[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to another episode of the Capes and Tights podcast right here on capesandites.com. I'm your host, Justin Soderberg. We're hosted or hosted. We were returning guest, hosting a returning guest, Paul Eaton of Galactic Comics and collectibles in Bangor, Maine. We're here to talk the Generation X made for tv, which was originally pilot for a tv series, turned into tv movie on Fox that came out in 1996. We're here to discuss just that. The X Men films a bunch more, including at the very end of this episode, talking a little bit about our convention that's coming up, our comic show coming up in June 2024. You're in Maine, so check that out. But before you do, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Blue sky, follow us on all those like rate, review, subscribe, all those things over on Spotify, Apple, and all your major podcasting platforms, as well as check out our YouTube channel and visit capesandtites.com. This is our episode reviewing the Generation X made for tv movie with Paul Eaton of Galactic Comics and collectibles. Enjoy everyone.
Whose voice do you think that is, Paul? Is that a computer generated voice or is that like a Siri person?
[00:01:17] Speaker B: Right. That's probably an AI.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: Well, welcome to the podcast, Paul.
This is how we do things here on the captain tights podcast.
Yeah, so we're going to talk movie reviews. At some point, Paul will come back on. It was nice to have the little break because we did the comics of the year, but some come on and just talk, shoot the shit about comics again. But we do a lot of this fun movie reviews. If anybody doesn't know that's what we do. Originally, we had decided to do whatever movies, and then we decided that it's more fun to pick apart and watch some of these movies a we've never seen before or haven't seen in a long time.
And technically, some people classify this Generation X as a tv pilot because it originally was supposed to be, but then they did rerelease it or decide they weren't going to go forward with it and then release it as a tv movie. So he was originally a tv pilot for a tv show and then became a tv movie. So this technically qualifies as a movie review? Yeah, in my opinion.
[00:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I was reading this aired as like a movie run or something Fox was doing.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: They were looking at potentially to do that, and then they ended up optioning not to. And maybe this is the reason why.
[00:02:29] Speaker B: I had never heard of this movie at all.
[00:02:32] Speaker A: The Internet, man. That's what happens. You go online, you type in things like movies based on comic book comics, Marvel Comics, and it comes up. And so I was like, oh, what the hell? So I finally was able to search and find it on the Internet because there's certain things that aren't easily found because seems like Marvel and Disney are like, we don't want you to find this.
[00:02:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think this is coming to Marvel or Disney plus anytime soon. Yeah, I did see, when I looked it up to read about it a little bit more, I did see that it is on YouTube or I don't know if it's the whole thing or only clips of it. But, yeah, for all you YouTube subscribers out there, you can go ahead and watch.
[00:03:18] Speaker A: It's a, it's an interesting movie, for sure.
[00:03:22] Speaker B: Interesting is not a bad term for this.
[00:03:25] Speaker A: So, yeah, we're here to talk movie reviews. And so it's fun to do these things because they're out of the ordinary. And Paul mentioned before, but Paul's wife is always like, why does Justin make you watch these? And to be honest with you, I honestly would rather watch these than a lot of the other movies that are out a. I wouldn't just sit down and watch these movies when there's a point to it, when there's an actual reason to watch this and discuss it. That makes sense. I'm not just going to throw on generation X, not to be confused with degeneration X, just so everybody knows. Not to be confused with degeneration X.
But no, degeneration X movie from back.
[00:04:03] Speaker B: In the day, I think might have been better than this. I'm not sure.
[00:04:06] Speaker A: But that's the thing.
[00:04:07] Speaker B: It's like a 30 minutes.
[00:04:08] Speaker A: And that's why this has to be taken a little bit differently, because it was a tv show. But we all know until more recently. Until what? Like Game of know, the new marvel shows and things like that. Things were treated as tv shows.
[00:04:25] Speaker B: Do you think HBO started this trend of having high quality television shows that are more like movies? Do you think that's like the HBO trend?
[00:04:34] Speaker A: Yeah, because, I mean, Game of Thrones was like, I think one of the first ones to actually have budgets that were like movie budgets or at least a scaled down movie budget. But, okay, the budget for this, the budget, quote, unquote, quarter to the Internet for this, 4 million, but $4 million to make an episode of a tv show, it's actually not crazy. For a lot of times nowadays, that's what the budgets are. When you get into 20 episode seasons.
[00:04:57] Speaker B: This is like 96, right? What was the average budget of a tv show then? Or something like that. Do we know X Files are comparable?
[00:05:07] Speaker A: Was this two episodes? Was it more? Because it actually was like an hour and a half long.
[00:05:12] Speaker B: It probably would have been like, what? Probably two episodes? If this was going to be an hour show.
[00:05:17] Speaker A: Yeah, 87 minutes. It'd be an hour and 27 minutes episode for 1996 would be a long, long show. So it would probably have been the pilot split into two episodes. And so if it's $2 million an episode in 1996, maybe that was a little high, maybe not. But maybe some of that's post stuff to get it to be made into a movie. I don't know how someone figured that budget. Someone probably heard in a conversation was like, yeah, $4 million. Let's put it on the Internet.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: That seems reasonable.
[00:05:42] Speaker A: So it could be made for $800,000. We don't know. We found it out on the Internet that says $4 million. So whether that's true or not, we'll see. Yeah, I don't know. The fact that episodes of Game of Thrones are made for Game of Thrones.
[00:05:59] Speaker B: That'S got to be. Holy smokes, fast.
[00:06:01] Speaker A: What do you think?
[00:06:02] Speaker B: An episode of Game of Thrones has got to be well over.
[00:06:04] Speaker A: Okay, so $6 million per episode is what they say. But some of them jumped in the last season, season six, seven, and the final season. They were between ten and $15 million an episode.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: We're looking 96 the CGI and stuff and special effects using this probably were more expensive then because it wasn't as commonly readily used as it is nowadays. I'm sure a lot of streamlined in that production stuff now than was back then.
I'm going to throw it out there. Justin, you ready for this? You ready for the earth shaking thing? I liked it. I actually liked Generation X.
It was entertaining. I was entertained during it. If you're putting this up against other things we've watched, I liked it a lot better than man thing.
[00:06:56] Speaker A: Okay. Sorry. I just want to read it. Three to $4 million is the average cost as a drama series in the mid ninety s. It says two to two and a half million for a sitcom, which would be half an hour. This would have been more of an hour drama series about on par realistically.
[00:07:16] Speaker B: For cost of it. So the special effects are definitely 96 made for tv special effects, but they aren't horrible. I think they at least matched other things of that timeline versus like going back and watching the $1 million Fantastic Four movie that do not match the special effects of that timeline if you pair this up against stuff that was on in that era.
If I had been, like, 96, all right, I would have been a freshman in high school.
If this had gone on to be a tv series, I would have watched it 100%.
I would have watched this back in 96.
As a Marvel purist, I'm fortunate in the fact that I have never read Generation X.
I know Emma because it's focused around Emma. And there it is.
[00:08:05] Speaker A: Did you believe first appearance X Men 318 1st appear Gen X? So it's the first appearance. I have it written here.
[00:08:13] Speaker B: Okay, that's our first Gen X appearance. That's right.
[00:08:15] Speaker A: Gen X appearance right here. So this is when she leaves the Xavier.
Me either. I was not a huge. I mean, I have this comic because early days of collecting comics, I was a, oh, let's get some first appearances. And this is like $3 1st appearance, so why not?
[00:08:34] Speaker B: I don't know if. Because what?
Cassidy Banshee and Emma Frost are the two head of the school, and I don't know if that's accurate to Generation X or not. I have no idea.
It's like, I don't know. The students. I read that two students of this were created for the show because two of the characters in the comics would have been too hard to portray their powers.
And if they were popular, they said if the show took off because Stan Lee was on the production team of this, they were going to add the two characters from the show into Marvel comics. Had this been successful, like a successful, you know, reading that, it sounds like the other characters were probably in the comics.
Generation X, I don't really know.
[00:09:19] Speaker A: So Generation X, number one, the actual comic book featured chamber, Husk, Jubilee, m skin, and Cinch.
So out of those, if you ask anybody, name one of those people that, you know, the only one people are going to say is Jubilee.
There's not many people, but like most things good, I was reading, like, chamber.
[00:09:41] Speaker B: And were the two left out. And Hoskile sort of included with the new girl, Ari was an addition that was essentially having super strength, but Haskell tears their skin off and is like a different muscle bound version underneath. And they couldn't do chamber because he's essentially a walking nuclear power plant. His whole upper torso and head is just like a floating skull and this giant energy thing. So at that point, there was no way they were going to do that.
