Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: We are back for another episode of the Capes and Tights podcast right here on capesandtights.com dot. I'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. Paul Eaton returns for one final episode here on this Star wars week here at the Capesand Tights podcast and capesandtights.com dot. This episode is Return of the Jedi, the third movie in the original trilogy. But before you're listening to this episode, please check us out on Facebook, Instagram, Bluesky, Twitter threads, all those things, as well as rate review, subscribe over on Spotify and Apple podcasts and everywhere you find your podcasts nowadays. Check us out on YouTube as well. This is Paul Eaton of Galactic Comics and collectibles talking the final movie in the original Star wars trilogy, Return of the Jedi, here on capes and tights. Enjoy, everyone.
Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast. Paul, I haven't seen you in so long.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: It has been ages. I should have brought a different shirt.
[00:00:58] Speaker A: So that way I thought about it afterwards. I was like, I could just take your shirt off, change my hat. I changed the color of the lights behind us. We do have different lights behind us. That's blue now. It was red before, if anybody didn't notice. Pick it up. Easter eggs on this thing should have, like, changed the order of the comics back here, right?
[00:01:12] Speaker B: Swap them. I did absolutely nothing. I did nothing.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: Paul, if anybody hasn't listened, we did the first of these recordings, one, two, and three, or, sorry, four, five, six last week, and then we did episodes five and six back to back on the same morning. So if you're not catching on, we did separate it into two different episodes, but, yeah, we're recording at the same time. So Paul hates Star wars. Let's get started.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: Why did you have a guy on your podcast that hates Star wars? You only gave him four and a half stars.
[00:01:45] Speaker A: Luke Skywalker is back. He battles horrible Jabba the Hutt in the cruel Darth Vader to save his comrades of the Rebel alliance. In triumph over the galactic Empire, Han Solo and Princess Leia reaffirmed their love and team up with Chewbacca, land of Calrissian, the Ewoks and Android c three po r aid the destruction of the dark side, defeat the evil empire in Return of the Jedi. Originally titled. Paul, any ideas?
[00:02:13] Speaker B: I knew this once.
[00:02:15] Speaker A: Revenge of the Jedi.
[00:02:17] Speaker B: Yes, Revenge of the Jedi.
[00:02:18] Speaker A: Right prior. And there's a week prior to this release in the theater was called Return. Revenge of the Jedi because they change it.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: Because what revenge was to revenge Jedi, right? That's right. And the. Any material you can find of it that is Revenge of the Jedi is worth, like, a bunch of money. I saw. I saw an episode somewhere where somebody had a director's coat that was Revenge of the Jedi, that it sold for, like, thousands.
[00:02:46] Speaker A: Written by George Lucas. Obviously, we mentioned that, you know, we didn't do a lot of the stuff on the last one, but, you know, we kind of got to it as we went along on episode five of this. This Star wars trilogy directed by Richard Marquand. So it's obviously, again, another director, not the same director as episode five. And I don't know the story behind that. I didn't look up that one.
[00:03:06] Speaker B: Feel that. Like. I feel like you feel that in this.
[00:03:08] Speaker A: Yep. And the exact same star cast like this is identical star cast to the last one.
[00:03:14] Speaker B: Right.
[00:03:14] Speaker A: I mean, you think about it, there's no.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Is there any. Okay, so the.
Oh, I should know his name. The alien that is with Lando on the William Falcon.
[00:03:26] Speaker A: He's another one. Yeah.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: Huge back. Somebody came in here one day, said, that's his favorite. Their favorite character in Star Wars. I was like, really?
[00:03:31] Speaker A: He's in. He's in. He's in. I'm starting out book above that. He's in Han Solo as well, where they meet each other.
[00:03:36] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that. That character is, like, one of the only mainstream, like, main focus characters, I think, that you didn't already know.
[00:03:44] Speaker A: The one that became someone later. He's obviously in Willow and things like that. Warwick Davis was an ewok in this movie, so there's that, too, that he could tell he's a star of this thing. He's actually the only ewok in this movie whose face has expressions. Every other ewok, cost cutting. Cost cutting measures all have the non movable faces, and Warwick Davis is the only one that actually moves. And he took his tongue out. He stick his tongue out through the slit in the. In the mouth. But, yeah.
Yep. It was released in May 25, 1983, and then for $42.7 million. Budget, 11 million. 30 million. 43 million. Spending most money, the second most money, the least money of the trilogy. It's just funny how that works. Like, yeah, but, yeah, it made 482 million in the box office, but again, all this entire Star wars history of Star wars movies and stuff has made $10 billion. So, like, yeah, dropping the budget. But their budget was a drop in the bucket here, but, yeah. So we ended episode five on a cliffhanger, and that's Paul's biggest downside to.
[00:04:52] Speaker B: Episode five, that is probably my only real issue with episode five, besides the cleaning up and seeing Yoda now. But, yeah, my only real issue with that was just the fact that it didn't feel ended. And I feel like this beginning is excellent.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: Oh, so good.
[00:05:06] Speaker B: This is such a good scene. Like, I love the beginning of hoth, and I love being here where we're in Jabba's palace and then the, like, foreshadowing that Luke's coming and all that, and Jabba, like, not really thinking anything of him.
Yeah, I think that the whole scene is great.
[00:05:22] Speaker A: And Princess Leia's dope in this one and multiple rescuing Hannah. Multiple reasons. But we'll get to one of the reasons here in a little bit. But Luke Skywalker is dope in this thing with the whole, like, you know, them coming in badass. Obviously, Archer d two and c three po are big characters in this as well. Seeing Billy Dee Williams as Lando Calrissian in this first opening scene is just great because it's also, I love when he tries to use his Jedi mind tricks on Jabba. And Jabba's like, those aren't going to work on me, dude. What are you thinking here?
[00:05:54] Speaker B: Yeah, that giant slug, apparently he's got. He's a little too strong for that one.
[00:05:57] Speaker A: It shows, like, you know, the gangster that Jabba the Hutt is another character in the Star wars pantheon that has very little screen time, but yet has, like, massive for it.
[00:06:08] Speaker B: They added the whole scene in the first movie with a younger Jabba meeting up with on, and none of that was in the original release. So, like, really? You don't ever you hear about Jabba consistently, I think. But this is the first time you ever see him and.
[00:06:22] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's a proof of a gangster who's just, like, somehow confident badass to the point where, like, he, like, tells people off people and they listen because, like, like, you could easily kill Jabba the high. Like, why are you under his slavery? Like, what's going on here?
[00:06:38] Speaker B: Like, he's a big moves all that quick.
[00:06:41] Speaker A: Well, they have blasters. They have.
[00:06:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:44] Speaker A: Like, the ways to kill these things, obviously, you know, because Princess Leia does a pretty good job on them all, you know, Princess Leia, what some people would consider the. The, you know, the. The lady of. Of the franchise, and she kills him. And so, like, it's not that hard to kill him. So why? It's like, what are sometimes these old gangsters in Boston who are, like, leading these groups of people. And it's like, why are you people just. Just get rid of them?
[00:07:08] Speaker B: Like, yeah, because you have that fear, right? They develop the fear of what could happen to you or what could happen to someone else if you mess with them.
[00:07:15] Speaker A: And so, you know, but that opening scene, you're right.
It's phenomenal. Like, I don't know. It's some of the best.
If you would pick and choose scenes from things. You got hoth in there. You got this. You know, this is one of those ones. It's like, I think.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: I think these two. And probably, for me, the initial run attack on the Death Star in the first movie. Yeah, those are probably my three, like, pinnacle Star wars scenes.
[00:07:42] Speaker A: Like, and I stand corrected, Paul, by the way, I forgot about this. A stand corrected. This Jabba's lair, where they bring c three po down to, like, the basement area with all the other droids. Yeah.
[00:07:55] Speaker B: That is, the droids are, like, getting, like, tortured, really.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: Remember I talked about star tours? That's the cue.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: That's the scene.
[00:08:03] Speaker A: That's because they show that thing with the droid upside down. They're putting the gonk bot and they're.
[00:08:08] Speaker B: Like, branding his feet or something.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: Yeah, really badly made. Such badly made. Like this. Flipping the feet like this. And then.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: All he ever said was gonk. Like that. Literally. I think it's called the gonk droid because it was gonk. And then this one, he's like.
[00:08:29] Speaker A: Yep. The big thing is, this is the movie we mentioned that the CGI is overwhelmingly. Oh, bad compared to where I don't like it.
