Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesandtights.com I'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. Once again, this episode is brought to you by our friends over at Galactic Comics and collectibles at 547 Hamlin street in Bangor, Maine. You can find them on Facebook, Instagram, all those places. But this episode we welcome Paul Eaton, the proprietor and owner of Galactic Comics and Collectibles, to chat the 50th anniversary of JAWS, which happened this past summer. Finally getting around to watching the film over again, talking about discussing the legacy and the impact and the cultural and pop culture impact of the film from 1975.
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Welcome back to the podcast. I realized that when I say, let's talk, let's talk Jaws, I just, like, cut you off or like, we're done. The puz and treats are over. We're now in business mode here.
[00:01:18] Speaker B: Time to talk Jaws.
Serious business. People being eaten by sharks.
[00:01:23] Speaker A: You know, it's funny. We'll start, though. You start off that way. I think it's like four people, isn't it? I didn't count it.
[00:01:29] Speaker B: Let's see. 1.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: The girl at the very beginning. Yeah, yeah.
[00:01:33] Speaker B: The guy in the. The boat. The kid and then the guy, the actual fisherman.
[00:01:39] Speaker A: Oh, so that's four. So maybe five and then Quinn and.
[00:01:41] Speaker B: Then five with Quinn.
So, yeah, I mean, think about a.
[00:01:46] Speaker A: Grand scheme of things. The shark itself is not that deadly.
No, like, it's like, it's the fear of what it could do.
[00:01:54] Speaker B: What it could do.
[00:01:55] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, obviously five people getting killed by a great white shark is actually super deadly in the grand.
[00:01:59] Speaker B: In the world of the grand scheme of things. Yeah.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: But I'm thinking myself, like, you think about, like, the horror film, people. Like, this is a horror film. Okay, people, which is always. It took me a long time to justify Jaws as a horror film. In my mind, like, it's not your stereotypical. What you see horror films now the most of the time of a horror film. It's a, it's. It's it's the, the killer, for example. Like a serial killer or some sort of murderer is a person or a being or a creature of some sort. It's not an animal. Like, it's not very many. Like, it's not cocaine bear here. You know, like there's nothing. It's like bear. So. So to me, it took me a while. Just like it does make sense. It is a horror film. It's a sci fi. Sci fi. It's a thriller horror.
[00:02:41] Speaker B: It's a thriller. It's an adventure story. I mean, that's why I. I think that's why I love Jaws so much. Because it hits so many things. It like checks off so many boxes because, like the quest of them out there, you know, chasing the shark is amazing and the stories of this movie are fantastic.
[00:02:58] Speaker A: And that's.
[00:03:00] Speaker B: Or yeah. Cause isn't keeping up with. With Jason and Freddie and.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: Well, I sat down. We sat down.
[00:03:06] Speaker B: Way more people died in Clown in the Cornfield, one of our favorites.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: We are, we're. I'm 40 and I'm almost 40. I'll be 40 next year or in May, But I'm getting older. I have two young kids. Right. They run me ragged. They go to bed. So Taylor and I don't step too late. Right?
[00:03:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:22] Speaker A: And so. And I was like, hey, a lot of these movies I watch on my own that we do. Like I do. Or sometimes she'll pop in and out or whatever. So I was like, we're gonna watch Jaws again. She's like, she hadn't seen it for a while because I probably introduced it to her or watched together like seven years ago. But like, let's watch it again. And so I put it on TV and we watched it in two parts because we got tired and wanted to go to bed.
But we rewatched it. But she rewatched it. If I sat down and said, hey, let's watch XYZ horror film, in all likelihood, she'd skip it. She said, I'm not.
I'm go. So I'm just like, so. So to me, that's why it's like that borderline at least like an entry film horror genre type thing, because it's also 1975. So it's different, you know, like there is a different level of horror then too. I mean, you're. You're Jason, you're Freddie. All those movies that came out, you know, over those span of years, your slasher film stuff are not terrifier.
[00:04:13] Speaker B: Right.
[00:04:13] Speaker A: If that makes any sense. It's like, it is a more approachable horror back in the day than it is now. But, yeah, it's. It's a. To me, it's like one of those things that, like, it meets so many different genres. And, I mean, that's why it's lasted 50 years of success being relevant.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: Like, Liz and I watch this every summer. Just like we watch Christmas movies, certain Christmas movies, every Christmas, every summer. It's almost. It's either around our anniversary or sometimes, like, the. Like, we're getting those really kick into summer vibes. And, like, we got to watch Jaws.
[00:04:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:41] Speaker B: Happens every year now.
[00:04:42] Speaker A: It's. It's so thinking. So we're celebrating 50 years. It just celebrated 50 years. And so I was like, oh, let's do it. We did 40 years of back to the Future. And so I was like, we don't do 50 years of the. Another anniversary movie. And then I backtracked on that. I was like, you know what? It's 50 years. Let's do it. This is a big one. And so.
But with this, I also put together a list of films, by the way, to do next year being 2026. I'm gonna pull that up really quickly.
[00:05:08] Speaker B: We have more anniversaries next year, there's.
[00:05:10] Speaker A: More anniversaries, and I thought there's some of them that might actually. So before we get too far into it. So one of the things I thought about, which is crazy to think about, if we do in January, Deadpool is 10 years old.
[00:05:21] Speaker B: No way. Really?
[00:05:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Wow.
2016. It came out.
[00:05:27] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:05:28] Speaker A: So in February. But like Twister, the movie. Twister's 30 years old next year.
[00:05:33] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: Independence Day is 40 years old next year.
Sorry, 30 years old as well. That'll be fun to watch. Stand by me is 40 years old next year.
[00:05:43] Speaker B: I've never seen that.
[00:05:44] Speaker A: See a Stephen King movie would be great. And then I thought about. This was a great one. In November, Rocky is 50.
[00:05:49] Speaker B: Ooh.
[00:05:50] Speaker A: The first Rocky film. So, yeah, so those are all kind of cool. And then I thought, also, next year, we'll do Supergirl, because the Supergirl movie's coming out. But that's definitely on the list. But, yeah, so, like, there's the anniversary, so I thought, why. Why. Why skip 2025 when this is a massive film? It's one of my. It's literally one of my top five favorite movies of all time.
[00:06:06] Speaker B: I would say it's my top five top five, too. Yeah.
[00:06:08] Speaker A: It is my favorite horror movie of all time. This. This movie eclipses so much, and It's Steven Spielberg, early Steven Spielberg. I mean he had movies before this, but this is like. This is early Steven Spielberg.
[00:06:19] Speaker B: This is like make or break. Really?
[00:06:21] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, yeah. He thought during making this movie that he wasn't gonna make it. Like he thought at the point when he was making this movie because let's be honest, people, jaws had a four million dollar budget in 1975.
Do you. Do you probably looked it up. Do you know how much it was made for?
Wasn't it like 8 million, $9 million?
[00:06:39] Speaker B: 9 million. Yeah.
[00:06:40] Speaker A: He went over double the budget. And so his mindset is he's gonna make this movie, they're gonna do it. But with his directing and all this stuff and the producers that are around him, he's not gonna get another job in Hollywood anytime soon because he's gonna be black.
They may not be able to finish the movie. And they're way over the way over budget. And so come to find out that didn't go that way. Paul, I don't know if you've known, but he's gone on to make many.
[00:07:05] Speaker B: He seems like he's a little more famous.
[00:07:09] Speaker A: He's made it.
[00:07:10] Speaker B: I might be.
[00:07:12] Speaker A: And so there's a. But I think also being from New England's huge for us. I think that's another thing. Reason why it probably hits home, right? I mean, I was born in Massachusetts, so not near this, but like I was at least born in the state of Massachusetts. It was filmed in Massachusetts, which is freaking crazy because that's the budget. That does not happen nowadays.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Most of the budget problems, the fact that they filmed it, none of them filming on location. And they're filming on location and they didn't take into account sun, wind drift, ocean currents, all the things that go into making this movie about a shark in the ocean.
So constantly like, well, we had to write today off or we wasted the entire day of filming time that would have had of sunlight because something happened. They lost Bruce the shark. Yeah, they lost Bruce once.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: They also were forced to fast forward filming. So. So this movie, obviously if anybody doesn't know you live in a closet, there's a closet back here. If you live in a closet and you don't know anything. It's based on the book by Peter Benchley that was. It was released a few years earlier than this release. So it's not like. Which is always fascinates me when we talk about adaptations of things nowadays and we're talking about, oh, Fantastic Four, which was created in the 1960s and here we're getting this movie coming out that this happened. And same with Turtles. I mean, Turtles, the first Ninja Turtles comic book came out like four years prior to. To the movie coming out.
