Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on capesandtights.com dot. I'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. This episode we welcome back comic book retailer Paul Eaton to the show, who is from Galactic Comics and collectibles, who's also a sponsor of this episode, galacticcomicsandcollectibles.com. but he's here to talk about the TMNT movie or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles from 1990 to do discussion, review, whatever you want to call it, on this 40th anniversary of the TMNT, Turtles first comic book coming out in 1984 from right here in New England. Uh, so we discussed the movie the Turtles, uh, some of the movie, two the, the legacy of Turtles movies and so on and so forth right here on the podcast with Paul Eaton of Galactic Comics and collectibles. Before you listen, uh, check out us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, bluesky threads, all that stuff, uh, rate review, subscribe, all that stuff over on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. You can check out our YouTube channel now, as well as more information, reviews, features, all that stuff over on capesandtights.com. but this is comic book retailer Paul Eaton of Galactic comics and collectibles discussing the 1990 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie and more. Enjoy everyone.
What's up, toots?
[00:01:13] Speaker B: Whoa. What is going on? It's been a minute.
[00:01:18] Speaker A: I, this is not.
[00:01:20] Speaker B: Did you just call me toots?
[00:01:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
And then he goes on to the other, like Sugarfoot or whatever. All the other ones are all these really offensive, sexist, sexist terminologies, and he just doesn't get it. But this is not the first time the capes and tights has technically discussed the TMNT movie. And I purposely didn't go back and listen to when Adam and I did it, like episode six or something like that, which is like, this is episode 183 or 84 or something like that. And so that's way act coming quick because of the fact that I didn't want to, like, influence my discussion. Now people can actually ripen to both. And now it's early days, so I don't even know what we discussed or what we talked about in that, so.
But it's the 40th anniversary of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. So the actual Mirage studio comic book came out in the summer, or is it. No. Was it March?
It was summer. I don't know. It was whatever.
[00:02:18] Speaker B: I feel like it was summer, but that might not be anything.
[00:02:21] Speaker A: 1980, 419 84. So it was.
It's not going to be telling me exactly. April 30. So April 30, 1984, the first issue came out of TMNT. And so we could talk about the original comic books and all that stuff, but I was like, you know what? We do movie reviews on here and so why don't we talk the movie from 1990, which is going to be a 40th anniversary in 2030, so maybe we'll review it again, discuss it in.
But TMNT, honestly, to me, one of the most, I like this cover, this. This version of the COVID because there's multiple versions of a cover or poster for this movie. I love this one the most. I don't know what it is. It's just the simplistic nature of it that they didn't do very much in movies. I think this could have been, well, the back of it is another version, like the book here, the one we talked about before we started recording. This is also a cover.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: Yeah. Or that right there, we have the original release movie posters in store right now of that.
[00:03:20] Speaker A: See?
[00:03:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I gotta, I gotta frame it. It's like, it's what a find, 1990 movie posters. And it's. That one is them coming up out of the sewer?
[00:03:29] Speaker A: Remind me. I think towards the end, I want to read the. There's a couple of quotes in the back of it I think are pretty cool, if we can remember that. But yeah. So we decided, we discussed this for the. In honor of the 40th anniversary of the Turtles, created, co created by the one and only Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird. Here in New England, where we're from.
[00:03:47] Speaker B: Sucks because that means we're getting old. Like, our childhood stuff is celebrating 40 years. This is the 40th year of transformers as well. Like, everything's turning 40. I'm like, wow.
[00:03:58] Speaker A: Yeah, well, the 25th anniversary of Fight Club is this year, the movie.
And I was like, jesus, that seems like. That seems like it came out last year. But no, it was 1999. I also just celebrated last. Or this weekend. We talked about this, my 20th high school reunion. So I also felt old because I'm like, oh, Jesus, bro.
It was. I'll tell you right now, Paul, I don't miss high school.
[00:04:24] Speaker B: No.
[00:04:25] Speaker A: Like, I don't miss high school. I don't miss, I realized that there are people who have grown up and there are people who haven't grown up. And I remember the clicks. The clicks were still in existence. And the problem. We live in a small area, right? We live in Maine, but we live in, this is a big, small area, if that makes any sense to anybody who's listening. Is that. That the we still run into a lot of the same people if you went to high school in Bangor, in this area.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: And so I'm sure there's a lot of people that, like, moved away, this and that, but then there's the rest of us that did not move away.