But, yeah, you're right. Jubilee is, like, the only known character.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: If you look at. Go further down, I'm looking at the characters that are in it on Wikipedia. And so you go further down. And so issues 18 through 25, Franklin Richards is part of the group. So that's obviously someone. Someone knows a leech is in there. Mondo is added.
[00:10:36] Speaker B: Leech was in exterminators, I think, originally, and then came into.
[00:10:42] Speaker A: The 75 issue. First of all, Generation X Men for 75 issues, which doesn't surprise me. It has an x in it, especially.
[00:10:51] Speaker B: In the height of it with x 92, I think that picked up generations of X Men fans. The original animated, that was my launch point. X Men officially really becoming a big thing was that animated series. So it makes sense. You made up to 96 and you still have some of that generation in there grabbing comics and stuff. So if it says X, they're going to buy it.
[00:11:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And so 75 issues came out. You guessed you might know this, but how many different iterations of the team generation X do you think are in the 75 issues?
[00:11:26] Speaker B: The first 75 issues, I'm going to say a dozen.
[00:11:31] Speaker A: 22.
[00:11:32] Speaker B: Holy smoke.
[00:11:33] Speaker A: And it's probably more like 20 because issues one through three. Yes, exactly. One through three. And issues 14 through 17 have the exact same group. But that's just different times they added and subtracted people and the same thing. The main group is chamber Husk, Jubilee M Skin cinch and Penance. That's the one that stays together the most throughout.
[00:11:56] Speaker B: This whole thing was originally speedball from Spiderman was the first appearance. Yeah. And he becomes penance. Yeah.
Not new avengers.
[00:12:12] Speaker A: I can't remember. Hold on. Where is this penance?
[00:12:14] Speaker B: Trying to keep up with all the Hollow.
[00:12:17] Speaker A: Hollow is formerly known as Penance.
But again, I guess the point is, Paul on this whole thing is this to me is similar to when we talked. We talked about it in the past about picking random people to make movies like this has the X in it. And this is an X thing. It's got school, Professor X's school, all that stuff in it. But it's little known characters. It's Jubilee in a bunch of people that people don't know. And to go this route for a tv thing to get people to watch it, it's just a weird. It's weird.
[00:12:50] Speaker B: We got a bunch of angsty teenagers.
[00:12:52] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:12:53] Speaker B: Which is going to be great for especially 96 era here.
And it might be safer going Generation X than if they were trying to do X Men and it not look good. And correct your X Men purists being very upset you're not going to back in 96. Probably have a very good interpretation of Beast on screen Wolverine, you've got these super mainstream love characters, so why not maybe go off and say, we'll use these guys that let people know, and we're not going to upset people no matter how this comes out.
[00:13:27] Speaker A: Who knows?
[00:13:29] Speaker B: The main character, Jubilee, the most relevant one, her powers were, well betrayed.
She essentially shoots fireworks out of her fingers. Big Wolf.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: The episode aired at February 2096, but that means they made it in 95. But that still could mean that behind the scenes in the Marvel world of creating movies, they were in development for the movie that came out in 2000 for X Men. And so they would have touched what's coming out then with this and the fact that there's also a possibility Marvel didn't have at this time, didn't really have the ability to say yes or no to this. Fox owned the rights to the X characters, and so they basically were able to do what they wanted. It does make sense. I mean, five years later, Smallville came out. You know what mean so, like, in that sense that it was in people's minds to do this. Angsty.
[00:14:24] Speaker B: Was. It was definitely big in this era, and I felt like this was kind of what I was comparing it to was giving it a little leeway, but sort of comparing it to Smallville. And Smallville has the occasional cheese factor in it. And this is definitely, like, cheesy, kind of hokey.
[00:14:42] Speaker A: Made for young adults, made for teenagers. It's not made for you and I. It's not made for an older person.
[00:14:47] Speaker B: Tended for 40 year old man to watch and pick apart. In 96, too, Paul was the target audience.
[00:14:54] Speaker A: If you think about 96 too, that was the end of the animated series run, too. So, like, 96, 97 is right around there where the end of the series came. And so the name Jubilee was known to people in that sense because she was in the animated thing. And so maybe they could have been like, we just did the animated thing. Let's do a live action thing featuring someone from it, which is Jubilee, and then make it different and so on. But as a whole, it's a weird thing for me to think about, like, okay, Generation X is what they went with instead of X Men. However, your pick. It makes sense in the sense that they're trying to do something different as well, as if they didn't want to mess up a property. Like, they just learned from a fantastic four that they don't want to just take one and throw it to it, that they could do this. And this could have also checked the box off saying, we did something with X related characters. But we didn't actually do the X Men. You know, I what mean, there could have been that whole, like, we get to keep the rights because we did something with it. We did.
Interesting.
[00:15:49] Speaker B: There wasn't a lot about that either as far as, like, because I did some Internet scrolling afterwards and there wasn't a lot about this development and why this was necessarily made.
But if you look at me growing up, X Men 92, I'm all in. I'm loving it. And now 1996, I'm a freshman in high school.
I've grown out of my cartoons and action figures stuff there. And you're going straight into, well, then here is this group of teenagers, live action. I totally would have just gone straight on board with it. It would have been like, oh, yeah, all right. I can keep doing my superhero thing. Doing this in the era where you're in high school and it's less cool to be into superheroes and this and that.
So in some respects, it really wasn't a bad marketing campaign employee first time.
I don't know. They just didn't do something right, apparently.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: Because obviously, I don't think maybe marketing wasn't there because I was ten. Okay, so I was born 86. I was ten when this came out, or almost ten. I was nine, but I would have been ten in May. But I watched the animated X Men tv show.
It's not like ten years old. I would have watched this show easily would have watched this show at ten years old. But I literally didn't know about it until about last year. Do you mean like, so they didn't even. Wasn't even on my radar as a big combo.
[00:17:15] Speaker B: This apparently got like, what, one showing on Fox? And it was just like, it's. It's gone now.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: We'll never pretend.
[00:17:22] Speaker B: Yeah, which is weird because it's not really all that bad. The villain is interesting.
Well, could they not afford Jim Carrey? I wrote poor man's Jim Carrey.
[00:17:34] Speaker A: I wrote poor man's Jim Carrey on.
[00:17:36] Speaker B: It is spot on. Watching Jim Carrey on screen, it was like they found a guy and was like, hey, can you just act like Jim Carrey for us?
Go watch Batman forever with him as the riddler. And then can you just turn that up a notch and you're totally going to be him?
[00:17:52] Speaker A: If you want to get into.
[00:17:55] Speaker B: Russ something is the main character. He's made up, too. I double checked him. I was like, is he a villain? Like, is he a mutant?
[00:18:01] Speaker A: I think he's probably amalgam of multiple people. But shadow king like, right.
[00:18:08] Speaker B: Like Shadow King. You enter these shadow realms and he could be there, and it's very dangerous. You could run into him. And that's kind of the thing where the kids enter this dreamscape land for those that obviously haven't watched Generation X, and they run into him out there. So he felt sort of like Shadow king from the comics a little bit. Except this guy was.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: His name is Russell Tresh.
[00:18:30] Speaker B: Russell Tresh. There you go.
[00:18:31] Speaker A: The actor is Matt Brewer.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: Right?
[00:18:34] Speaker A: Matt Fruer. And he actually was, if anybody doesn't know, is Mollock.
Molockchk. Sorry. M-O-L-O-C-H. From watchmen.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: Really?
[00:18:50] Speaker A: I don't know what.
[00:18:53] Speaker B: I've only watched watchmen once.
[00:18:55] Speaker A: He was a voice of panic in the Hercules movie in 97.
[00:18:59] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:19:00] Speaker A: He was big Russ Thompson in 1980. Nine's honey, I shrunk the kids. And if anybody watches, which is one of my favorite, honestly, people sometimes hate me for this, but it's dawn of the Dead, 2004. Dawn of the Dead movie, I believe is better than the original, which people got any horror fans going to crucify me for that? But he was also frank in that. So he is someone that's been around Hollywood, and he's still acting, I think, to this day. He was just in a tv show in 2020, so he is out there. He was Logan on the Walking Dead for six episodes.
[00:19:37] Speaker B: He's super high energy in this movie. Like, super high energy.
He's definitely got, like, a weird, creepy vibe to him, but he is. He's 100%.
They just didn't paint him green, and he was just a mask.
So hardcore. We just pulled Jim Carrey for this because he's just bouncing all over the place and weird facial features and a high pitch changing voice and just strange, strange, strange, too.
[00:20:13] Speaker A: And also, you're picking character. Why do you make a villain the villain? So you're not talking about a character in the Generation X group that you're just making up for the tv show because you're trying to fill this group out.