[00:08:41] Speaker B: Singing unnecessary. I felt like that was another thing.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: Those singing characters. Yeah, it just.
They do the whole, like.
And they like the spit stripping down. It's like, oh, we can make spit dripping now, now. So let's do that. And like, that's where they chose to add things in that don't need to be in there.
[00:08:58] Speaker B: The girls.
[00:08:59] Speaker A: Catchy.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: Yeah, the girls lips there that are really, like, almost like it would have been in the. The 3D when three D first was coming to making a big thing in movies. And you could tell they added stuff solely for the use of using the 3d scenes where the lips come at you and then go away. I felt like was just so unneeded. And it just does not mask.
[00:09:19] Speaker A: Look at the mask from Hume Carrey. Like, it had this, like, weird.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: Which is great in the mask because he's supposed to be a weird cartoon.
[00:09:25] Speaker A: Give it.
[00:09:25] Speaker B: Like, it does not look good in Star wars. And it didn't need to be there. Like, I get the old one look like puppets. And we wanted to expand this scene and we wanted to, but it looks so different.
[00:09:35] Speaker A: It looked like it was layered on top.
[00:09:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it does. It looks like someone drew this stuff and added it to it. And there was, I think, maybe a few practical things added. Like the. The guy playing, like, the drums, he's, like, swinging these and start playing stuff. I don't think any of that stuff was in there, but we definitely had this layover CGI like, animation that is just so unneeded and so poorly.
[00:09:58] Speaker A: It's a drastic.
[00:09:59] Speaker B: This.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: The thing is, if the whole thing was that, like, if the bat, if they took away the entire backdrop and they just change the entire scene, you wipe the whole thing and you put the whole scene, which I don't think they can do because of, like, actors guilds and all that stuff. Because if there's people in the background and did that, then maybe one thing. Cause it's like, okay, the whole thing looks this cohesive. It may not look like the best special effects out there, but at least looks cohesive. This is, like, practical characters back there with this. Like, it's a bad photoshop. Yeah, if that makes any sense. It's like someone taking a completely different lighting and all this just. They didn't have it there.
[00:10:31] Speaker B: It's definitely the only reason any of this was done is because everyone loves the. The scenes of Jabba's palace and the scene of that. So they. They like, well, let's extend this as long as we can. And it's just, it's not like, so.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: Reason why this movie is also the third best, in my opinion, out of all the three. First three. And it's obviously different. A little bit different for you, potentially, but, like, the third, because also the. Some of the practical effects aren't as good in this movie as they are in the other movies, which is also kind of funny because it's way more expensive to make this movie.
But, like, so Jabba has green, like, drool, right? Yeah. There's very little amount on his face and on his body. Then he hits r or, sorry, rc three pu out of the way. And c three comes out with a. With a splash of green slime here. A splash here. Like, where did that slime come from? And why is it only in two spots on his body did he land in it?
[00:11:26] Speaker B: He's always got his hand in that bucket, like, eating those things, maybe, but.
[00:11:28] Speaker A: Did he land any, you think maybe he fell over? He wasn't actually hitting land that's where he came in.
[00:11:34] Speaker B: Actually emit this, like, a giant slug.
[00:11:37] Speaker A: But we don't.
[00:11:39] Speaker B: I'm sure. I'm sure somewhere there's an answer to.
[00:11:40] Speaker A: This, probably, but that slime is actually, like, a degreaser. Stuff that mechanics used on their. On their hands to, like, get. Get oil off the hands. And it actually removed the. The tarnish or the silverness of c three pos armor. They had to put it back on, so they put it. Oh, this is cool.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: Look at this.
[00:11:56] Speaker A: And they did it. And they're, like, cheap and easy, and then they pull it off, like, oh, shit. Now we got to refinish.
[00:12:01] Speaker B: Now we have days of work ahead of us to try to get this redone again.
[00:12:04] Speaker A: It took six people, Paul, six people to work. Jabba the hide.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: He's big. I mean, he's right.
[00:12:10] Speaker A: Took jobs away from american working people.
[00:12:14] Speaker B: I mean, one guy created the job.
[00:12:16] Speaker A: Of the hut digitally.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: And it's funny because, well, Yoda looked like a puppet. I think a lot of you looks like puppet because he's small in his movements. Yeah. Jabba does not look like a puppet. The practical effects on Jabba, he looks giant aliens. Big, nasty looking alien. You can almost imagine what he. Like, what the smells like being around him and everything.
[00:12:35] Speaker A: Like. Like one person in the tail.
[00:12:36] Speaker B: Little ones look like he's got that little.
[00:12:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:39] Speaker B: Camera with this series from.
[00:12:42] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:12:42] Speaker B: Right. Serious girl.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: No. Yeah.
[00:12:45] Speaker B: Like, it looks. It looks like a Jim had some puppet.
[00:12:48] Speaker A: It could be in. It could be in Christmas Carol. It could be the rat.
[00:12:50] Speaker B: Yeah, it could have. Yeah, yeah. It could have been the Christmas Carolyn. He could have popped up in the background, for sure. Yeah.
[00:12:57] Speaker A: Brother. That's his brother.
[00:12:58] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Rizzo.
[00:13:01] Speaker A: Yeah, it's Rizzo's brother.
[00:13:03] Speaker B: Rizzo, man, your family did make it big.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: Like the rat. Not let the lamp, not the rat. Let the lamp, not the rat.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: Like the lamp, not the rat.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: Best part of that movie. And that's that. Not that part. But, like, the best part of that movie is those the narration between the two of those people?
[00:13:16] Speaker B: Yes, absolutely.
[00:13:17] Speaker A: That's why it's the best Christmas Carol.
But, yeah, there's, like, a person in the tail moving the tail. There's a person moving his mouth. There's a person, like, doing the eyes. It's a bunch. There's, like, cheek people, and it's all working in tandem to make it work, and that's what's so cool. And I think that's why people respected these movies a lot more than the original trilogy or the prequel trilogy is because it felt like there was a lot more physical. Like, how do we make this work? How do we, like, duct tape things together to make things work? How do we reverse the footage to make it look like you're, like you're doing. How do you like this? Tricks and tips and things that make things work in Hollywood that nowadays are just replaced with CGI, which seems like a. It's a cool, modern way, easy way to do it, but it seems like it's the easy way out and, like, the cheap way out in a sense.
[00:14:05] Speaker B: Yeah. And so way less expensive. Like, nowadays with technology, it's gotta be way less expensive to do that than to have to build these sets, build these creatures. So, like, the scenes of the rank are moving. Even back when I was a kid, didn't look.
[00:14:18] Speaker A: No.
[00:14:18] Speaker B: Right. Because they. I think they did a little CGI.
Yeah. And then the scenes of the practical rancor where it's, like, dead. Yeah, that looks really good.
[00:14:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:29] Speaker B: Like, when the guy comes running, I was, like, crying. The doors, Luke crushed it with the door. But the. The rain car scenes of it moving didn't look all that good as a kid. Like, I, watching it when I was eight or 9 hours or whatever, was eleven, I was like, that looks kind of hokey, but because you have.
[00:14:44] Speaker A: You have six people.
[00:14:46] Speaker B: The people make it school to think that Jabba has this trap door and this giant monster under there that eats stuff, and he's like, that's his entertainment.
[00:14:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:55] Speaker B: Like, you piss him off, he's going to watch you get eaten.
[00:14:57] Speaker A: And it's always funny, too, about gangsters who are really like, okay. I'm like, no, I have the money. Let me go get it. No, I'm going to kill you now. So you'd rather kill the person than get the money that they have? How about get the money then kill them?
[00:15:08] Speaker B: Right?
[00:15:09] Speaker A: Like, this whole thing, it's like, I was literally on my way to get you the money. Something happened, but I have it. Let me get it for you. Nope. Yeah, screw you.
[00:15:17] Speaker B: I don't care.
[00:15:18] Speaker A: Yeah, how do you. How do you rule an employee? It's like, imagine how many people, like, owe you money for, like, back issues that are there, like, no, I'm gonna kill you instead.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: Wait, I'm not worried about money.
[00:15:26] Speaker A: I can't pay bills with them.
[00:15:29] Speaker B: I'm gonna show corpse. I'm gonna show the rest of you what it's like if you don't pick up your polis on time.
[00:15:33] Speaker A: It's like someone in carbonate, in your. In your front.