[00:04:57] Speaker A: But most of those people are the ones that moved away. Most of them didn't come because who's flying back to Maine for their 20th high school reunion nowadays? Facebook and all the social media. Like, I know what so and so is doing. I don't care that much. My family may have moved away or yada, yada, yada. And I think in their 10th reunion, they did it on the weekend of Thanksgiving in the hopes that if someone was coming back to visit their family, oh, let's just go out and have some drinks or whatever. But like, yeah, that's kind of weird. There was like, each side had like, you know, the people that all still hang out with each other. There's like ten people over in the corner. I'm like, you guys, like, the next day there's pictures of them online on a boat. Because they, it's not like they're, oh, you're up for the weekend? Cool, I'll do this. It's just because that's what they were doing on Sunday. And so what's the whole point?
[00:05:39] Speaker B: Any group from high school that I would want to see are the same people I see on a regular anyway.
[00:05:47] Speaker A: And because it's ten years from now, I likely will still make an appearance like I did over the weekend with my 30th. Because I think it's just, it's just interesting to see people grow. Taylor and I were able to be kid free for one night. And so we went to be able to do this and we said it.
[00:06:01] Speaker B: Was worth going just for that.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: We sat and watched and people watched and saw, like, you know, I had a conversation with people. The what? The camel that broke the straw. The back. The straw that brought the camels back was at. There's a certain point we went to have a discussion with a certain person and the person was obliterated. And we're talking. We showed up at seven for the start of the reunion. We left it 830 30, and this person showed up at 737 45 ish and was obliterated by that time because they had gone and got pre drinks with some friends at a restaurant before they went. It was completely drunk by 830. And this thing went till midnight. And so I was just like, oh, this is how it's going to go. We're like, let's go get some food. We went and got some fast food, sat in the car, watched Seinfeld on our phone until we had to go pick up our daughter at a friend's house. So. So that was our. That's how you talk about feeling old. Uh, Paul, 20th anniversary, 20th reunion, and we sat in the car, eat fast food because we're like, we need to go home. And we were in bed by, like, 10:00 so that's. That's being old.
[00:07:00] Speaker B: Imagine how old the person that was obliterated at 830 felt the next day, though.
[00:07:04] Speaker A: I don't know, man.
[00:07:04] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm. I'm way too old for that. I think. I. I would like to think I keep a. A good level consistency now. Like, you know, I'm too mature for being that obliterated.
[00:07:16] Speaker A: And I needed to leave Paul, because we sell our beer or an overincommended beer to this restaurant that is outside. This is a restaurant in the Hilton that this grand ballroom is in. And they have a little bar set up in the, in the grand ballroom to help us. You wouldn't have to go to the restaurant to get a beer at the bar and come back and so on and so forth. You could. It's down the hall. So they're like, yeah, no problem, whatever. Um, no. Or no brain company beer. No wild main heart seltzer. They had marsh. They had Marsh island, they had gagins, and they had high noon. So, like, our quote unquote competitors that are in the era, they're in the backyard and national competitor in high noon or Seltzer. And I went to high school there. No one from Marshall island or Giggins went to high school at this reunion. From this reunion. So, like, wouldn't it make sense to. And so I was like, I jokingly texted one of our sales reps and was like, hey, 30th reunion. Let's make sure we have beer here.
[00:08:10] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. At that time, we went hiking yesterday, and I swung into a little small, like, mom pop shop to grab some drinks, and there was OBC right on the rack. I was like, all right.
[00:08:21] Speaker A: I went to a wedding in the middle of nowhere.
[00:08:23] Speaker B: Friends of Acadia in the middle of nowhere.
[00:08:26] Speaker A: I went to a wedding in this barn in the middle of nowhere. They had a bar and they had tubular. And so I was like, this place is, what, six minutes, seven minutes from the actual brewery and so on and so forth. But Daniel Krause, when we had Daniel up to Bangor, he was. That's the hotel he stayed at so I remember that parking lot very well. It's a weird spot, but it was fun. But, yeah, that was, I mean, what, 2004? So this movie would have been 14 years old, and at that point, we probably thought it was old when I was in 2004, but 1990, that was.
[00:08:57] Speaker B: Where we are, so.
