv. But she was very sexualized compared to what I've seen her in. Like, I'm watching, obviously, the mom. She's the voice of the mom on dinosaurs, and she's on a tv show as an older mom in arrest development. I'm thinking, like, in this thing, the first time you see her, she's got her bosoms, or her bosoms out, hanging out just there. And I'm like, oh, yeah, they're sexualizing her. They're making her the sexy.
[00:28:00] Speaker B: Not always. Every time she's on the astral plane, I guess she's always in this sort of skimpier outfit. And she's obsessed with being young, right? She's like, you find out she's actually, like, I don't know, hundreds of years old or whatever, and she's obsessed with her youth and her looks and all that. So I guess it adds up.
[00:28:20] Speaker A: She was 1978. She was, wait, 37.
But I'm saying, I don't know. Again, I didn't do enough research, and I didn't live in the 70s. Maybe she was at that time, that heartthrob, big heartthrob or, like, the kind of person.
[00:28:35] Speaker B: Other stuff.
[00:28:36] Speaker A: Back then, I didn't look.
A lot of times when I do graphics for pushy.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: Could have been a model or something to you or whatever.
[00:28:46] Speaker A: When I'm researching graphics to do stuff like conventions and things like that, a lot of times I look at what they've been known for. Imdb. On the right side, it says the number of episodes they were in when it's a tv show, and if it's one episode. One episode. 178 episodes. A lot of times I focus on that because that's what they should be known for more than something. They were only on one episode. And so when I was doing this too, I was like, oh, let me write this things down. I went through and looked at how many episodes she's been on, and it was arrested development, dinosaurs and Archer, but we can look it up. Jessica Walters sounds like she should play, like, other characters in the Jessica Walter.
But, yeah, so those weren't bad. I don't think the casting was horrible. I don't think there was no one, like, Dr. Strange didn't jump out at me like, oh, my God, this guy's amazing. But he kind of fit the bill. I just wish he had a goatee.
[00:29:32] Speaker B: That's it kind of looked like him. He was. Okay. Costuming when he first gets the costume that I guess is supposed to be like the iconic Doctor strange of that era.
It's hokey looking, but it's not bad. And I was thinking what Doctor Strange looked like in the 70s, early eighty s. And I'm like, yeah, okay, that flips the bill. And then it was weird because at the end of it, he becomes a sorcerer supreme or whatever, and the ancient one gives him his powers or something of this whole. And he ends up this weird purple suit with this big white, like, I don't know what this was. Like a star or something on.
That was a serious, serious weird choice. Like, we went from, okay, that looks comic book accurate to what the hell is he wearing?
[00:30:21] Speaker A: Well, I feel like it's that whole statement I make. And most of the time we talk about these tv show adaptations of things. It's like someone trying to put their own stamp on things. Like everything else was like, okay, it's comic bookie accurate kind of thing. So that's, the set designer was like, we're going to make it look like they're in a cave. Don't worry. And then the costume designer was like, okay, fine, you can have this hokey looking, comic book accurate costume he's wearing, but don't worry, I've got something for you.
[00:30:47] Speaker B: I've got what superheroes should look, and.
[00:30:50] Speaker A: I think that was probably some of it, like someone trying to put their own stamp on something.
Little do we know. Stan Lee was the one that was like, we should put this purple suit on him.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: You couldn't have the hero in black or something like, oh, he's a good mean. Because Batman was wearing gray and blue back then. It wasn't because originally he's in house, he was in the black, and he has the gold around his waist and he has this ridiculous necklace on, but at least looked like Doctor strange.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:17] Speaker B: And then when he. And I'm like, okay, we have some comic accuracy. And then when he ends up in this purple, weird giant, I don't know. I don't know what the hell that was.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: But a lot of times you hear that the reason why they don't use comic book accurate things is because the translation from drawing someone on a page to actually putting them into Costume is a lot different. And so, obviously, if Captain Marvel wore what she wore in the comic books on tv, they might have actually sold a lot more tickets in the movie because she would have been basically naked.
The big boots. Yeah.
[00:31:51] Speaker B: I love in the comics where she's in her closet and she's like, how did I ever fight in these things? Why was I wearing know?
[00:31:59] Speaker A: And so there is that translation. But when you have Dr. Strange in a more comic book accurate outfit, doesn't always look. You're like, okay, you did it, so why are you changing it like you did? You had him, but doesn't work usually.
[00:32:12] Speaker B: Most of the time, he was just dressed like he was going to the hospital. And it's like khakis and his button up shirt and stuff and his tie. And that all worked for what he was.
[00:32:21] Speaker A: Yeah. And I also feel like it's supposed to be somewhat of a cocky guy. This just reminded me of this. He's supposed to be some sort of cocky. Like, he's shit. That wasn't kind of thing. It didn't really come very well portrayed. Everybody hated him. For some reason, all the other doctors there didn't like him. But they didn't tell you why they didn't like him. Yeah, because he didn't prescribe medicine to one of his patients that he thought was the better choice. And they're like, you better watch out. We're watching you. And it's like, why, though?
Were they threatened? Do you what know? I mean, do you think they were just threatened by the fact that he might be a better doctor than them eventually? But other than that, all of it was insinuation. You had to just insinuate what was going on. I feel like all the doctors were like, we hate this guy. We don't want this guy practicing medicine. But you don't really find, you don't know why, though.
[00:33:06] Speaker B: It would have been nice if they touched on some of that, I guess, and throw out a, like, how?
[00:33:10] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:33:10] Speaker B: That was a great part of the MCU. Dr. Strange is like, it shows how intelligent he is and how the MCU one has such a great character build. And Dr. Strange is one of my favorite MCU movies versus this one was kind of like, you just threw him in and it was the same thing with his magic. And I read a review of that, too, was a complaint that basically he doesn't know magic exists. And five minutes later, he's fighting off this.
