[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on capesandtyce.com dot. I'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. We're back. I haven't recorded in four weeks. I had a baby named Riley Quinn with my wife Taylor. She was born on March 15, and so we took a little time off to be with the baby and so on, but we're back. Paul Eaton's returns to talk. Dick Tracy or Dick Tracy Month? I'm just saying. It's Dick Tracy Month. No, because there's a comic book coming out on April 24 from Mad Cave Studios. So we thought, why not? Let's go back and watch the 1990 Dick Tracy movie and discuss it right here on the podcast. So, uh, that's what we did for this episode. But before you do, follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and Bluesky, as well as over there on YouTube, uh, follow our channel there for the video portion of this podcast, get our audio version on Apple or Spotify, rate, review, subscribe, all those things, and on all other major podcasting platforms. This is an episode featuring discussion of the Dick Tracy 1990 919 90 movie with Paul Eaton of galactic comics and collectibles. Enjoy, everyone.
I love how we. We just were talking about random stuff, and I'm like, okay, let's record. And they press record, and we're gonna do it now, right? Welcome, Paul, to the Keeper Tights podcast. It's been a while. I mean, this is the first time back in a month that I've recorded, so it's been a month.
[00:01:24] Speaker B: Holy smokes. Already? Okay, that adds up.
[00:01:25] Speaker A: Yeah, because of baby. Baby. Well, I didn't have a baby. My wife had a baby. We had a baby. I didn't.
[00:01:32] Speaker B: You didn't have that much to do with it.
[00:01:34] Speaker A: 15 seconds. We already talked about this.
No, so I recorded. Let's see. I'm looking it up. I recorded on February 26.
[00:01:45] Speaker B: All right.
[00:01:46] Speaker A: It is April 1.
[00:01:48] Speaker B: Look at that. It is.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: No, sorry. We record. We recorded on March 4, so it's rough. Right? Around a month. Uh, four weeks.
[00:01:55] Speaker B: We did. We did.
[00:01:56] Speaker A: March 4. I forgot about that. I reported on the 26th as the episode dates were out of whack. But, yes, it's been a month. I took a month off because we didn't know if the baby was going to come early, but then also time to, you know, be with my wife. My daughter turned two weeks on Friday.
She had a doctor's permit this morning. She's healthy, happy. Yeah, it's doing great. So it's awesome. We're excited. Uh, and, you know, Paul's the.
[00:02:19] Speaker B: Paul.
[00:02:19] Speaker A: It's Paul's God daughter.
[00:02:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: So there's that. There's that part of it, too. So one of these days, my girls.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: Are super excited to meet their little, I don't know, God sister.
[00:02:28] Speaker A: Well, I don't even know God sister in law. No, I don't know nothing. There's nothing because it's.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: But they're really excited.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: Well, we talked about this. My wife and I were talking about this because my, my sisters in law were too excited. The fact that they weren't named mother or godmother. And part of it was like, we. I personally think that, first of all, like, godparents are. The tradition of godparents are different now than what it was originally when it was designed.
[00:02:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:02:56] Speaker A: The idea behind a godparent is it's a spiritual thing. Honestly, it's a religious thing where you, if we were church going people, you would then take the mantle from us. If my wife and I were supposed to pass away, that you wouldn't have to raise these children, because obviously, I have other people in my life that are going to raise these kids if we were to not be here anymore. But your goal would be, like, to make sure they're still following the faith and doing all this, that your goal would be, like, their spiritual parent to help them do that. That's no longer like I. That's not my reasoning anymore.
[00:03:25] Speaker B: It's not a thing in our, our lives.
[00:03:27] Speaker A: No, no. My thing is, is that I want additional family members that are not actually family members, if that makes any sense. So, like, my son's godparents are our friends, and my, my daughter's godparents are our friends. You. And then. And then the godmother is Taylor's friend Megan, and so those people are additional family members. Now. You guys are part of our family because of this. So naming a brother or sister of that just doesn't do much to me, because just my brother and sisters, my sister in laws and my brothers are already part of this whole thing. So now I get to bring you in, and we get to bring Megan in and do a thing where you're now part of our family. And so that's the reason why I like doing it this way. And so, Paul, obviously, you already were part of our family. I felt like I was part of your family anyway, but kind of stuck together anyway, so. But now it's official. It's official because, let's be honest, there are, like, 17 people in line to take care of my kids if I were to die tomorrow before you.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: All right, so only 18.
[00:04:28] Speaker A: You have to fight. You had to fight a few people.
[00:04:32] Speaker B: I was like, so back in the day, I was, when I was playing hockey and I was goaltending and I was explaining to this kid that worked for me that I had to be, like, a USA certified player now because of the league I was playing. And he's like, you can play in the Olympics. And I go, yes, if every. If like half a million goaltenders in the United States drop dead, then, yes, I could maybe play in the Olympics.
[00:04:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a very long line before they're ever going to get to me. Well, Paul, there are you 20 goalies in the rink I play at that are better than me already.
[00:05:06] Speaker A: When we turned, what, 35, both of us, we were both able to become president, right? That does not mean we will become president.
[00:05:14] Speaker B: I don't think so.
[00:05:16] Speaker A: So there's a. We are legally allowed to now become president where we start campaigning. Yes, exactly. Let's do a Soderbergh and Eaton ticket, you know?
[00:05:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: Our slogans just be like, anything is better than what we have.
[00:05:30] Speaker B: That's what could be worse.
[00:05:33] Speaker A: Yeah, could be worse. At least we're not the other guys. Right, but, yeah, exactly. No. So, yeah, that's why it's kind of funny. Like, yes, you can be a goaltender.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I can. Yeah. Hundred percent sure.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: You're allowed to be. Doesn't mean you're going to be.
But we are here not to talk about random stuff like that, which we can. Let's just shoot the shit the entire time. Call it an episode.
[00:05:57] Speaker B: And they're just like, did they actually talk about Dick Tracy at all?
[00:06:01] Speaker A: Yeah, you and I are too sober for that. That we leave, that, that we're almost getting up on a year of episode 100. Or was it 99?
[00:06:08] Speaker B: Yeah, episode 99.
[00:06:10] Speaker A: Yeah. Nova was looking through pictures of my phone and that picture of us that we took in the hotel room there. He's like, oh, it's Dana and Paul. I'm like, oh, my God. We were a couple.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, we're. We're history. Yeah, we were gone. I'm going to that show again. Yes.
A couple weeks here.
[00:06:27] Speaker A: Yeah. I gotta see who's coming because I don't know if I need to send some stuff down with you or not, but, yeah, of course.
[00:06:32] Speaker B: Yeah, no, there's some. There's some great creators coming to this show, so I'm pretty excited.
[00:06:37] Speaker A: We'll see. But, yeah, we're here to talk to Dick Tracy. So Dick Tracy, the reason why we talked about Dick Tracy this time, Paul and I, if anybody's new to listening to Paul and I's episodes on here, are listening to our antics, is we do movie reviews and we tend to do periphery, you know, obscure bad movies.
[00:06:57] Speaker B: Say what it is. We tend to watch bad movies.
[00:07:00] Speaker A: They fit the zeitgeist in the pop culture zeitgeist we cover here on capes and tights. But they're the obscure ones. Yes, they're the bad ones majority of the time. The ones that people either didn't know existed or forgot about or whatever. And so we're talking about the movies to do. And this wasn't even on my list to start off. It was on my list, but it wasn't on my list to do soon. And then I realized, as I'm, like, planning ahead and talking about, you know, creator guests on here and things like that, that I forgot that mad Cave Studios has the rights now to publish Dick Tracy comic books.
[00:07:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:07:32] Speaker A: With that, they're coming out with Dick Tracy number one this month. So I think it's the 20th now. I should have known that that would.
[00:07:42] Speaker B: Have been a good thing for either of us to have on.
[00:07:44] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
It's on. Here it is coming out April 24 of this month. So the 24th of this month is decreasing. Number one, written by Alex Segura and Michael Morrissey.