[00:08:58] Speaker A: 1990, I would have been. I was six when the movie came out, which I don't know if I wins it would have. I don't know if I saw it right away. I was probably in that time, but I don't think I was going to the theaters for it. But I know I would have saw it on VHS, you know, on demand. Right? I saw it on streaming in 1990.
[00:09:18] Speaker B: Yeah, the first Netflix. Well, here's my, here's my story of it. I saw it opening night in theaters.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: There you go. See?
[00:09:26] Speaker B: And that was little, little eight year old Paul with my uncle. My uncle took me and, uh, I made sure that I got there early and stood in line so I could have my seat, which apparently at eight years old, was about the time I, I identified where my seat in the theater is. And I still sit in the same area. Like, that's where I go. And I remember specifically, I got there and I sat down and my uncle sat with me. And then, like, the place filled up. It was sold out. And this usher comes along with people that were getting there late, like, the credits were getting ready to start over or, like, the previews, and they asked me to move. They're like, oh, can you move down so these people can sit in a row? And I said, no, excuse me? And I said, no. I said, I've been here for hours. No. And my uncle just looked at him like, you want to argue with an eight year old? And then the people were like, we'll split up. And they move.
[00:10:15] Speaker A: Yeah. And then afterwards, you're like, after there's your complete asshole. So you're like, I should have moved over because these guys, I don't want to sit next to these people anyway.
[00:10:23] Speaker B: Little eight year old Paul wasn't going to stand for it.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's back when theaters, that's when you saw it. I mean, they, if you think about it nowadays, a lot, it's so quickly to streaming for a lot of things nowadays, unless they're extremely successful, which this was. So maybe this would have been in that category now where it's in the theaters for six months before even exits the theaters, because they're just going to try to get as much money as they possibly can. Um, because this was like, a 1413 $14 million budget, and it made $202 million. So, like, in 1990, that's an extremely successful movie. It made a fortune. And so this would have been in the theaters for as long as possible, even if it came out in 2024, because that's how they do. I mean, Deadpool, Wolverine will be in the theaters for a while. And inside out, same thing inside out, too, because it's, it's all. It's going to make money until.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: Right?
[00:11:08] Speaker A: So we exist at the theater, so leave it there.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: Now this movie come out there, I'm like, oh, I'll go to the theater and see it. And it's streaming before I ever realize.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: What was it just to say that? There was just one that said I.
[00:11:19] Speaker B: Missed going to the theater. I'm like, oh, it's already on. Just watch it.
[00:11:22] Speaker A: I just saw an announcement of one that was like, the end of this month, it was not even gonna be 30 days in the theater. It was like, I forget what was. Crow. Crow seems like it will go there because Crow opened up abysmally and it got 6% on Rotten Tomatoes.
[00:11:37] Speaker B: Yeah, I haven't heard much good.
[00:11:39] Speaker A: But there was something else. There was another one where I'm like, oh, that's interesting. It's only going to last 30 days. And then there's other planned movies like that, like our buddy here on the podcast, Jay Bon and Singa wrote a book called the Killers Game, has a movie that came out. By the time this hits streaming waves, the movie will be in theaters that he had it optioned 30 years ago and finally is being made into a movie.
But the plan of that one is 30 days in the theater, then streaming. And that's just the whole, that was the deal they signed and the whole thing. Nothing that's going to be exiting the theaters potentially, but it's going to be available on streaming as well.
[00:12:14] Speaker B: It's crazy because, like, I don't know, the theater scene just isn't what it was back when this movie came out. It's just not, it's not such a relevant thing.
[00:12:22] Speaker A: I wish it was.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: You probably do better with your streaming service as far as being a property owner than you do in the theater.