[00:33:39] Speaker A: He's conquered it.
[00:33:40] Speaker B: Yeah, and he's fighting off people who are buried. Like, magic is what they do. They've been alive for centuries, and that's it. And he's just like, fighting them off without a problem. It was nice in the Doctor strange movies. We see him failing to try to figure out how to make portals, and.
[00:33:53] Speaker A: He'S building himself galore and all this. He's making himself into what he is. He's building himself up from basically wanting to only do this special thing in camarage to heal himself, but then realizes a bigger thing. This was basically like, I'm just a doctor.
[00:34:10] Speaker B: Selfish.
[00:34:10] Speaker A: And then he went on, I'm just a psychiatrist now. I have powers kind of thing. A lot of people complain about in the Rey Star wars movies where she gets a lightsaber and all of a sudden I know where she can just kick ass with a lightsaber. And it was like, wait, it took, like, Luke Skywalker training on the ship to actually. And she's just like, going.
[00:34:31] Speaker B: Kicking Kylo Ren's ass.
[00:34:33] Speaker A: The big.
[00:34:35] Speaker B: At this point, he's supposed to be the big.
[00:34:36] Speaker A: We know women are smarter than men, but that's not the answer they were going to give you, though. We know they probably were better at. I mean, your daughters are way better at baton turtling than you are. And so there is that aspect that maybe she can handle. Your daughters probably could handle a lightsaber. Well, I don't want to test that.
[00:34:51] Speaker B: I don't know. Emma runs around the house with a lightsaber and beats her sister with it, so it does.
[00:34:55] Speaker A: But if it was a real lightsaber, I feel like you'd be missing some things at your house. I feel like someone's head would get cut off or something like that. But my point is that these people just automatically just clicks on people. I am pretty fast learner, but not if someone gave me the ability that I'm going to be like, oh, cool, I'm going to save the world right now, instantly. And I feel like that was like they showed that in the newer Doctor Strange movie, that he progressed and got better at, like you were saying, whereas this was like, oh, cool, we have an hour and a half to tell you this. And he knows everything now.
[00:35:25] Speaker B: Yeah. So we're going to write out him learning anything. This is just done. Problem solved. He says the words I accept, and then, bang, he knows everything there is.
[00:35:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:34] Speaker B: It is magic, I guess, right? Yeah.
[00:35:39] Speaker A: Okay, so the other thing about it is we're talking about this and we pick apart, and it's hard to pick apart these things compared to, like, if we were to watch the 1978 Superman, because 1978 was made for a feature film, was supposed to be good, whereas this is like, let's try this. And that's where I feel like the line is like Superman was like, no, we're doing this. We need to make money off this. This is going to help us pay our bills. And this is more like, is this going to work? We're going to try it. We made it. It might not work. Let's throw it on CBS, see what happens, and then not go any pilot.
That's where this difference is between how good something is versus not how good. Because if this is in theaters, it would definitely not be as good as I'm saying it is.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: No, if this affected a generation, and a generation of people are like, oh, the Doctor strange from 1978. It's the best ever. And then you're watching really?
But for being what it was, yeah, I think it has a little leeway in it, so it's not bad.
[00:36:36] Speaker A: It's still surprising.
[00:36:37] Speaker B: I'm not telling everybody right now. You need to go watch 1978 Doctor Strange that neither of us knew existed.
[00:36:44] Speaker A: But honestly, nowadays, again, I think it's on YouTube.
[00:36:51] Speaker B: I don't even find it on Google.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: 1987, it came out in 1987 on VHS again in 1995, it did have.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: A Blu ray release.
[00:37:04] Speaker A: 2016 had a dvd release and had a limited Blu ray release in 2022. And that was a special company, I think, that does this whole print to order kind of thing where they put preorders out there and if you buy it, cool, they print it and they send you.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: But how many people ordered this on Blu ray? How many people are like, oh, my God. Now that Blu ray is the thing.
I've got to have this because I remember when I got my Blu ray player and I got it pretty early because I've always loved movies. And I was like, all right, there's certain movies I have to get, I.
[00:37:33] Speaker A: Got to check off.
[00:37:34] Speaker B: You know what I mean?
Who said 1978 Doctor Strange is one they have to own?
My movie collection isn't complete without this.
[00:37:43] Speaker A: So it looks like there's only trailers available on YouTube, so you can't actually see it. But the Doctor Strange movie, I don't think it was available for a little while. It's not available on Amazon, so you can't actually go to Amazon and buy the movie anymore.
[00:37:57] Speaker B: Find that VHS copy, folks. Get the VCR out.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: I haven't checked the eBay. We were doing that.
[00:38:02] Speaker B: 1978 actually reminds me so in comic store here, I just picked up a huge comic collection that had been sitting around for a long time. And I opened up the boxes and they used VCR like VHS tapes to separate the comics. Like the spaceholder, like oh, there's an enough in this of Fantastic Four. So we stuck a bunch of VCR tapes in it, and I was like, this is the weirdest thing I've ever found. I was really hoping to find something cool. I was like, oh, maybe there's something cool in, uh. No, I don't know. Like our friend Bob tackick does these amazing remarks on VHS cases now. There was nothing. I. So I took them. I'm like, all right, we're on Hammond street in Bangor here, folks. If you put it out, they will come. So I put the stack of VHS tapes out on the stairs, and I actually didn't notice them when I came in this morning. I wonder if somebody took those over the weekend.
It was like, free Willie three that actually saw the little compass in it. My wife came in, Liz came in, and she was like, hey, look, it still has a little free compass thing. How cool. And I'm like, there was like a couple Bruce Lee movies and just some weird stuff, random stuff.
[00:39:13] Speaker A: I got spawn back.