And some of the original characters are hard to cast because of special effects and all that stuff. Then you take the main villain, the person who gets, like 50% of the screen time based on everything else because they're the main villain, and make that person a non real character that really has no bearing anywhere else, ever, has never been taught.
It's just been this random character. Like, why wouldn't you pick someone something that you know, that you know? And here's the other part about it. I just put these two together? Two or two together.
Jack shoulder, the guy who directed this also directed a nightmare on Elm street two Freddie's revenge, which has to do with nightmares. And so I'm thinking myself, I'm like, oh, my God. This guy just went back to the. Well, he was just like, got to do it.
We're just going to do dreams, nights, nightmares in this thing. But, yeah, I don't know. I just don't understand why that's the villain they went with. Not that they were bad. I actually think it was kind of creepy and weird. It was actually added to the movie.
[00:21:22] Speaker B: Well, and with him being threatening to come back.
So, first of all, he enters people's dreams, and he can leave this subconscious idea that you could do anything. I mean, one guy ends up killing himself because of it. He thinks he's asleep, and he's like, just step off the ledge.
You get that creepy terror idea of what he could do to someone, and then the idea that you're restful time, you're going to sleep, and he's always going to be there at night, like, tormenting you.
That's a legit, like, wow, all right. That's kind of terrifying if you want to get down to it.
But it was a really strange choice. He's a character that has nothing to do with the comics, and I felt like in some respects, we could have introduced the kids and this and that and had an easier plotline of them dealing with antimutant things and just have a human villain that's not into all this weird dreamscape stuff.
[00:22:23] Speaker A: Is that hindsight, though? Because it worked so well in X Men two, in X Men the movie 2000, that's what they did in that movie. And so looking back on it was like, oh, they should have just done that. But obviously, comics, that's what the X Men's all about. But that's the X Men started out, and so it does make sense to do that. But they just jumped into this whole thing, and they also grabbed the beginning of the X Men animated series. If you watch the pilot to the X Men animated series, which goes to Xavier's school, was like, the exact same thing.
It was like, they pulled that from this. But then I was like, okay, but that's the only good thing. And I'm like, there's a lot of great things. Like, X Men animated series is one of the best comic book related things on the Marvel side, for sure, that's been on screen ever. They grabbed that one piece, and then everything else is like, okay.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: If this was going to be a pilot, and we're going to try to do this movie of it. So, first of all, we left this villain that he could return. He might be back, but you could have done the same thing with a human entity. And just at the very end of it, see the glowing red eyes of a sentinel, like, coming online?
[00:23:33] Speaker A: Yeah, they did.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: That would have been your ridiculous ending if you want to continue it instead of. Yeah.
[00:23:43] Speaker A: Was it yellow and red?
[00:23:45] Speaker B: I think so. Right? Yeah.
Why was he wearing this thing? So he abducts one of the kids, and he wants to do this surgery that's been his whole deal, right? He's going to remove the brain of a mutant and take out the piece that makes him a mutant, and he goes to do this in this elaborate, bizarre building he has, and he decides to put on this. What the hell is this thing? Like a kimono cloak?
Where did we come? And, boy, the jokes in this are really inappropriate.
[00:24:21] Speaker A: It's made for tv in 96. It's a Marvel based film, which if anybody's watched or listened to these episodes that we do on here, we've done man thing and man thing. There's actual nudity in it. So that's not the idea that Marvel wouldn't do that back in the just happened to be that way. Or the man thing was the early or mid 2000s, but something like that. Jubilee takes her shirt off. Obviously there's no nudity, but she's, like, holding her chest and stuff like that. It's like, okay, that's interesting.
[00:24:50] Speaker B: Very uncomfortable.
[00:24:51] Speaker A: There's a bunch of scenes in there that are like that, and they make some jokes that are like, holy crap. When they go to the bathroom, he goes, I can see your beaver. And I'm like, what the hell is going on?
[00:24:59] Speaker B: On right now? Yeah. I was like, seriously? This is going to be on, like, fox television, and they can see through things and have x ray vision, and that's what he's.
[00:25:08] Speaker A: Well, when he eventually saw through the girl that he was hanging out with, he saw through her pants and immediately left, because it's like, that's not right.
[00:25:19] Speaker B: He stops looking. Yeah.
[00:25:20] Speaker A: Yes. But also, not only dirty jokes, but there's also corny jokes, like officers Hootie and Officer blowfish.
[00:25:28] Speaker B: Yeah. This is what Emma froth pulls out.
Emma amazing powers, and she's supposed to be a high intellectual, and she's like, Officer Hootie and Officer blowfish.
I don't know if they did that to get the Joker and they did it to show that she can make anyone believe anything? You know what I mean?
[00:25:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:51] Speaker B: Mcoff's like, yeah, okay.
[00:25:53] Speaker A: But then someone was. We, we, we understand that that's not really what you are because Officer Hootie, Officer Blowfish. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. But also someone in the writing room or someone on the team, like friends of Hootie and Blowfish are just huge fans of the.
[00:26:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm just going to name drop them.
[00:26:09] Speaker A: Yeah, like, oh, let's just put them in there.
[00:26:12] Speaker B: The scene where the guy's got the kid strapped down and he's like, I can't let you leave this realm with that hairdo. And he pulls out a razor and he's like, have you been circumcised? And I'm like, yeah, what the hell?
What is happening right now?
[00:26:29] Speaker A: We figured out why this never went any further, Paul. Like, this is it. They're like, we can't do this anymore.
[00:26:34] Speaker B: We can't do this.
[00:26:35] Speaker A: Yeah, at the end of it, I'm joking about that, but at the end of it, they definitely set this up to continue. This is definitely not ended.
[00:26:44] Speaker B: The bad guy's defeated and he's in this mental institution. And you can see in his eye, the dreamscape is there. So you know, he's still out there somewhere. And he's creepy as hell, really popping up in your dream. So, yeah, they could have brought him back and you could have had more of this story arc. And I don't know, if it wasn't going on, I would have watched it as a kid. We probably would still be discussing it for not being very good.
[00:27:11] Speaker A: Yes. I mean, it wouldn't have gone more than a season, probably. But if you compared this to what they have to work with, what they have to do, mutant powers are the, and that's another thing why X Men or X related things are so funny that they even went into making in real life was the fact that they're the most difficult out of all superpowers out there to try to do. Oh, yeah, like, you can do people flying, but the X Men, the whole idea is mutations.
Seems like it's one of those things that obviously, invisibility is pretty simple and easy to do, just not in the room anymore. They just talk.
Mind powers, obviously, are pretty easy to do.
[00:27:50] Speaker B: That's trying to figure out how you're going to portray it and make it work. But they did fine with that. But, yeah, like Banshee and his hollering, he never flew. He didn't get Banshee flying, which honestly.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: Out of the special effects. This is definitely early 90s, mid 90s special effects for tv, but weren't that bad. Like you mentioned, off the top, the stretching skin.
I would watch a fantastic four movie with the special effects of that done. Obviously, they only did it, what, twice or three times in the movie. Really?
[00:28:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Two, three times in it.
[00:28:19] Speaker A: Maybe.
Arm stretching power did arm stretching once or twice. Twice, for sure. Pinches him and it pinches him. Pulls the skin. But they look like the pinching. I was like, oh, my God. I was like, wait, that actually doesn't look that bad. That doesn't look that hard. No. And the superpowers for Husk, the Husk version was that she took her shirt off and then she was like a bodybuilder. It was like they just swapped out a different body. And I was like, okay, I can totally tell that's not the girl.
[00:28:45] Speaker B: Yeah. And they didn't time that well either, because they show her getting changed, trying on clothes, because she always wears, like, super big, baggy clothes. And it's like she starts lifting the shirt and looks just like a normal person. And then the other girl, Jubilee, walks in, and she's ginormously.
[00:29:03] Speaker A: And she's also, I think, standing kind of like this.
If no one's watching you, why are you.
[00:29:09] Speaker B: Yeah, you're flexing. I mean, I flex all the time when no one's watching me, but that's not.
But, yeah.
[00:29:14] Speaker A: I don't know. It just seems like a difficult thing, and that's like one of those things. I'm reading the MCU book right now, Paul. The MCU, the reign of Marvel Studios. It came out in October. It's like a biography about how things happen behind the scenes. They talk to a bunch of people. It's extremely good.
[00:29:29] Speaker B: Is there a chapter about Generation X in it?
[00:29:31] Speaker A: No, there isn't. But they talk about early days like this and how there was a lot of early days stuff that they had either a no control over or people rushed into production and so on and so forth, trying to get things out there.