There's artwork from Geraldo, gorgeous and Mike. Mark Englehart is doing the colors. Jim Campbell on the, on the letters over at Dick Tracy. Number of variant covers, including our friend Jesse Lundberg is doing a variant for probably Santana collectibles, but I'm not sure, 100% sure on that. And that's awesome. So here's this. This episode comes out on the 3. April. That's our date. So they're recording this on Mondays. Coming out third, we have one episode in between that, which is David, David Ebeltoft and Jordan Hart, who wrote the comic book the cabinet that will come out next week. But the following week, April 17, it's Alex Segura and Mark Michael Morrissey talking about Dick Tracy number one. So we thought in this month of April, let's put some effort into Dick Tracy and watch the high caliber, award winning, much better than most of the movies, historical Dick Tracy movie from the early nineties. 1990. Precisely.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: I like it better than Star wars.
[00:09:04] Speaker A: What did I just watch? That this is better than the new freaking Indiana Jones movie. I watched that the other day.
[00:09:09] Speaker B: Yeah. I haven't watched that yet?
[00:09:11] Speaker A: I also watched new Ghostbusters. I watched recently.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: I was, we were going to go to the theater set this weekend. Of course, we had, uh, we had Easter Sunday, so that was busy. And then, uh, we had the snowstorm the previous weekend. We had a book signing with our friend, uh, Bob Tackic was in shop on Saturday. So I have not had any free time to go see Ghostbusters.
But I'm looking forward to. Even though I'm not hearing great things, it just wasn't.
[00:09:36] Speaker A: I mean, obviously, nothing's ever gonna be the original. Nothing.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:38] Speaker A: Except for, I mean, Paul thinks number two is just as good, so I don't know.
[00:09:41] Speaker B: Number two is awesome.
[00:09:42] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah.
And so then there's this.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: You'll never be able to look at painting again.
[00:09:48] Speaker A: There's that one, Ghostbusters, that we don't talk about. But other than that, they're all good. Honestly, they're all what I wrote in my review on the website, if you want to check it
[email protected]. For Ghostbusters is. I am just happy we get this stuff to watch. Like, could be trash. I don't care. We live in an era that all the stuff Paul gets to come out and we get to see it. There's new. You might not be a huge Star wars fan, Paul. Other people are good myself. So when a new Star wars thing comes out, I just want to watch it. I get to see things that happen. It's just nice to have Star Wars.
[00:10:19] Speaker B: I agree with that.
[00:10:20] Speaker A: Exactly. And same thing goes for Marvel movies and DC movies. They may not be good, but the fact that a DC fan gets to see black Adam on screen or the flash on screen is a cool, fun thing that we get to do. We talk about movies from the nineties. One came out every frickin four or five years. That comic books, we get them all the time now. So, like, we gotta be happy with these things.
[00:10:40] Speaker B: Discussion here. Some people were, had complaints about the new TMnT animated movie, or we were discussing across the Spider verse. So that I said, you know what? Those aren't for us. They're for the generation. It's younger, and it's great that it's out there. And the amount of kids that come in here now loving ninja Turtles because of that movie, like, hey, I'm all for it.
[00:11:01] Speaker A: And then we wait. Oh, my gosh. When Iron man one came out, I was like, oh, my gosh, they're making an Iron man movie. This is freaking insane. Nowadays, it's like what next cool thing can we get in our kids, including your kids, even though they're a little bit older, obviously they're older than my kids. Not old, but they're older than my kids. They're not going to know another time where there wasn't this stuff out there. Like, there wasn't just pop culture movies out there.
[00:11:21] Speaker B: Yeah, they're not going to understand that.
[00:11:23] Speaker A: And it's just there. And so, like, the idea that kids.
[00:11:26] Speaker B: Going to school where, I mean, Emma goes to school wearing a venom t shirt. Yeah. Like, I mean, I wore a venom t shirt in my day, but they weren't like, I had to buy it from the comic store in town here. You know what I mean? There wasn't every kid in school wearing.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: This stuff now, young t shirts. Like, it's crazy. Like that. So. So it's cool to see that. And that's my biggest thing is like, what are the movies sucked or not? I was able to see a movie above the Ghostbusters that included the original Ghostbusters in 2024. Like, we never thought after Ghostbusters two, we were ever going to see that group again on tv again. So that, to me, is cool. And the fact that this new Star wars acolyte coming out on Disney in June, a cool new thing in the Star wars universe, it could suck. I still get the chance to see this now, and I learned that honestly from our buddy.
I say, everybody, Kevin Smith, he's in the same world as us. He's a good friend of ours, Kevin Smith, he's the same thing. I'm just happy we're nerds. We get to see this stuff on big screens and stuff like that. Like, it's so badass. So. So in the end, movies could suck. Movies can be amazing. The fact that we get to watch them and it is so much fun. So we decided that Dick Tracy was the movie to watch and review in April because Dick Tracy Month, I'm going to call it Dick Tracy Month.
[00:12:43] Speaker B: There we go.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: Tracy Month.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: Let's do it up.
[00:12:46] Speaker A: And the last time I saw this, Paul, I don't know, I wasn't 20.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: Years ago, I'm going to say I'm around the same. So when I was, I had this as a kid, I had a giant, like, vhs collection growing up.
And when we moved, I was 13, we moved from my to my, what my parents is now their house.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:05] Speaker B: And I went through my movie collection, said, well, I'm going to get rid of stuff because I, my room was gonna be smaller and this and that, and Dick Tracy didn't make the cut. To me, it was too much of a kid movie, and I was getting rid of all my kid movie stuff.
So I have not seen this movie since I was presumably somewhere around 13 years old.
[00:13:24] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:13:25] Speaker B: And I'm really glad that I had the opportunity now to watch it again, and I'm glad to enjoy it as an adult now.
So I was stoked when you said we were gonna watch Dick Tracy.
[00:13:37] Speaker A: Do you think that it's not just seen as a more mature eye, but what we've seen? Come. I'm talking about bad movies that we've watched or movies that, like I said, I'm happy about seeing the flash on screen even though the movie sucked. The idea that because we've seen these failures of our favorite characters that we've seen, to see a such a, looking back on this, some people might have been like, that was stupid going back and go, who actually was pretty cool. Like, to think about when it was made, how it was made and all that stuff and the quality and special.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: Effort that went into this movie, the effort made to it because, like, so I watched this with my wife, and my, my wife had never seen. She actually checked out about halfway through. She's like, yeah.
And I'm like, seriously? But, I mean, I have the childhood nostalgia.
[00:14:23] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: He's like, I could probably finish it. She goes, I'm just not that interested in it. Yeah, but she asked me originally when it started, and you have, like, one of the opening scenes with the bad guys there. And she's like, why the hell they look like this? And I'm like, well, they went through the time to make these guys look like they did in the old strips. In the old comic strips, the bad guys looked like bad guys. They're all weird looking and crazy. And the fact that they went in through so much development time and makeup stuff. I mean, the scene with the goon when he's Dick Tracy's beating the guy up in the shack that, like, shoved the little kid. Yeah. Like, man, they spent time on this, and it's, it's nice now watching it. Hi. Definitely, actually, really, I think, appreciate it more.
[00:15:03] Speaker A: I think they were ahead of their time in some of this stuff because I feel like a spider verse and somebody's other, like, unique way of filming things or unique animations or unique whatever. Or the ability to put humor over the top. Humor and things, like when they were fighting in that, in the, in the little house style building, the wooden building and the buildings going like, this also felt like.
[00:15:23] Speaker B: Exactly. You would see, like, the new strip, you know what I mean?
[00:15:25] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:15:26] Speaker B: And he'd punch him and go that way.
[00:15:28] Speaker A: And it was great, that stuff. I feel like they were almost ahead of their time. And I think that's maybe why people might have like, eh, because if this movie was made nowadays, people like, oh, look at that. They're going. And they're doing a unique thing. They're doing this fun, like, kind of over the top, slapsticky, like, making fun of themselves kind of thing. And. But back then, I think we were like, what are you doing? And so that's probably part of the reason. But I do also think on the other side of that, they would have done it, like early two thousands, you know, 2005 to 2010, somewhere around there. They did a remake of it. They would have interpreted what they looked like in the comic book strip into something else. They would have gotten a guy with a, with a flatter face of some sort or a flatter, you know, like a bigger head.