[00:39:17] Speaker B: Spawn. Wait, all right, is that the animated spawn or like, the live action series?
[00:39:21] Speaker A: Anime. Okay.
[00:39:21] Speaker B: The animated series is excellent.
[00:39:23] Speaker A: So Bob. It's hard to see, but Bob did. Bob Takik did a thing up remark on that spawn on there.
[00:39:30] Speaker B: His ninja turtle one's awesome. With the canister of ooze broken and the glow in the dark ooze running down. And then he did, oh, nice.
[00:39:36] Speaker A: Pennywise on my VHS, I have a stack of VHS. I guess one of the usually things I do is, every convention I go to, I usually throw him some money and he does one at a convention while he's there and so on and so forth. He wasn't at Bangor comic and Toycon for this past one to get the done, but we'll get it done.
[00:39:54] Speaker B: We were bobbless. It was sad.
[00:39:55] Speaker A: Yeah, it was sad. It was a sad moment.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: But we'll be at Galactic Comics later this month, though.
[00:40:00] Speaker A: Yes, he will be. Paul between 13 and $16 for the dvd. Brand new, sealed on eBay.
Here's my question for you. Are you shelling out between $39 and $59 for the Blu ray?
[00:40:16] Speaker B: No, I don't know if I'm selling.
[00:40:19] Speaker A: Out the 13 to 16 now.
[00:40:21] Speaker B: You do, like, okay, so when I was adamantly collecting movies and pre everything streams to have for my MCU collection, I probably would have bought this, especially at the time I was scouring random movie stores that were closing, or there was a place in downtown that had just hundreds and hundreds of movies for sale that they'd gotten from numerous store closures, and they bought. If I had found this sitting there, I probably would have bought it to put with my MCU collection, because I have Electra, and if I have Electra on DVD, I might as well have 1978.
[00:40:59] Speaker A: This was better than that.
[00:41:00] Speaker B: This was better than that.
[00:41:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
On March 2, someone bought a factory sealed 138 99. And on March. Where'd it go? February 9.
[00:41:14] Speaker B: Was that because it was known that we were going to review?
[00:41:17] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. February 9, someone paid $34 plus $4 shipping for a Blu ray. But the dvds have gone 13, $14 somewhere around there. And here's the deal, people. Obviously, I'm a collection. I'm like, if I have issues one through three, I want four. And five, if I have trade, no.
[00:41:35] Speaker B: Matter how bad it is, you have to.
[00:41:36] Speaker A: One, I want trade. Two, it fits in a format. It fits in a spot, so on and so forth, that if I was collecting Blu rays like I used to, I used to have all kinds of Blu rays. Now I'm down to, like, four.
[00:41:46] Speaker B: I still have a.
[00:41:48] Speaker A: When I did collect Blu rays, I would likely have shelled out the $40 for the Blu ray to make it fit in the spot where everything else was. Blu ray.
Now, if I was to buy it, I would just buy the dvd. Because let's be honest, this is 1978, made for tv, folks. Yes, exactly.
[00:42:06] Speaker B: No, the more you can have forgiveness of this, probably the better.
[00:42:09] Speaker A: Probably better. Yeah, exactly.
[00:42:10] Speaker B: VHS is probably the way to go with it, honestly.
[00:42:12] Speaker A: The same thing I'll tell you right now, with Spawn, the spawn movie. Not the Spawn animated series of the spawn movie. And that's what I thought about when that creature. I don't even know what it's called. The thing that was talking to her. Yeah, it was like the devil when he was talking. It was like the. Almost like that reminded me of the violator in Spawn, where it was like.
Not like it's hard to do. Not the violator.
[00:42:39] Speaker B: The Malbosia.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:42:41] Speaker B: Right.
No, the violator doesn't look bad.
[00:42:44] Speaker A: Wasn't bad for the 1990s. That was in.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe a month ago. Garrett was here. It was a later evening. And I hand him the mode. I'm like, here, put something on. Pick whatever you want to put on. And he, God knows why, chose the live action spawn movie.
Watching it. I don't think so. And he was watching it, and he's like, oh, this isn't so bad. And I'm like, oh, boy. And it's another one of the. Stretching beyond their means of ability for CGI and stuff. Because the scene of him in hell killing all of the other hellspawn that are coming up and fighting and Malboger is there. That all looks really bad. That looks like a cartoon or video game of its era, kind of. I can see this looking like the way it would have looked playing on a PlayStation one.
It is terrible.
[00:43:35] Speaker A: So my plan is, at some point, we will watch the spawn movie.
[00:43:38] Speaker B: We'll watch Spawn.
[00:43:39] Speaker A: I think what I want to.
[00:43:41] Speaker B: And I mean, that's another one that took itself seriously. It went to theaters the whole deal.
1978, Doctor Strange, forgiveness.
[00:43:50] Speaker A: It doesn't. And I have two things to say on that. One is our goal would be, is that to watch that maybe when the new one comes out, making a new.
[00:43:56] Speaker B: One, if that ever happens, when that.
[00:43:57] Speaker A: Happens, that we powered up with that around the same time that that was getting. So that we'd have like a pre watch this and then watch that kind of thing.
Second thing is, do you know, fun fact, and we'll talk about it again when we actually review it. Who did the animation or CGI for that?
Did. He did CGI on another movie? Can you name the other movie?
[00:44:18] Speaker B: Okay, if I had to guess, because I have no idea. I'm going to throw to guess. I'm going to say that God awful incredible Hulk where he fights the poodle.
[00:44:25] Speaker A: No.
[00:44:26] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:44:27] Speaker A: Jurassic park.
[00:44:28] Speaker B: What?
[00:44:29] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:44:31] Speaker B: Is there a drastically different budget?