[00:08:35] Speaker B: 85, I thought it was 84.
[00:08:38] Speaker A: Six years. What I was saying is, but seems like it should have been longer because we see comics get adapted and they take forever to have it happen. And so seeing that, like they were basically adapting this film when the book hit the shelves and the studio was like, we need to come up with this next summer because if we don't, we're going to miss the hype of the book.
[00:08:56] Speaker B: The book.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: And we need this, we need this promotion. Yeah. And so they're forced into faster, faster filming.
They wanted to use this animatronic shark green Bruce. That just didn't work at times like it just like they said, oh, look at this, it's gonna breach. And the tail would come up first and all this. So like it didn't go well for them.
But maybe that's the sign, Paul, at the very beginning of this, like fast forwarding it over budget, things not going the way you want it to be going, shooting on set, all that stuff was probably like a. Like a foreshadowing to this movie's gonna be good.
[00:09:29] Speaker B: Right.
[00:09:29] Speaker A: You know, I mean, in the moment they probably didn't see that. But it's like all these things went against it. The odds were against this film to even make it into the point where now in 1970s, so from 75 when the movie was released to 79, so as before the calendar turned to 80, it made $480 million on a 9 million dollar budget.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: Or I guess so that, that 9 million dollar spend, the 4 million dollar budget. I think they got their return on it. I mean it had an entire ride at Universal for decades, which had the.
[00:10:01] Speaker A: Actual Orca boat, which is badass. That boat at Universal was the Orca from the film.
[00:10:07] Speaker B: Oh, that's cool. I didn't know that was on the actual work. I didn't even realize that it was the actual work.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: Okay. Steven Spielberg said he used to go to the set every once in a while when he was there. He'd go there and he'd walk out to the thing and he'd sit down and he. He'd sit on the boat, he'd cry and he'd say he cried not because he's sad or anything like that, but just like, it's just he can't believe he did it kind of thing.
Yeah, yeah. Overwhelming. And he spent a lot of time in that boat. It's not like, you know.
[00:10:30] Speaker B: Right.
[00:10:30] Speaker A: It's crazy.
But yeah, 1975, $9 million, $5 million. I mean that's, it's, it's obviously big money now. A lot of money back then and so. But $480 million. I mean the, the end of the year, of that year, international, it was like 200 and something million dollars for Jaws. And the next highest grossing film was like 100 million. So you're talking like 100. That's double. You're talking that if someone made, someone made a billion dollars on a movie in 2025, the next highest film would have to be 500 million. That is absolutely asinine to think that anything would be in between the two of them. Like there's no. It's insane. And so the movie meets. People were going to the. Waiting in line and wanting to see this film. And I think, yeah, it's a mixture of a couple things. I feel like it's the summertime. The Jaws itself, the trailer probably did pretty well for it. The poster itself was phenomenal. Which actually is funny because I didn't realize this until I watched a small documentary on this. Paul or the new documentary. I don't know. You should see it. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's 50 years in the making. It's on the Blu ray for the 4k of jaws, but I think you can get it online somewhere too. But they talked about how that the film poster was actually the paperback release post cover.
So the paperback release of Peter Benchley's book had that cover painted with a chart coming straight up. And then, and then they took it and put. Made it the movie poster because people liked it so much. It was amazing. But the first rendition, it looked like a big penis coming out of the water because there was no teeth on the, on the shark. It just looked like this very phallic shark coming up the top. Like you need to make it more fierce.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah, that's not a great look.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: So it's an iconic cover. I think that that alone probably brought people in like this person swimming across the top.
And that that scene is basically the first, what, 10 minutes of the movie.
[00:12:14] Speaker B: Yeah, it's crazy that Jaws, this simple. One word gets right to it. And the amount reading the novel, the amount of ideas he'd had and like friends and all this and the list of titles were just bad. They were all like, I can't. It's almost like the whole thing wouldn't have Succeeded if they hadn't just gone with Jaws. Yep. This is simple.
It gets you.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: And then people were like, what does.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: It mean from deep below the murder, the gap on the island, or the, like, all these, like, weird titles. I was like that. I probably never would have even looked at this book or the movie. Yeah.
[00:12:54] Speaker A: And people are like, what does it mean?
[00:12:55] Speaker B: Iconic?
[00:12:56] Speaker A: And it's like, what does it mean? Like, I don't know. It just sounds cool.
[00:13:01] Speaker B: It just sounds cool. Yeah. Is the shark name Jaws? No, not really. It's just.
It's just. That's the. That's the whole thing. Yeah, it's perfect.
[00:13:09] Speaker A: I mean, it's better than later on a book and movie called Meg, right?
[00:13:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:15] Speaker A: But, yeah, it's that jaw. So, yeah, it's the same thing. I think about things like, Something's Killing the Children.
I don't think that means a fantastic series. Anybody's not read Something's Killing the Children. Read Something's Killing the Children by James Tunion. But the name does it wonders, right? Do. I mean, I feel like that to me is like one of those things, you know, Breaking news. I'm working on a. On a outline and an idea for a comic book. So one of the things I go into, I have a bunch of names going down too. And it's one of those.
It doesn't like, I need it to be. I want it to have the impact. Either one word impact like this.
[00:13:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:54] Speaker A: So here's a. Back here, if anybody's watching. I have the feral variant by Scotty Young, which is a dog going up to get a fish or. Yeah, it's a dog, right?
[00:14:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a dog.
[00:14:06] Speaker A: It's dog. We have ferals about Cat. Cats.
That's right. But get a little tiny fish and it's the iconic cover of that thing.
[00:14:14] Speaker B: But feral.
[00:14:15] Speaker A: Another one. Feral, great name. Great. Like a succinct name. Jaws, Stray dogs, those are all like you want to. But Nail Biter is another one. Like, you're like, what the heck is all about? What's it all about? But. So I want that title and Something's Killing the Children. You're like, what the hell is this book about? And I need to read it. And so Jaws, I think, was the same thing. It was just like the simple. And you can put big block letter font on the front of the COVID.
[00:14:40] Speaker B: Now if you say Jaws.
[00:14:43] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:14:44] Speaker B: Rather than thinking about the anatomy, the piece of it. That's the first image. Yeah, the first image is that cover is that movie poster. Is that Shark coming up. That's the first thing I think before I ever think of anything else.
It is ingrained in you.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: So it's based on the book and the COVID again brought over, which is really cool because nowadays you see the opposite. I think I read it last summer, but I read it recently. But it's the opposite of what you normally see now too. You see the Long Walk from Stephen King is coming out in theaters really soon.
And the. The new paperback book of that is the poster from the movie do. I mean, like, so it's like they take it and they put movie poster things. I have a never clown in the cornfield.
[00:15:30] Speaker B: I don't know why, but I'm not a big fan of that.
[00:15:32] Speaker A: It's funny because I thought the same thing. I don't like it. And then I asked an author and they love it because then they know it's been the next thing. It's pulling more readers in. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. But I've got. I've got a clown in the cornfield over there. The paperback of the COVID of the movies.
[00:15:44] Speaker B: I will say the clown in the cornfield movie cover that then became the book cover is badass though.
Like that is. But it's like the movie cover. I don't know. You see it then so is the book.
[00:15:54] Speaker A: It's like you see a picture on the front.
[00:15:56] Speaker B: I always rather go hunt down one of the first prints of the book that doesn't have that as the COVID.
[00:16:00] Speaker A: Well, I mean, think about it. Because you have like the COVID of Connor. The cornfield works because it's in a mass. It doesn't really matter. But like the Long Walk, for example, you're. You're. You're seeing this cover of Actors.
We weren't even born by the time the movie. The book was actually made.
[00:16:15] Speaker B: Or don't. When you actually get down to it don't look like the character described in the book.
[00:16:19] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:16:19] Speaker B: If you have. If you cast Tom Hanks, but the character looks nothing like Tom Hanks.
[00:16:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:24] Speaker B: You can't help but read it picturing him. While that's not what the characters describe. I got, I got.
For whatever reason. So I, I had seen.
Oh, my God, it's Mac McConaughey movie result in the desert Sahara, which is based.
Right.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, Sarah's got. It's got that one. I mean, it's been in a couple movies that.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: So that's.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: He wasn't Sarah, if that makes any sense.