Not like crazy big. Yes, a little bit bigger.
[00:16:16] Speaker B: Severe.
[00:16:18] Speaker A: This is like, this is not real. Like, this is obviously fake kind of thing.
[00:16:22] Speaker B: But they did a great job. And it's amazing how well it stood up going in, especially going from my childhood memories and watching this on vhs and on, you know, old televisions, to watching it now in high definition, how great it looks. And I feel like the things that maybe they did not understanding how relevant it was going to be to the future of how well this stands up the background scenes that are painted and all of this stuff that they did. But it shows up beautifully here and makes it look more like you're watching a comic strip.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: It does. And it makes it look like, it looks less fake when you try to look at. Make it look real and you can't. It looks fake. That makes any sense when you try to make it look fake.
[00:17:05] Speaker B: It all plays together. It works 3d thing happening. And it looks like we are watching an old 1940s comics trip come to light and the whole world looks like that. Right? You have like, the, the crazy, like, architect and buildings and then the background, the moon's huge and all painted and stuff's lit up and it's. It really is beautiful. Watching this, I could not believe how much I enjoyed this movie now after watching it when I was a kid.
[00:17:34] Speaker A: And they could have done easily done animated, like, they could have done an animated film, which would have been what would have made sense.
[00:17:39] Speaker B: So, you know, animated now. I would love to.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I do think I would love that. But here's the deal. What if they did it, like, not spider verse style, but, like, made it look like the comic book strip, but animated and so, like, it's actually, like, even if it's in black and white, if it needs to be, like, all that stuff, just like, have fun with.
[00:17:56] Speaker B: It again, you know, have flat backgrounds again, but have the characters in full depth, like, definition and stuff, it'd be. I don't know. I think it'd be great to do. I think Dick Tracy is, is an awesome, like, piece of culture that is kind of like fallen by the wayside, sort of forgotten. So the fact that mad cave is doing this comic for it is. Is phenomenal.
[00:18:19] Speaker A: And it's.
[00:18:19] Speaker B: It's something different and unique and to, to what we have now. Right.
[00:18:26] Speaker A: Different.
[00:18:26] Speaker B: Unique to today's regular publications and comics. And I feel like you'd be great to see in movie format again. These old gangsters and bad guys and the cop, you know, going out there and doing. Doing justice and.
[00:18:38] Speaker A: Yes, I love it. So Warren Beatty, who directed the film, also starred as Dick Tracy. He probably also brought the film reels to the actual place to play put it.
He probably sold tickets to the ticket booth at your local movie.
[00:18:56] Speaker B: Popcorn.
He owned this thing. He was.
[00:19:00] Speaker A: Yes, he did.
[00:19:00] Speaker B: I want.
[00:19:01] Speaker A: Funny how you say that, Paul. Tell me how you say that, because he also owns the rights to it.
[00:19:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, he does now. Right.
[00:19:08] Speaker A: We bought the rights to it, but.
[00:19:10] Speaker B: I was reading, they tried to make this movie previously with different Crete, with a different actor and with some different stuff, and it fell by the wayside and then they came back and pitched it again, and then he picked it up and just like, ran with it.
[00:19:23] Speaker A: So I'm going to paraphrase this, and it's probably wrong, so people could do their own research on this, but the idea is that he owns the rights to it. And we've talked about lapsed rights, and you have to create things and do things.
[00:19:32] Speaker B: Yeah, things have to be gone.
[00:19:33] Speaker A: And we talked about Fantastic Four and all that stuff.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: If it doesn't, four is the number one thing to.
[00:19:37] Speaker A: Prime example of that. But because he owns the rights to it does not mean he owns the rights to it in perpetuity forever. Like, he has to do stuff with it. And obviously, this movie came out in 1990, and there hasn't been any new movie sense or tv shows or anything like that, except for on.
What was it? Is it TCM, what's it called, the time channel? Movies or something like that. Turner classic movies.
[00:20:04] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:20:05] Speaker A: He's created over the years. In 2011, he did the Dick Tracy special, and then he does Dick Tracy, zooms in, and then there's a sequel called Dick Tracy sequel or whatever. He, over the past number of years, when he gets close to the point where his rat lights were, rights might lapse. He does these weird things where he, like, does these specials around Dick Tracy to allow him to continue to see who the rights, but hasn't wanted to or had the ability or given anybody the ability to. To remake this movie or make another movie and show all this to the comment books. But I'm pretty sure that print material and movie materials are different. So it's not like he owns the rights to the comics. Whoever created this in the estate and things like that for dictators, the creators of dictator still has all the rights, still has all the print rights to it. So I'm guessing that's how it ended up at Mad Cave. But with Mad Cave and the, selling the comics and all that stuff, I don't know. Weren't babies like 85, 86, 87 years old? Why not do something and put something out there and they can have a cameo or do some sort of have.
[00:21:00] Speaker B: Him in there as a commissioner or something? I, you know what? I love that he has the love of this character so much that he's kept it all the time and kept it semi alive. Right. He's doing, he's done some stuff to keep it going.
[00:21:12] Speaker A: I wonder how it's written to his state and into his will and stuff like that, too. Like, does if he dies, does it go back to public domain? Does it go, like, what happens to him? So that, like, if Warren Beatty dies tomorrow, do we get ability to do dick trees again eventually? I don't know, but it's just kind of a fun, funny, fun fact to it that, like, he's made this movie that he starred in, the Dick Tracy movie that everybody has to pay attention to. It's like, it's, like, very egotistical in a sense, because I directed it. I started it. This is the only Dick Tracy movie that's out there that people want to watch, and if I don't let anybody else have the rights to it, they can't make a new one that might be better than it. So, like, here you go.
So screw all you like.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: If Michael Keaton had gotten Batman and.
[00:21:55] Speaker A: Just been like, I wouldn't have been upset.
[00:21:59] Speaker B: Like, I know I would be fine with it. Yeah, well, especially, oh, man, can you imagine a universe? The George Clooney Batman didn't happen. Oh, that's a shame. I'm sure we're gonna have to watch that, right?
[00:22:09] Speaker A: No, you didn't realize this, but Michael Keaton says the only other person that's allowed to play Batman is George Clooney.
[00:22:15] Speaker B: So.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: Yeah, so the movie, it came out in 1990, summer of 1990. It was made for $46 million. It brought in $162.7 million, which. Great. I think it made money. I'm guessing.
[00:22:27] Speaker B: I am fairly certain. I was at the theater for this. I'm pretty sure. I went to the theater and saw this movie.
[00:22:31] Speaker A: $162 million in 1990 is obviously a lot different than $162 million in 2024. Right. But, I mean, I think that's Hollywood math. I'm sure it made money.
[00:22:41] Speaker B: Right?
[00:22:42] Speaker A: I mean, that's.
[00:22:42] Speaker B: I'm sure it was successful. And I remember it like, they're being Dick Tracy stuff everywhere. Right there. Dick Tracy, actually.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: So I meant to get it. It's over here in the corner, Paul. Below my. Below my genie.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:22:55] Speaker A: It's a hole, right? The shelves come together.
[00:22:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:59] Speaker A: My Dick Tracy. I have a Dick Tracy action figure that fell in there, and I can't get it without, like, taking shit off and moving it. But I meant to do it over the past couple weeks. Like, I gotta get it out there. Yes, exactly. I guess in my son in there. Face down.
[00:23:09] Speaker B: Right?
Go Nova.
[00:23:13] Speaker A: Huge freak out.
But, yeah, so, like, there was a lot of stuff around it, and it was a big thing. I think it's one of those, I don't know, the colorfulness of it, too. I think there's the simplicity of the poster. Black with the drawing on it.
[00:23:27] Speaker B: Yellow.