[00:29:46] Speaker B: Stan, it's going to be frustrating sitting there with some of the stuff fox did and watching it.
[00:29:51] Speaker A: Part of it also is Stan going in and saying, I want to make these things, and just really wanted to. If there was one big fault, other than obviously, we can talk for hours about whether who gets credit, all that stuff. We know that. But another big fault for Stan as a wonderful, as a man, he was to comics and what he actually made and did for comics. One of his big faults was trying to be too much in Hollywood. Towards the end of his big reign at Marvel, he was just in Los Angeles trying to push these marvel on tv and all this sort of stuff. And sometimes things like this get made. Again, not bad. You have to go into it. This is not Captain America, Winter Soldier.
[00:30:32] Speaker B: Oh, God.
[00:30:32] Speaker A: Captain America, America Civil War. This is not those movies or the X Men from 2000, honestly.
[00:30:38] Speaker B: But what it is Emma's wearing, what Emma wears in the comics and looks like Emma in the comics and Banshee's not bad. Like this, I don't know, black leather vest thing he's wearing. He's not bad. And they did the right with Jubilee, grabs her yellow coat, her trademark.
But the end scene where the girl is in the new uniform, that right there would be a reason to not continue this series when she shows up in this bright red spandex and the hair is all crazy done and this belt buckle keeps glistening with the X on it. That was a good reason to wrap this up and not continue the series because that looked horrible.
[00:31:23] Speaker A: The people behind the cheese are like, yeah, we're going to go forward with this. And then they saw that scene. They're like, yeah, we're not doing it anymore.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: This is canceled. Just until then. Done. Finish.
Yeah. Because the rest of it, like, the costume stuff, didn't look bad. So I really liked the girl who played Ari, their version of Husk.
She was good in it, but if you're supposed to believe that she was this, something about her muscle structure keeps rebuilding itself and she's like, enormously jacked and everything.
I don't know if you really buy that a lot from this. I don't know. You maybe needed a taller actress or a larger person because she's sort of small. She's smaller than most of the other characters there.
So I feel like that was a little bit hard on the casting side, but on the side of the powers and stuff, like the kid that they also. I think he was the self created one as well. The one with the sunglasses.
[00:32:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I had them up here on IMDb. It's great because they list them all, but they don't actually explain who they are. Like, what they are. So, like Fiona Hughes. I'm not going to go everybody's names, but there's Emma Frost, white Queen. There's Sean Cassidy, who plays Banshee, or Sean Cassidy.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: He was good. He was good.
[00:32:45] Speaker A: This name is 17 names in it because it's m. M who ends up becoming penance. It's like a morphed version of that jubilee. Mom, Mondo is in it.
Skin.
[00:32:58] Speaker B: And I don't know, Mondo's power is accurate, that he could absorb whatever he's touching, I guess. Yeah, right. Like, he just goes on.
[00:33:06] Speaker A: He doesn't like Jello. We know that, right?
Yeah, I don't then. So skin is in there, obviously, we talked about, oh, and then they changed the name of Susannah Davis is the one you just mentioned is to buff, B-U-F. But her name was this. And then refracts, I'm guessing refracts is the name of the guy who makes radiation giving from x ray vision. He beams. Is that there we don't want to use or can't do X Men character. You know what I mean?
[00:33:38] Speaker B: Right? Yeah, because he's Cyclops like, spot on.
[00:33:42] Speaker A: I saw it for the first time. We have the Internet, right? We have the ability to look up the Internet, and we can actually look this up. But if you were to watch this in 1996 on tv and just see that character show up on tv, you'd immediately think it was Cyclops.
Someone said something. Yes. And then when they're like, oh, x ray vision.
[00:33:58] Speaker B: He's not Scott. And they don't call him Cyclops and this and that, I'm like, okay. And then you find out he's always wearing the sunglasses to help control his x ray vision or whatever, but he does have it in the blast he can control. It's not like cyclopses that are constant and I don't know. It wasn't bad. He's this 1996 blonde haired, spiked haired kid and takes the glasses off, and his eyes are like this grayish blue. It wasn't bad. And him using his powers weren't horrible looking on screen. I mean, you figure they had the same time, Lois and Clark with Superman using his heat vision and all that. So it was not terrible. They're casting for characters and stuff.
[00:34:41] Speaker A: I would have liked, I don't know, jubilation. Jubilee was pretty good. But there's something about Jubilee. She's probably one of my favorite X Men analysis, the early 90s cartoon, probably more than anything.
[00:34:53] Speaker B: Sure.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: That I feel like when they eventually put Jubilee, like, jubilee, jubilee in the MCU and things like this, I really want to be nailed for casting because I just feel like, yeah, I don't.
[00:35:03] Speaker B: Think this was the perfect Jubilee, but not bad.
[00:35:06] Speaker A: Not bad.
None of this was bad. The only weird and creepy thing was they took a Jim Carrey character and made him the villain because I feel like that's the reason why they made him the villain was because he probably tried out for a different character auditioning. And they're like, you're freaking weird. You're the villain. We're making a villain. This is it.
But the casting was done well.
There were some weird scenes. Obviously, there's dream sequences in there. The dancing scene where he brings her dancing in the woods.
[00:35:37] Speaker B: Jungle or something. Yeah.
[00:35:39] Speaker A: That's what your dream is, to go dancing. Is that their interpretation? Like, we can't see them sleeping with each other because this is tv, so we can't get his real fantasies. This is as close as we're going to get. They're dancing in the jungle, and here he is.
[00:35:53] Speaker B: He's trapped in the school and this and that. So I guess whatever he's out doing his thing with this girl that he.
[00:35:59] Speaker A: Has the hawks for, that's the same. That might be what it is.
The teens will be teens thing. The whole, like, going out on town on the town and wanting to be free and all that stuff that they still have the powers, the way they treated, how people treated mutants like they treated them as lesser people and stuff like that. That worked out well. Oh, did you know the mansion? So the mansion for the Xavier Institute is Hatley Castle, which is also used for Xavier school in X two, X Men the last stand, X Men Days of Future past, Deadpool and X Men Apocalypse, as well as Deadpool two.
[00:36:36] Speaker B: No kidding.
[00:36:38] Speaker A: That's the one that pulled up to it.
[00:36:40] Speaker B: I was like, okay, that's cool.
[00:36:42] Speaker A: Yeah, because there's multiple x movies that use that same castle. So in the same sense, it's like, well, at least they had some of that on scene.
[00:36:49] Speaker B: We have that. So supposedly the potential of Deadpool three and him breaking the fourth wall and going multiple dimension wise.
[00:37:00] Speaker A: No, we're not going to show up.
[00:37:01] Speaker B: In Generation X. Oh, my God.
[00:37:04] Speaker A: The funny thing is, it'd be for people like you and I who are like, that's like fan service. But who the hell would know? Anybody out there?
[00:37:12] Speaker B: Dead guy's still acting. Deadpool could just pop into a dream and the guy's doing all this weird stuff, and Deadpool just like, bang.
[00:37:19] Speaker A: The funny thing is, though, what was hard about this Deadpool movies, though?
My wife loves the Deadpool movies, but doesn't want to watch. She likes the MCU a little bit, but a lot. But she doesn't like. She doesn't care as much about it that the people.
[00:37:32] Speaker B: My wife does not like the Deadpool.
[00:37:33] Speaker A: Movie, the Deadpool three. He's going to do all that stuff like half the stuff in the Deadpool three movie, if they do that stuff, are going to go fly over people like your wife and my wife's heads. Oh, yeah.
[00:37:42] Speaker B: I have no idea.
[00:37:43] Speaker A: We'll get some of it. All of a sudden, I know, we're like, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. And then you'll be like, oh, wait, that's only. I'm going to get that. Taylor has no idea what the, no.
[00:37:50] Speaker B: Idea what's happening right now.
[00:37:51] Speaker A: But yeah.
[00:37:52] Speaker B: Who is that person and why do you kill him?
[00:37:54] Speaker A: He, why did that guy sound like Jim Carrey but wasn't Jim Carrey? I don't understand.
But for, like, it made sense when you're watching it. When I was watching, so when we've watched Nick Fury, Agent of S-H-I-E-L-D we're.
[00:38:06] Speaker B: This was, this was much better than Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD.
[00:38:09] Speaker A: Yes. And when you watch it had a.
[00:38:12] Speaker B: Plot and a.
[00:38:16] Speaker A: Don'T. I would love to know more about this. I'd love to know a little bit about why it didn't move forward. What was the actual reason for it? Because obviously it got moved from a pilot to a tv movie to a tv movie. So obviously they put the money in and they're like, oh, I guess we'll continue going on with it somehow. So it's not like they wanted to bury it. No.