[00:16:47] Speaker B: Based on a Clive Cussler book. With his character, Dirk Pitt. So I didn't ever realize the correlation until I was halfway through the first Dirk Pitt novel I read and somebody was like, oh, you know that Sahara movie? And I was like, what? But now I can't stop picturing it as Matthew McConaughey, even though he. He looks nothing like him.
[00:17:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:06] Speaker B: Every time they describe him as being like dark haired, blah, blah. But I start picturing Matt McConaughey and the way he talks and all that as Dirk Pit, and I can't stop.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: Which is funny. They don't do the opposite. They don't do that in comics. Like, you don't see a graphic novel that's been adapted that the COVID of the graphic novels, the movie, do you? I mean, like, you don't see.
But rarely.
[00:17:24] Speaker B: They did.
[00:17:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: A few of them they've released later with that like, re release of the.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: COVID But that's, that's like, that looks like similar. Because what they do is they end up adapting it so much, it's like seeing a movie that's like five characters in it that they decide. Or a book has five characters in it, but the movie decided to only go with four. But the COVID of the book has the five characters in it. You know, like, it's like, is it dropping them off? And so it's weird, but this did the opposite, Paul. Like this took the paperback release, it being so successful, and even put it as the movie poster because they knew they wanted to connect the two of.
[00:17:54] Speaker B: Those together, you know. However, 50 years later, buying the book.
[00:17:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:59] Speaker B: And reading it, because I finally. I gotta read this book.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: I have a first printing. It's just hidden. I can't get to it. It's over there somewhere. It's no, no dust jacket. Which is part of the. The benefit to the old ones is the dust jacket. There's no dust jacket. So it's a dust jacket list, first edition. But it is the first edition. It's a little Jaws, a little fish shark thing on the end. And I don't, I don't read it. It just sits there. Because there's certain books.
[00:18:24] Speaker B: So there's certain books that would be something if you could have a way to get an autograph. It' get autographed.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: That's your p. Well, did you see Joe Hill? So Joe Hill loves this book. This book, loves the movie, loves everything about Jaws, horror writer, so on and so forth. But if anybody knows Joe Hill, he's from Maine and he's, you know, I'd say friend of the podcast, but he hasn't been on yet. So I say, yet Paul, yet.
[00:18:45] Speaker B: How many? He's listening to this, right?
[00:18:47] Speaker A: Yeah, right.
And so we.
He posted a picture of it. While we're a first time member, I posted a picture of it a while ago on his Instagram. It's so funny that his wife bought him a first edition signed copy of the book. The problem is is that Peter Benchley is dead and so you can't get it signed now. I could get it. We could buy a signed copy. The funny thing is Joe's name is Joe, right?
[00:19:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: So he goes, oh, my wife bought me a personalized coffee and it was to Joe. I'm like, how the hell. I'm like, wait a second. She. She bought a used copy that was to Joe. I'm like, that makes sense. It doesn't say to Joe Hill.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: Honestly, that's where like the value of it.
[00:19:25] Speaker A: They probably got it for cheaper than it says to.
[00:19:27] Speaker B: And I would be like, well, I got this cool book. It's signed to Joe, but it's cool.
[00:19:31] Speaker A: I mean like, I guess it happened in here. Paul would happen. Paul would work. It would work for you.
[00:19:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Like it happened in here once where a guy had a she Hulk collection that had gotten. Ruined it all. Like they had a house fire. He lost his comic collection and a guy wanted to sell me this autograph. She Hulk, like famous cover. But it was signed to him to Peter. And I said, I'm like, yeah. To the guy. I was like, yeah, I just got this collection coming through, but it's signed to Peter. And he's like, but that's me. He's like, I want it. He's like, I want even more now. I'm like, thank God I somehow managed to make a connection.
[00:20:03] Speaker A: Well, that's what I need if I ever decide that most of my stuff is a lot of it's personal. There is personalized. It says to Justin on or whatever. But I'm like, to me. Because I'm not going to sell it if ever is a part up or I passed away and I need to get rid of my collection for some reason. I'm like, just find someone named Justin. It's not. It's not. I wouldn't say it's that hard. It's not like I have this really weird obscure name or obscure spelling, but it's one of those things. I mean, I have a Larry Bird autograph that's to Jack.
It's. It's not to me. It's not personalized. To you, but it's still a Larry Bird autograph. Feeling like it's still. Yeah.
[00:20:30] Speaker B: I always. If it's to my personal collection and I'm considering that investment piece later on that when that's different. Yeah, I always try to not get them personalized. But we have stuff here now that's being signed to the store. Yeah, we have a Mark Bagley signed. Print that signed two Galactic Comics, all that. Well, we have an entire wall signed, I think.
[00:20:46] Speaker A: Yeah, they didn't steal the wall when you got your car think broken in there.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:52] Speaker A: No, like this is to. To Justin. Thank you. Into the little thing. But like that to me is like that's a drawing by Patrick Horvath. Like it's a. It's a remark to me. I want this. This is mine. And so that's difference that. That. That we have. Obviously it's different when I pass and they've got a bunch of they can't get rid of because it says all my name on it. That's the story. But. But as your family standing a call.
[00:21:13] Speaker B: Book somewhere going, I don't need any of this crap. It's all.
[00:21:17] Speaker A: Well, it's. When my wife finds out that's worthless. Right. Half the in here is not worth any money. She's like, oh, we got a retirement.
[00:21:21] Speaker B: So much money on this stuff. It has to be valuable.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: My retirement. I don't know. We're retiring to a hole in the wall somewhere.
[00:21:29] Speaker B: By retiring, you mean living homeless, right? Yes.
[00:21:33] Speaker A: Well, to me it's also so like having that signed book would be cool into Joe and all that stuff. But he also was a screenwriter on this. Peter Benchley. He helped rewrite this.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: Yeah, he was part of the whole.
[00:21:42] Speaker A: Him. Peter. Peter got Gottlieb, which I. I think.
[00:21:46] Speaker B: As doing both of these. I greatly appreciate the vast difference from the book to the movie and the fact that both of them could be so enjoyable. And I think it was the perfect screenwriting for the movie because the book has so much excess stuff in it that they left out that would have taken away from that suspense from that. You. You like the characters in the movie, you care about them.
But the ultimate part of the movie is the suspense of the shark coming appearing and them trying to find it.
So you have this level of anxiety created that I think would be there if you got into all of the stuff that's in the book, all these side stories.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: And the movie's already 2 hours and 2 hours and 4 minutes. I mean, the movie would have to be 2 hours and 37, 40 minutes.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: And the book, honestly, the book isn't that much about the shark.
[00:22:35] Speaker A: No. And that's.
[00:22:36] Speaker B: So that's considerably less about the shark.
[00:22:38] Speaker A: I'm coming at this a little differently now because I watched it and then I watched the documentary about the film the 50 years and all that stuff.
[00:22:43] Speaker B: And so I read. I read quite a bit of documentary stuff.
[00:22:47] Speaker A: But so Peter eventually said. He goes. He did it in the book because he needed to find that round audience. He needed to find the love. And you need to put that love story in there for people that actually want to read this book and see. But when. When. When Spielberg, you know, took over the directing and decided to write this film and so on and so forth, which, by the way, he asked to direct it and they already had someone else attached to it and that other person had dropped off and then they called him. He's like, of course I'll do it. But they're certain. There's so many things.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: That alternate universe that we go to. Yeah. That you say Steven Spielberg, and they go, who?
[00:23:21] Speaker A: That Jaws sucks. No, but he said. He goes, it's more of a story about a police officer on an island who hates the water and a shark comes to attack everybody and so on and so forth. That the story is about these just small individual people. People, but it's really about the shark. And so.
And it's actually, you know, in the. In the place, the island almost has its own character as well. But, like. And the people that are there. So this love interest story just didn't seem like it would further the movie enough that you need. It would draw away from the.
[00:23:53] Speaker B: I'll tell you what else do.
In the movie, you feel this suspense constantly for these people. The side. That side love story in the book makes you dislike a bunch of the characters I felt like you do dislike. Instead, we didn't have to worry about any of that. We didn't have any. That we had this, like, I feel for each one of these people. Because you overall like them. Well, like, Matt Hooper in the book is kind of a scumbag in the movie is just an innocent.
[00:24:21] Speaker A: Well, it's like he's likable. He's not like.