[00:23:27] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's so great. His, obviously, his iconic yellow jacket. And that's similar in the comic book. If you check the comic book out, he makes appearances in the comic book, like he does in the movie of where he just, like, you turn the corner and, like, there's Dick Tracy there in an all black background with a yellow jacket. And so, like, it's very iconic. Um, but did you know, uh, Paul, who wrote this? It's, uh, Jim Cash and Jack Epps Junior wrote the. Wrote the screenplay in the, in the, in the movie. Also wrote top Gun, turner and hooch, anaconda, top Gun, Maverick. But it's based on characters. I think they just help with the story.
And the Flintstones, viva lock.
[00:24:13] Speaker B: Interesting selection there.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: Izzy and Moe. I don't know what that is.
I don't know who that is. Legal Eagles.
I don't know what that is. The secret to my success. Oh, it has Michael J. Fox in it.
[00:24:30] Speaker B: Oh, there you go.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: But, but to me, I'm like, think about, like, top Gun, classic movie, right? Turner. Turner, who's a pretty classic movie.
[00:24:36] Speaker B: Turner who has a good following for sure.
[00:24:37] Speaker A: Anaconda.
[00:24:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it's funny. I just literally saw something about Anaconda and about how the, the animatronic snake would, like, have, like, seizures, like, it freak out. And they said in the actors, so, like, the actors were actually afraid and things because the snake, when it come about the water stuff, would, would, like, mess up and they were, like, terrified of the frigging thing. Things are thrashing around.
But fun, fun fact out there.
[00:25:06] Speaker A: Anaconda, I just watched it recently, honestly, and I, wait, I watched it when.
[00:25:10] Speaker B: It came out, like, way back. I wasn't big into that stuff anyway. But for whatever reason, I watched it and I was like, yeah, no, that.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: Was, there's something about Anak. This is speaking of that, because there's a pop star in this movie called Madonna. Um, but there's something about bringing in pop stars to star as a. Having a supporting role or having a side role of someone who's done really.
[00:25:33] Speaker B: Donna was incredible in this movie, but Donna was great.
[00:25:35] Speaker A: But she also wasn't the main character. She wasn't. Yeah, a super main character. She was a main, or like a co starring, I would think.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: But side.
[00:25:43] Speaker A: But with. Was it, is it.
Who's the, who's an Anna Connor?
[00:25:48] Speaker B: I was gonna say.
[00:25:48] Speaker A: Who was in that?
[00:25:49] Speaker B: Jennifer. I won't say Jennifer Lopez. It wasn't.
[00:25:50] Speaker A: It is Jennifer Lopez. She just wasn't that good, I guess. It's not that great. Like, at the time, she was early in her act, potential acting career and stuff like that. She just wasn't that good. So that Madonna on this one, I could, I could. They were using a star among stars to just tell this movie, like, let's be honest. Yeah, but Paul, who else is in this movie?
[00:26:09] Speaker B: Everyone, like, anybody who was acting in.
[00:26:12] Speaker A: The early nineties of any stature was in this frickin movie. Al Pacino, Madonna, you had Dustin Hoffman, you had Dick Van Dyke, James Khan, Katherine O'Hara.
[00:26:27] Speaker B: It's almost like now if the Dick Tracy comic, like, makes a big splash.
[00:26:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:34] Speaker B: Then anybody could go to a comic con and be like, I was in the Dick Tracy movie.
[00:26:38] Speaker A: Yeah, but it was, it was great because I think about Al Pacino, Dustin Hoffman, but also 1990 was a little different for some of these. Like James Conn, I don't know what he was. James Connor was on was the dad, if anybody wants to know, on the actual dad of buddy the elf. On elf, yeah, or the dad, like, when he goes in the office building and that's where he is. Dick Van Dyke, obviously, with someone.
[00:26:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:00] Speaker A: Manny Patinkin. Manny Patinkin was.
He was in criminal minds. He was one of, like, the lead people in the tv show Criminal Minds.
[00:27:09] Speaker B: It was crazy how many actors I recognized doing other things, but yeah, they were in this and they were in that and they were in even like, the side, the little sidebar characters and side villains and stuff.
[00:27:21] Speaker A: Well, I'm thinking, like, most of those people, we probably noticed in 20 Hindsight's 2020, Paul.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:26] Speaker A: A lot of those people we noticed because we've seen things from 1990 probably on that they were in.
[00:27:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:27:31] Speaker A: We wouldn't have gone to the theater, have been like, oh, look who it is. It's so and so and so and so that we know who they were, really, until we saw the next thing they were in. In all likelihood, like me personally, you know, some of those people, like James. James Khan was obviously in, um, misery from Stephen King, which was one of.
[00:27:47] Speaker B: The villains on here, was on Lethal Weapon, which I mean, I saw eons ago. Where did that come from?
[00:27:51] Speaker A: Yeah, I have no idea what just happened.
[00:27:53] Speaker B: It came up and gone, are we live. Somebody liking this?
[00:27:58] Speaker A: What does that be?
[00:27:58] Speaker B: Do?
[00:27:58] Speaker A: I just did a b. It's making a beeping noise, and I did a hit b.
What's going on?
But some of these things, people we wouldn't have potentially known. So it's, which is pretty cool. But looking back on it, you're like, holy crap, there's everybody in this frickin thing. And just so you, everybody knows, Chester Gould made the original comic book strip earlier. I said the guy who created it.
[00:28:22] Speaker B: Chester Gould, was the original creator. I have to say this inspired me watching this again, in the fact, of course, of the new comic coming out, I'm sort of inspired to get one of the, they make, like, like, omnibus style hardcovers of all the old comic strips just for the fun of reading them. Just the nostalgia add to my giant hoard of things I need to read.
[00:28:40] Speaker A: The problem with me is very first introduction to Dick Tracy was this movie.
[00:28:45] Speaker B: Me too.
[00:28:45] Speaker A: So, like, I'm gonna read it and be like, it's like my whole joke I say about, don't show people spaceballs before you show them Star wars, because Star wars just becomes unfunny spaceballs. And this is the same thing. I feel like it'll be the same thing. I feel like I read the comic book strip and be like, oh, this is not the movie, though. Even though it's not. It's the opposite in that way around.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: I don't know. Yeah. And I went out and look out original art. And, like, big boy in the comic looks very different than Al Pacino played him in.
[00:29:10] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: They still did some of the, like, makeup and stuff for it, but, yeah, big boy in the comic series is more like almost like kingpin. Yeah, he's big. Huge dude. And I feel like in this, they more made it, like, the fact he was big boy because he was the big villain. Yeah, but, but, yeah. Overall, I don't know. I think it'd be fun to do. I think this is a fun series, I think movie wise. And I was kind of surprised. It was. It was fun to go into it, watching it with my wife where she didn't see this growing up, to see what she thought. But I was a little disappointed that she didn't have this, like, love it that I did or, you know, do you like, she said, I appreciate it.
[00:29:47] Speaker A: Well, here's the deal.
[00:29:48] Speaker B: So I do think watch it.
[00:29:49] Speaker A: But people who don't like the actual movie itself might understand is what we've talked off the top about this. This movie is. It's a beautiful movie. Like, the actual watching of the movie. Like, if you just have it on the background, your wife was like, you know, helping, you know, doing some other stuff around the house, whatever. And she looks at the tv, she's like, oh, that's a cool, like, shot or a cool, like, background or cool scene costumes or that stuff I can see. Because it actually did win an Oscar.
It won her best. Best art direction, best makeup, and best original song.
[00:30:18] Speaker B: This movie was also, was another one. The soundtrack to this is phenomenal for it, but the soundtrack creator in this was also very famous.
Oh, my gosh. What was the other movie he did? It was, like, huge. Oh, shoot. I wrote.
[00:30:35] Speaker A: But. But that's the thing is, like, it's actually an award winning movie.
[00:30:37] Speaker B: It's.
[00:30:37] Speaker A: It's not even like I made a joke at the beginning, but, like, this actually won awards. It's not like one, like, Razzie awards. Like this r1 war. It's like, actual, like, they have hardware for this stuff.
[00:30:46] Speaker B: Definitely not in the normal category of things we watch.
[00:30:49] Speaker A: It's Danny Elfman.