Pay your. Pay your bill. You know, like, fill up the pictures of people walking on tabs and stuff like that. Like, there's a picture, but, yeah, think about it.
[00:15:44] Speaker B: That is when I'm officially made it to a badass level. When I. When I freeze people in carbonite, they haven't paid their fullest.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: Be fun. Just to do. To get, like, someone's body, your don's body in one and put it up there and be like, is that Han Solo? Nope, that's a customer who didn't pay his polis.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:15:59] Speaker A: Had it actually be, like, a fake thing in the room.
You get your big store, right? Yep. But, yeah, you think about it. It's cheaper because, like, the special effects of doing. It's probably. I mean, when. So the guy who created the special effects of Jurassic park, of the actual, like, Trex, the special effects part of it, like, the CGI part of T Rex. It's one guy, right? Working on a computer, doing the things to make Java is probably one guy making that CGI, doing the computer work.
[00:16:24] Speaker B: Yeah, maybe a couple people in this.
[00:16:26] Speaker A: Six people in the suit. Then someone had to make it, then.
[00:16:31] Speaker B: Touching it up constantly.
[00:16:32] Speaker A: This is not, like, you know, volunteers that you have coming in to do it. These people have to get paid a minimum salary. It's like, there's a guild of these things and all that stuff. So, like, it's definitely more expensive to do with practical effects, but to me, practical in the moment in the lighting they have and the people that are there looks so much more realistic than the fake guy. So, like, jabba in this looked much.
[00:16:52] Speaker B: Better than the jabba in they added into the new hope.
Like, definitely the job of the new hope. Look like a cartoon character they drew on and stuck there versus.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: And that's why I think that's one of the.
One of the few positive things people say about the sequel trilogy is the fact that JJ and Ryan, all them, went back to doing a lot more practical effects. And which was better. Like, they did. Obviously, some special effects, like, the lightsabers, look way better now, which is so much better than they did then. Yeah, they're so much better.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: Yeah, makes sense.
[00:17:22] Speaker A: And so that's better. But, like, that part of it ruins that opening scene for me. Like, I wish they would have just left it in.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: Yeah, we did.
Yeah, we did not. We did not need that whole opening, like, extra singing, extra, like, junk just they saw. That's the only way to describe it.
[00:17:44] Speaker A: The best part about the opening scene there.
No. Best part for no, but here's the deal. A lot of people from 1983, so if you were born, let's say, in 1973 or 1970, you're one of your first real serious crushes on screen is Princess Leia, right? These people who see this guy, this woman, like, seven. You're seven. 8910, 1112 years old right around that time, in that age, and you see Princess Leia on screen, and she's just, like, a warrior princess person who, like, fights and shoots lightsaber or shoots blasters and is, like, awesome.
[00:18:22] Speaker B: Kills her.
[00:18:22] Speaker A: And then you get to the third movie, and she's in that outfit. You don't tell me that a lot of 14 year old kids wearing that are like, oh, my God. Pause.
That section of that tape is worn out on a lot of, like, you know, younger 14 year old vhs tapes because they put it in there. And it's one of those things. In honesty, Lily, why do you need.
[00:18:40] Speaker B: Another copy of Star wars?
[00:18:43] Speaker A: The what's her name?
Carrie Fisher didn't have a problem as much of being in the slay Leah costume, except for the fact that she was very self conscious of the way she looked and the idea that she already was being told that she needed to lose some weight, basically, to be this character. And then she had to put this outfit on. So it was a little bit of a body image shaming thing in this stuff. I tell you right now, she looked beautiful in it. So if she ever thinks she didn't, rest in peace, Carrie. Carrie Fisher. But you looked beautiful in that outfit, so I will not guarantee it wasn't necessary. We didn't need it. That's the thing. No, but.
[00:19:18] Speaker B: No, it showed Jabba and how disgusting he is, right?
[00:19:21] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: Basically the short and long of it.
[00:19:23] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:23] Speaker B: And that's the thing with the beginning with the. The green dancer that he drops in the rancor.
[00:19:28] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:29] Speaker B: Is that it shows how disgusting he is. Jabba is a disgusting, disgusting creature.
And I guarantee to this day.
What do you think? On Halloween, there's got to be, like, a.
[00:19:42] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: A thousand Princess Leia bikini costumes out there, like, every single year. Thousands and thousands. Like, that's how iconic this thing has become.
[00:19:51] Speaker A: So we're telling everybody right now, this is recording, and we're actually releasing this after Star Wars Day and after free Comic book day. But for next year's Star wars day, if anybody out there has a triple xl, a slave layer costume, we have a person who needs to wear. His name is Garrett.
[00:20:09] Speaker B: Oh, right.
[00:20:10] Speaker A: I mean, double triple xl. Probably not double. I mean, it's got to fail a little bit. There's a little bit of a pusher for the push in there.
[00:20:17] Speaker B: Nobody. Nobody.
[00:20:18] Speaker A: Oh, no, please don't. No one.
But it's just kind of funny.
[00:20:22] Speaker B: It's.
[00:20:22] Speaker A: And it's funny. Slave layer is like a statement. It's a term. It's a thing. People know about it. I've seen Star wars, like slavery.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: That's what you define that as the slave Leia.
[00:20:32] Speaker A: The best part is, I work at a college town, Paul. Right. My day job. And when I was managing the bar, some people did come in on Halloween party as slave Leah, who were barely 21 at the time. And I'm thinking to myself, did you just Google sexy costumes? And this is one of the ones that came up, because there's no way. This person is not no way. There's very unlikely chance that this person watched Return of the Jedi and was like, oh, I should dress up as return for Halloween costume.
[00:21:02] Speaker B: That was a normal Halloween store. And they were like, oh, look at this one. I'm gonna do this. Which I also cannot imagine in Maine.
[00:21:10] Speaker A: Yes. No.
[00:21:11] Speaker B: Why you wanted costume. You're wearing this bikini in October, Maine.
[00:21:16] Speaker A: You know how cold our bar is, too. It's in a concrete.
[00:21:19] Speaker B: Crushing.
Yeah. It's freezing.
[00:21:23] Speaker A: She get it for the attention, all that stuff and all. Here's the deal.
She wore it. She looked good.
Both people, Carrie Fisher and this other person that wore it on our bar. But, yeah, it's kind of funny how that's, like, an iconic moment she has.
[00:21:36] Speaker B: It is going to be an iconic piece of buns.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: Right. Her buns.
[00:21:40] Speaker B: Buns in the slave Leia.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: And having her in a white outfit with a gun.
[00:21:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:45] Speaker A: Is a very common thing in enslavement.
[00:21:46] Speaker B: Like, that's her biggest, most remembered, probably parts of it. And I think slave Leia's, like, image is probably an iconic Star wars image. Like, one of the top ten Star wars images. You. You get a slave Leia.
[00:22:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:00] Speaker B: Like, once again, shows what a badass Leia is. Because she kills Jabba.
[00:22:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:05] Speaker B: Everyone else. No one else. Nobody else even dared to kill Jabba. They're all afraid of him. And she's like, I'm killing this damn thing.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: I remember correctly, she's still wearing the slave lady suit when she kills.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, she gets the sick, like, flip over and choke him out. Yeah. With the chains.
[00:22:19] Speaker A: And that's a fat neck there, buddy.
[00:22:22] Speaker B: Yeah, he's. He's a big boy.
[00:22:24] Speaker A: That's a powerful thing. And not ha.
[00:22:26] Speaker B: Not all stuff. Not using the force. No. No, Leia. Just like, I am killing this slug. Look at what he's done to me. And screw this guy.
[00:22:33] Speaker A: But that's also interesting. Now, the trilogy here is what I also give credit to George Lucas. He was somewhat ahead of his time in the sense that she was a hero, too. She wasn't.
[00:22:44] Speaker B: She wasn't just eye candy.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: Started out as damsel in distress. Like, she started out that way because obviously.
[00:22:48] Speaker B: But even in that. Even in the opening thing of her being damsel in distress, she back talks Vader. Yeah, she has a blaster. She's shooting at the stormtroopers when they're trying to rescue her.
[00:23:00] Speaker A: You're right. She's not just a hopeless woman sitting there.
[00:23:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Leia's always been a badass character.
[00:23:05] Speaker A: Don't break a nail kind of thing. It's literally.
[00:23:07] Speaker B: That's a great part of Star wars. She's the princess. Like, oh, we're gonna go rescue the princess. And Han's like, this is the princess?