[00:24:23] Speaker B: Yeah, he's very likable.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: He's. He's got. It's like charismaticness to him, but he's got this. He's smart, but he also likes, you know, he wants to help. He cares about these creatures. He cares about the people. You know, obviously you have Brody, who cares about the island and wants this island to care, you know? And then the thing is, the only way it would have worked for the relationship between Hooper and Brody's wife in the movie is if she somehow died the teeth of the shark.
[00:24:52] Speaker B: Right.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: And so that they both were reeling from this because, you know, that would have added some different level to it. But because of the fact that the movie.
She's just. She's just real side character. Like, she doesn't really need anything.
[00:25:05] Speaker B: She's mom, she's his wife. She cares about.
[00:25:08] Speaker A: It's to put the person, put it in perspective. But, like, it's about Quint, it's about Matt Hooper, and it's about Brody. Like, that's the. It's those three characters and their relationship and their bonding in the boat. All of them different people. You get the rough and gritty, you know, Quint, who's killed a bunch of sharks and has the shark's teeth. Hooper, who cares about the animals, also geographic and stuff like that. And then Brody, who's. Who's kind of innocent, naive, and.
[00:25:32] Speaker B: And a little bit in all this and wants, like.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: And so all of them together on the boat made for a great story out there. And them sharing their stories and scars and. And drinking together and. Oh, God, all had their own way if they wanted to get the shark.
[00:25:47] Speaker B: I. I read that they had had a whole different scene for Quinn and he rewrote it and they filmed it in one take. Yeah. Of the story about him and being technically two takes in the Navy and all this. And they were like. It was. It was just perfect. All of it. The entire scene.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: So.
[00:26:06] Speaker B: Yeah, perfect.
[00:26:07] Speaker A: Yeah. So. So that. What do they have to. They had one that he did written. So the screenwriters wrote this whole thing. And then he was like, no, I actually. He is ex military, so he's like, I have actual feeling and story in history with this kind of.
[00:26:20] Speaker B: Oh, my God, that scene.
[00:26:21] Speaker A: And he also is a writer. I didn't know this. He wrote. He wrote a.
Like a really good popular play. And so he's also a writer. So he's like, let me do this. And so they did it, but they let. So one of the things Spielberg said was that he let them let him drink on the stage, on the set. It's like, you're out here, we're doing all this thing, have a few drinks. It's fine. Well, he drank too much one day and he goes to say this speech and he couldn't do it, and so they said. Scrapped it. And then later that night, Like, I don't know, like, really late at night, he calls Spielberg on the phone and says, did I just make an ass of myself? So on and so forth. Give me a second chance. And so. And the next day they came back and bam. He nailed it. One take done. It was amazing. What we see on the screen is what they took. And it was phenomenal. And I think that. That that was a story. The story doesn't have to have a love interest. It didn't have to have. That's not the type of horror story. This is a lot of the other ones, the slasher films, the Final Girl, all that stuff. You need that because he's part of the story itself. This is about a creature who is attacking a local town community and happens to make people scared of going in the water. And so they. That group out there was just. It was phenomenal. And the funny thing is those three characters, Chief Brody's wife, Lorraine, Gary, Alan Brody, and then about.
I want to say four or five other people are actual actors from Hollywood.
[00:27:37] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:37] Speaker A: There's eight or nine people in this entire film that are actually trained actors. The rest of the people, the kids, the people on the beach, the people in the stores, the people on the streets are all from Martha's Vineyard.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: That's crazy.
[00:27:51] Speaker A: Was this fat.
[00:27:53] Speaker B: You could.
[00:27:53] Speaker A: Obviously you couldn't do it nowadays anyway, because a. It's. There's like Screen. Screen Guild.
[00:27:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:27:59] Speaker A: Rights and all that. But. But like, to have that be that way. Like, literally, the kids, like the Brody kids in the movie are from Martha's Vineyard. The guy and the girl in the very beginning of the movie when she swims out and gets eaten by the shark. The dude running on the thing was from the island. Actually. What's funny is that he wasn't living on the island. He had moved away, but found out they were filming on the island and came back to be there for it and ended up getting that role as the guy, you know, talking.
[00:28:22] Speaker B: Yeah. The guy with the girl.
[00:28:23] Speaker A: Yeah. And so on, which is always funny.
Do you remember a story about this? I showed this at OBC one night, late night, thinking that there's a freaking nudity at the beginning. It's not straight up, like, in your face.
[00:28:38] Speaker B: Right. It's like shadowed and dark, but there.
[00:28:40] Speaker A: I mean, she's topless. She's running topless.
[00:28:42] Speaker B: You got a family in there? It's.
[00:28:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm like, oh. But, like, once you get past that, because even the kills from the shark are not overly, like, not really intense.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: I Mean the kids, the kid would definitely could upset some.
[00:28:55] Speaker A: I mean this would scare my 4 year old from going in the water. You wouldn't go to the pool.
[00:28:59] Speaker B: This would probably scare my 9 year old from going.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: But outside of that, it's not like the actual damage that's going, being done by the shark is actually terrifying. It's. It's the shark itself that's more terrifying.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it was.
[00:29:12] Speaker A: But yeah, I don't know.
[00:29:13] Speaker B: I saw this movie by accident when I was, I'm gonna say around 11.
So I, I go to sleepovers at my father's house and he always had, he had like cable and HBO and all that stuff. And like I couldn't sleep. It was unfamiliar. So I would usually end up staying up all night just watching cable like because I didn't have cable at home. So it was like, it was like this treat, you know. So the movie started and it doesn't give you this big like Jaws or anything like that. You know, there's no scare, it's just this. So it was on in the background. I was like half awake and I started waking up and then I watched the entire movie through like.
[00:29:52] Speaker A: What you mean?
[00:29:53] Speaker B: I was like glued to it. Because that's what this movie does.
[00:29:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:56] Speaker B: Like it sucks you in with that suspense, with that soundtrack, with like all of the things it has. The, the greatest soundtrack ever. You hear that and you know what it is?
[00:30:07] Speaker A: Well, I mean, so you know this, we've talked about this in the shop. That, the opening scene, first of all, the singing Kumbaya whatever on the beach, seeing all this, it's really kind of underwater. The camera footage of underwater actual camera footage of actual sharks and things like that. They use that actually in the film. They sent someone to actually take shots of sharks to have them in the film. And they were supposed to show the girl getting eaten. And we talked about this, that the, the, the Bruce, the shark was supposed to come out of the water and eat the girl.
And it didn't work. And so they just did that and they found out that that is way more suspenseful not seeing it. And like you've talked about. And you, you mentioned about the pond.
[00:30:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: And seeing it was that it kind of ruined it in a sense. Like if there was any bad parts of the movie, that's one of them.
[00:30:51] Speaker B: That was. I think it would have been great if the pawn scene, you still didn't see him. Maybe you see the fin or whatever.
[00:30:57] Speaker A: Yeah, you still find me.
[00:31:00] Speaker B: Well, that fins that like, that's, that like, oh, God moment.
[00:31:04] Speaker A: It's the tip of the iceberg. You don't know what's beneath the water, but it's, you know, something's.
[00:31:08] Speaker B: The first time you ever saw the shark in it was when Brody was throwing the chum overboard.
[00:31:13] Speaker A: That was.
[00:31:13] Speaker B: And then the famous, like, you're going to need a bigger boat, dude.
[00:31:16] Speaker A: That. That.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: That scene, that right there, that would have been the, like, holy moment. Yeah, yeah. So it's sort of like, it's too bad that they did have the pawn scene. It was great suspense. It was super terrifying. Like the people, the kids out there tricking everybody. And then the damn shark is there. And of course it goes to the pawn. Brody's kid is so.
[00:31:37] Speaker A: Which is obviously watching.
[00:31:39] Speaker B: That was great. But not seen the shark at that.
[00:31:44] Speaker A: Stage because, I mean. And that's something that people get kind of upset with.
[00:31:48] Speaker B: They could have had, like, the guy fault, like the boat get knocked, the guy fall out and then just a pool of blood open up in the water.
Like that would have done better. And then. Then finally see the shark when Brody's jumping along.
[00:31:59] Speaker A: Brody's charming because people do get upset about J.J. abrams and how he holds the monster to the end and so on and so forth. But in the same sense, it builds so much suspense of not knowing what is what, attacking right on the edge. And so I think that was like.
[00:32:13] Speaker B: And Brody being our main character, that would have been the perfect scene.
[00:32:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But that scene. I'm sorry, I will say it might be one of my favorite scenes in movie history, in cinema history, is that scene where he's chumming and he's throwing the chum in there.