[00:30:50] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: Danny Elfman.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: Who's a unbelievable music say, legendary.
[00:30:56] Speaker B: Is he a legendary?
[00:30:58] Speaker A: Legendary is legendary.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:59] Speaker A: Yeah. Paul, you want me to list off a little bit he's done.
[00:31:03] Speaker B: Yeah, go for it.
[00:31:03] Speaker A: I have a sonography here. Well, he's also a place in a band, too, so, like, that's that, too. List of compositions, know as the sexual harassment lawsuits.
[00:31:13] Speaker B: That's maybe. No, maybe not. That one.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: Is there actually, I'm on Wikipedia here. Usually has a reasons.
[00:31:21] Speaker B: Reasons to be famous. That's not a good one.
[00:31:23] Speaker A: Is usually a list of their.
[00:31:26] Speaker B: I thought I had it. And I remember I read. I read a whole bunch of books, but I watched this movie, so I think I watched this right after we recorded our last podcast.
[00:31:36] Speaker A: Yes, you did.
[00:31:37] Speaker B: Almost normally I try to watch them very close, and it's probably a good thing I did, because I've been so busy that I would have had to try to squeeze this in somewhere in my schedule.
[00:31:46] Speaker A: Okay, I'll start watching.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: Enjoy it.
[00:31:49] Speaker A: But 1988, ready? Beetlejuice, big top. Peewee.
Pee wee. Pee wee. Pee wee's big top. Scrooged. The, uh.
[00:32:01] Speaker B: I love scrooged.
[00:32:02] Speaker A: I love that movie. Absolutely. Bull Murray Christmas. Batman, obviously. Dick tracy.
[00:32:07] Speaker B: That was what it was. It was. It was Batman. 89.
[00:32:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:11] Speaker B: And I was thinking how they are definitely similar sounding, like, watching him, but the soundtrack fits this so well.
[00:32:19] Speaker A: So you have. You have Batman. Batman. Then that's in 1989. In 1990, he did dick Tracy's and Edward scissorhands. Okay. In 1992, he did Batman returns. In 93, he did nightmare before Christmas.
[00:32:32] Speaker B: That's all super iconic movies.
[00:32:34] Speaker A: Then he did the Mission Impossible soundtrack in 1996, as well as Mars attacks.
[00:32:39] Speaker B: And then in black, did the. Okay, never mind.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: Men in black, flubber and good will hunting all in the same year, 97, he did a simple plan, which was a pretty good. It was an okay movie.
And that was, that was there. That was up until two thousands. But more recently, uh, if anybody does it, I guess does not look. And thinking back on it, uh, he did, uh, the new Grinch movie in 2018.
[00:33:02] Speaker B: Oh, the animated one there.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: Yeah. He did that soundtrack.
He's responsible for all the music in the 50 shades movies.
[00:33:11] Speaker B: All right.
[00:33:13] Speaker A: Um, but no, basically the Avengers of Ultron. Um, he did those. He did.
He's doing Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice.
[00:33:23] Speaker B: I can.
Is that the sequel that he's doing?
[00:33:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: Is that the. Okay, that's not the musical. It's a sequel. I sort of can't believe they're actually making a sequel, this movie after.
We'll see 30 years. Yeah, 35 years that they're making.
[00:33:40] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:33:40] Speaker B: I love six years. I loved Beetlejuice growing up. I loved. I saw the original movie, I watched cartoons. I actually think I'm gonna do a beetlejuice tattoo on my arm.
[00:33:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:48] Speaker B: Because of my childhood nostalgia for Beetlejuice.
But it is. That is surprising to go back and.
[00:33:54] Speaker A: Do another comes out September 6. So you know what we should do in end of August?
Discuss Beetlejuice original one.
And then he also go like this.
[00:34:05] Speaker B: Because I feel like hating Beetlejuice is a little hard.
[00:34:07] Speaker A: Like.
[00:34:07] Speaker B: And I'm obviously like, that would be.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: One of the ones, like, when we did Batman returns for Christmas, it was. It was more like along the lines, like, okay, we're actually going to talk about a movie. We do like this.
[00:34:14] Speaker B: This movie.
[00:34:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
And hopefully maybe talk about things like what we would like to see in the new one. Hopefully they don't do this. Hopefully this comes back.
If it's a week or two prior, we'll have, like, leaked things from the set so it'll know us a little bit. What's going to happen.
[00:34:28] Speaker B: We should have done ghostbusters. Two for the Ghostbusters. And then I could. And you could talk about how bad it was.
[00:34:35] Speaker A: We still can do.
[00:34:36] Speaker B: I know you're busy going ahead having a real life.
[00:34:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
He did Doctor strange in the multiverse of madness, too. That was. Yeah, that was the more recent one. People could continue music on that. I know some people, like, was amazing. Yeah.
[00:34:50] Speaker B: I don't remember. I watched it in theaters and was.
[00:34:52] Speaker A: Like, I. Yeah, but Danny Elfman is legendary.
I gave you half of those movies on that thing. He becomes legendary.
[00:34:59] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:35:00] Speaker A: And so you add the other half to it and he's like.
[00:35:02] Speaker B: He's like, Batman. You say Batman 89, we're done anyways. He's legendary.
[00:35:05] Speaker A: Batman 89 and Beetlejuice and this. And what did I say? What was the other one? I thought was really, really. Oh, they were before Christmas, right?
[00:35:13] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Nightmare before Christmas.
[00:35:14] Speaker A: They go done. So.
And all these have similar, like, the Batman returns, this, and nightmare before Christmas have, like, similarities in their whole art.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: A dark.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:35:28] Speaker B: Like this. You know what I mean? Like, and creating the. The scene with the music. I feel like a big part of it, you know, you're adding that.
[00:35:38] Speaker A: Do you want to know the fun fact while I look at my notes? So, Jack and in. Sorry, the kid in this movie.
[00:35:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:45] Speaker A: Is Jack from. From hook. The kid.
[00:35:49] Speaker B: Oh, really? I didn't know that.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: I was, like, looking at the kid. I'm like, I know that kid from somewhere. Where's that kid from?
[00:35:55] Speaker B: There's a childhood movie that did not age as well. And I went back to watch Hook because I loved it as a kid.
[00:36:01] Speaker A: I love them.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: Did not age as well.
[00:36:03] Speaker A: Really? Yeah, it's hard to shit on it. You know why it's hard to do, Corey? Because he's dead.
[00:36:09] Speaker B: Because he's Robin Williams and, like, national. I love Robin Williams. I still hooked.
[00:36:14] Speaker A: It's just hard to do that. Like, it's hard to, like for me.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: Like you, like you used to. I don't, you know, as a kid. And I gotta say Dick Tracy, I think I like to Tracy more now than I did as a kid.
[00:36:25] Speaker A: Watching Dustin Hoffman drifts up. Like, hook is kind of hard.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: No, a lot of stuff in it that's kind of like. It's a little weird. We'll off put it.
[00:36:35] Speaker A: But it's classic. I still think that's my favorite Peter Pan story or movie.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: I just want the original Peter Pan. Give me the original Disney Peter Pan.
That's my jam.
[00:36:49] Speaker A: But no, so that's funny. So not only is there Tommy.
[00:36:51] Speaker B: Star wars is awesome or something, but you talk about.
[00:36:53] Speaker A: Yeah, talk about, like, hindsight's 2020 is the idea of who's in this movie. I was talking about Dustin, but, like, this kid was also in. He was also in a. I mean, that movie came out a year later, came out in 1991 and made twice as much money as.
[00:37:06] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And so, like, surprised me.
[00:37:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:09] Speaker B: So this one. This one runs a weird line, right? Because is this a movie for us? Like, for adults? Is this for kids? Is this a family movie? Like, okay, it's. They did toys for it. They did all these, like, promotions for it that made it feel very, like, kid and family oriented. At the end of day, it's a bunch of gangsters and Dick Tracy shooting a bunch of them. Now. They don't show, like, blood or anything with these guys and shit, but there's a lot of people getting murdered in this. You got, you know, gangsters killing gangsters. You've got Madonna and all of her, like, sensuality and posing and, like, all of this stuff. And, like, the cops killing all the bad. You get a cop murdered, right? Like, in one of the early scenes of it where he goes out and follows the bad guys and tries to warn them. Like, is this a kids movie? Like, what is this? It's tough. Especially nowadays, right? In our generation. In our generation growing up in the nineties, they were like, yeah, whatever.