[00:23:13] Speaker A: Like, yeah, it's the. Is it Shrek when you just call it.
[00:23:17] Speaker B: She just called me a loser, basically, when they first meet, like, off the bat.
[00:23:22] Speaker A: Well, that's the thing, is, like, she's a bad point.
I feel like they could have easily made the main woman character in this movie. And here's the deal. The downside is that. That she's the only main woman character. So there's no, like. But, like. Like, not even one of the. I don't know. Just. Yeah, but, um, you couldn't even make, like, the Wookiee woman. But, yeah, the. The. She's a main character, and she's a badass main character. That is just as detrimental to the plot line or just as, you know, positive to the plot line as anybody else.
[00:23:53] Speaker B: And I don't think in its time of Star wars, that, like, girl power was necessarily a common trend.
And here's Leia, like, leading the way the character.
[00:24:05] Speaker A: And so, like, so when people say is, like, phenomenal, we're so pumped that, you know, they have a strong, independent female character. And Reynolds coming into this new sequel trilogy. Like, we had that from the beginning.
[00:24:18] Speaker B: Yeah, Leia's way better than Ray. Sorry.
[00:24:20] Speaker A: But, yeah, she's super lame. And that's. I don't understand. Like, we had. Why are we not telling people that Leia is that strong character you should be watching, looking into?
[00:24:28] Speaker B: I would much rather watch. And I, you know, it's horrible to have, like, a recasting or something, but if you had a young actress that you could be like, oh, this looks like Leia. I'd much rather watch a Leia story and stuff about her becoming a general in her leading battles and stuff. I'd much rather have that. Like, you got the princess Leia comic in the back. I'd rather Leia. I don't care.
[00:24:49] Speaker A: You could easily do it, Paul, because you could just have Billie Lord, her daughter, be a young Leia would be great.
[00:24:56] Speaker B: Yeah, it'd be awesome. I would much rather watch that. Yeah.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: That's so funny. I was like, I never understood that. It wasn't like we didn't have it. It's not like all of a sudden, it wasn't like it was everybody minus Princess Leia and the original trilogy. They're like, well, we didn't have any women, so now we have to do this. In the sequel trilogy, it's like, no, they had it. They had strong. But they had strong characters in the prequel trilogy, too, with, you know, like, darth Padme is a strong character, too, very much.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: Leia, she. Yes, she's a princess, and she's.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: I never saw that. I never understood that.
[00:25:29] Speaker B: She's out there fighting. She's leading the rebellion.
And that's the thing with Leia. Like, I feel like my favorite Star wars characters were Vader because I thought he was cool and interesting. And then I always loved, like, r two is brave. Like, the door opens, three pos wigging out there at the beginning, and r two is just, like, right into Jabba's palace. Yeah, like, that's what he's doing. And same thing with, like, all the battle scenes. R two s going for it. And then I always loved Leia and, like, then Han and Chewie. And honestly, I'm going to throw it out here, folks, for. Paul hates Star Wars. I don't like Luke Skywalker.
[00:26:03] Speaker A: No, there's no. He's a pompous. He's. He's. He's not pompous, but he's just. Yes, you're right. Yeah, he's a kid.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: I thought he, you know, Luke's Luke, but I don't. Yeah, I'd much rather follow all the.
[00:26:19] Speaker A: But I think the best part about this movie is that there isn't a star of these movies. Like, that's one of those things. It's like. It's like Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, those three people, mainly, if you don't count the inanimate. I see inanimate people. The people you don't see, like, Chewbacca and R for those three people, Chewie. And then you add in, and add in Darth Vader. It's like, those are the main characters in this movie. There's not like, even though Luke has the most on screen time, followed by Leia, it's still one of those things that they're so it's like, honestly, Harry Potter in a sense, where it's like the Harry Potter is the main character of that story, but is it really Harry, Hermione and what's his favorite, Ron? They're the main characters altogether. It's not this whole, like, there's not a single person, even though this was called Harry Potter. It's like they wouldn't, the movies wouldn't exist without the other.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: Harry wouldn't have been able to do it without Hermione and Ron. Luke wouldn't be able to do it without Hawie and the rest of them.
[00:27:13] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's like, it's really cool.
[00:27:15] Speaker B: If you put Luke out there by himself. Like, Vader's got him in like ten minutes. Problem solved. All right? The whole movie's over.
There is no trilogy, no hope. Vader either a, gets him or b, kills him, whatever. He joins the dark side. Because he doesn't. I don't know. Yeah, it is funny because I do have. I do have a customer friend of mine that comes in that loves Luke. Like, Lucas is Lucas's focus, Lucas's guy. Luke's eternally good. He hates the new movies because of what they did to Luke Skywalker, and they changed him. And I just don't get the Luke love, personally.
[00:27:50] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess.
[00:27:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:51] Speaker A: I mean, he's.
He's. It's so weird. Did anybody ever know, and Paul mentioned this before, that the Joker played Luke Skywalker?
[00:27:59] Speaker B: Yeah, it's weird.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:01] Speaker B: And that's a good sign right there that you can't trust Luke Skywalker. He's a joke.
[00:28:04] Speaker A: But, guys, this movie has a heart in it, too, which is great. Where you have, again, Luke and Leia as siblings, coming to find out that they're siblings in this movie. I was just always funny. He didn't just say it right. Do you mean like, he wasn't just like. He's like, oh, I've got something to tell you. And then he's like. I'm like, just say it. Just say, yeah. Which reminds me of, like, the Guardians, the Galaxy holiday special, you know, spoiler alert. So anybody hasn't seen it when Mantis says that she's, she's Star Lord's sister. And it's like, this is a very similar conversation. I feel like I've seen this in a. In a Disney.
[00:28:43] Speaker B: Yeah, it seems a little familiar, these characters being related.
[00:28:47] Speaker A: And I was like, oh, interesting. This is weird.
[00:28:49] Speaker B: But I mean, by the way, into comics. No, that's fine.
[00:28:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
But the idea that they had their friendship still, you know, and then becoming siblings and knowing they were siblings, but then Han and Leia, you know, doing their thing and having their, uh, relationship going together, uh, r with their banter still on this whole thing, the. The dynamics of now Luke knowing that Darth Vader is his dad and knowing he's gonna have to face him and knowing what he's gonna have to do to him, and then his dad, Darth Vader, being. Having a change of heart, obviously, and pushing, you know, what's his face over the upper. Over the, uh, over the side. And it's like, it's such a great, fitting end to this trilogy, in my opinion. In that sense of this part of the movie is having all of that encompassing again. Like I mentioned in the second movie, there's a lot of form, a lot of things I like to see in Star wars movie in episode five that also are in this. There's just some small things that I don't like as much. The ewoks are weird. I like them.
I think they're weird. I think it's a creepy as well. Thing is, a lot of them, it's, like, weird how they, like.
[00:29:55] Speaker B: I feel like the ewoks were 100% in this to get kids to like, what's like, sell e walk merch. Like, we're gonna sell you walk merch. We're gonna make any walk cartoon, which they did. We're gonna sell you walk. Actually, there's an ewok.
[00:30:10] Speaker A: Freaking weird. People just let you know.
[00:30:11] Speaker B: I just don't. I don't like the walks.
[00:30:13] Speaker A: No. But I also feel bad for a Paul. So you have.
[00:30:18] Speaker B: You feel bad for him? Definitely.
[00:30:19] Speaker A: You have these guys, these walks who get tricked basically into helping them because.
[00:30:24] Speaker B: They think that is very, like, um, secluded. Yeah. And they don't have technology.
[00:30:32] Speaker A: No. And they see this r 2d or three c three po. And they think he's a God. And they trick them into thinking he's a God. Right. They basically convince him, and then they go to help them, and they get massacre.
[00:30:44] Speaker B: Oh. Left and right. Yeah. They're dead. He walks all over the place, and there's like, no, you know, what is the way it should be in that fact that these little teddy bears are not going to do a hell of a lot against an ATs team like they do. You show them, you know, they manage to use the logs and crush one and whatever, but overall, you know, their. Their rocks in spears and stuff are not going to do a hell of a lot against stormtroopers.
All right, so where did the dress come from? I got this. It's so funny. I got this morning, I'd forgotten all about it again. And then the meme pops up. If they already had a dress for Leia, that means they killed and ate someone that had the same dress size as Leia.
[00:31:28] Speaker A: Right?
[00:31:28] Speaker B: Like, where'd this dress come from?
[00:31:30] Speaker A: Uh, you know, she's headed her backpack pocket.