[00:38:42] Speaker B: I didn't see that. It got more than the one airing one whatever movie night Fox was trying to promote February 20 about it.
[00:38:50] Speaker A: Well, here's the reason why it didn't move forward. It's the same reason why.
[00:38:56] Speaker B: This ever come out on like dvd or something? Was this possible to even purchase back then? No, there's no vhs.
It's just disappeared. Wow, that's weird.
[00:39:06] Speaker A: So Agent Carter, you remember the show, Agent Carter? It was on.
I never had two seasons. It was critically acclaimed and I believe it won some awards, but got canceled because no one watched it. And so that's, I think, something like this movie on the night.
[00:39:23] Speaker B: Good. I still never watched it.
[00:39:25] Speaker A: The movie tied for 72nd out of 108 Nielsen rated programs that night.
So there was only found it, folks. What?
[00:39:36] Speaker B: On eBay, you can purchase Generation X, the dvd, the 1996 movie release.
Welcome to the future.
Heroes are no longer born.
[00:39:46] Speaker A: Created generation did put it out. They have it on Blu ray. It's available on Blu ray. Paul poster for it, $50 on Etsy. Jesus.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: Wait a minute. What?
Generation X, the movie poster has mutant, but it's generation sweepstakes sponsored by Sega. The makers of Sega Saturn we're Skybox, toy biz. Like, everybody and their brother is promoted on this poster. The world premiere of the original movie coming to Fox, February 1996. Kind of want to buy this poster and hang it up in the comic store. We need a bigger store to have so people could come and be like, what the hell is that?
[00:40:30] Speaker A: Here you go. Live action. So on Etsy, someone's selling a blu ray of it. There's no way someone made a Blu ray of it. Seriously, why is it not anywhere else?
[00:40:39] Speaker B: I can't find a Blu ray. All I can find it, and the dvd copy is, like, from 96. It's old and grungy looking in the case, but there it is. It's out there.
[00:40:47] Speaker A: The COVID of this Blu ray actually looks legit. Like, it looks like something that could be made nowadays, honestly. It's got the nice, cool Generation X logo on it, like the good one, right, which is also what they use. But the poster for this thing, the Generation X logo, is the Generation X logo from the comics.
[00:41:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it's straight up. They're trying to promote the comics, and the movie casing looks like they tried to make this, like, a horror. And it's got the old Marvel comics logo right on it.
[00:41:12] Speaker A: A new breed of superheroes.
[00:41:14] Speaker B: Generation X.
Yeah. I don't know.
How did I never see this? Somewhere I used to buy, like, when I got my first job and started having expendable money, I bet I bought anywhere from three to five movies a week. Like, paycheck comes, I'd go out, grab some movies.
I bought movies galore. And it's crazy. I never even saw this thing.
[00:41:41] Speaker A: Well, I'm trying to figure out whether or not the poster makes sense. But the Blu ray, this person says on etsy, it says, handmade, handmade ships from Vermont. My guess is that someone made.
[00:41:53] Speaker B: Someone made picture is okay.
[00:41:56] Speaker A: Not hd sound. Very cool.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: Justin. The one hardcore fan has made Blu rays of this and is trying to get this on the market for you people for $45.
[00:42:08] Speaker A: Okay, I wish you.
[00:42:10] Speaker B: I don't think I would spend $45 on this movie.
[00:42:12] Speaker A: Here's the big thing, Paul. Ready for this? There's only nine of them left.
There's nine left of this Blu ray. Whatever someone made, it's in the three people's carts. Paul.
[00:42:26] Speaker B: There'S a cult following for Generation.
[00:42:28] Speaker A: X. I'm going to have to link that on the website when we post this thing. Be like, you could buy it on.
[00:42:34] Speaker B: Ebay, support this Blu ray. Possibly illegal.
[00:42:38] Speaker A: I don't know what's going on there.
[00:42:39] Speaker B: Who knows what this is? So the thing is, it set itself eBay. I only see the one dvd I don't see anymore. That's it. But it's like a legit.
So there's a cult following for Generation X. All right.
[00:42:55] Speaker A: But the thing is, it's funny, like, if you look at the reviews on this etsy thing, people are like, the reviews for this shop, I couldn't look up. I couldn't look up Amazon reviews for this because it's not on Amazon.
[00:43:06] Speaker B: It's not on Amazon. Yeah, it doesn't exist. Amazon world.
[00:43:09] Speaker A: No, but it set itself up to be such a good thing. It was definitely what was well made for what it is. Okay, what it is.
This is February 21, 1996. We're on this podcast right now. We're talking the day after it aired on tv.
[00:43:24] Speaker B: Dude, I would have been friggin stoked. I'm sure that's pre everything else we've.
[00:43:30] Speaker A: Been able to get over the past 30 years.
[00:43:32] Speaker B: Yeah, there wasn't anything else.
[00:43:34] Speaker A: 20 years.
[00:43:35] Speaker B: We had the old stuff when I was a kid that was around from, like, the were really bad. And you get, like, the Dolph Lundren Punisher that I watched too many times to probably say, coming up on the.
[00:43:49] Speaker A: Case and Tights podcast.
[00:43:50] Speaker B: Coming up on case and tights, I get to rewatch it again.
But, yeah, I watched it because it was a Marvel movie, and I had Punisher action figures and this and that. But, yeah, realistically, there wasn't anything else besides me. And back then, to get, like, the X Men 92 series, I was spending a fortune and buying the VHS copies at Toys R Us and at Sunko Cinema, so that way I could watch them and I'd always be like, you're missing them because they were numbered. And that series had a continuing plotline. So if I had one, two, three, and then, though they only had five and eight, I kept waiting to try to find four, so then I could get four and five, but there wasn't anything else. So I would have been freaking stoked after watching this.
1996 Paul would have been like, this was the greatest thing I ever come.
[00:44:40] Speaker A: On television, and I've watched a lot of X Files. I've watched a lot of the stuff from the early 2000s where the special effects were not the highest grade, and this fit right in there. This is not, like one of those things where odly stood out. Like, this is not good special effects. This is not good. Whatever. At the time, what they were doing on tv with a budget of $4 million. That is a great job.
[00:45:01] Speaker B: It's spot on. It matches all of it for its era. Yeah, of course they had that $1 million budget. But there was the FF movie of its time that got made versus, like I said, that I went and watched Lois and Clark, and Lois and Clark looked much better of Superman flying and doing things and using his heat vision, all this than the FF movie did.
But it had a $1 million budget. I'm sure Lois and Clark probably spent close to a million dollars an episode or better in 90, whatever. That was 93, so. Yeah, comparatively. But if you watch anything from 96, this fits right in with it. This fits in with probably most 1996 special effect movies. If you go back and watch Sci-Fi movies of this era and the acting.
[00:45:47] Speaker A: They casted for it, for the teenagers or the young, first of all, great that they used young teen, they used teenagers, which is what it should be unlike all of a sudden. I know in the X Men movies, it was like, cool, they're young, and then all of sudden a, they're like four year old men. And it's like that.
We want young.
But they would have been heartthrobs in a sense. They would have been the people that were out there at comic conventions signing autograph. If we were like, they are nowadays, signing autographs, these things and doing all these things. Had posters on the wall of them and stuff like that.
[00:46:15] Speaker B: This was popular. Kids would be dying their hair like bleach blonde to be like the kid from the kid with the sunglasses, wearing sunglasses in school all the time.
[00:46:22] Speaker A: Refracts, refracts, refracts.
[00:46:24] Speaker B: There we go. I'm never going to remember that kid's name.
[00:46:25] Speaker A: We're going to change the podcast name. It's the Refracts podcast.
That's our movie review episode segments. They're refracts episodes.
[00:46:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Fix sunglasses, Darryl.
[00:46:39] Speaker A: But boiling it down. It's poor Man's X Men from night 2000. That's the other side of things. Four years later, we get the X Men movie that came out. You're like, oh, this is what it should have been like.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: You know what's funny? As a diehard X Men fan and a Diehard X Men 92 fan, I have more problems with the X Men movie than I do with this.
If you want to get right into it, I have a lot more problems with that movie than I do with this.
[00:47:08] Speaker A: So obviously, I did not set you up for this ahead of time to talk to you about this. But what dropped yesterday on the day that this actually drops on social media, on the internets and all that stuff. I did all 15 live action X Men films ranked.
There's 15 of them technically, because it also includes this, which is Generation X. It also includes Dark Phoenix.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: Obviously.
[00:47:32] Speaker A: All those movies, new Mutants, Deadpool, all those are technically the X Men movies. And then obviously you have Logan stuff like that as well.