[00:38:05] Speaker A: That's a.
[00:38:06] Speaker B: This could. This could have been g rated back then.
[00:38:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's like, g rated movies back then has nudity in it.
[00:38:14] Speaker B: Yeah, that's good for everybody.
[00:38:15] Speaker A: That's fine. Yes, we're guided.
[00:38:18] Speaker B: Like. Yeah. Nowadays, what do you, what do you really classify this as?
[00:38:21] Speaker A: So I don't know. And I also wonder this Paul, like, so Dick Tracy, this trip came out in the thirties, right?
[00:38:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:29] Speaker A: Is this, this is 1990. So I guess this would be for.
[00:38:31] Speaker B: People that like are my parents seen of it? They talk about the organized crime and about a single mother dead in the gutter.
[00:38:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: But is it couldn't pay?
[00:38:42] Speaker A: Is it for people who read the strip or is it just based on that material and it's for a new audience? Like that's my question. I guess that's the real question is.
[00:38:48] Speaker B: Like I feel like probably for a new audience that would have been quite the gap to like have some in there.
[00:38:54] Speaker A: 60, 65. My parents are in their six, mid sixties and that's, that's, if they keep out in 1930 to 1990, that's 60 years. So if you're, I guess they have to be not reading it then you're a good point. Someone has to be like they don't.
[00:39:08] Speaker B: Tend to gear towards the 60 year old crowd for like this is what we're going to try to like.
[00:39:12] Speaker A: No. Yeah.
They also have to be older.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: Yeah. This was a new telling and I feel like it was probably aimed towards me being eight, nine years old.
[00:39:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Possibly back then. Kid. The kid is a big. The kid is a big.
[00:39:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Follows the kid a lot.
[00:39:30] Speaker A: He's a big part of family story.
[00:39:32] Speaker B: As a kid. As a child of that era, I'm like, oh, I could be that kid running around, jumping on the back of cop cars and helping Dick Tracy fight crime and you know, all that stuff.
[00:39:40] Speaker A: Yeah. Because I really think you'd have to be like 75 to be before them because you have to be at least 15 or so years old to read the comic book strip in 1930.
[00:39:50] Speaker B: Right.
[00:39:50] Speaker A: For it to be before you and then it has to be 60 years later, which we speak is 75. And they're not making movies for 75 year olds.
[00:39:55] Speaker B: No, that's not the geared audience.
[00:39:57] Speaker A: That's not the target audience except 80. 80 for Brady maybe. Maybe they made for 80 year olds. I'm not sure, but I watched that on the hospital with Taylor. Yeah, it's pretty bad.
It's, it's pretty bad. It's definitely pretty bad. No, but yeah, I don't know. Who is it? Who is the intending audience? Is a good question. I think it's, it's a family movie, but not a family movie that you'd this is not like a Pixar movie, if that makes any sense.
[00:40:23] Speaker B: Right?
[00:40:23] Speaker A: Like there's family movies that are like for all ages, and then there's family.
[00:40:27] Speaker B: Movies that are like the audience, you know, your oldest, Emma.
[00:40:30] Speaker A: Your oldest. Yes, yes.
[00:40:33] Speaker B: Emma's ten. And Emma loves action adventure stuff. So I could probably watch this with them and she'd be like set with it. Now. I don't think I'd watch it with Kate. Kate seven. And Katie's a lot more like sensitive and would probably be afraid of them. Some stuff in it. You know what that makes you a.
[00:40:49] Speaker A: Good Apollo, a good parent because you're parenting right now.
[00:40:53] Speaker B: Right.
[00:40:54] Speaker A: But my point is, it's like there's a thought process behind what you show your kids. And then other parents are like, why didn't you tell me this? That I shouldn't show this to my kids? Maybe you should.
[00:41:04] Speaker B: Not appropriate.
[00:41:07] Speaker A: Maybe you should be the one not to watch this anymore.
Interesting. Paul's actually thinking about which of his kids can actually watch these movies. It's crazy.
No, but I do think that like, we watched this when Nova was at my Taylor's Nana's house for the night. And so we put it on and watched it. So he wasn't even in the house. But I probably wouldn't, like, he's three and I probably wouldn't even have it on because of what he could potentially learn. He remembers a lot of stuff at three years old, he absorbing all sorts of stuff.
[00:41:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:40] Speaker A: And so there isn't a lot of.
[00:41:42] Speaker B: Language in it necessarily or anything, but there's definitely a lot of like punching and shooting and it's an adventure movie.
[00:41:50] Speaker A: So here's a question we just talked about Hook. Is it in the same audience?
[00:41:54] Speaker B: Probably. Especially in, especially in that era. But you know, and then I. And you, you know, you gauge your kids and this and that, I. What is it? Once again, I'm. I think it's pg. Once again, I think Emma could watch Hook. I almost think watching Hook now as an adult, I almost think Emma would be bored watching Hook.
[00:42:11] Speaker A: I could be wrong with the rating on it.
Wikipedia.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: Why?
[00:42:17] Speaker A: Is there not like a tv rating on there?
[00:42:18] Speaker B: Yeah. You think they just have that on there?
[00:42:20] Speaker A: That's weird.
Yeah. I don't know. I don't know who it's for, but I guess.
Yeah, everybody, but not everybody, if that makes any sense. Like, there is no audience that wouldn't be good to it unless it's just. But that doesn't mean that there's movies not for not every movies for a seven year old. Yeah, that's, that's a kids movies. You're more likely to have your Kate watch a kids movie than you are watching a for all ages movie, if that makes any sense. Yeah, because there's like for all ages books and comics that we talk about all the time. It's not for all ages. It's for ages ten and up.
[00:42:55] Speaker B: Right.
[00:42:55] Speaker A: But we say all ages because anything below ten is kids stuff. They just, that's all they do is retick it. Mostly kids stuff. So like there is this all ages they. But all ages really means like ten or older.
Not all ages really, but yeah. Yeah, yeah.
[00:43:08] Speaker B: It's uh, it's like, I mean, Katie six to my little pony. Like in the comic section.
[00:43:13] Speaker A: PG.
[00:43:14] Speaker B: That's her jam is pG, but I'm PG. In the eighties. Early nineties is still different than PG now.
[00:43:19] Speaker A: Yeah, but yes.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Um, so I guess that was an interesting thing is how they marketed this movie and how it came out and how.
I don't know. I guess there aren't movies like this as much anymore, though. There are no action adventure movies geared towards a kid, you know, versus like, I mean, this had everything. There were Dick Tracy watches, which is funny watching this too, where the Dick Tracy, like back as a kid I thought how cool was. He's got his watch, he's talking into it and it's a radio. And now it's like I actually, Siri's listening to me right now.
I can take phone calls on my watch. I can do these things like, oh, hey, we're, we're there. We're actually kind of above it because it's just an old standard watch for the radio. Versus now this is like a computer on my wrist. Like we passed the technology I thought.
[00:44:07] Speaker A: Was so cool you could make it a Dick Tracy movie watch because you just put a picture on a dick Tracy.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: Yeah, there you go.
[00:44:13] Speaker A: Dick Tracy watch.
[00:44:14] Speaker B: We'll do that. That'd be awesome. Actually. It'd be cool to have a new Tracy, one that had like looked like a radio for half of it and had the old standard.
[00:44:22] Speaker A: So we're going to read some, some letterbox half star reviews here.
[00:44:28] Speaker B: Oh, got half star.
[00:44:29] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:44:31] Speaker B: I can't give a half star to this.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: Those are going to be good ones. Fall.
[00:44:36] Speaker B: All right, let's have it.
[00:44:38] Speaker A: Okay, let's start off with where'd it go? Did they close it? No, I'm his half star. This is a guy named lug way n is a review on Letterbox half star. They saw it. They watched it March 16. So it's a recent march.