You see the Bruce, the shark come out and grab the chum. He has a cigarette hanging out and he just backs up into the. Into the cabin and looks to the right a little bit. Not at Quint. Quint is doing something down, like just looks off in the distance and says, you're gonna need a bigger boat, which they talk about. That was just a line written in the movie. It was not like, this is going to be the line of the movie.
[00:32:51] Speaker B: And yet it was delivered because of.
[00:32:53] Speaker A: The way it was delivered and the way it was set up and the way that the scene itself happened. It became a iconic line in film history because of. People use it all the time for everything. You need a bigger. You're going to need a bigger story. You're going to need a bigger car.
It's a thing. But just that moment. And then they quit getting up and being like, oh, and getting stuff done. Like, knowing the. Knowing what just happened. Like, yeah, without speaking. Knowing that he saw the shark. And I think that was.
[00:33:17] Speaker B: And then the fact that, that you start getting the, like, Ahab, where he's like, he is. He has to get the shark. When. If I was Brody, you're afraid of the water already.
You feel like you're not equipped properly. Like, I would have been freaking out. Yeah, I'm with him. Like, I'd been freaking out. And get me the hell out of here. And yeah, give me a big. I want to call the Navy at this point. Right. Like, I'm not going back out here without a battleship.
[00:33:43] Speaker A: The shark was bigger than the boat. Like, it's. It's how it was. And they saw it, and they saw it swim by and they saw the 25 footer and.
[00:33:49] Speaker B: And they'd had that whole thing with, like, Cooper going out before and the boat being, like, chewed and destroyed when they show up there, which I will say that scene. Terrifying jump scare. But when he finds the tooth.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:04] Speaker B: But then the severed head, like, floats in. That's a. That was a bit. That scene's always the one scene. I'm always like, ah, we could have done that. Yeah.
[00:34:13] Speaker A: And he dropped the shark tooth, which makes sense because it adds to the film plot because he needs.
[00:34:17] Speaker B: Do you have the tooth on you? No, I don't. I dropped it like. Oh, well, then you're probably full of crap.
[00:34:22] Speaker A: And I think a forgotten person in this film, in part of this film, is the mayor. The guy who. Who is. Is. It's the thing. He's the thanos of it all. You're doing the wrong thing because you think it's the right thing to do for your town.
[00:34:38] Speaker B: Every time, Justin, Every time I watch this and the little boy gets eaten and the mom slap, I was like, I would just deck that mayor. I would have just.
[00:34:44] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:34:45] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
Brody wanted to shut everything down. Could have saved that little boy's life. But no, no, no. That guy.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: I'm not.
[00:34:53] Speaker B: Fine.
[00:34:54] Speaker A: I'm not going to get political on this and I'm not going to say any. Any actual people, but it's like politics or people follow people blindly. This woman probably looked going, it's not the mayor's fault. It's the police officer's fault. For some weird reason, the mayor is the one that wanted to close the beach and he knew. And so it's his fault. And so on and so forth and so. And then, Then that. That whole thing. I get it. He's trying. He's doing his job. Not just to keep his. His Persona alive, but to do the job. He needs to make money because he. That's how he. That's what his job is to do. He needs to spend my money.
[00:35:24] Speaker B: So if there's prosperity of the island, this and that.
[00:35:26] Speaker A: But, you know, you kind of go around the facts about how. Whether or not this is an actual.
[00:35:30] Speaker B: Thing, put people's lives ahead of.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: But then when he. Then when the shark attacks the guy in the pond.
[00:35:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:36] Speaker A: And he goes to the hospital and Brody brings him into the other. Like the. Around the curtain.
[00:35:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:42] Speaker A: It says, you're gonna sign this now. And the. And he's literally for A loss for words. And he's mumbling things.
And he's mumbling like, I was doing what's best for the town. Like he was. He was going.
[00:35:50] Speaker B: His mind was broken, trying to justify.
[00:35:52] Speaker A: And then he says to him and goes, brody, my kids were on that beach too. First of all, I was like, how old are your kids? You don't look that young, man. No, but that. That moment where you're like, he was doing what's best for the town, even with his kids.
[00:36:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: Potentially being attacked by a shark. And that's what it hit him was like when the guy got attacked and he saw it and he goes, oh, crap, this is. Any signs of paperwork and so on and so forth like that. I think it's overlooked as a scene and overlooked as a part of the movie.
He's a hated character. Like, no one likes the mayor, but like, it was that. And then. Yeah, but that. That did that and that. That twisted. I don't know, I just like, to me, I'm like, now I feel for this guy. I feel for him in moments where I feel for Thanos in a way where I'm like, you think you know what you're doing, what's right. You. You just have a twisted sen. What you should be doing. Like, you want.
[00:36:41] Speaker B: Thanos, with all that power, could have just expanded the universe, made food for everybody, all that.
[00:36:45] Speaker A: He's like, yeah, yeah, listen, it's that. It's that mindset. I think that the same thing. And again, I'm not going to get political, but there's certain politicians who do the same thing in their mindset. They think they know what they're doing is best on left and right. They just think they do. And so they do something way without.
[00:36:58] Speaker B: Thinking in the tunnel vision of it.
[00:37:00] Speaker A: Yes, yes.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: Take their mind off that.
[00:37:03] Speaker A: That's what Mayor was doing.
[00:37:05] Speaker B: It's the goal I set, and therefore it will be accomplished.
[00:37:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:37:07] Speaker B: And that was. And that was just Mayor.
[00:37:09] Speaker A: Like, if a couple people die and we have a good summer, whatever, it's not anywhere. We'll deal with it in the fall. And it was like, that's not the case in this situation. What I would have loved also nowadays, which we probably would have gotten, is why Jaws was the way it was.
[00:37:25] Speaker B: Right.
[00:37:25] Speaker A: Do you know? I mean, like, I'm glad it's not in this movie because it's not part of it.
[00:37:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Because there would have been, like. There would have been a bigger.
[00:37:32] Speaker A: But, like, a sequel would have been awesome. The sequel, actually, number two isn't horrible. Okay.
It's not amazing, but it's not horrible. It's the three and the four that are really bad, in my opinion.
[00:37:41] Speaker B: I couldn't get through two. I wanted to watch two this summer because I was like, I want more of all this. After I read the book and then we started watching two, and I was.
[00:37:49] Speaker A: Like, well, the only. I guess the biggest problem with 2 is the fact that it's basically the same story.
[00:37:53] Speaker B: It's basically the same story. They've lost the suspense side of it because, like, they're left and right. And it's just. Yeah. But I. I lost interest real fast.
[00:38:03] Speaker A: But if the second movie was a prequel to. And it involved Hooper looking for sharks and seeing this thing or some sort of twisted thing, and it had, like, a. Why is.
Why is this specific shark attacking humans on the shore when they normally don't?
Because the truth of the matter is, if you ask anybody who deals with sharks most of the time, what ends up happening, why people survive shark attacks is because they bite into you and realize, this is not what I want, and they let go.
[00:38:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:29] Speaker A: Do you mean it's not. They're not gonna try to eat you because they don't want to eat you. It's. They bite into you. They realize, oh, this is not what I want. And they, like.
[00:38:36] Speaker B: Sharks that will eat you are the ones that are, like, smaller. The like. And they're scavengers.
[00:38:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:42] Speaker B: They're the scavenger breed that will eat whatever they find. Whatever they come across that they can manage to chew on is what they'll eat.
[00:38:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:49] Speaker B: But. Yeah, the great white, they're always not going to try.
[00:38:52] Speaker A: No. And so that was that. That's the thing about it. And it's so funny, though, what have you watched, Paul, like, in your history of you watching films in your 40s now has scared you from wanting to do a specific. Like, to me, I'm like, I don't not want to go trick or treating because of Halloween.
[00:39:05] Speaker B: Right.
[00:39:06] Speaker A: Or I don't. I mean, I guess if you watch as a young kid, you probably wouldn't want to fall asleep. Watch after watching Nightmare on Elm street, like, you might not want to go to sleep, but like, there's not many films such an impact.
[00:39:17] Speaker B: I always think it'd be great to watch this in like a. Like a floating theater.
[00:39:21] Speaker A: Oh, that'd be so good.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: Like, would that be awesome to watch this thing? Yeah.
[00:39:24] Speaker A: In the dark, like on a beach. Like on York beach or something. Like that would be phenomenal.