[00:47:42] Speaker B: All right, I'm going to throw one guess, too.
I'm going to say that X Men two is number one and Logan's number two.
[00:47:51] Speaker A: X Men one is number two.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:47:56] Speaker A: Logan's number one.
[00:47:57] Speaker B: Logan. Okay.
[00:47:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:59] Speaker B: So for my ranking, I think I put x two as my top movie, and then I would have number two.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: X two for me is number six.
[00:48:09] Speaker B: Wow.
[00:48:10] Speaker A: But that's because I liked the days of future past and the first class movies a lot. The more recent ones.
And then Deadpool.
Oh, yeah, Deadpool is up there.
[00:48:22] Speaker B: Yeah. If you're going to count Deadpool in with the X Men stuff, then, yeah.
[00:48:25] Speaker A: I would have they go to the mansion.
[00:48:28] Speaker B: Deadpool would be very highly ranked. In fact, the first Deadpool movie might be my number one.
[00:48:33] Speaker A: But I will also spoil this for you to tell you right now that originally, when I first watched the beginning of this thing, I was like, this is going to be the worst X Men movie ever made. The Generation X.
[00:48:43] Speaker B: Right.
[00:48:43] Speaker A: However, Dark Phoenix was so bad, that movie sucks. Dark Phoenix is number 15 and Generation X is number 14.
The funny thing is that I had.
[00:48:57] Speaker B: For all you Generation X fans out.
[00:48:59] Speaker A: There, and the thing is also as bad as new mutants was, it's an edge. There's an edge. I've not watched over this. I haven't watched over this. That's all there has to be, an edge. And that's mainly because if you're looking at all of them and you're ranking them all, it's like, yes, this was made in 96, but in the same sense, at least they did. The special effects were better in new mutants, if that makes any sense. I know it has to do with the fact that it was 25 years later, but still, right? I don't know. Yeah. So there has to be that when I go back to it and look at it and go, okay, so number 14 is Generation X, number 13 is new mutants. And then obviously dark Phoenix is.
[00:49:39] Speaker B: So I have to watch all of them so I could make a list because I have not watched new mutants. And honestly, I really did not like the second wave of X Men movies. I didn't even finish the apocalypse one. Yeah, I didn't even finish it.
So I would have to go back and actually sit and watch them all.
[00:50:00] Speaker A: But that's. To me, the X Men three was.
[00:50:03] Speaker B: Not particularly good either.
Kelsey. Grammar as Beast was excellent. And Beast, at least at the time, because I haven't watched it since then. At the time, Beast looked good on screen. I don't know if he still does.
[00:50:15] Speaker A: But overall, number ten is X Men last stand. So third X Men movie is ten, and number eleven is X Men apocalypse. So the X apocalypse was not good.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: Okay, so I'm not wrong on that. At least.
[00:50:27] Speaker A: The worst of the. I say older. The worst of the original runs of X Men before they went to the new ones was X Men origins. Wolverine.
[00:50:39] Speaker B: Oh, God. Yeah. That is terrible.
[00:50:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that was nine.
[00:50:43] Speaker B: Both of those Wolverine movies are really bad, though.
[00:50:47] Speaker A: Wolverine I have at number nine, but that's only because after that, it's last stand. After that, it's apocalypse. After that is Wolverine.
[00:50:54] Speaker B: It's really bad.
[00:50:55] Speaker A: Comparatively.
[00:50:56] Speaker B: It's still better than these other ones.
[00:50:58] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:51:01] Speaker B: With the Deadpool, Ryan Reynolds being just butchered was just like, we've got a.
[00:51:08] Speaker A: Scale of X Men movies that we've got out there, that we've got this. And the fact that, first of all, it's the whole thing about when we talked about the Fantastic Four, how the Fantastic Four movie that we never was released, to me, was the best Fantastic Four movie ever made. And that said, I haven't watched all.
[00:51:22] Speaker B: Of them, but I'm going to say it probably is.
[00:51:23] Speaker A: Also says something that this 1996 made for tv movie was better than Dark Phoenix. That also says something.
[00:51:29] Speaker B: Yeah, Dark Phoenix that got a worldwide release, had a fortune spent on it and all this and that, and I couldn't stomach it. I tried. I'm out. I'm done.
[00:51:43] Speaker A: For X Men fans, it's worth watching this for sure, if you can watch that. Like, you actually, I didn't know. Did you look it up to see if you can see it on YouTube?
[00:51:50] Speaker B: It popped up on YouTube. I didn't watch it on YouTube to go in and see if it was a full length movie or if it was, like, clips or something. But YouTube did pop it right up.
[00:52:01] Speaker A: Three years ago. Someone put it on here, started playing music in the background here.
[00:52:05] Speaker B: Hold on.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Every time I do that, I'm always like, oh, my God, people can hear that. But I realized that only I could hear. Oh, yeah, it's on here. It's on here. You can watch it on YouTube. There you go. Not knowing whether or not that's legal or not, but it's definitely on there. It's obviously made in low resolution because it came out in 96, so it's not like it's high def. Everybody out there, just so you know.
And that might help it, because if the things are blurry, the special effects might have looked better.
[00:52:35] Speaker B: It looks better. Yeah. I mean, that's like watching the original Transformer movie. I went from watching that. Not Transformer, Terminator. I went from watching Terminator on VHS, which you're like, oh, wow. To Blu ray, where it cleans everything up, and I'm like, oh, God. And I was watching it on a VCR on your old school 80s television, like, watching it every day. Terminator is the greatest thing. Never happened. I went straight to Blu ray and flat screen. I'm like, oh, my God, this is not good.
[00:53:02] Speaker A: When HD started coming out, like, big, I was working at Circus City and Best Buy at the time, and when people were like, hdtvs and HD movies and Blu rays and HD DVD was the one that was Toshiba was putting out that was competing with Blu ray, and they were like, oh, yeah, and porn is going to be in high definition. I'm like, dude, no one wants to watch high definition.
[00:53:23] Speaker B: You don't want to see that.
[00:53:25] Speaker A: People that are doing these movies, no one's like, oh, I want to see their body crystal clear. And they know we don't.
When we were growing up, you're watching HBO on the flickered tv, you'd be happier than watching HD porn. I just never understood that. Why would you want to do that? It's like, oh, God. So there are certain things that make sense to watch in lower resolution, and I would say, yeah, generation makes sense.
[00:53:48] Speaker B: Yeah, you don't want to see some of these old ninety s and eighty s producted movies in high definition. It's not going to improve it for your viewing experience. Howard the Duck. You don't want to watch Howard the duck in super high def. Howard the duck on VHS probably looks much better.
[00:54:02] Speaker A: I have it in Blu ray, though.
Howard the Duck. Man, I love Howard the Duck. Howard the duck shows up in what if season two. If anybody wants to watch that. The first episode, actually.
[00:54:14] Speaker B: I didn't even finish the first season of what if. I still have to finish that. I was watching it with the girls and they lost interest.
[00:54:21] Speaker A: Seth Green, who also has voiced Howard the Duck in every MCU production that's he's been in. So, like, the post credit scenes, the things he's been, the background, it's all been Seth green.
[00:54:30] Speaker B: That's cool.
[00:54:31] Speaker A: So if they don't continue that, if they actually do a Howard the Duck movie or tv show, that's be really upsetting to me because I like Seth Green of it fame of Stephen King's it fame because he was one of the losers of the loser club.
[00:54:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:48] Speaker A: One of the ones that didn't come to Bangor because he's too.
[00:54:50] Speaker B: Yeah. I was going to say he's got stuff to do. He's important.
[00:54:54] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. But I think it's worth it. I think it's well made. I will say though, it's a one star movie in my book it's still not.
Because even if you just rate it based on other X Men movies out there, it's like out of all the scale of a movie, it's not great.
[00:55:13] Speaker B: Yeah. If you want to talk about the actual movie quality of everything. I'm not going to stop this halfway through and be like, hon, you got to watch this with me. It's so not like rewinding it and watching it again.
But yeah, it's probably a one star, two star maybe. I don't know.
[00:55:32] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess. Do you want me to. I can look up to see what we did for other movies if you want to, like.
[00:55:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Let's go.
[00:55:38] Speaker A: Comparatively here.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: What did they have, like 25% on Rotten Tomatoes or something? It was pretty low.
[00:55:44] Speaker A: And 4.4 on IMDb, which actually is not horrid for a lot of these things. 4.4.
You're 4.54 to five. Somewhere around there. It's a bad movie, but doesn't.