[00:31:33] Speaker B: Yeah. She carried her on this dress for case she had a formal meeting with some teddy bears. I want to look. I want to look my princessian best here. Should I happen to run into any weird races that I need to impress and have a fire.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: Yeah, basically that's what someone says. Someone said online, the Ewoks were able to give Leia this dress because they had previously eaten another woman of her.
[00:31:54] Speaker B: Size, which is what these things are. Right? They're. They're like borderline, like, prehistoric creatures. They're not.
[00:32:00] Speaker A: They are because they try to eat them. Obviously. They have Han Solo on the spit. Like, they have him. Like getting.
[00:32:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:32:07] Speaker A: Get saved by C three Po and his mysterious powers that nobody. I just love this also. One of those things, too, is like, okay, you're stuck in this thing. He can't use his force powers to untie the knots. Sorry, but you have to do this whole arbitrary, like, weird, obscure thing to do is that they untie it for you. I guess if you just untied the knots yourself, you'd have to fight them yourselves, then you're fighting this way.
He's using more cleverness.
[00:32:35] Speaker B: So if the force works on weak minded, these guys aren't very intelligent, are they? Just so dumb. That doesn't work on them.
[00:32:42] Speaker A: Well, maybe it's because, like, Aquaman argument.
[00:32:44] Speaker B: I don't talk to fish. Yes, like, fish don't talk. The idea, like, you can't manipulate the Ewoks in their minds because they don't. They're not smart enough to be manipulated.
[00:32:51] Speaker A: Because I don't know if they're not smart enough because they don't have a wider range of knowledge because they're only on this planet, you know, like this.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: Little planet that they live in. This. Yeah, they live in this jungle or forest or whatever. It's more of a forest, sort of.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, they're cute and cuddle.
[00:33:06] Speaker B: You're right there.
[00:33:06] Speaker A: But the grogu was only created basically for stuff, the animal stuff. Like, I mean, practically.
[00:33:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:11] Speaker A: Yeah. So, like, they made a bunch of money off these ewoks. So the Ewok cartoon, everybody do not watch it is creepiest. All hell.
[00:33:19] Speaker B: Comic books don't watch the cartoon.
[00:33:21] Speaker A: The best part about that scene and being there is, again, a different environment, a different character. They could have used any device are awesome. Yep. The fights through the trees are amazing.
[00:33:31] Speaker B: Super cool.
[00:33:34] Speaker A: Always having a fail is a weakness to everything that the Empire has. There's always some sort of weakness somewhere that they could exploit.
[00:33:44] Speaker B: What makes sense for that when you start getting into Star wars or makes sense that is rogue one, where you find out how many people are employed by the imperial government that don't want to. They're afraid. They're afraid of something. So they're like, oh, if I leave a back door in this, somebody might be able to fix it later. Somebody might be able to stop these people. I can't do anything about it. I'm scared they're gonna kill my family. They're gonna whatever my. They'll wipe out a whole race. They don't care, you know? So I started getting a little bit more. The more Star wars I've built and read and stuff. I understand that. But, yeah, it is funny how there's always something so sort of we.
[00:34:22] Speaker A: Here's the other part of it. In the first one day, first review of these movies was they had a Death Star.
They blew it up.
They didn't go, let's change our thought. Let's do something different. They're just like, let's build another Death Star. And that, to me, is, like, weird writing. Like, it seems like you can't come up with another original idea that you're like, okay, let's just call the Death Star.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: I guess it was like, that was the scary thing in the first one. What are you gonna do?
So they were like, all right, let's get it back there again. Let's have that scary moment again. It's like, anytime you see Vader, you know, walking at you, what are you gonna do? It's terrifying, you know, him stepping out of the shadows, whatever. Same idea. Sort of like, oh, God, not another one.
Like, but they got some results.
[00:35:08] Speaker A: They got enough built that the rebellion isn't trying to blow this thing up or kill this thing prior. Like, it just seems like a weird thing they got that far into it's not like they're starting to build the structure of this death Star. They're on, like, the core middle part, and they're not, like, shooting blasters at it to try to build it seems like they got it to a point where it's like, okay, you can actually be almost on it right now again, and we're gonna blow it up. It just seems weird that they go that far again with it, but, yeah, it just seems like it could have been something different. Couldn't be some sort of other size shape.
[00:35:37] Speaker B: Yeah. They didn't try to build another giant, like, like, star destroyer style ship, square.
[00:35:41] Speaker A: One technology, like a triangle, a diamond, something different out there. Like, obviously, the rules of space don't exist in Star wars. It's not like that matters.
[00:35:50] Speaker B: There's a lot of stuff exploding and making noises in space.
[00:35:53] Speaker A: Yeah, but, yeah, so it's kind of funny how, like, they just did it again. I just felt like it was like a cop out was like, okay, it works so well in a new hope. Let's just do it again. And in return of the Jedi that.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: I have with Return of the Jedi, that I think I've always had, return of the Jedi, even as a kid, is that it doesn't feel like one unison movie. Yeah, it sort of feels like two separate. You have all the space stuff with Luke up here, and then you have what's going on on the planet, and it's nice to have different things going on in different environments. But I feel like, it feels like you're watching two movies that just kind of got stuck into one.
[00:36:25] Speaker A: It almost feels like, you know, like, on a tv show when they have, like, okay, so, like, season one of a tv show is usually the group of people following along.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: Like.
[00:36:33] Speaker A: Like Walking Dead, for example. I would give that example. Like, season one was, like, Rick and trying to find his family, and then the only other point of view you had was the family in Atlanta and stuff like that. And then there's the two of them coming together to meet. And then for the first or second season, it's like, just these people moving along.
[00:36:50] Speaker B: Right.
[00:36:50] Speaker A: But then you get to season nine or ten, and you have a ton of cast members and a ton of different storylines going on. That doesn't single episode. Like, a single episode is just focuses on Rick and a single episode that just focuses on Michonne. And this is, like, the same thing in this thing where it's like, there's just moments. There's so many people going on, so much story going on that they have to just do, okay, this is one storyline we're gonna do, and they're not together. They can't be on the scene at the same time, because if they do, then they have to. It's just budget crisis galore. And so, like, yeah, you're right. It does seem like it's two different things that's trying to figure out what's going on.
[00:37:22] Speaker B: You have Luke on the Death Star, and you have them still trying to battle on Endor.
[00:37:27] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:37:27] Speaker B: And it just doesn't feel very cohesive. And as a kid and still as an adult, I gotta tell you, I feel like the Emperor Luke scenes are boring as sin.
They are super dull. Luke standing there, he's staring out.
Then, no, no. Five minutes later, we've going around, and we're back to Luke moping or looking like Batman brooding over the city and the emperor in the back.
[00:37:54] Speaker A: To me, personally, all that power seems nice. The Jedi power, right? The Jedi power seems dope. And I can look like Luke Skywalker.
[00:38:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:01] Speaker A: Or I can join the dark side, get a little bit more power, but look like the emperor.
[00:38:05] Speaker B: I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah. Nothing gonna make me want to join more than a creepy old guy with.
[00:38:11] Speaker A: Frail white hands, like Darth Vader in that mask. Like, do I get a mask like that?
[00:38:15] Speaker B: Dope? I want to do that.
[00:38:17] Speaker A: Seeing this old grandpa the emperor, pulling.
[00:38:19] Speaker B: Up a van out front. Come in and join us. You're going to be like, no, I don't think so. I think I'm good. You know, I'll stick with the little green guy I used to follow around. That seems better. Yeah, the little. The little green guy with the big ears that lived 700 years. I can live with going out, living in a swamp. That seems fine. It's better than this alternative.
[00:38:38] Speaker A: So we mentioned Fox and getting greedy about the fact that they fired the dude because they didn't make as much money. It seems like that situation right here on the screen, which is like, you could have power, but if you want more, you can have more. It's just really bad. And so it's like one of those things. It's like, it'd be like if I said to you, you can have the force powers tomorrow and be a good guy, or I can give you more power and be a bad guy. You'd probably be like, well, good guy sounds like a better. I probably should do that. I can lift things. I can change people's mind. Weak minded people change their mind. I can lift things. I'll just do that. That sounds like a much more cool idea. I still get a lightsaber. Cool. Oh, it's green, not red. I'm sorry. Okay, that's fine.
[00:39:17] Speaker B: You just shoot lasers from your hands.