[00:12:29] Speaker A: Like, you just, and I think that people want to go see movies in the theater, will go see movies in the theater. So it is that during the pandemic, and they did the whole, like, we're going to release it in the theater, but we're also going to release it on streaming. At the same time, I think the owner theater owners and the movie production studio owners are afraid that it's going to cut into finances. But in the same sense, I do feel like there are people who are like a Deadpool Wolverine. If I hadn't gotten Covid, we would have been in the theater to see it. Do you mean instead of watching it from home? And same thing with a lot of people, there's certain movies you're going to go see in the theaters and so on and so forth. I think that people who dont want to go to the theaters to see it are going to wait. So youre not making their money anyway. Youre just waiting for it to be in streaming or purchasing at home anyway. And so I think in the future they could do like opening weekend, maybe one extra weekend after thats like two weeks, and then have it stay in the theaters and have it be $25 on digital. And I think they could make it work. And I think theyd still make a bunch of money. I mean, they wouldnt be billion dollar movies anymore because they would lose the, um, person who went to see it the second time because I feel like you'd go see it in the theaters and then you'd buy it at home, you know, I mean, like, you wouldn't maybe potentially goes two or three times.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: You might get it a little bit later after the fact. I mean, our local, one of our local theaters is now playing a lot of vintage movies. They've started going out and getting them. And man, if TMNT was playing on the big screen, like hell, yeah, I'd go to the, I mean, I just like going to the theater. My wife loves going to the theater. Liz and I are biggest, like movie buffs and like going and, well, Kevin, go see it on theater again.
[00:14:03] Speaker A: Kevin Smith had mentioned he owns Mod Castle Cinemas in Red Bank, New Jersey. And the, he buys those classic movies to put on for a weekend or a string of night, and he charges $25 or whatever to go see it. And a lot of times because he's a podcaster and critic and all that stuff, he does like a question and answer thing afterwards. So there's more to it than just showing the movie again. But a lot of those movies, like, for example, for me, I was born in 80, 86. So I was four when this movie came out. I said six or I was four when this movie came out. And so I was basically my son's age, right? There's no way that I don't go to the theaters of my son right now, because he'd be like, halfway through, be like, oh, can we go home? I need to go asleep or have a snack, you know, like, whatever, you know? And so. But that.
I forget what's saying about this. I think I was going with it. That's the son's age. I was four when. When it came out. But Kevin Smith is that I would now go see it in the theaters. Thank you. Do. I mean, like, because I never got the experience to go see it on the big screen. With the big sound in hell. The movie theaters are better nowadays, meaning that the sound is screen quality.
[00:15:07] Speaker B: Yeah, the sound quality.
[00:15:09] Speaker A: Some theater seats are the same. They are literally the same from 1984. But, no, the experience is there again. So, like, all the Indiana Jones movies, I never saw any of those in the theaters. Cause I was too young. The Star wars movies, those movies they make bank. I think if they just took Star wars and new hope and was like, screw it. May the fourth be with you. We're putting this in the theater for one weekend only. I think they'd make millions of dollars on that. Uh, and if you did the original one, it's not the remodel, like the ones that Lucas had redone and all that stuff, like, right.
[00:15:35] Speaker B: Not the true original.
[00:15:37] Speaker A: Brain the experience back to it, you know? And honestly, they still make millions if they brought the experience back to then $3 tickets, $4 tickets, whatever it may be. If you literally got to spend a weekend at a theater, like it was 1970, whatever, and so on, I think they would make millions of dollars off of it because. Flock to it.
[00:15:54] Speaker B: And this is one of those concession stance, back to reasonable pricing.
[00:15:58] Speaker A: I mean, they're doing it now with movies that we all did see. Like, they're doing it now with movies like, oh, Titanic. And I'm like, well, Titanic isn't that old in a scheme of things. You know what I mean? Like, they're doing it for movies that came out in, like, 2014. Oh, ten year anniversary. We're putting the theaters. No, show me the movies that are. 40th anniversary or 30th anniversary.
[00:16:16] Speaker B: Love to go see. I miss Jaws and just play it. I love to see jaws on the big screen. I wasn't alive when Jaws came out, so I'd be awesome. And I mean, this movie I I saw in the theater the night it came out, I would love to go see this on the big screen again. It'd be awesome.
[00:16:28] Speaker A: And I think that. And I don't know any of the details, and I know what will and Jay have talked about it on their streams. We can talk about it here. But if you are in the Bangor area, I think, I believe you can check out the social media for Bangor comic Toy Con. But I believe they are having a streaming, some sort of, some sort of screening at Gracie theater at Hudson College. So that's one thing to look at Houston University now, isn't it, to go look at that somewhere? I don't, I don't know any of the details. I'm not here to promote it in that sense. But I'm saying, like, there is that opportunity for some people to go see it in some sort of theater, maybe.
[00:16:56] Speaker B: The first time see it on a big screen right there with the, with the guys from Bangor comic and toy Con.