[00:39:29] Speaker B: That'd be an amazing way to see this movie.
[00:39:31] Speaker A: On a barge.
Yeah, like watch it on a barge in the middle with you're going the.
[00:39:37] Speaker B: Whole movie or something.
[00:39:38] Speaker A: Like anything like that would be like at dusk.
[00:39:40] Speaker B: The atmosphere of this movie.
Yeah. So that's. Actually, I haven't watched Psycho yet.
[00:39:45] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:39:46] Speaker B: And I. I always want to watch Psycho. Like that's on my to do list because of being so famous. But I remember watching another show where one of the main characters finally watched Psycho and he was like, oh, it didn't bother me. And the guy's like, your hair is really greasy. You haven't showered, have you? And he's like, no, no, I'm just trying a new French thing where I don't. He's like, yeah, right.
[00:40:06] Speaker A: Well, I mean, think about like I was scared shitless from Jurassic park as a kid. Like, I watched that on. It's the same idea. I watched that by accident.
But I'm not like, oh, shit, I'm scared of the dinosaurs. There's no dinosaurs. It's not like there's nothing walking. A shark exists. The ocean exists. I live in New England. It's not like a crazy thing.
[00:40:22] Speaker B: This is a possibility. And I don't know, I remember coming out of the theater at Jurassic park to go to the bathroom and thinking, oh, God, I gotta look for a velociraptor on my way to the bathroom. Be like, wait, this isn't like real. That was how much effect that movie had. And I. I feel like I would love to see this movie on the big screen and see that and try to get that. I don't know. I've seen it so many times. I don't know if the suspense would be.
[00:40:47] Speaker A: But Paranormal Activity was like that for me. The first paranormal activity I saw with my ex wife in the theaters. And when I Went. When we left the theaters at night, it was dark, obviously, and got in the car and someone walked by the back window just to walk to the car. It's getting the. Out of me because I'm like, yeah, the suspense was there. I'm like, to me, you've got that heightened, like most of that film that you hear a creek in your house. You're like, that movie was real. Like, you feel that way. And so Jaws had this impact on people for a long time. There's probably still. Don't swim.
[00:41:15] Speaker B: They had to do Peter Benchley in a. In a. And people involved the movie had to do a bunch of stuff to get people to stop killing sharks.
[00:41:21] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:41:22] Speaker B: Because they don't kill sharks. And they're killed. They're. They're killing any shark.
[00:41:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:26] Speaker B: And they were like, sharks are not. This is not a legitimate. No danger to us. Don't go out there killing sharks for this. Yeah. Like, this is. This is not a legitimate problem. Guys, like, don't go out.
[00:41:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And here's the deal.
[00:41:41] Speaker B: And that's. That's the impacts movie that people were so scared by it, which is like, impressive. It's incredible to. To have that kind of impact.
[00:41:49] Speaker A: So whether you like the movie or not, the cultural impact of this movie could not be denied. You have the poster, which has been homage thousands of times. You have people not wanting to go swimming because of this whole thing. And then you have the music. And so one of the things that. The funny thing about it was that that John Williams is like, what is palpable? Is this gonna be scary?
Like, how is that? And then you add it layered on top. And I think it's a great piece of music in soundtrack outside of watching it just like put it on that. It's like, oh, that's cool. It's from Jaws and the eeriness behind it and stuff like that. But like watching it overlaid on the screen. So you're seeing the shark tail of the fin swimming and you hear, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. It's like, oh, my God. It's so. How these people. It's my. My whole thought process on Michael del Mundo and how sometimes his brain works on how he makes imagery and how he makes these. He draws these pictures. I'm like, how does John Williams in his head go? This is going to scare the. Out of people and start doing this.
[00:42:46] Speaker B: Oh, my God. When it started, like, they. When the scenes where they were like. I think that was one of them. Was that they were after dark and they were all drinking and they were tearing that. And then it starts.
[00:42:56] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: And then. And then at that point, they'd had a barrel on him or whatever, and that barrel pops and he's got the truck, the lights flashing, and you're like, oh, my God, like, he's coming for them. The shark's back. Coming for them is just phenomenal to me.
[00:43:10] Speaker A: I think I did a thing, a post. I'll have to look back on it. I'll just see what's going on here. But I did a post on Cape's website about iconic soundtracks from movies. And I want to say John Williams had like. Like five of the 10 that I did or something like that. But, like, which makes sense. I mean, you think about it, he's got a lot of things. He. He attached with Spielberg a lot and, you know, other things.
[00:43:30] Speaker B: And I'm sure if you needed. If you needed that, like, that sound to your movie, he's the person you went to.
[00:43:37] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:43:38] Speaker B: Like, when you need Christopher walking, you get Christopher walk.
[00:43:41] Speaker A: Yes.
And that's. I guess the other part about it is, like, Quint and those guys, the only one, Richard Dreyfus is the only one that really went on. I mean, what's his name? Quint died like, two years later after this movie came out. So that's. That's one of the reasons why he wasn't in the sequel anyway.
And he actually didn't get along with Dreyfus at all.
[00:44:01] Speaker B: Not at all. They said that that added to the filming because the two characters weren't supposed to get along. The two actors didn't get along. So it was. There was tension already there that was easy to go off of.
[00:44:11] Speaker A: Yeah. So I did a. I did a piece in 2022 that was about.
So Halloween, Star Wars, Jurassic Park, Indiana Jones, Back to the Future, Ghostbusters, Jaws, the Good, the Bad and the Ugly, and Superman, as well as ET Were all, like, iconic things. And Jaws is on that because, again, I think there's something to do with that song, that one song. But there's other moments that maybe you don't even notice it, which is great, because I think theme music is like lettering to me. If you want to compare comics. Comics and movies.
[00:44:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:46] Speaker A: Or shows, theme music is like lettering. If it. You hear it and it stands out to you, then it's probably not great.
If you think about it, when you're. When you're looking for it and you're like, oh, this makes sense. But when you look back and go, yeah, the music was Good. In that moment. That makes sense.
[00:45:01] Speaker B: The Quest songs in this, like, music going there. Like, they're on the boat, it's daylight, and they're chasing the shark down. And they've got, like, They've got him in their sights is phenomenal. Like, the music to that gets this, like, heightened adventure. Like, it's everything. I don't know. They just. Everything in this movie to me, just nails it.
[00:45:20] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I think if you look at this book Feral, when you look at it in your mind, don't you hear the song?
[00:45:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
[00:45:26] Speaker A: Like, it's like one of those weird things. The same thing when you see a Star wars thing. You know, when he's actually speaking of Star Wars.
[00:45:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:31] Speaker A: The guy who painted this poster for. For Jaws also painted Empire Strikes Back posters. And so that's pretty cool. It's like the. The combination there too, as well, for. For pop culture references. But I actually met him in 2015, was the fifth 40th anniversary. I met him because the guy was at a convention I was at Massachusetts, who had, like, a bunch of. He had some of the barrels from the movie. He had a bunch of, like, set pieces. And then they brought in this guy who did the poster to do a panel and talk about painting the poster and all that stuff, which is pretty cool. And again, he talked then about the phallicness of. Of the original painting and all that stuff. Yeah. Which is pretty funny.
[00:46:08] Speaker B: You know what that looks like?
[00:46:09] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. Big penis.
But yeah, so that's. Over the years, it's been. There's a reason why it's such a celebrated 50th anniversary. I mean, there's movies that pass. You go, oh, my God, I can't believe it's 42 years old and you didn't hear anything about it two years ago.
Because no one really cared about the 40th anniversary of these things. But there's also The.
[00:46:28] Speaker B: The.
[00:46:29] Speaker A: The 40th anniversary of Star wars, or whatever it may be, doesn't get as much of a fanfare, in my opinion, because there's so much going on with it. Like, there's no Jaws coming out now.
[00:46:37] Speaker B: I mean, there's. There's the other ones, but this is it. No one cares when the anniversary of Jaws 2 and 3 and 4.
[00:46:42] Speaker A: No, but. But the fact even that. The fact that all those Jaws movies came out in such early time. Like, early time in our lives or earlier. Closer to. I said early. Closer to the original film. The fact that there's a Star wars movie in production now say it loses some of the allure of this specific thing. It's the same. It's like back to the three films. But when we celebrated the 40th anniversary of Back to Futures because those films came out in such quick succession that they're, they're then they're, they're past, they're not current. And I think that's why, one of the reasons why this is like a such a big thing. And plus, I mean the animatronics of the, the shark, the practical effect about it, the on set location, all that stuff has something to do with it.