[00:39:18] Speaker A: I mean, it could be purple. It could be purple.
[00:39:21] Speaker B: Could be purple. Yes. Because nothing is cooler than mace. Wanda's purple saber. I got to tell you right now, like, I. Star wars is iconic, right? If I had all the room for stuff, I would have a lightsaber hang on my wall because it's cool. And it would be mace wanders. It would be purple. Yeah. This one, dude. It's cool. A purple lightsaber. Yeah.
[00:39:40] Speaker A: Mark Bernardin. Um, the, uh. Yes.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: So this is who doesn't love Samuel Jackson? Like, hell. Yeah.
[00:39:46] Speaker A: I feel like. But at the end of this, they did wrap it up enough to make it a ending. That is.
[00:39:53] Speaker B: You finish the movie and you feel satisfied.
[00:39:56] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:39:57] Speaker B: You feel satisfied. They got a big party going on. The Death stars gone. The emperor's toast. Luke reconciled with his father. His father has apparently become good because the Anakin space ghost comes out like he's.
[00:40:09] Speaker A: Well, that. So that. That is anything. If you went back to the original films for all of them except for that change where they put the space go or the force ghosts in there of Hayden Christensen, I think it's great because it makes it so those people who are younger generation who go, wait and trying to connect the pieces together.
[00:40:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:28] Speaker A: And they're trying to figure this out and, like, okay, that makes sense because this character was able to put in this, and that's the one way they've been able to keep Jedi alive, in a sense. Like, they could kill off Jedi, but because of the Force ghost, they can actually use them in, you know, future movies.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that'd be a solid. Is that you live eternally if you are good, if you're truly a good person. Although I makes you wonder about Anakin, how he manages to come back from some of the stuff he's done.
[00:40:51] Speaker A: Well, I. Seeing that in the movie at the end and seeing, oh, my gosh. They were able to, like, continue.
[00:40:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:55] Speaker A: Full circle and put Hayden Christensen in the movie was really cool. And to see that now that, like, someone like Hayden Christensen is now in the credits for a movie with me before he was born, it's pretty funny. Like, it's just, like, a funny thing to think about. Or it might have been like, seeing that. Like, that's a cool thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a. That was a cool addition, but, yes, the scene, the force goes. Everything seems like it's tidied up, ready to go. He was actually. He was two years old when this movie was made, so I just looked it up. But, yeah, so, like, the idea that things are tied up like a nice bow that you didn't need anymore. And again, I'm gonna say to you right now, Paul, again, I'll reiterate it. I'm happy with all the Star wars shit that I have out right now. Like, the fact that I have a Mason new comic book on my back wall over here, like, the fact that we have tv shows coming out like the acolyte this summer.
[00:41:43] Speaker B: Books forever. Books forever.
[00:41:45] Speaker A: And those things. I'm so pumped about that suspicion.
[00:41:48] Speaker B: A human being could not read all the Star wars books that are out there. It's.
[00:41:51] Speaker A: People have. Dude, it's insane. I just don't, because, I mean, there's a lot.
[00:41:55] Speaker B: There is a problem with Star wars material.
[00:41:57] Speaker A: How many are there is. The problem is, I've tried to read for Star Wars Week, we're doing a couple of reviews. We're doing quest for the Hidden City, which is a high Republic book called Quest for the Hidden City. We did this one, which is technically the first in the chronological order of high Republic, but it came out like they did it. The same thing they did volume one, or, like, phase one, phase two, and then phase three went as a prequel.
[00:42:22] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:42:23] Speaker A: And so, like, there's this, like, different back and forth things. And we also did Battle of Jeddah, which is a first audiobook audio drama that was then actually put into a book as well. But then I was gonna do light of the Jedi. I think I'm gonna do light of the Jedi, which is Charles Soules book, which is the first one that ever came down. But again, it's now in the middle because of the way they released it.
And then I read air of the Empire. I'm like, I can't. I don't know if I could read anymore. It's just so much. And there's so similar.
You mean, like, there just. It's just.
[00:42:51] Speaker B: There's only so much you can do. I mean, yes, there is a bajillion Star wars characters, and all of these characters that you see in the film for an 8th of a second now have a huge plot, because this is what we've written in, and they've done a good job of saying that you have to stick to a canon story arc in a line. You can't just write Star wars stories for at a whim.
So that's a great part of Star wars lore and build if you love the property.
[00:43:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:19] Speaker B: But yeah, it starts be, you keep. There isn't anything that's gonna be that different. Eventually it's all gonna be so on.
[00:43:27] Speaker A: A normal speed, I could probably read this in, you know, a couple of days. Okay. If I just read what I'm on the toilet when I'm going to bed, wake up in the morning, you know, if I wait for the poop reader, if I wait for the boil to water, the water to boil, I'm making pasta for dinner. If I read a few pages, that kind of thing, get it done. But I have 21 and I don't have all of them. I'm still missing two or three of them. There's 21 full length novels to my right over here from the high Republic. So in all likelihood, when we get movies to these things, they're going to pull characters from these. They're not going to pull the stories from them, like, most likely because the way that it works in Star wars, this is actually part of canon. And they're not going to be like, we're going to adapt quest for the hidden city because that doesn't make any sense because everything that happens is in here. They're going to add to it. They're going to add a movie that comes before or after it or around it or something along those lines, in all likelihood, I'm not, can't promise that, but that's it. But say these were all adapted. That's 21 movies, Paul.
[00:44:20] Speaker B: 21.
[00:44:20] Speaker A: If you think about it, like, how much you have to pay attention to and take care of in the nine trilogy movies and the two solo movies that came out and then the tv shows on Disney, plus all that stuff, if you added 22 more or 21 more movies, that's so much more. And that's not including your legacy stuff and your air of the Empire, like you mentioned. And so, like, some of them are going to eerily, be eerily close. Some of them are going to be obscure that you don't care about as much. So it's like, it's a lot of information to take in, I think anything.
[00:44:48] Speaker B: Like anything that way, if it gets.
[00:44:49] Speaker A: However, the fact that they're there and then I can read them is phenomenal, in my opinion. And that's where this whole comes all comes down to. It's like, I do not like the sequel trilogies that much, but however, I will watch them because it's the Mark Hamill's in it, Carrie Fisher's in it r is in it. You know, they're there.
[00:45:07] Speaker B: I guess that helps. All right, cuz I'm going with my favorite thing, right?
[00:45:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:11] Speaker B: Robocop.
[00:45:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:12] Speaker B: I watch Robocop one. I watch Robocop two. I'm done not watching Robocop three, just cuz it's out there and I'm not watching the new Robocop. Just gets out there.
[00:45:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:20] Speaker B: But then I do feel like, man, I wish there was more. Right? Like, and I. I read. I have read, I think, all of the Robocop comics. There aren't that many, but that's it. So with Star wars, you can. You can Star wars your whole life. You could not even really repeat that much of it, I wouldn't think.
[00:45:35] Speaker A: And if you feel like, okay, I want to read something like this has no connection at all to the Tsaiwalker saga, but this all came before it. And so, like, Skywalker is not even like a glimmer in his dad's eye.
And so the idea that. And then you have things that are after things that happen in between, like the thrawn trilogy for Timothy Zahn, happens in between the 6th movie and the 7th movie. And so there's just so much to it. And that's what I love about this. And that's why none of these movies are bad in my opinion. Like, they're not horrible. Like, I will tell you right now, we watched the movies over the past year or twelve months that I'm like, this movie sucks. This movie's really bad. And I will never say that about any of these movies because they're not bad to me. They're just not this, like this three movies.
[00:46:18] Speaker B: You know what? It would be interesting if, you know, we continue doing Star wars weeks and I keep doing these to go watch one, two, three. To go watch seven, eight, nine, and see what I think. Because I. I can tell you, I am not a fan. I'm not a fan. You're not.
[00:46:32] Speaker A: You gotta be a fan. Like I said, I'm a fan of Star wars.
[00:46:34] Speaker B: And I don't even have good movies.
[00:46:36] Speaker A: Though I think maybe I'm wrong.
[00:46:38] Speaker B: So it'd be interesting to watch them again because I, um. All right, so seven, eight and nine, I think I've watched in theaters. And that's. I think that's it. I don't know if I've watched them again. And one, two, three I watched in theaters, and then I've watched handful of times again. And occasionally I'll put them on in the store here or something, which if it's on here, I'm not really paying that much attention to it. Yeah, busy, but it's there.