[00:44:57] Speaker B: It's recent. Okay.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: I'm 80% sure that Warren Beatty blackmailed every cast member except Al Pacino to be in this. He simply gave Al Pacino coke every day of shooting and he was happy clam.
[00:45:10] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:45:11] Speaker A: Um, Arch, why is this, this is so funny. Half star rating. I think this is maybe my least favorite film of all time. I've never felt more trapped watching a movie. Last time I watched this, I kept worrying that it would never end. Every time Al Pacino was on screen is actually the worst thing I've ever committed to a film.
[00:45:32] Speaker B: Huh. Wow.
[00:45:33] Speaker A: No, this one, I don't get one star review from Joshua Miller on Letterbox. This is from 2000, 222. So this is still more recent. Ugly and boring.
And I don't get that one.
And the one we're going to leave off this letterbox section for you.
We'll continue talking for a second here, but is false advertising. We don't get to see Dick's Tracy's dick.
[00:46:03] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:46:05] Speaker A: Half star review from.
[00:46:07] Speaker B: How do you get this? How do you comment? This is ugly. Did you not understand the source material or the point of this movie?
[00:46:13] Speaker A: I don't get it. If anything. If anything, the acting, the, everything else, the music, whatever, is secondary to the visuals of this movie.
[00:46:23] Speaker B: Yeah. The views, the visuals are intended to be the way they are. That's somebody who just doesn't, just doesn't get it. Like, doesn't get it. They probably, like, why is you wearing a bright yellow coat?
[00:46:35] Speaker A: Exactly. So out of, I can't, I don't know. It doesn't tell me how many people rated this movie. Oh, here. Out of 36,000 ratings on letterbox, this thing's been viewed, 1500 have given it five stars.
1200 give it four and a half. 6000. Have given it four.
6600. Have given it four. Three and a half. So the most has been giving, is 11,000 people have given it three stars.
[00:47:02] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: And then there's, I personally would be.
[00:47:05] Speaker B: Above the three star rank.
[00:47:07] Speaker A: Two and a 222 people give it a half star and 800. So a thousand people give it one star or lower out of the 36,000.
[00:47:14] Speaker B: All right, so, I mean, that's a low percentage overall compared to.
[00:47:18] Speaker A: So is, is the movie story itself like the plot? The story itself unique? No, it's a detective story.
[00:47:27] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:28] Speaker A: It's an action adventure.
[00:47:28] Speaker B: There's a pretty basic one at that. I mean, it's interesting because you have the, you have big boy, then you have faceless, this, like, whatever person that's doing and manipulating things in the background, and you have your love interest and you have Dick Tracy. Like, should he continue being a beat cop or should he move up? And, um, it's not an original movie, but it's fun.
[00:47:49] Speaker A: Did it set out to do what it's supposed to do? Yes. It's entertaining. It's usually attractive. This music's amazing. It captured what we wanted to see in a movie. It's in 1990, obviously. If I looked up movies, I'd be like, oh, yeah, that makes, I don't remember very many action adventure movies that I remember as much as Dick Tracy from the nineties, from the early person that year, from that year. 91, 89. You have Batman, things like that. Like, if I think about my personal 37 year old Justin, this movie has always been in my mind, like, always. Like, it's always a movie where, like, someone talks about things. Like, there's never a time where I'm like, oh, I forgot about that movie. Like, Dick Tracy is one of those movies that I've, like, it's there. The poster, the black poster and the yellow jacket and all that stuff that, holding the kid's hand sometimes, depending on the poster, you see.
[00:48:33] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:48:34] Speaker A: That is iconic to me. And so, like, all of that together.
[00:48:36] Speaker B: If you did a rough sketch, I would know exactly what you were trying to pay.
[00:48:40] Speaker A: And homage to this movie makes sense to me. It does. And so in 1990, just for people, I just clicked on it. Goodfellas came out in 1990. Home alone, Edward Scissorhands, back to the future three, misery, godfather part three. Great movies that year, total recall, the tv show thing, tremors, die hard, to dance of the Wolves, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.
I'm not gonna list them all people. So if I did forget some, oh, shit.
[00:49:15] Speaker B: Those are some, like, amazing movies, though.
[00:49:18] Speaker A: Yes, but so, like, if you think about those movies on that, but like, here's the deal. Goodfellas is a great movie, but it's not one of those ones that if say, name a movie from 1990 that I would immediately go, that's the movie. Like, I have to figure out when that movie came out to me, something about the year 1990. It's like 89, Batman. Like, we know that movie came out in 1989. And it's like, this is like 1997. I think, honestly, Home Alone, if you'd asked me home alone, for some reason, I was Ninja Turtles is another one. But those movies, I will, if they say name five movies from 1990 or the nineties even, I probably would put this movie in there just because of it stuck with me. It has the visual attraction.
[00:49:53] Speaker B: I think it iconically affected our era. I would think. I would think this is. This would be one that stays out in the main thing. All right. I would.
I would go. I think I'd go four stars on this movie. I don't want to oversell it. I'd go four stars. I think the visuals of it, I think I thoroughly enjoyed. I think the plots. The plot's fun enough. Like, it is what it is. It's his point. It serves his purpose. Yep. Yeah. I go four stars on this thing.
[00:50:20] Speaker A: I gave it three and a half and I don't know, there's no reason why I could have easily got a four stars. I just went three and a half. So there's that.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: So that makes you want to oversell it.
[00:50:30] Speaker A: I don't. Sorry, I don't like it. We're doing this because I. Letterbox does five stars. Goodreads is the book website does five stars. A lot of these, like, review your own things are all five stars. And that's why I've kept things in the five star rain. I hate five star ratings. I wish it was ten stars or ten.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: There. Yeah, because you just did this.
[00:50:52] Speaker A: Now there's no. They either have an. There's no eight and a half.
[00:50:56] Speaker B: Right.
[00:50:56] Speaker A: Unless you do 0.25. But that's. I do half stars only because that's. A lot of these only. Do they do half and whole.
[00:51:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:02] Speaker A: And so like this. It's like you either gave this four or four and a half stars or three and a half stars. So I gave it a seven. You gave it an eight. I probably would have given it a seven and a half. And you might have given it a seven and a half. You're like. It's like there's a possibility that we'd be in that range and you have a little more leeway with this.
[00:51:17] Speaker B: The good news is we're definitely right in the same spot, unlike. Yeah.
[00:51:20] Speaker A: And I think we are a lot of times, too. There might be a movie here and there that we're gonna. I'm gonna give, like, four stars to it. You're gonna be like, that's a half star. Star wars. Yeah, it's coming up here.
[00:51:30] Speaker B: Oh, boy.
[00:51:31] Speaker A: But it's visually. This movie is visually attractive. It's doing what it's supposed to do, Paul. Entertaining. It serves as you change. You did it. All these people who said they couldn't finish the movie, that it would never.
[00:51:40] Speaker B: End, that I don't understand. And it wasn't on mute.
[00:51:44] Speaker A: And watch this movie, and I freaking watch it.
[00:51:46] Speaker B: It wasn't long. Like, what is?
Honestly, it went by. Stuff went by because I remember it. Right? I mean, this was watching 45, and I remembered things, and I was like, wow, I can't believe that's already happening in this movie. To me, it was longer when I was a kid. You know, this happened later in the movie, so I. Yeah, I thought it went by really fast. Like, him. Him interrogating mumbles I thought was much later in the movie.
[00:52:09] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. Yes, exactly. It's like. It's honestly, like, every time I watch a Seinfeld episode, I'm always like, wait, that's the same episode, right? There was like six episodes in one episode.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: You said they're all one.
[00:52:20] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:52:21] Speaker B: We're watching. We randomly putting Seinfeld on the background right now at home. It's like the. All right, you know, enough of this or that. We'll just put this on for the evening and call it a night.
[00:52:30] Speaker A: So if you look at his history, the guy who did the cinematography on it, we talked about viewing our visuals of this thing.
He didn't do much else that I would care about, honestly, which is surprising.