[00:17:01] Speaker A: So it's, it's, it's March 30, 1990, so I actually wasn't even four yet. I was actually a three because I was born in May. So yeah, so it made $202 million on the box office for 1990 is pretty good. I didn't look up the comparison to other movies that came out in 1990, but I'm sure it's, it wasn't a slump. I'm sure that was a pretty well made money. It probably might have been one of the most profitable ones. There might have been other movies that beat it, but, you know, and so on and so forth. But it's just sort of like, we don't like to base these things on these that much. But a 6.8 on IMDb, which is pretty good, honestly, for this movie.
[00:17:39] Speaker B: And from a movie that's from 1990, that is, has some of its hokiness. Right? Like all there. You know what's funny? So I think I like this movie more now, and I do, like every year than I did when I was a kid. As a kid, I was like such a cartoon fan. Yeah. I'm like, well, where's Rocksteady? Where's Bebop? Why aren't the foot soldiers robots? You know what I mean? I had all of the, like, this isn't the cartoon series. And the, the older I've gotten, the more I appreciate this movie. I appreciate what they did with it and how they made it in the, the great parts in it that they put in for the adults that are in that theater with the little kid.
[00:18:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:18:21] Speaker B: And I think I was still like, oh, there's a, there's a couple scenes I can see about the complaints from the nineties back then of the violence in the Ninja Turtle movie. Like, there's a couple, but they're not that I don't.
That bad.
[00:18:34] Speaker A: It's the fear they've had recently when, when they made the Wolverine movie, when they. Any superhero related movie are moving. The fear that the overarching production companies are like, oh, we're gonna get backlash because kids are gonna go in to see this movie. Not really. I think it's an r rated movie and parents are not gonna be able to bring their kids because it is an r rated movie and yada, yada, yada. And so I can see that complaint. But let's be honest, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in 1984 was not created for young kids. It morphs into that over the years with the animated series and so on and so forth.
[00:19:05] Speaker B: So if you're the toy, push the big push for the toys, and that gave the cut the cartoon series. But, yeah, your initial ninja, it's funny now is Nickelodeon property, right?
[00:19:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:16] Speaker B: Because the initial comic series is more like noir. It's raw, it's violent, it's gritty.
Spoiler alert. The first issue, they kill the shredder.
[00:19:26] Speaker A: Yep. Which is one of those things that obviously they decided at some point we're like, oh, that was probably stupid, but, yeah.
[00:19:33] Speaker B: What seems to be the coolest villain that we came up with and we killed him on that first issue.
[00:19:38] Speaker A: The best thing about comics and pop culture is you can bring them back. Oh, yeah. The script is loosely, are based loosely on the early TMNT comics, like you mentioned, including stories of their origins, rooftop battles, a sojourning to the, to the farmhouse, and battling Shredder. All that came from the original comics. And then the elements were taken from the 1980s animated series such as the turtles colored bandanas, because obviously the original was black and white or gray scale or blue scale, whatever you want to call it. And their love for pizza, that's actually not in the comics. It's actually from the cartoon and other.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: Perfect thing to, like, look, every kid, right? Every kid loves pizza.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: Domino's. Like, Domino's, pull on that thing and having that product placement in that was phenomenal. But also elements of, like, Michelangelo's character, April O'Neill, being a television reporter and not a lab assistant, is also stolen from the animated series. So I actually appreciate that because they did mix mode both and they did. It's a what can we make it work in that sense? But I do agree with you that this movie is far better now than it was years ago. But I also think there's multiple factors in that. One is you're more of an adult, so you can see things and you can compare, like, if I show this. If you show this to a ten year old now, they're gonna be like, wait, what? Because the actual suits and the practical effects and the so on and so forth is not as up to par as they would want it to be with CGI and special effects.
[00:21:02] Speaker B: So Emma, my middle daughter's a big action sort of. She's an action junkie. She likes, like, the superhero stuff, the fight scenes, isn't that. She didn't even want to watch this with me. I was disappointed. I wanted to go put it on.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: And then also, there's a nostalgic factor to it. Like, it's already gets, like, if you have a scale of one to ten, and you're like, okay, I'm gonna watch this movie. It starts at a four. It can't get lower than a four because the nostalgia gives it that four already. And then you add in all the elements, you're like, oh, cool. So ten out of ten. It's like, well, it's not really a ten out of ten, let's be honest. But it's that, and it's the first. It's the new hope. It's the raiders of the Lost Ark. It's the first of a classic series, and a lot of people hate number three so much. That makes number one that more superior than it.