But, boy, I think I don't even like those as movies, so it'd be interesting to have to watch them again and go through and. And develop an awesome. Maybe I end up liking better. And I think, you know, before, like, our four, five, six are iconic, and I've always found it interesting. I have friends who've never seen Star wars, and I'm always blown away by them. How is that possible? How has you never seen Star Wars? I can get. Maybe you don't. This isn't your thing or something, but still, you watch the original Star wars trilogy.
[00:47:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:30] Speaker B: Like, I don't know. Part of, like, you have to do, like, how do you like learning how to swim? Like, how do you not know how to swim? How do you not watch Star wars four, five, and six?
[00:47:40] Speaker A: The. The idea that rankings is not exactly, like, ratings on. On, like, ind is not the end all, be all, whether a movie's good or not. Like, let's be honest. But, like. So the sequel trilogy.
So, like, seven. So here's the deal. So episode six, what we just talked about. Okay.
I would give a four. Okay. Because I still think all of the movies are better than a lot of other movies that are out there. And this trilogy as a whole is a four and a half out of me.
[00:48:14] Speaker B: Like, the whole thing is a. I would. Would agree. I go three and a half personally on this. I go, so. But. But we stay right in the same.
[00:48:21] Speaker A: It's that it's still.
[00:48:23] Speaker B: I think overall, I give Star wars, like, a four or five. Like, I can't. I can't imagine not watching these movies.
[00:48:29] Speaker A: No. Like, if you take them all and make them all.
[00:48:31] Speaker B: I watch them all over again now with you, and I've enjoyed them. I'm trying to get my daughters to sit and watch them.
Emmy and Katie got caught on return of the not returning Ji empire strikes back. The last. I tried to get to watch them with me, and they're busy. They're doing their own things. But the last half hour or so, they both, like, were engrossed in it. They sat right there. They watched it. They asked me questions, like, well, who? Why is that? I'm like, well, we could watch the other ones. And I'm trying to explain what's going on in the movies to them. But they overall enjoyed watching.
[00:49:00] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:49:00] Speaker B: Star wars. And I think there's something in Star wars for everyone to enjoy this 456.
[00:49:06] Speaker A: Series and so you have 8.3 for this one on IMDb. Again, ratings rankings on those things are not always right. So 8.38.5 for a new Hope, 8.6 for Empire strikes back. So it isn't the same size as we are. We were talking that we think out of the trilogy, six or five is the best, then it's a new Hope. Then it's this 8.3, the first movie. So episode seven is a 7.8 IMTV. So it's like none of the trilogy, the original prequel trilogy. I think out of a six, I think they're all like six and a half and six. So like people still think, again, people, the generic public, still general public, first movie of the sequel trilogy is better than, this is the fourth best movie in Star wars outside of the standalone movies. And so like it's just an interesting thing to think about is that like, again, it's, I think there's people out there who just die hard. Star fans are fans and they love everything. And the same thing, I got that review of the person saying, you're shitting.
[00:50:02] Speaker B: On the argue that it's people out there.
[00:50:06] Speaker A: We got a Stephen King thing I mentioned in the last one which is like, oh, I gave a two and a half to Stephen King in this part. This person probably leaves a five to every single one of his books because Stephen King cannot do no wrong. And so like that is some people, there's some people who are more objective in the idea that like you, which is like, no, the movies aren't good as movies.
[00:50:23] Speaker B: I like to think I'm pretty objective. I try to give something a shot and I can tell you, and I'm.
[00:50:27] Speaker A: Just over here happy they're all made, right? Great.
[00:50:30] Speaker B: I'm over here right now. Star Wars. Star wars one.
[00:50:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:35] Speaker B: I can't stand Jar Jar Binks. I cannot stand him. And I think little kid Anakin is annoying as I'll get out. I don't like him. I don't like his story, I don't like anything about him. So I can tell you right now, without re watching Phantom Menace, I don't like them and I don't think the villains in it enough. If we're supposed to love, he's not even in the damn thing.
[00:50:57] Speaker A: No, it's all, there's problems with it.
[00:50:59] Speaker B: Paul, without even re watching those movies. I can tell you I have that problem right now.
[00:51:05] Speaker A: Next year we're gonna watch it again. No, I'm kidding.
[00:51:06] Speaker B: We're not.
[00:51:07] Speaker A: Yeah, but they, we could do that. We could do an episode on the, we could do an episode for Star wars week next. Next year, which is on the trilogy, the first trilogy, and an episode on the third trilogy, and then, you know, whatever. But we're not going to at this point.
But, yeah, I'm just happy they're made. And that's, that's one of those things that, like, you know, so I will say outside of this, Paul, outside of the three books that you, we just, three movies you just talked about, there are a bunch of books. There's comics. The comics. If you're going to go from Star wars movies and want more, and you want more cinematic and you want more visual, then the ease will transition is from. Well, I guess audiobook would be good, too, like the audio dramas, because those are good because it gets them.
[00:51:47] Speaker B: I've never tried that. So, yeah, probably.
[00:51:49] Speaker A: I think the easiest transition is to the comic books. And there's the comic book series that have come out over the years outside of probably the early Marvel days, that when the movie was coming out, because.
[00:51:59] Speaker B: It was more very close to just.
[00:52:02] Speaker A: Watching the movies, is that there's, there they run parallel. So it's in between movies, there's small gaps, and there's, there's after movies and so on and so forth. So these are like Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader and all these different things that set up the movies in different ways so you can watch them in a way that, like, adds to the story of the original.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it adds to the value of it. You enjoy. I enjoy reading the comics and seeing something like, oh, I know that scene, that background, that character I see over there, I remember from Tatooine, or I remember from, you know, whatever. And I like that. I enjoy it.
[00:52:36] Speaker A: But the outside, if you want to read a novel, obviously, there's all the high republic stuff that's come out recently, which is pretty cool. And again, that you don't have to know any Star wars knowledge at all.
[00:52:43] Speaker B: Basically, to read this point. Right?
[00:52:44] Speaker A: Yes. However, the best thing, if you really like the original trilogy, is these books called a certain point of view. And they came out for the 40th anniversary of a new Hope, and they've come out basically for the 40th anniversary of, or the anniversaries of the other movies of Empire and Return of the Jedi. And do I have one here?
Yeah, here's the new Hope one. And it's written. There's this many authors in it. Okay. And some of them, my authors that I like in here are obviously, there's Cordova, who writes for high republicans. You got Matt fraction, comic book writer Kieran Gillan, comic book writer Claudia Gray, who's also written some Star wars novels. In here, you've got Daniel Jose Older, who's written some comics for Star wars. He's also written some books for Star Wars. Kevin Scott, who writes Star wars comics but also writes dead seas over at IDW.
Charles Soule.
Chuck Wendig, who used to read Star wars books a long time ago, like some older Star wars books, but also is a nice horror writer. So will wheaton from Star Trek.
[00:53:54] Speaker B: Wait, from Big Bang Theory.
[00:53:55] Speaker A: Yeah, but these are all individual stories. They're short stories in here that all are different points of view from a new hope. So, like, in this one, a new hope has the.
Would be this one. Yes. The trash compactor.
[00:54:12] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, gone.
[00:54:14] Speaker A: This is the. There's a story in here about the story behind the monster in the trash. Trash factor.
[00:54:19] Speaker B: Oh, the trash back. Okay. Yeah, not gone. Yeah, the trash.
[00:54:24] Speaker A: The monster. Trash compactor. Monster. There's a story about that in here.
[00:54:27] Speaker B: I don't think, you know, I think that is what it's called. Trash. Trash compactor. Monster. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:54:30] Speaker A: There's, um.
Aunt Beru finds her voice and into fake character. Like, there's this. Pablo Hidalgo provides a chilling glimpse at the mind of Matt, a grand moff Tarkin. So there's all these different stories based around the characters or other points of view in the movies, and there's one for each one of them. So this is kind of cool. So, like, if you're like, I just want more.
[00:54:52] Speaker B: I want more.
[00:54:53] Speaker A: In the original trilogy, I don't care about everything else. This is just basically stories around it and adding to it, and it's all canon. It's all based off of it. But they came out with it for the anniversary of Star wars in 2017 and then think it's 2020, and then they came up with one in 2023 for Return of the Jedi. I only have that one right now, but, like, yeah, that's really cool because it's like one of those things that. But comics is your way to go, honestly. And this is just a good visual.