[00:52:41] Speaker B: For the amount of. For this.
[00:52:44] Speaker A: Yeah, like, it's not like there's not much. I mean, there's a couple movies in here I recognize, but, like, apocalypse now. Okay, there you go.
[00:52:51] Speaker B: Yes. That was the big one. I remember that. Which I have not seen. That's on my, like, that's been on my to watch list now for, like, years.
[00:52:58] Speaker A: You did a couple other things. He did the remake or the sequel to Exorcist. Exorcist. The beginning in 2004, I saw the Exorcist.
[00:53:06] Speaker B: At least, I can at least say I've seen that.
[00:53:08] Speaker A: Oh, that's a good movie. That's a really unique, um. Yeah, it's just weird. I was just looking at it when I was clicking on the names here and figuring out who did what. And that. That was a big one.
I think it's a great movie. I think that's one of those things. Like, one of those things we talk about this movie, because it is one of those ones that people remember and discuss and sell is a lover hated movie, in my opinion.
And so. But I don't understand how you hate it. I don't. Yeah.
[00:53:34] Speaker B: I don't get that, girl.
[00:53:35] Speaker A: Here's the deal. Ready for our opinion? If you hate this movie, you're wrong.
[00:53:39] Speaker B: Yep. I go with that. Yep. I'll deal with that. I think that's fair.
[00:53:43] Speaker A: It's worth watching. And here's the other thing about this cool movie, Paul, is that you can watch it. People out there. It's available. You buy it.
[00:53:49] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah. This isn't something like hunt for, like, we had to with some of these and then wish we hadn't.
[00:53:57] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. Um, Dick Tracy is available for purchase on, like, the Google Play store, the Apple Store, Apple TV store, YouTube, things like that. It's not on any streaming devices, and I don't actually think it's available to watch via Amazon, but I might be. Oh, no, it is. No lost episodes. There's actually the tv show that had lost episodes. You can get the DVD. You get the Blu ray on Amazon. The DVD's like $13. That's not bad.
[00:54:23] Speaker B: Pretty reasonable. I bet you could find it at a bull moose near you if you're.
[00:54:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
But, yeah, there's a little golden book.
[00:54:31] Speaker B: Oh, there we go.
[00:54:32] Speaker A: There was this show, there was this animated thing back in the day from 1938. No, it's not. It's a dictrous evil. You can buy the companions.
[00:54:42] Speaker B: I almost think I remember seeing some sort of random cartoon series or something from this when I was. But it wasn't like a main thing.
[00:54:49] Speaker A: Tracy dead.
[00:54:51] Speaker B: It was like, buy a vhs at, like, your dollar store type thing.
[00:54:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:54:58] Speaker B: Clips of the comics and making it.
[00:55:01] Speaker A: What was the last time that there was actually. Alex and Michael will know this. We talked to them on the podcast. But when the last time a comic for Dick Tracy came out, I couldn't tell you.
[00:55:11] Speaker B: It hasn't been, I have not seen Dick Tracy while I've been doing this. I have seen, I have seen the, the release of, like, the omnibus style hardcover books, you know, but that's been, that's the only thing I've seen the whole time I've been doing this.
[00:55:28] Speaker A: Let me see. Dead or alive is seven years for. Wow, that's this summer or, no, this fall.
[00:55:35] Speaker B: This summer will be five. This fall, this November will be five years of storefront. Seven years in galactic comic history.
[00:55:43] Speaker A: Dick Tracy, Dead or Alive was a four issue miniseries that published by IDW in 2018.
[00:55:48] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:55:49] Speaker A: Concluded in 2019, miniseries by Lee Allred and Michael Albert.
[00:55:55] Speaker B: So I missed that. That came out in galactic era and I didn't even see it at all.
[00:56:00] Speaker A: Iew.
[00:56:01] Speaker B: Interesting.
[00:56:03] Speaker A: It's cancellation of. Oh, now it's shortly after its cancellation of Archie comics Dick Tracy miniseries, which came out prior that.
[00:56:11] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:56:12] Speaker A: In September of 2023, the new Dick Tracy comics.
[00:56:14] Speaker B: I haven't even seen any of these, like, digging through back and stuff. You know, I have had. We've had the Dick Tracy sort of like the hardcover, almost, like, graphic novel form from the nineties. That's just the movie done in an animated sequence. We've had that a few times.
[00:56:30] Speaker A: I actually am kind of mad I missed this. So following Dick Tracy, Dead or Alive, was Dick Tracy Forever, a four issue comic book series at IDW in April of 2019. The miniseries is pencils by Michael Avon Ohming in colors by Takisoma with letters by Sean Lee. That would have been. That makes sense to me. I could totally picture Michael Ohming doing artwork for a Dick Tracy comic book. His flat, two dimensional, like, not very. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, it's perfect. But he did powers and all that stuff. I could totally see that. Oh, sharp lines.
Yeah. I'm going to find this.
[00:57:07] Speaker B: Read this. I have a person at the door right now asking if we're open. Nope.
[00:57:13] Speaker A: Okay, we'll finish up here.
[00:57:15] Speaker B: I just don't. Podcasting. Be right there. Yeah.
[00:57:18] Speaker A: Dick Tracy, three and a half, four stars. So we don't do 0.75, but we're gonna do it right here. 3.75 stars right here between the two of us. It's available on. All of you can buy that. Like I said, you buy it for $3.99. Watch it. It's worth. It's pop culture.
[00:57:33] Speaker B: It's great. It's fun.
[00:57:34] Speaker A: I don't know if it connects at all or has any sort of, like, resemblance to the comic book. I don't know if there's a reason, like, you'd have to watch it to read the comic book, but why not? The comic book comes at the end of the month. You listen to this episode, watch the movie, buy the comic book from Mad Cave Studios.
[00:57:49] Speaker B: Watch the movie, support local creators, support your local comic shop.
[00:57:53] Speaker A: So mad Cave Studios, that comes out at the end of this month, and it'll be a. I don't. I don't know if I think it's a mini series. Pretty sure it's a miniseries. Yeah. And then listen to the episode of with us or me talking with Alex Segura and Michael Morrissey. April 17 about talking about the comic books as well. So cool. Paul, it's always been great to talk to you. Maybe I'll see you again one day.
[00:58:15] Speaker B: Eventually.
[00:58:16] Speaker A: I gotta return two comics.
[00:58:23] Speaker B: I don't even know where to go with this.
[00:58:25] Speaker A: You gave me a bee cover.
[00:58:27] Speaker B: What? No.
[00:58:29] Speaker A: I'm gonna murder my comic book store.
[00:58:31] Speaker B: No way. What was it? And I have no issues. I pulled them.
[00:58:35] Speaker A: Invasive, invasive. Number four was a b cover. And what was the other one? There's another one?
[00:58:42] Speaker B: I'm sure I got an a out front. I'll swap it out.
[00:58:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I know you will. Uh, ease of me if you don't. I'm just gonna do it myself, so it's fine. Um, yeah, but no, I'll be in. I'll be in this week. So we'll. We'll chat and so on. But yeah, Dick Tracy and go to galactic comics and collectibles.com. And I promise we are adding to the website.
[00:59:03] Speaker B: I think that's gonna be my plan for the. The great nor'easter of 2024 here coming is that I'm gonna come in and just add to the website galore. So.
[00:59:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know why we don't plan for this. And we know this is gonna happen in Maine. It's gonna be April. What's that? April 4 is gonna be a snowstorm. It's like six to twelve inches.
[00:59:21] Speaker B: It happens in Maine, but it happens.
[00:59:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:27] Speaker B: Oh.
[00:59:28] Speaker A: Alex Murdoch, sentenced to 40 years in federal prison. Financial crimes. Just CNN. We're breaking news on breaking news.
Thanks, Paul. We'll see you soon. Enjoy the nice weather for release for today. And hopefully you sell a lot of stuff at the comic book shop. Keep it in business.
[00:59:44] Speaker B: Hell yeah. I'm gonna go comic book it up. Yeah.
[00:59:46] Speaker A: See you, Paul.
[00:59:47] Speaker B: See ya.