[00:47:20] Speaker B: Everything of this. They're never, they're never going to film this movie like this again.
[00:47:25] Speaker A: No, I will say there would be. No, I would confirm it now and.
[00:47:29] Speaker B: Have it come out.
[00:47:30] Speaker A: I actually think nowadays that if they ever were to reboot this, and I don't want them to just because there's no reason to. I like the idea of doing a soft reboot or the continuation sequel reboot that did was Ghostbusters with Back to the Future because I think it's possible, I think there's a way to like say that Marty's kids and I don't.
[00:47:48] Speaker B: Know if the actor plays Brody's still alive or whatever, but if they had a, a shark attacking and Brody's like there and he's like, yeah.
[00:47:55] Speaker A: I mean number three, was it three? Three was his kids that, that worked at a sea world where a shark got into. And so they connected it in that way. But I want a reboot for this if they, if they ever did a reboot. Reboot as a 10 part miniseries, not as a movie. Because you could easily set it up with the whole like getting used to the island and you know, like getting.
[00:48:20] Speaker B: To know people and then, and then.
[00:48:22] Speaker A: The last few episodes of them on the boat and killing the shark and doing all this stuff that to me would add the suspense to the whole.
[00:48:28] Speaker B: Thing that's even longer.
[00:48:30] Speaker A: And if you did it on streaming, you could have some more vicious attacks and things like that and so on and so forth. And you, and you can talk about, I mean you could do it more in current times. Oh, speaking of current times, I want to get this out there really quickly. I was talking to Taylor, I was like, isn't it funny watching a movie in 1975 based around a lot of people and this is based on true events in the sense that it's, there's no, there's no sci fi in this.
[00:48:51] Speaker B: There's nothing. Yeah, this could absolutely 100 have happened.
[00:48:54] Speaker A: Correct. Yes. That you go, ah, man, they didn't get that. Right? They didn't have that back then.
[00:48:59] Speaker B: Right?
[00:48:59] Speaker A: And then you're like, wait a second. No, they did because they filmed this in 1975.
Bathing suits they're wearing or the cars they're driving or the things they have. And I'm like, they didn't do that back in 1975. And I'm like, wait a second. They wouldn't have put this in the movie if it wasn't because. Yeah. It's not like they went back the. To the future and grabbed his cell phone. Like. It was just one of those things where I'm like, they didn't do that until it was like, this is filmed tonight. I'm like, oh, yeah.
Oh, that's weird. Yeah, it's the same thing when someone goes, oh, it's only back in year 2000. That was 25 years ago.
[00:49:31] Speaker B: It's. Yeah, that. That one hurts. That one hurt. The kid that was in here, the younger, he said, he's an adult. He's going to college. And then he. We were like joking around. He's like, yeah, how were the 1900s? And I was like, ow.
Damn, dude.
[00:49:46] Speaker A: First of all. And then it wasn't that long ago, but also was that long ago, if that makes any sense.
[00:49:50] Speaker B: That was. That never took place. There was no 1900s.
[00:49:52] Speaker A: But my. I had a co worker who just celebrated his 50th birthday last week. And so it was funny because he's the oldest person in the Orange Brewing Company. But I think it's funny. That's like this movie came out in 19. Who's 50 years old. He's 50 years old.
This is one of those movies that's like. And I guess if you look back at my top five, my top favorite movies of all time, you know, right now, my letter box, I have all.
[00:50:14] Speaker B: The minor in the 70s and 80s.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: Well, see, I was trying to think about. So number one for me is Shawshank Redemption. It's my favorite movie. I think it's. It's. It's perfect in a lot of ways. It's also well filmed. It's a great story, all that stuff. Then Jaws is number two.
[00:50:26] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:50:27] Speaker A: Then seven is number three again. So there's a. It fluctuates a lot of it. But like most of the movies. And Scream is in there too. I actually think Scream is one of my favorite. It's a. I. There's something about the Scream. But those were all made after I was born. The Only movie in that thing that was made before I was born was 1975, which was Jaws. And so like, I mean I got.
[00:50:46] Speaker B: Ghostbusters, I think was actually. Was Ghostbusters made in 82?
No, that was 84. It was 84. I was two. So. Yeah, but all my movies besides Jaws did come out within my lifetime.
[00:50:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep. Which is funny because like, so I have seven's in there. I have like Ex Machina, which is phenomenal.
Fight Club. Those movies are great. But a lot of those movies, again, I might have been young when some of them came out. Like I was born in 86. So it's like if I say, say TMNT was in there, it was only four when that movie came out. So it's not like. But it's just kind of funny. This movie is preceding that, you know, before that, 1975, 11 years prior.
[00:51:23] Speaker B: It shows how good this movie was and how well it was made in that. How well this holds up. I think certain movies of that era do. I think, I think the sci fi, with the exception obviously of like Star Wars. Well, the sci fi stuff is a lot harder. Well, you have expanded stuff like Jaws, Dirty Harry. Yeah, they're all very. This is all stuff that can happen. It all takes place with events that could occur localized.
[00:51:52] Speaker A: When you keep it localized, you keep it to the island of Amity, which is Martha's Vineyard filming location.
And, and you have it to be this one spot. Yes, they go out to the ocean, but it's like this one small community.
So you only have to shoot in location. One spot, you're in the ocean or you're on land. It's like this is. They're not going to California, they're not trying to be on a spaceship. They're not trying to do all these things. You keep it so small that there's less chance for screw ups or, or continuity.
[00:52:19] Speaker B: I mean Jaws, you go to Jaws, you go to Alien. If you want to go sci fi, it all takes place in the one ship. It doesn't do anything. There's one monster running around that you don't see that often.
You don't run into a lot of problems with the way it appears. And alien came out what, 79, right. Aliens back there.
So you don't run into any issues with that. So that keeps it.
Because that's a lot of it back then is them trying to go further than they had the technology to do. So if you could stick with the actual effects and have it come out looking good and lasting the way film.
[00:52:54] Speaker A: Has 100% practical effects. There's zero special effects.
[00:52:57] Speaker B: There's no. Yeah. And that's the thing. Now they would CGI it so much. It wouldn't look great. We just watched the original Jurassic park movie which has its scenes that are. Meh. Most of those scenes that are met are distant scenes where there's multiple dinosaurs in the background. The stuff of like the T. Rex, which is all practical. And the velociraptors are all practical. They look great and they're terrifying still to this day. They look great. We watched the third one with whatever this big spiked back thing is. And you can tell that they used like some CGI in it that really wasn't up to par. And it looks like a claymation cgi. It just looks bad. It doesn't. The technology wasn't there to justify what they were using. So it doesn't work.
[00:53:39] Speaker A: No. And that's part of it. Simple is better.
[00:53:42] Speaker B: This was why Jaws is so successful.
[00:53:44] Speaker A: I think there's. That you have only time you need special effects or practical effects. Is the. Is the Jaws character or. That's a character. He's a character. Bruce.
[00:53:52] Speaker B: He's a character.
[00:53:53] Speaker A: And then you obviously have the shark character. It's shark that they killed. They killed and strung up. Obviously that's not a real shark.
But like. So there's all those. There's only. And that's the thing that happens that you got the fear of a horror film and the thriller of a thrilling film and the science fiction of the fact that this. This massive shark is eating people and you mix them all into one. You make this film. But it's very simple as base. And I think that is why it did so well in that sense. I think people could relate to the fact that it's based in real life. It's could happen. Like you mentioned. I think you could. You could all. Most of us can relate to who live on the ocean or on eastern western that you relate to the ocean water.
[00:54:31] Speaker B: Something bumps you and you're like what was that?
[00:54:33] Speaker A: And so I think all that together. And I think Spielberg did an amazing job for directing it. Who didn't actually get nominated for best director at the Academy Awards. He.
The film was nominated for best film of the year but lost to One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest, which. Okay. It's pretty phenomenal movie too. But I'd like this movie better than that. But like it's still. Right. I can understand that at least.
[00:54:54] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:54:55] Speaker A: And it won like best was even nominated.
It Won best sound.
Sound thing. They won best music. Won a couple other things too, but like it's so it's. They won some other things, but like, it's pretty crazy that this didn't win or have at least nominated. And he said that. He goes, I wasn't expecting it nominated, but so many people around me were telling me that I should be. But then when you did that, when he didn't get nominated, it was a disappointment. And so I think that's a big thing to him. I think he. But again, it's fascinating to me and honestly, if you look at it, it's number 199 out of 250 on the IMDb top rated movies of all time.