[00:55:18] Speaker B: Side of it, which I think is easier with Star wars because I've read a couple Star wars novels, and it's. It's tough sometimes because I can't quite envision what they're talking about. I feel like the novels tend to lend towards the idea that you are a die hard.
[00:55:31] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:55:33] Speaker B: You know exactly what it looks like, and I don't.
[00:55:35] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:55:35] Speaker B: I'm like, looking up on my phone or even this. They show, you got my Star wars encyclopedia out, you know. Right.
[00:55:40] Speaker A: They show you the characters on this, even that. But which one's which.
[00:55:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:44] Speaker A: You start talking about the character, you're like, okay, well, then you're trying to figure out.
[00:55:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:55:48] Speaker A: Side character. Yeah. So the comic books are definitely the way to go, in my opinion.
[00:55:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I think Star wars lends very well to the media to do. Whoa.
[00:55:54] Speaker A: Way out of focus there.
I went way out of focus there. But they, it's not coming back. But they're almost, we're almost done anyway.
[00:56:06] Speaker B: Justin rolls across the floor.
[00:56:09] Speaker A: Whoa. No. Where, it was weird. My camera's like, yeah, it's gone. It's gone. Um, the, wow, it's getting worse. Every listening is like, what the heck?
[00:56:19] Speaker B: Yeah. If you're listening to this, this does not matter. If you are watching this. Uh, that's, yeah, you have a full blur background.
[00:56:26] Speaker A: Now I am blurred. This is like, I'm no kidding.
They look like the characters too, Paul. Like you. I mean, they look like the characters. That's the best thing about those, kind.
[00:56:37] Speaker B: Of like, yeah, they look the way they do. They're easily recognizable. The spaceship. I don't getting, like, the descriptions in the novel. Sometimes you get a lot of stuff because you have a lot going on. You're trying to explain a ship and a battle scene and what's going on in space and, you know, asteroid flying by, all this stuff. In the comics, you can just simply show that.
[00:56:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:56:58] Speaker B: So it's a lot, and they, luckily, what easier going in the comic median for. Yes, for your Star wars stuff other than the other shows or the cartoon series you wanted to or something.
[00:57:07] Speaker A: I learned my lesson now about showing something so close to the camera.
[00:57:10] Speaker B: Yeah, don't show anything so close to camera.
[00:57:11] Speaker A: That was, that was bad. It screwed everything up. Like, there you go. I screwed that there.
[00:57:15] Speaker B: Factory reset.
Oh, is it getting better? Is he up?
[00:57:19] Speaker A: Oh, I'm back. Hey, look at that. That's so funny. But, yeah, so, like, there's all kinds of things out there for you guys to get into a local comic book shop and get any it now, actually, because you can basically get any of the Star wars novels that are currently releasing, like, the high republic stuff, as well as all the graphic novels and trades and all the ha, Marvel side of things. A little bit iffy on trades and stuff like that. But like, yeah, there's different houses, stuff.
[00:57:39] Speaker B: That'S in print, stuff that's out of print. But, you know, and I try to do a solid job representing Star wars here in the shop of having stuff. And we have action figures and we have comics and we have trade paperbacks, and if you want to be, there's a lot of it out there. There's a lot.
[00:57:52] Speaker A: Tell you right now, I have no inside knowledge. Obviously, very little people have Lucasfilm's inside knowledge or Disney's inside knowledge, is that if you want to be ahead of the game and be. I knew this back in the day, before the movies are made, get into high Republic, the comics, the books, the audio dramas, all that stuff, because that is gonna be the future. Like, there's no way the writings in the wall, Paul, they're not doing this much work to do the high Republic stuff, to just be like, it's the top. It's only available on books.
[00:58:16] Speaker B: There's, what, two, two different comic arcs of it going on with two different publishers that are both focused around the high Republic stuff. Yep.
[00:58:24] Speaker A: And so, like, it's like future. Currently, we're gonna see a lot of the, the Mandalorians and the Ahsokas and the stuff telling stories around things that came out in clone wars and around the movies and things like that. And then it says slowly transition. Like, the acolyte is based before all the movies. And so that's slowly transitioning back there. But I think at some point, there's gonna be this huge high Republic trilogy, which I'm okay with because it's gonna start fresh. There's no preconceived notions. There's no preconceived characters. There's no nothing.
[00:58:48] Speaker B: You know what? It, probably the best thing for Star wars at this point is to have a completely brand new thing. You know what I mean? Because I think that's some of our problem with the, the last three trilogy movies is that they still connected to our line, the line that we all have a passion and love for. So trying to have this connection to it just was not good because you had to create new characters and things. It just, you lend, you lent yourself into, like, people being upset with you, like, guaranteed versus high Republic. They're, you're not gonna have that much of opinion about any of it.
[00:59:23] Speaker A: You can't.
[00:59:23] Speaker B: New people, new story, new villains, new.
Yeah, so that's, that's, that's smart. It's good.
[00:59:29] Speaker A: So we gave a new hope. Star Wars Episode five, four. We gave it a four and a half together. We gave. I gave a five to Empire strikes back. You gave it a four and a half to Empire strikes back. And then this return of the Jedi. I gave a four and a half or four, and you gave a three and a half. And that's our reviews of these things. We did. A lot of. A lot of people did different reviews of different podcasts. We just tend to discuss things on here. It's not really like it's. There's some opinions in there. We didn't get into the nitty gritty about how the story went and things like that, but we just shoot the shit about these movies, so if you like them. Adam Morissette, my former co host, and I talked episodes one, two, and three two years ago for Star Wars Week.
[01:00:08] Speaker B: I'm okay that I didn't have to discuss.
[01:00:10] Speaker A: There's the Star wars holiday special that we did an episode on to with our buddy Gibran over at the prior patch, as well as Hans the solo movie and Rogue one. And then there also is a bunch of other stuff happening for Star Wars Week. So check all that stuff out. But also, Ethan Sachs came on this year talk Star wars comics, as well as last year, we had four or five other guests on to talk Star wars related things, including Heather Antoes, who used to Star wars edit the comic books, as well as Louis Sliney, Kimon, Daniel Jose Older, who was an author for one of these books, all came on to talk Star wars related things last year as well. So you should check that out if you had a chance, if you want more.
[01:00:51] Speaker B: Basically, if you want to live Star Wars Week, I think you can get almost a full week's worth of content through capes and tigers.
[01:00:57] Speaker A: Well, you get all kinds.
[01:00:58] Speaker B: Yeah, get on capes and tights and you got. You got what you need.
[01:01:02] Speaker A: Yeah, me hating Star wars, but yeah, so check all those out and Star wars capes and tights.com. Star wars gets all that content, as well as galactic comics and collectibles over on Hammond street in Bangor, Maine. And it's galactic Empire is what he's a fan of. So like, just get that right?
[01:01:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I guess, honestly, right? Yeah.
[01:01:25] Speaker A: Well, you should have done, like, it's too late now for Star wars. We should do that for Star Wars Day at the shop is to do like a galactic, but change it to galactic Empire comics and, like, do like, a big thing about that, like a Star wars themed logo and all that stuff.
[01:01:38] Speaker B: You could do that.
[01:01:39] Speaker A: Play the soundtrack over and over and over again all day.
[01:01:41] Speaker B: Just that one thing.
[01:01:42] Speaker A: No need to play Garrett's working galactic Empire. The metal band have you heard that album. You've got to do. You've got to play it today in the shop if you want. Or this weekend. We can do. I can play it at shop. It's. Yeah, no worries. No anything. But it's a metal band from England who does covers of all the galactic or all the Star wars songs, but in metal, like, it's so good. But it's like. It's like a trans siberian orchestra doing Christmas songs, but it's like that version before Star wars songs. They're wonderful. And they dress up in the costumes on stage and stuff. It's so freaking amazing.
But, yeah, that's Star wars week of episodes. This is the last one of the week, and that has been reviews of the original trilogy. Uh, Paul Eaton, thank you for. For taking the bullet on this one. You'll do it again for future.
[01:02:26] Speaker B: I got my movie.
[01:02:27] Speaker A: We are talking is Green Lantern, so taking a bullet on that one, too.
[01:02:30] Speaker B: So that was my fault, too, but.
[01:02:32] Speaker A: I think we're both taking a bullet on that.
[01:02:34] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a. That's a dual one. Yeah.
[01:02:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:02:37] Speaker B: All right, so. All right. I think I like Dick Tracy better. Star wars, nigga.
[01:02:43] Speaker A: See if all see you, Justin.