[00:44:34] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:44:35] Speaker B: Jurassic park. That scared the hell out of me as a kid. Jurassic park looked.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: So here's the deal. The difference between CGI and Jurassic park is there's like the big T Rex is actually animatronics, and then there's CGI for other things and so on and so forth. But like a lot of the, most of that velociraptors, like, certain scenes of the Velociraptors is actually done, but it was done by ILM, which is what's his name from Star Wars, George Lucas's company.
But Jurassic Park's team was the one that did that as well. His name is. And I'm trying to figure out what his name is. There's a documentary you can watch on. It's called Jurassic Punk.
It's a special effects guy from that movie. It's about his life and how he never credit for Spaz, his nickname Spaz, but he never got credit for what he did. So basically, Steve Williams, that's his name. Steve Williams never got really good credit for Jurassic park. He did the weird, like, snake thing on the abyss. He was the one that did all the work.
[00:45:36] Speaker B: Right.
[00:45:37] Speaker A: But yet the people, the supervisors of the actual got all the awards. They were on stage, they did all stuff. And it kind of made his life spiral out of control a little bit. Because he was, like, depressed and anxious about the fact that he's doing all this work and not getting into credit for.
[00:45:50] Speaker B: Got no credit.
[00:45:50] Speaker A: And so I was looking it up. What else did he do? And he did the special for the CGI on that.
[00:45:54] Speaker B: Do you think so? The park, I'm assuming.
I'm not super knowledgeable of how any of this works, but I'm assuming that you had a lot of live sets. And then they did CGI tweaking around them. Versus, like, that spawn one especially. That entire scene has got to be green screened. I think the only thing is the actor playing spawn, nothing else on any of that was like, probably did not give it any favors. It didn't help it any. Versus some of the other scenes with Spawn in that movie where he is in costume and on a set. And they did other things that might have helped it.
Whole entire screen being CGI'd.
[00:46:39] Speaker A: Jurassic park was like three different types of. They were doing stop motion, they were doing animatronics, and they were doing CGI and CGI. Jurassic park, that movie was like, what set the future of the whole mixed medium CGI in movies. They show what we could actually get done. Because that movie is fantastic and still.
[00:46:55] Speaker B: Holds up to this day.
[00:46:56] Speaker A: To this day. And so he was done that. So he was supposed to have just been hired to do the background animals. So when they're in the field and they're running through the field and they're climbing over the trees and you see dinosaurs in the back. That's what they were doing. Because any sort of imperfections on them or movement imperfections are so far away that it wouldn't have been a big deal. Kind of like in this movie, his name is. I just looked it up.
Balzaroth was the name of the devil creature in Doctor Strange.
And so that's kind of like it was hidden behind something, and so on and so forth. It's not great. So let's hide it in the background.
[00:47:33] Speaker B: Which was at least smart.
It wasn't forefront. They weren't trying to put this thing up there and have you look at this straight up. It was hidden.
[00:47:41] Speaker A: Well, bet Malbosia and Spawn was like, behind some flames, and you're like, okay, that's not hiding.
[00:47:45] Speaker B: And the flames didn't look good either. No, the flames looked like they were CGI. Everything looked like a cartoon spaz.
[00:47:51] Speaker A: Over the weekend, when he was told they were doing this, said, no, I can do the T Rex. I can do the dinosaurs. We can do this now. They just don't believe in us yet. And so he took time and did it all. And when Kathleen Kennedy came over to look at what she was supposed to look at, he had it on a projector playing. And that's how he actually ended up getting the credit, getting the work to do the animation on that movie in 1993. And then he went on. So he did the special effects in the abyss, the hunt for Red October, Terminator two, which is amazing.
[00:48:22] Speaker B: I say that it's amazing of everything.
[00:48:23] Speaker A: I remember they did the whole. With his.
Yeah, he did all that Jurassic park, the mask.
[00:48:35] Speaker B: I mean, it was cartoony, but it's supposed to look cartoony.
[00:48:37] Speaker A: Jumanji, the Schwarzenegger movie, eraser from 1996. I don't know if you remember that world movie.
[00:48:45] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:48:45] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:48:45] Speaker B: That's the one with the guns that could see through stuff.
[00:48:51] Speaker A: And then 1997.
[00:48:52] Speaker B: Guy from Elf was in it.
[00:48:55] Speaker A: Yes. The dad from Elf was the James Khan.
[00:48:58] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:48:59] Speaker A: Spawn. And then he was, like, going through a lot of drugs and alcoholism and all that stuff. And he got back to doing it with more full on computer graphics. But he didn't actually do the graphics. He directed it, the wild from Disney. It was a 2006 animated feature film called the Wild, where it looks like animals that are, like, loose in New York City. I don't think I've seen that. It was made for $80 million and made $102,000,000. So there's that.
[00:49:27] Speaker B: I mean, it made money, but it not in the grand scheme of.
[00:49:29] Speaker A: Keefer Sutherland was in it. Janine Garoppolo, Jim Belushi, William Shatner.
Eddie.
[00:49:37] Speaker B: I've never heard of this movie.
[00:49:41] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, that's really weird. I don't know. So he did all those movies, and you think about, like, in that there's Spawn, which, again, this is a doctor strange movie review. We're talking about spawn here. But the fact.
The best thing in that movie is the violator for the animation of it. And it's funny. After clown looks great. Maybe the budgets were probably drastically different. That's the big thing. And I think that's a lot of people don't understand. Sometimes I can do a specific thing. I can design something extremely well if I was given six months to do it, but if I was given six days to do it or 6 hours to do it, things change. And so I think there's a little bit of that too. So, like, money and time factor into them. And I'm sure the people who are doing the special effects on this doctor strange movie weren't like, you have six months to do this. They're probably like, oh, yeah, here's the final product. We need this, this and this done. Can you guys do it?