[00:21:45] Speaker B: I still have yet to actually finish number three.
[00:21:47] Speaker A: No, I love number three. It's gone. It's whatever.
But, yeah, so it was written by Todd Langen and Bobby Herbeck and directed by Steve Barron, based on the characters from Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird. Obviously starred Judith Hogue for Azebra O'Neill, Elias Cottus as Casey Jones. And obviously, there's. It's hard to list all the people who played the characters because the turtles were all voiced by people. And then there's. There's people who puppeteered some of them, and there's people who acted in the stunt suits of some of them. So there's, like, 30 people who actually were involved in making the four turtles and splinter or. Yeah, Splinter.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: Yeah, the turtles. The turtles were definitely like that. That was a labor of love from these creators. They worked hard to get you and those genitals that look more or less like, all right, you know, you can. They're definitely costumes, but they look more or less like you're looking at what Ninja Turtles would look like if they were giant human sized turtles.
[00:22:47] Speaker A: Yes.
Jim Henson Company did this, and they almost didn't because. And there's certain elements of it, like, not having any guns. No actual blood.
There's specific things. Like, if you think about it, some of the characters have different. Is there. And there are characters have different weapons.
There's no katanas, right?
[00:23:07] Speaker B: No. Leo still has his katanas.
[00:23:09] Speaker A: Katanas. There was something. There was some sort of, like, maybe they allowed to because of it, but there was something that was like, we didn't want. They were. Jim Hansen's company wasn't going to do it because of the violence.
[00:23:17] Speaker B: More often than not, I will say that Leo is, like, holding his swords, but never really does anything with them.
[00:23:22] Speaker A: And so I think there were some, like, concessions they had to make in that. But having Jim Henson's name attached to it, those suits are phenomenal. Obviously, like you mentioned, we've mentioned in the shop, they're probably in a, you know, million pieces right now because of the fact they were deteriorating even during the movie.
[00:23:37] Speaker B: Rotting away. Yeah.
[00:23:38] Speaker A: Because of what they're.
[00:23:40] Speaker B: Stuff of them are just gone.
[00:23:41] Speaker A: Should have sold, like, little tiny pieces of it and, like, little, like, plastic containers. So you can, like, have, like.
[00:23:45] Speaker B: I probably. I'd probably be online.
[00:23:47] Speaker A: Uh, Jay Cochran from, uh, from forecastle tattoo and bang of comic attack on has, um, a piece of the boat from Jaws, which is pretty cool. Splinter from the bow. I was like, that's pretty dumb badass. So I would do the same thing with one of those suits. But, yeah, but yeah, I mean, it was darker, like we mentioned. So this movie came out in 1990 as the first feature film, um, for. For TMNT, and is still the best feature film, um, to this day in the TMNt realm. And I think it's now followed, in my opinion, by the Newton mayhem, which is the one that came out this year. The animated one.
[00:24:22] Speaker B: I would also agree. I have my issues with the new animated one, but overall, the animated one.
[00:24:26] Speaker A: Is I enjoy it, and then maybe number two in this series is in there with that, because there's some key elements that when you think back to the nineties and these movies, there's sometimes I met, I morphed one and two of these, merged them together, and there's things like the canister of ooze and all that stuff. You're like, oh, wait on. That's the second movie, not the first movie. Keno is a huge character in number two, which makes me mad because Chasey Jones is like, Casey Jones is one of my favorite characters.
Elias is phenomenal.
[00:24:56] Speaker B: The actor who played him is like, spot on. They couldn't have done a better job.
[00:25:01] Speaker A: And making Casey but taking Casey away and putting in someone like Ernie Reyes Junior playing Keno is, like, the second. Like, okay, that's. It's not Casey. Cool. This was this next best thing. And so that's why I think that the first and second one kind of merged together. So maybe it's number one, number two, and then mutant mayhem, and then everything else is behind it. Like, there's just, like, not even a question on any of that stuff. But it was kind of funny how.
How much this has stayed in the pinnacle of TMNt lore, the 1990 film darker but still had the silliness.
[00:25:34] Speaker B: So the shows how well they did it because. Yeah, it has the dark, it has the silly. It has. I mean, the writing of this movie was well done for. For sticking to ninja turtles and what it is and being entertaining. Yeah. And like you said, it's. It's goofy, it's funny. It makes fun of itself some. It does remind me of a Marvel movie. Yeah. Reminds me of an mcding. All the marks.