[00:55:58] Speaker B: I liked this far more than I liked man thing. I thought this was at least fun. It at least kept me entertained. But it was sort of watching a bit of my childhood again. It was like watching the old high school stuff because growing up on it, if you didn't grow up on any of this and you didn't live through this era, it probably doesn't hit you as well.
Without.
[00:56:26] Speaker A: Said, sometimes you wear two and a half hours. One and a half or whatever we put it. So Howard the duck was a two man thing, was a one.
Nick Fury, Agent of Shiedl, was a half.
No, that's, um. So those are the ones that we've done recently. Obviously, Batman Returns does not count because we did that for Christmas, not for.
[00:56:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Batman returns. Batman Returns is a little better than this, I'm going to say, folks, although, like I had said in the podcast for Batman Returns, watching it without my nostalgia and without my childhood love and all of this, Batman Returns has got a lot of flaws in it that I didn't really consider until I watched it from another perspective.
[00:57:05] Speaker A: So I gave it a one star. I don't know what you want to do.
[00:57:08] Speaker B: I'd give this one and a half. I'd go one and a half. I think that time is done. This is level Howard the duck. I think it's probably, honestly, a little better than Howard the duck for me. So there we go.
[00:57:19] Speaker A: I know, definitely Howard the duck. Better than Agent Howard the duck always gets a little bit of a push for me because I just freaking love the character Howard the duck.
He's just dope. I just love Howard the duck.
[00:57:30] Speaker B: This had more consistency than Howard the duck. Let's go with a weird claymation monster at the end. Although the beginning scene, I did not have high hopes for this. With the beginning scene, when they have a mutant tied up and he has a weird, you never really see it all, but a weird claw looking something hands.
When Emma Frost barges in the room and makes this, like, everything goes flying around that opening sequence, I was like, oh, boy. And that might have helped too, because I was getting ready. I'm like, here we go. This is.
[00:58:07] Speaker A: We're on a ride here.
[00:58:08] Speaker B: All right, be prepared. This is going to be a painful 90 minutes. And then it turned around. Honestly, it got much better from that spot.
[00:58:18] Speaker A: It was like I said, it wasn't a bad movie. And I'll tell you right now, if you tell, which movie would you pick? This or dark Phoenix? I'd watch this over again. This is what's going to happen.
This against Wolverine Origins, this is against X Men last. Like, there's definitely movies that I'm going to watch over this one, even if I rank this one lower than those, because there's a difference between ranking in my opinion, of how good a movie is and versus, obviously, we've talked about this in the past of how rewatchable movie is. Like, this is rewatchable. And there's other movies that are just not even close to being rewatchable. Out of all the movies that we've watched so far on these things, like Howard the Duck, Rewatchable, Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD, is not.
But even some of these movies.
[00:58:58] Speaker B: I could say if you want to watch something sort of fun and from this era, watch Generation X.
[00:59:03] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:59:04] Speaker B: You want to watch something fun from this era, do not watch the Nick Fury, Agent of.
Not unless you want to watch David, help me out.
[00:59:17] Speaker A: Hasselhoff.
[00:59:18] Speaker B: David Hasselhoff.
[00:59:19] Speaker A: Like, hey, David Frazzlefroff. Isn't that what? From Guardians of the Galaxy? David Frazzlefroth?
[00:59:24] Speaker B: Yeah. Unless you want to watch him. Not really. Try read.
[00:59:28] Speaker A: The MCU book that I'm reading right now is well worth it. Just came out in October, but in there, supposedly, Ike Pearlmutter, the former owner of Marvel Comics and Marvel Entertainment and all that stuff, had promised David Hasselhoff that anytime Nick Fury showed up on screen that he would be.
[00:59:49] Speaker B: D. Williams thing here from Two Face.
[00:59:52] Speaker A: And they did not get Samuel L. Jackson's permission to start putting him in comic books looking like Jackson, and really did get contacted by his representative saying, should we be suing you? And then they said to them, if we do put him in movies, we'd like to use him and end up working out in his favor. But also, you'll notice that in the MCU, in the history of the MCU, Nick Fury has ran once, and it's because he's contractually obligated not to run in a movie.
They had to convince him to run in most movies, like a lot of the action scenes and things, he's moving fast in, he's driving a car because, but during Civil War, he was 65, so who the hell is making a 65 year old man a national treasure in Hollywood for us? Right?
That's just crazy. Yeah. So those are the kind of fun things. But David Hasselhoff was given this role because it wanted to give it to him. And he does look like, we talked about that. He does look like Nick Fury.
[01:00:51] Speaker B: The casting wasn't bad if he came into it like he was trying, and if the rest of the thing wasn't ridiculous.
[01:00:57] Speaker A: And that's the other problem they had in this thing. They actually talk about it in this book, that it was supposed to be a comedy action thing. But then as the rewrites and things happen and things like that, it was like moments that were supposed to be funny weren't funny, and moments that were supposed to be serious were funny. And it didn't just hit correctly in.
[01:01:17] Speaker B: That none of that worked.
[01:01:19] Speaker A: That's why it's basically floated off into the ether out there, because people really want to see it. But I think this is well worth watching. I think people should do that. It's definitely a watchable movie. Check it out. You say, I'm going to link it when we put this out there, as well as when I ranked in the post that has all the ranked movies I have links to where you can watch them. And obviously we'll click to the YouTube page, so obviously take the hour and a out of your time and watch them. There's better than a lot of the junk that's out there right now. I've watched some bad movies over the past couple of years, and this is far better than some of those that are out there.
[01:01:50] Speaker B: But I agree.
[01:01:51] Speaker A: Yeah, that was excellent. So Galacticon, we were trying to talk about Galacticon at the end of the last episode that you were on, and the power went out.
[01:02:03] Speaker B: Then we got hit by like a.
[01:02:04] Speaker A: Borderline hurricane, and then we both didn't get it back for like three days.
I just re recorded last week's episode with the guy that was also to record that day. We had to record a different day because of that, which is great, but that worked out in our benefit because the fact that he had a book get announced, roughly, a teaser for a book get announced in between the time that he was supposed to record and came on. Brian McAuley wrote a book called Candy Cane Kills.
The shortwave publishing has teased his book Candy Cane kills two. And so that came out like literally two days after we were supposed to record. So we were able to chat about that.
That's cool because since the last time we were supposed to talk about this on here till now, we have.
[01:02:47] Speaker B: Things have happened.
[01:02:48] Speaker A: Tell you right now that when this episode drops. So when you're listening to this on your way to work on Wednesday morning, January 31, tomorrow morning, or tomorrow at noon, February 1, noon, you can buy tickets to the 2024 inaugural Galacticon comic show in Brewer, Maine. So this only fits to like 10% of our listeners.
[01:03:10] Speaker B: However, I think it's our first of many galacticons.
[01:03:14] Speaker A: Yes. And so we're excited for that. So tickets drop tomorrow according to this episode, dropping. But I'll say the date, February 1 on Galacticon comic shows. Galacticon.com. Yes.
[01:03:28] Speaker B: Be on eventbrite. Be ready to punch that ticket order because they're going to sell out.
[01:03:33] Speaker A: I'm going to say check that out. So if you're looking for a link, it's galacticoncomicsshow.com. But we are going to post something tomorrow on February 1 on the Galacticon website, as well as social media platforms for galactic comics. Capes and tights, all that stuff for links. That's those people who live within driving distance or whatever. If you want to fly again, offer still stands. If you fly and you prove that you flew into Bangalore for this show, your free entry telling you that right now, that offer still stands, it's not going to happen, but do it.
[01:04:07] Speaker B: If there's a line of people without tickets. And they're like, hey, here's my boarding pass from Cincinnati and from Chicago. Be like, what the.
[01:04:16] Speaker A: That doesn't matter to me. So, yes, that offer still stands if you flew in for a free.
So galacticoncomicshow.com, we're going to also announce in coming weeks artists that are coming, creators that are coming to the show, both local, from Maine, New England and beyond, as well as national artists and writers that are coming here for that convention, which is going to be pretty fun, or that comic show. So check out that. All that information will be on Galacticon's social media. So check all those out. So you just type in Galacticon comic show. We're out there on Instagram and Facebook, and then obviously the website will have other information on that as well.
[01:04:56] Speaker B: We'll start doing some vendor shout outs and all that. Look forward to what we can have.
I want to start having some of the vendors show off something they're bringing. You know what I mean? What's the coolest thing you're going to bring to the show? Is it going to be the first appearance of take a pick? We have ASM 300 or we just had generation X. First appearance. The best book I have, first appearance, Generation X, whatever it is, show it off. I mean, we just had Hulk 181 in the store. The first appearance of Wolverine. We'll use air quotes because 180, but that's all right.
[01:05:28] Speaker A: But that's the world of.