199 makes the list.
[00:55:34] Speaker B: But I. How is it not higher than.
[00:55:36] Speaker A: It's 8.1 out of 10. So my favorite movie of all time, Shawshank redemption is a 9.2.
[00:55:41] Speaker B: Right.
[00:55:42] Speaker A: Okay, so. But the 8.1 to 10 is. So I feel like it's so hard to get there. And so I understand some of that, but there is some films in there that I'm like, there's no way that movie's better than this one. No.
[00:55:51] Speaker B: Certain people are gonna just dislike. I, I just plain don't like movies about the ocean. So I don't like Jaws, like, or I don't like sharks, or I don't. So I'm just not gonna. So you're always gonna have some of that. Like, it's. It's like watching cooking shows when they make. If it was me, I'm a judge and they come up and they serve me shrimp and I'm like, I don't like shrimp. So I give your dish a lower and it's like, that's a personal thing.
[00:56:10] Speaker A: What's the untapped of the world of people don't like our beers because it's an IPA.
[00:56:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't like IPAs. Yeah. OBC.
[00:56:17] Speaker A: What bothers me though is like, if you put that in a scale of one to 100, that's an 81. Right?
[00:56:22] Speaker B: Right.
[00:56:23] Speaker A: That's not eight. There's no way this was an 81 out of 100.
[00:56:25] Speaker B: It's way better.
[00:56:26] Speaker A: Crazy.
[00:56:28] Speaker B: One hundred and ninety nine out of 200. How the hell is it that low?
[00:56:33] Speaker A: To me, Rotten Tomatoes is more of a place because there's actual critics that get to do this thing and so on. So critic rating of Jaws on Rotten Tomatoes is a 97.
Which is great. A 50 year old film and now many times it's Been reviewed probably a 97, but that would be a 9.7 out of 10 if it was on IMDb.
[00:56:51] Speaker B: Right.
[00:56:52] Speaker A: So that's fan wise is a 91 again still to me is great because that's like I said, Shawshank Redemption. My favorite would be a 92. This is a 91. So that, that. Okay, that's great. So it's awesome. And it made $480 million over, over its lifetime. I think. It was also released again this year, I think in some theaters because of the 50th anniversary and things like that.
No question to me, honestly, Paul and I. It's a five star movie.
[00:57:17] Speaker B: Movie.
[00:57:17] Speaker A: It's a five star movie.
Yeah.
[00:57:20] Speaker B: Go watch Jaws. Go watch Jaws at your, at your local like beachfront. Go sit in the water.
We have 10 years at night with your 10 years on and you're a little floaty and just try not to pee in the pool. Guys.
[00:57:35] Speaker A: Goal for capes and tights and galactic comics in 2036 or 35, we do a sponsored viewing this movie.
[00:57:45] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:57:46] Speaker A: And we could actually do it privately and have it be like no tickets sold, whatever, and not have to get the permission to do it.
[00:57:52] Speaker B: We could just do it.
[00:57:53] Speaker A: So we'll figure it out.
[00:57:56] Speaker B: It's like the, the ones that the 3o station does with King there. You have the win tickets to get here, do whatever. But it's just, it's just a fun, crazy thing to do. Yeah. Hell yeah.
[00:58:08] Speaker A: You have 10 years to plan this, Paul.
[00:58:10] Speaker B: We'll figure out. Here we go. But we got to wrap it around Galacticon events and everything else we're doing.
[00:58:14] Speaker A: We have 10 years to figure it out. I mean by the time 10 years from now, Galactica will run itself. Right. We're not going to worry about that.
[00:58:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that's, that's. Sure, that seems legit.
[00:58:22] Speaker A: Maybe.
But in the meantime, we'll be able to celebrate the anniversaries of some other films next year. Fun. I looked it up. Let me look at this. It's funny. I'm like, how am I going to figure this out? I'm like, to be honest with you, they're probably going to be the higher grossing films of those years that are actually worth watching. And then I went back and was like, well, actually technically not all of them would be that because there are some films like, like it's the 20th anniversary of one of my favorite comedies of all time, Grandma's Boy. And so like that wasn't a high rate, but it's, it's Right. You know, so like, it's, it's. There are some out there that are.
[00:58:48] Speaker B: Well, we all have this movie. Like, I absolutely love Dirty Work. And the amount of people who have no idea when I say Dirty Work, what I'm talking about, like, come on, it's Norm MacDonald. Like, it's phenomenal. This movie's amazing.
[00:58:57] Speaker A: Yeah. And so I might actually start planning.
Yes. From those random movies like this. Maybe we'll start reviewing. But more be like, oh, it's. That's 10th anniversary is next year. We'll do it next year. That kind of thing. We're going.
[00:59:09] Speaker B: You know, it'd be another fun one too, is if we do that, like the best recommendation movie, the one that no one's heard of, that I say you've got to watch, and the one you say you got to watch. And we sit there and can do this one for people to go like, oh, I should go watch whatever this movie is.
The Adventures of Fort Fairlane.
[00:59:24] Speaker A: Oh my God.
Five stars. That's great. Yeah, you just, just Right. And here's the deal. The benefit of the 50th anniversary. Got a Blu Ray player. Get a 4.4K Blu Ray, 4K TV, whatever. They did really re release it. 50th anniversary packaging comes with a documentary in it.
[00:59:42] Speaker B: I bet that holds up well. Because I feel like this movie would still hold up well. I gotta tell you, I. I watched Terminator going from VHS to Blu Ray. And when you made that jump, it didn't look good.
[00:59:50] Speaker A: Well, it's like porn.
[00:59:52] Speaker B: Nobody wants to see that. No.
[00:59:57] Speaker A: Who wants to see someone's like, sweaty body? And like, it's like one of those things you almost. It was almost better watching it on like scraggly TV when you couldn't actually get the channel. You're trying to get between channels and try to get the naked channel on your TV. I'm like, no one wants to watch 4K porn. And if you do, you really got a problem, man. I'm sorry, that's. I don't.
I don't want to see what's growing on that 4K porn. Oh, God.
But Jaws. 50th anniversary. Happy 50th anniversary to Jaws. It was really fun to do that again. This year we did the 40th anniversary of back to the Future, so check that one out. And we did the 50th anniversary of JAWS. And next year we'll do some anniversary films as well as mix in some other films on that too. But yeah, this is great.
If you are in the Bangor area, visit Galactic Comics and Collectibles, you know, for stuff. Check their Facebook. They got a little struggle this past weekend, so support them.
[01:00:45] Speaker B: We had our problems this weekend. Your Support's appreciated and. Galacticcommercycollectibles.com relaunching. I'm gonna use the word soon. The old one is down and I'm. Amazing amount of people who have notified me. Do you know your website's down? Like you actually look at that thing.
[01:01:00] Speaker A: What's the best part about this old one's coming? Have you ever seen the episode of. Of the Office where Jim's like, what are you talking about? We have a website. And he goes to the website. It says, still under construction. As a guy like doing like this.
[01:01:12] Speaker B: It's where we're at. We're at that stage right now. But I promise you, people much smarter than me are working on it.
[01:01:17] Speaker A: There you go.
It works. It's awesome. So I'm excited. Yeah. And then, yeah, coming out to the. We got some more stuff coming up. We're hopefully gonna do a Band books week thing. Talk about some band comic. Graphic novels banned.
[01:01:29] Speaker B: You gotta read it.
[01:01:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And my wife's like this. That's banned. Where the Sidewalk Ends is banned, Paul.
[01:01:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I grew up with that.
That's.
[01:01:39] Speaker A: I understand that some books like Kill a Mockingbird and some books, I don't want them banned. I can see where someone is trying to put this. Other books, I'm like this hop on pop. Like Dr. Seuss, hop on Pop.
So we're gonna get into that. We'll talk about that. We'll do the. More the graphic novel side of stuff. Because I think there's also that there's like genderqueer and there's other things which again, it's artwork. It's a form of expression. People should be able to do this and so on and so forth. But we'll get into that when we do banned books coming up here pretty soon. But yeah, Visit Galactic Comics, 547 Hammond street in Bangor, Maine. And visit our Facebook. All that stuff, Paul, until we talk again.
Five stars. Jaws.
Five stars for 50th anniversary works. Perfect. There we go. Love it.
[01:02:22] Speaker B: Sam.