And the Balzaroth guy wasn't even. The guy who voiced him wasn't even credited. He was an uncredited person, which still baffles me.
[00:50:32] Speaker B: It's funny because I didn't necessarily mind him. I thought his voice was well suited for it. It was well cast. Like, it was weird and creepy. It worked.
[00:50:44] Speaker A: But I think it's mainly because I think they're uncredited. Because I think there is a rule in the writers Guild and actors guilds that if you only have a certain number of lines or so on and so forth, that you actually don't get credited for a role quite a bit. Yeah, you get like a check, but you don't get like residuals and all that stuff.
[00:51:03] Speaker B: All right, interesting.
I don't think there were very many residuals from this movie.
[00:51:08] Speaker A: Someone stars as the. So it lists as the stars is Peter Hooten as Dr. Strange. And then right below that is Morgan Lafley's.
[00:51:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, like you said, it's practically her movie.
[00:51:20] Speaker A: Yeah. Dr. Frank Taylor.
[00:51:23] Speaker B: All right, so where are we at here? Five star review.
What do you.
[00:51:28] Speaker A: Six stars, Paul.
Six stars.
I'm giving it three stars, honestly.
[00:51:37] Speaker B: Three stars.
[00:51:39] Speaker A: Well, I'm trying to compare this. So my comparison to this thing is with the one we just did. Not just the one we just did with the Punisher. Punisher was released 20 years later. Right. Because it was 96.
[00:51:50] Speaker B: No, 89 years later.
[00:51:54] Speaker A: Ten years later.
If this was released in 1989. Eightyn would this be in the same realm?
So maybe not. Maybe two. Two and a half stars. I'll go down. Because now that I'm thinking. Because they didn't compare it to that, honestly, I was comparing it to the Generation X. And I think this is going to me going to be just above Generation X in the quality of what it could have been. The Generation X wins out over me on the sense that I like what the characters are. I like X Men versus Dr. Strange. I'd rather watch X Men, but that.
[00:52:27] Speaker B: Sort of was always my thing too. I've gotten. I've gotten more interest in Doctor Strange. It's funny, watching this maybe kind of made me want to pick up a doctor strange. Comic. Go read some more, Dr. Strange. It's been a while.
[00:52:36] Speaker A: And that's why I think they should always put these out there. Paul, this is my whole thing. It's like, how much worse or better was this than the 1994 Fantastic Four movie? Do you know what I mean? Like, in an overall scheme of things, they put this out, but they wouldn't have put that out. Or put, here's the deal. Yes, maybe putting out what we saw for 1994 Fantastic Four would be. But worse than this. Yes, you're right.
[00:53:00] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:00] Speaker A: However, if you actually said, okay, now let's do some touch ups, finish the special effects on it, change a couple of things, throw a few. I mean, the 1994 Fantastic Four movie had a million dollar budget. Guarantee you this had a bigger budget.
[00:53:14] Speaker B: I'm going to go two and a quarter. I'm going to go two and a quarter stars.
[00:53:18] Speaker A: Go two stars. You're fine. I want to give it a little.
[00:53:21] Speaker B: Bit better than that, but not a lot. Like, I don't feel like this is two and a half, but you can.
[00:53:26] Speaker A: Put all these in the same category, I think. I don't think that there's like a drastic difference between, if you're going to.
[00:53:31] Speaker B: Dump all of them together. Right. You're just pulling them all in.
[00:53:34] Speaker A: She will do a ranking. I think at some point this might.
[00:53:37] Speaker B: Make more sense than Generation X.
And it certainly seemed to be a better thought out plot than Fantastic Four.
[00:53:46] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:53:46] Speaker B: So if you're going to put them all together, I guess this would probably be the top one in the group.
[00:53:52] Speaker A: Punisher will be up there. I think. Punisher beats this one.
[00:53:55] Speaker B: I love the Punisher.
[00:53:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:53:56] Speaker B: And I guess technically the Punisher wasn't released. Right. And we found out it didn't go to theaters. So to me, the Punisher would be much better than two and a quarter.
[00:54:06] Speaker A: We watched two movies or two movies recently, this movie, and then Generation X. We've watched three that were pilots for tv that didn't make it. And that's including Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD, worse than all of these.
If you saw more going on back then, it would have been like, what, 22 episodes? Likely, because that's how, like, a season of tv back in the. It's like 20 episodes. Nowadays, nothing's more than, like ten episodes, eight episodes. But back then it was like 20 episodes. So say 20 episodes, a half an hour episodes of Generation X or 20 episodes of Doctor Strange. In the end, I do think that given the time and the ability to span this off over a year, a season, that this would have been better than Generation X and solely on the fact that I don't know what they would have done for special effects. The entire, like, how you make the X Men movie believable and watchable, with the budget and the constraints of the abilities of special effects back in the 1990s, compared to what they would have been able to do today and so on and so forth, that they would have probably been able to make this more believable and make Doctor strange do powers. It's easy to move things from across the room with your mind because they just use this piece of fishing line and pull it. Stop motion.
[00:55:19] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a lot of options. You can do it.
[00:55:22] Speaker A: Trippy special effects don't have to be clean. No one says, like, when you're tripping, what you see make it cheesy.
[00:55:28] Speaker B: He goes to the astral plane, and you can have all kinds of weird crap.
[00:55:31] Speaker A: And so I just think that in the end, don't think it would have been as successful to make a believable, watchable, attractive show with Generation X over 20 episodes as he would have been able to. And even if this was sold as a medical drama with some magic in it, it probably would have done better. So in the end, that's why I think I would potentially say this is equal, if not slightly better in the long term than Generation X is. Because I think that if it actually got picked up as a tv show, I would have probably liked this one more. Not maybe the story, but just, like, the idea that it's more watchable and people wouldn't be like. Because a lot of times people just watch it and don't even care what the story is about. It's like, this is shit. Because it's ugly looking.