[01:05:29] Speaker B: I can't bring that to Galacticon, though, unless I find another one because that's sold.
[01:05:33] Speaker A: This possibility, the purchaser will buy it, will bring it.
[01:05:36] Speaker B: That's true. That's possible, too.
[01:05:38] Speaker A: We'll see. We're not going to say who it was. You have to go out there and find it on you. I know who bought it, but I'm not going to say you can go out there and find that out. And also, if you're looking to be a vendor and you haven't heard about us vending opportunities and stuff like that. Hello at
[email protected]. You can actually send us it there, too.
[01:05:54] Speaker B: I mean, that does work.
[01:05:55] Speaker A: Hello at galacticcon comicshow.com. We'll get you into our inbox, and then we'll get back to you about getting signed up for a vendor table as well. You have to be selling comics, please.
[01:06:06] Speaker B: Comics.
[01:06:07] Speaker A: That's our goal.
[01:06:07] Speaker B: And, boy, we are pretty close to capacity, I think, on vendor. Yeah, there isn't a lot of space.
[01:06:14] Speaker A: Left, but email us, because that also.
[01:06:15] Speaker B: Means that if you didn't email us.
[01:06:16] Speaker A: Now you'll get on the list that if you don't make it in a cancellations, we'll call you, let you know you have a team and B next year. So you have a couple of creators.
We're in 2024 whose schedules didn't work. Some of the creators, but they're like, put us on the list, we'll be there next year. So there's some people that weren't supposed to come this year, are going to come next year and so on and so forth. That works for vendors as well. So make sure you check that out.
Yeah. And then Galactic comics, Hammond Street, Bangor, got to comics.
[01:06:41] Speaker B: The place is insane. Place is not.
[01:06:43] Speaker A: It is.
[01:06:44] Speaker B: I can't even post comic books before they sell sometimes.
[01:06:48] Speaker A: Well, where you're sitting right now, you think you only sell action figures and Lego.
[01:06:52] Speaker B: I know, I know. I sat out back today. So you can see, I mean, you can sort of see.
[01:06:56] Speaker A: You got box behind me.
[01:06:58] Speaker B: They're dollar bin, but there's boxes back.
Didn't sit. If I sat out front, we would have the beautiful wall of goodness behind me right now. With what defenders one, defenders two, where Silver Surfer joins the Defenders. First appearance of Valkyrie is out front.
The list goes on. Of cool key comic books in the shop right now.
[01:07:19] Speaker A: But you can buy haunt you to the end in trade paperback.
[01:07:25] Speaker B: You can buy legacy of violence volume two for all of you.
[01:07:30] Speaker A: I will pitch you something when you're done.
[01:07:31] Speaker B: Oh, here's a question. How much are you charging for autographs? For you to get one of those.
[01:07:35] Speaker A: Copies signed free, you buy it from galactic comics. You got to buy it from Galactic Comics. You get it for free. Signature. No, I will not sign one. I'll tell you that right now. I'll pull an A rod. And the fact that he won't, no, Jason Veritek won't sign both of them, I don't think. Won't sign the A rod. Pushing Jason Veritech's face at the Red Sox and Yankees. Neither one of them will sign that picture, but I will pitch that. This is the last episode of January, January 7 from Scout Comics. Our friend Zach Kaplan's trade paperback of Forever Forward is being dropped. It's a collection of his series that came out last year, the year before of Time travel adventure, thrilling adventure story that I just finished over the weekend as of recording this. And it is excellent. It is wonderful. It's about a guy who is working on time travel, can only travel forward in time, is unable to travel backwards in time, and he accidentally gets his group of friends that are together, the machine goes off, sends them forward 33 years, where he gets messages on a wall that says the only way back is to go forward. And so he has to go forward 33 years at a time until he gets to the point where someone does invent the ability to go back.
Interesting things happen along the ways, and people have to make decisions and all these other things every time they go to new places, there's post apocalyptic style places, there's robot invasions, there's all this stuff that these people have to make decisions, like, do I continue going forward, or is this the best it's going to get? And so on. And so think what's coming next. It's wonderful. I don't promote a lot of books on here that are not whatever. But Zach's also great because he wrote mindset and beyond real, and those are amazing books as well. But, yeah, it's called forever forward, coming from scout comics trade paperback hitting February 7. So talk to your local comic shop. Right.
[01:09:29] Speaker B: Hey, look at that. Find your lcs. If not, then message us and we'll be your lcs.
[01:09:35] Speaker A: Paul will be back again on the podcast here soon, too. While I say soon, we're going to record soon, Paul, his next episode is actually not going to probably hit until sometime in end of March. And that's mainly just because we're going to record ahead of time because I have a baby coming.
[01:09:53] Speaker B: Yeah, you have stuff happening.
[01:09:55] Speaker A: The episodes that we record, we're going to be recording the Punisher from 1989 with Dolph Lundgren and Dr. Strange from 1978. Another little known movie, holy smokes.
[01:10:09] Speaker B: But those two movies, 78 Doctor Strange special effects. I cannot wait to see what this looks like.
[01:10:16] Speaker A: And so because of that, I'm not going to tell you dates or episodes because the idea behind recording these two is I'm going to fill them in in spots where, when you're a little busy. Yes. Where the baby's coming and things like that. But they'll be out before April. That's the plan. Before mid April. So we'll make that work.
Yeah. Cool. Paul, another movie review in the books, another one done on the shelves. Look at this.
[01:10:39] Speaker B: Go Generation X. Find your one copy of dvd on eBay, apparently.
[01:10:45] Speaker A: Punisher 1989. We're probably going to have people listening to this who have actually watched the show, watch the movie because that's actually one that's like, watched it. Yeah.
[01:10:53] Speaker B: I've had a couple of people that didn't realize that because they loved the modern Punisher and they didn't even know the Thomas Jane Punisher existed. They didn't know any of this. And I'm like, seriously, how did you.
[01:11:04] Speaker A: Miss out on all that is also a short film, Punisher there is.
[01:11:09] Speaker B: That's also very good.
[01:11:10] Speaker A: I think he also produced better directed.
[01:11:12] Speaker B: Nick Fury, Agent of Shield, and also.
[01:11:14] Speaker A: Better than band thing that was written, directed. And I think, yeah, he did all.
[01:11:21] Speaker B: Of it and he flipped the bill for it all.
[01:11:23] Speaker A: Yeah. He liked being Punisher so much that he wanted to do this, wanted to tell the story. Yeah, it's called Punisher Dirty Laundry. Or just called Dirty Laundry. It might be just because he couldn't officially call it Punisher. So I think it's actually just called dirty Laundry.
[01:11:39] Speaker B: If you want to watch a bad, really bad one, I think War zone, Punisher War zone will probably take the cake.
[01:11:45] Speaker A: But if you want to get prepared for the next episode that Paul is on for a movie review, watch the 1989 Punisher with Dolph long Green because that would be the movie that we'll be discussing. I don't know. Honestly, I don't know how I found Dr. Strange from 1978. So in the meantime, if I do figure out how to watch it or figure that out, I will put that on social media saying to prepare for that one as well. But, yeah, the Punisher one is available. You can find that online.
[01:12:09] Speaker B: There's got to be a copy of the 78 Doctor Strange somewhere that someone's bootlegged in selling Blu rays.
There's a person who absolutely loves that movie somewhere.
[01:12:20] Speaker A: The Punisher 1989 one is available on Blu ray.
You can buy that as well as I believe. Maybe not. Maybe you can't stream it on there.
[01:12:28] Speaker B: I owned it on vhs.
[01:12:29] Speaker A: I know that's on dvd, too, so I'm sure you find it somewhere.
[01:12:33] Speaker B: I don't know if I still own. I don't have any VHS tapes anymore, and I don't think I ever replaced that one. So I don't think I have a hard copy of it anymore.
[01:12:42] Speaker A: But maybe it is kind of hard.
[01:12:44] Speaker B: To find a watch.
[01:12:44] Speaker A: Golf Wonder watch Punisher 1989. The trailer is on YouTube. Oh, the actual whole movie is on YouTube. Oh, there you go again. I don't know how long they stay.
[01:12:56] Speaker B: YouTube is, but I don't know.
[01:12:58] Speaker A: A lot of times those are on there, but I'm like, shouldn't that be taken down for copyright violation? But whatever you would think. So I didn't put it up there, and it's not my company, so if I.
So cool. Thanks, Paul. I appreciate it. We'll talk soon. I'll see you this week. But, yeah, until then. Till the next time, guys.
[01:13:16] Speaker B: Till next time.
[01:13:18] Speaker A: Read comics.
[01:13:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