[00:56:07] Speaker B: Right?
[00:56:07] Speaker A: And so if you just put the. You're just visually looking at it, not the story. Visually looking at it, this probably would be better than, in the long run, than X Men or Generation X. Yeah.
[00:56:17] Speaker B: No, I can see that. I would agree with that.
The other one it's given me is I really do want to go watch at least a couple of episodes of the 1978 Hulk.
[00:56:27] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:56:28] Speaker B: Because I really don't remember that very well. I know the idea that the Hulk was more of, like the bad guy, sort of like, you're waiting to see him, but he wasn't necessarily know, whatever.
So I don't know. I'd be interested. I don't know what the hell. The villains pilot.
[00:56:46] Speaker A: Yeah, we can watch the pilot. We never said we'd just have to do movies, but I feel like there is enough movies. We could throw a tv show pilot in there. Yeah.
[00:56:54] Speaker B: I've been throwing a few random movies at you lately.
[00:56:57] Speaker A: I was thinking, I did respond back to you. I hearted the message. But I was thinking that movie, that movie, I do think it'd be kind of cool to do in October because I think we're going to do two or three in the same month and do some horror movies. So that would be kind of cool.
[00:57:08] Speaker B: That's a movie I've never seen. I remember there being a big poster for it when I was a kid of the attack of the killer tomatoes. And this came up completely at random. I was putting the girls to bed and they started talking about if fruit attacking you because what was this? They watched something on YouTube or something where this person.
[00:57:35] Speaker A: They watched sausage party.
[00:57:36] Speaker B: No.
[00:57:39] Speaker A: Father of the year over here, people. Father of the year.
[00:57:42] Speaker B: This person makes almost like a muppet out of fruit.
[00:57:46] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:57:46] Speaker B: And then does surgery to it or something. I don't know. I don't know what they're doing. But they were talking about. I'm like, oh, yeah, there was a movie like that when I was a kid of the attack of the killer to me. And they thought that was funny. And then I was like, you know, I've never seen that. And if I'm. I know it has like a weird cult following, but I'm sure it probably sucks.
[00:58:02] Speaker A: No, I think it'll be great. And I think the other one I wanted to watch is I would watch the swamp thing movie.
Is a swamp thing.
[00:58:08] Speaker B: Yeah. When did that even come out? Is that in the.
[00:58:11] Speaker A: Remember? Yeah, somewhere around there because that has the comic book connection. So I thought that would be a good one.
[00:58:18] Speaker B: We're going to read Swamp thing and book club.
[00:58:20] Speaker A: There you go.
There we go. We did give generation extras for stake on it. We did give it a one star review on here. So this is better by not substantial. And like I said, I think it's part of it is that the casting.
[00:58:33] Speaker B: For Generation X was strange. This was probably better cast. It was better thought out.
[00:58:39] Speaker A: And again, I think that if this.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: Was plot was better thought out to this than really the plot to Generation X.
[00:58:44] Speaker A: And we have to rate on what we're given, not what we in my mind, like, okay, if they would have tweaked this and said, no, we're going to make a feature film, this would have been leaps and bounds better, I think, than what even was.
But it's not that we're doing it. We're not saying hypothetically we're saying this movie has a standalone what it is. And so in the end, I think that saying two and a half stars somewhere around there is not bad because it was not horrendous, but it was not. I don't think I'll regularly watch it, but I could. That's the thing is, if someone's like, I haven't seen that yet, I could put this on. If someone says, I haven't seen agent of S-H-I-E-D-L nfiri, I would have been like, you can watch that.
[00:59:19] Speaker B: Go ahead.
[00:59:20] Speaker A: Good luck. Go watch it. Watch that movie on. Honestly, the man thing movie would be in that category of like, okay, you can go watch that again.
[00:59:30] Speaker B: This reminded me too, of like the old Conan the Barbarian, which is on our list. Yeah. Which was weird and hokey and all that. And this fits that. It fits the bill of these movies that was out in that era that are beloved by people. People would absolutely love them and the campy and corniness is appreciated. And I could sort of see that with this. It was well thought out.
[00:59:53] Speaker A: Yes. And like I said, 1978, them trying to do things that even today people crap on them for trying to make superhero movies. And so I can see them trying to make the comic book movie. People didn't like comics then, people weren't respectful. People like comics now. We're going to make a thing for tv. And so them taking the guts and the risk to actually do this and make this is pretty cool.
Part of it is that it'd be cool to have, and part of it's just Stanley wants his shit on tv. And people were like, okay, Stan, shut up. Fine, we'll do this. Just come on, we'll make a movie. Seriously, dude. But yeah, I think two stars is up there. And again, this is one of those ones. If you do want to see it, I'm sorry to say, but you're likely going to have to go and buy a copy on eBay or try to find it at like, I don't know, bull moose or some sort of yard sale.
[01:00:38] Speaker B: Oh, that'd be a fun thing. Check bull Moose and see if it's in their system somewhere. They have every trade in known to man.
[01:00:45] Speaker A: If a 1987 or 1995 vhs tape came across my, I would probably pay, not too much money, but I would.
[01:00:52] Speaker B: Probably pay a couple of box at it.
[01:00:53] Speaker A: I'd make some money because you know what? That would be dope. One, to have Bob do a thing on is to do.
[01:00:58] Speaker B: You want a doctor? Strange remark on the 19th.
[01:01:01] Speaker A: I think so.
[01:01:02] Speaker B: All right, cool.
[01:01:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Next up for Paul and I is, I believe it's Dick Tracy. Viddi.
[01:01:09] Speaker B: Oh, it is Dick Tracy, isn't it?
[01:01:11] Speaker A: Dick Tracy is coming.
[01:01:13] Speaker B: I'm really excited to watch that. I'm excited to read the comic.
[01:01:15] Speaker A: Yes. So Dick Tracy is coming up. That will be sometime after. My baby is still waiting. I was honestly waiting for, like, I get a phone call in the middle of this and be like, waiting to.
[01:01:29] Speaker B: Find out that this was, like, postponed. I was waiting for that. I finished watching this last night.
[01:01:34] Speaker A: So the next episode, I was waiting.
[01:01:36] Speaker B: For you to say, oh, we got to postpone because the next episode is rom B, right?
[01:01:41] Speaker A: I'm talking to Rom B after you've done with you. And we're going to talk to rom B about his book Dawn Runner. And the funny thing is, that episode actually aired before this one. So this is going to sound weird. People are like, oh, this is the romby episode. It was great. There's still a possibility that episode doesn't finish because I might get a phone call in the middle of that one. But after that, I have a lot of these scheduled out, Paul, until the end of April, end of March. And so I think up until rolling the dice, dude. I think March 27. So the 6th, the 13th. This is going to be on the 13th. March 13. The 6th is rombie. The 20th is David Boer talking about Ghostbusters, his new Ghostbusters comic book. And then Jesse Lundberg came on to talk about comics. And that'll be March 27. And then we'll do Dick Tracy at the beginning of April. And so, like, just have to get through today. If I got through today, we're good until the end of the month. We can come anytime. We can figure it out.
[01:02:31] Speaker B: Set in.
[01:02:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:02:33] Speaker B: All of my kids came later, too. Yes, they're all almost a month after.
[01:02:39] Speaker A: This is a possibility. This airs, and two days later is the last day that we could have our baby because we're planned on the 15th, if anything. So after the 15th, it's not possible, hypothetically. I don't know how the world works, Paul. I was like, you're like the next one to record. Word. After the baby comes back or comes back comes out.
And I was thinking to myself, like, you and I, we could just do it anytime. I'm like, hey, Paul, can you do it tonight at 07:00 we could figure it out. And so that way, I was trying to make it safe. So Dick Tracy is next. And then right after that, actually, we'll be talking to Alex Segura and Michael Maurice, who wrote the Dick Tracy comic book that's coming out in April, which is awesome at Mad Cave Studios. And then, Paul, you ready? You ready for Star wars?
[01:03:21] Speaker B: Oh, boy.
[01:03:23] Speaker A: Star wars episodes four, five and six. At least you're watching the good ones.
[01:03:28] Speaker B: Thank God you're not making me watch other ones.
[01:03:30] Speaker A: Watch those.
[01:03:31] Speaker B: You know what? And I'm going to try to. I'm going to try really hard to make this a family thing and have the kids watch it over the weekend. Yesterday, Emmy and I went to the new arcade in Orno and played and they had a really cool Star wars game, okay. That you sat in it and it was like a pod and it had your throttle on one side and your stick on the other that had like, the buttons to fire weapons. And you did actual scenes from the movies like I flew the X Wing and blew up the Death Star and M did the one with the ewoks. And the Ewoks are like chucking rocks at the speeder bikes and you're on a speeder bike trying to chase down the scout troopers and avoid the atsts and stuff. And she's like, oh, dad, this is so cool. I'm like, well, have you ever seen the movie? And she's like, no. I'm like, well, this is a chance. Look, the ewoks right there, those are in it. So maybe I could convince the kids to do family nights of family movies. And we watch the Star wars movies altogether.
[01:04:28] Speaker A: So my goal would be, is that we record them. Typically, we could just do, you and I could go on and do, set aside a morning wake up, do nine to twelve and just do bam, bam, bam, bang and get them all done. But what I actually have done is, we'll talk about this later. For scheduling was the idea of potentially doing three weeks in a row of us recording. And that way you could honestly watch like on a Sunday night, watch episode four and then the following Sunday night, watch episode five, so that you spread them out a little bit, but also that when you go into recording, you're only talking about that movie before it.
[01:04:59] Speaker B: No, you're not going, good idea.
[01:05:00] Speaker A: So it's up to you. You do what you want. But I think it'll be fun. That will come out in May. That will be for our Star wars month. That will be packed with Star wars stuff. I got book reviews coming. We're going to talk to some creators. That'd be a lot of fun. And then I don't know what we're going to do. After that, Paul, I don't think. Oh, actually, if you want to come on for it, you're fine. In June, I think Adam Morissette, the one, the only Adam Morissette, former co host of Capes and Tights podcast here. We're probably going to come on and talk Jaws in June every summer for the anniversary of Jaws. It's like the 39th anniversary. It's not like a random one. It's a random interesting. But that comes out in June. Jaws came out June 20, I think, in 1973, 75. And so we're going to do that, come out June 19, right around the Jaws time. But then after that, I think we're watching Captain America from 1990, buddy, you and me.
[01:05:52] Speaker B: Oh, God.
[01:05:54] Speaker A: Best thing is that at least the Star wars movies are like, you might not like, you might not be a big fan of them, but they're good. And the same thing with the Dick Tracy movie, I think is also good. And we'll get into that. At least you have a break between Star Wars. I don't.
[01:06:07] Speaker B: Paul hates Star Wars. I don't hate Star wars. You don't like Star wars. Don't like it as much as people assume I do.
[01:06:12] Speaker A: But you don't like, like, I'm pumped for Star wars month. You're like, cool, you're doing Star wars month. It's not like that stuff. And so the next crappy movie we're going to watch is going to be the Captain America movie. So you got some time.
[01:06:26] Speaker B: That is going to suck. That is going to suck.
[01:06:29] Speaker A: It's going to that. This is going to be one of those ones where we're less like, this is going to be on the agents of SHIELD. Nick Fury, agent of SHIeLd level.
[01:06:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so. I would assume, in fact, it might be worse.
[01:06:39] Speaker A: It's probably, we can't go past the half Star. So they're all going to be tied at this point because I don't want to do anything. Like, I am not giving something a zero. That's not fair. The actors and actresses at least showed up, okay? They made the movie. You got to give them at least a half a star.
Paul's like, I give 0.1 stars.
They get that much of my attention.
But yeah, Dr. Strange.
[01:07:01] Speaker B: Dr. Strange.
[01:07:03] Speaker A: It's 1978. Buy the dvd on eBay. People give it around.
[01:07:08] Speaker B: Like I said, if anything else, it made me want to go read some Dr. Strange books.
[01:07:11] Speaker A: And that's why I think that's what pisses me off about the 1994 Fantastic Four movie not being released. It's like, at least it would get people attention to the Fantastic Four. People would buy comics.
[01:07:20] Speaker B: I can't believe that.
[01:07:21] Speaker A: Why?
[01:07:21] Speaker B: We would just not release on Disney plus or something. Why not? Why not have a Disney plus streaming of it? You see the best doctor doom that has come out.
[01:07:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Best costume. Honestly, it might be one of the best looking comic accurate villains in all of comic book movies. It might actually be the closest to.
[01:07:38] Speaker B: The actual, certainly on the list above some other ones.
[01:07:42] Speaker A: For still, I love Thanos. I think his head was too small.
[01:07:48] Speaker B: Thanos looked too human to me. That was my problem. They humanized him. The eyes.
[01:07:53] Speaker A: Butt chin though.
[01:07:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:07:56] Speaker A: Wrinkly ball section. Okay, so this has been Dr. Strange. So check out galactic comics on galacticcomicstaincollectibles.com. You have Facebook, Instagram, all that stuff. 547 Hammond street in Bangor, Maine. Check out that. That's awesome. We're looking forward to. We're going to watch Dick Tracy. It's the next movie, so if anybody's listening to this and you want to be ready for it, watch Dick Tracy between now and then. It's easily accessible movie, unlike some of the other ones we have. I am super looking forward to access. I don't think it's actually on Amazon. I think you do have to do some research to find it because I think there's some reason behind the Warren Beatty of it all. I don't know the whole, you got.
[01:08:32] Speaker B: To try to find Star Wars. I don't even know.
[01:08:34] Speaker A: And on top of that, you should just watch the movie anyway because the Dick Tracy comic book is coming out in April as well. So you could just get on top of that. We'll be doing Dick Tracy. We're not doing Dick Tracy month, people. Sorry. It's not. Not going to happen.
[01:08:46] Speaker B: You don't want to read like the.
[01:08:48] Speaker A: 1930S, 1940s, like the comic strip comic.
[01:08:53] Speaker B: Strips and then get together and discuss the potential plot twist in the week.
[01:08:57] Speaker A: Can you get those collections? Can we just do that for book club on April?
[01:09:01] Speaker B: They have the hardcovers. They just were promoting them, actually.
[01:09:03] Speaker A: Wait, hold on. They're on the same page of releasing a new comic book and having promoting.
[01:09:09] Speaker B: Older stuff because it has nothing along with it. It has nothing to do with Marvel.
[01:09:13] Speaker A: It's probably not even the same publisher. That's why. Yeah, one's probably like EC and the other ones, or like Dark Horse and the other one's probably like, is Mad cave. So not. Mad Cave isn't putting it out. It's probably like, oh, let's tag in on this.
[01:09:27] Speaker B: This is a chance for us to.
[01:09:28] Speaker A: Move some books, give that marketing person a raise.
[01:09:32] Speaker B: Mind blown.
[01:09:33] Speaker A: And take money away from the people that don't do this and give it to the people who do this. It's ridiculous. Okay.
[01:09:38] Speaker B: Frustration and rant.
[01:09:41] Speaker A: Yeah. So check out Doctor strange.
[01:09:44] Speaker B: Check it out.
[01:09:45] Speaker A: It's big.
[01:09:46] Speaker B: Two stars.
[01:09:47] Speaker A: I'm keeping one down. One and a half stars. Half stars. No, I'm kidding. It's two to two and a half stars because you did two and a quarter. That makes sense.
[01:09:56] Speaker B: It's better than other things we've watched.
[01:09:58] Speaker A: I'll probably put it at two stars on our website because the quarter stars don't work correctly in the programming I have in the back end. So it does 2.3.
[01:10:07] Speaker B: I'm still giving it two and a quarter.
[01:10:08] Speaker A: Yes, you can. But I'm probably going to put at two. I'd rather go lower than higher.
[01:10:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:10:13] Speaker A: If I must say two. If you average, it's 2.375 between the two of us, it's going to go to two because that's just the way it is.
[01:10:20] Speaker B: But that's fair.
[01:10:20] Speaker A: Cool. Okay, Paul, thanks a lot. I appreciate it. And hopefully next time I talk to you, I mean, I'll probably be in Wednesday because let's be honest, she's not coming until the 15th, so my daughter's not coming till then. But we'll see.
[01:10:31] Speaker B: Probably not.
[01:10:32] Speaker A: If not, you'll hold my comics?
[01:10:34] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe.
[01:10:37] Speaker A: I went through all my previous catalogs. I have, like, there's like ten quotes and I just didn't see them.
[01:10:44] Speaker B: That's insane.
[01:10:47] Speaker A: Hunt for the skinwalker. Boom. That was one on there. I'm just like, I don't know if any of them wind up making it onto the actual print copies, but I just was laughing because it's in there and I just never even noticed it. I'm like, oh, cool. Next page. Don't read the quotes now. I'm going to be, like, reading the previous catalog now, but cool. I'll see you around, man. Thanks a lot.
[01:11:09] Speaker B: Thanks, dude.
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