[00:25:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:25:58] Speaker B: Like, it's no wonder that this is so. My wife still loves this. Liz and I watch this together, and she's like, I loved it as a kid. I saw it a million times then, and I still love it now.
[00:26:06] Speaker A: And it's believable. I'm sorry. I tell you right now, not believable in the sense that, like, it looks real, but the same. Like, that doesn't distract you, the practical effects, doesn't nearly distract you as you think it would. The way the mouths move and all that stuff is not like, obviously, you know, you're watching a fiction movie, but you're not. I don't know. I just. Something about it just. And maybe that's because it is nostalgic and novelty to me nowadays, but, like.
[00:26:28] Speaker B: I'll tell you what, I will watch these turtles all day, every day, over watching Jar Jar Binks.
[00:26:34] Speaker A: You. And you have every moment you possibly could think of.
[00:26:37] Speaker B: Jar jar Binks really hate jar jar Binks.
[00:26:39] Speaker A: I'd say that the freaking Michael Bay films are worse, too. So, like.
[00:26:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, God. Oh, God. Yes. Yeah. Michael Bay films are way worse.
[00:26:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:46] Speaker B: Everything. Both films are terrible.
[00:26:48] Speaker A: Who plays April O'Neill and Megan Foster? No, Megan.
[00:26:52] Speaker B: Megan Fox.
[00:26:53] Speaker A: Megan Fox.
[00:26:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:55] Speaker A: I did write the note.
[00:26:56] Speaker B: Not April. She's not April at all.
[00:26:58] Speaker A: No, but I didn't write the note down. But there was a. There was a comment they made in this movie saying maybe she. Maybe they called April O'Neill a fox.
[00:27:05] Speaker B: A fox. Yeah.
[00:27:06] Speaker A: Mikey called, and it laughs so hard because I'm just like, oh, my God. Foreshadowing to the fact, like, they like, like interview, doing rehearsals, but casting for the movie. They're like, well, actually that would make sense because they did call April O'Neill Fox in the first movie. So maybe we put someone in the role in the newer movies as someone named Megan Fox. I just thought it was kind of funny. Um, you know, we wouldn't have actually recognized it in 1990, but now it makes sense.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: Yeah. I love, I love the turtles. Like, all have a crush on April and it, you know. Yeah.
[00:27:36] Speaker A: I still pick this April of April, you know, Judith Hogue over Megan Fox. I'm sorry. People have this, like, drooling for Mega Fox, but Judith Hogan 1990 was way.
[00:27:46] Speaker B: Looks a fair amount of what April sort of looks like in the comics and sort of looks like on the cartoon series. And like, yeah, the casting was good and she's, she's like, cool. She's fierce. She's, she gives April, like, she doesn't put up any crap from Casey. She, yep. Like, is right there with the turtles in the mix of it all, you know? And I'm not afraid to go climb this door. She stands up to the foot. She tries to like, fight him off.
[00:28:11] Speaker A: She seems like a really good reporter in that sense, too, where she doesn't back down, you know?
[00:28:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. The, like, her boss sort of wants her to cool it. The, the police are whatever. And she's just gonna report what she finds and is trying to bring the truth to light. And then she protects the turtles, like, just like she does in the cartoon series and everything.
[00:28:29] Speaker A: And she's relatively, Judith Hogan, this movie is relatively unknown. Before she gets this role, she was on like a tv show called loving in 1986 to 88 for like eleven episodes. And she was on a couple single episodes here and there. A movie called Matter Degrees. But then tmnt, it was like this. And then she was in Cadillac Mandae with what's his name.
He passed away, Robin Williams as well as Tim Robbins. But yeah, so she was relatively unknown, which I like. That's my big thing. It's like, it's same with Elias. You have these characters that, these main characters you see all the time. And sometimes it can distract of them being if Chris Evans becomes something else now you're like, let's just Captain America.
[00:29:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:07] Speaker A: And so having someone new in it now you're known for that role and for this day, I mean, she's coming to the Bangor comic and toy congeste here in Maine as Judith Hogue from TMNT as April O'Neill from TMNT. And so, like, that's like 35 years later, she's still being known as that character. And it sucks because the way these movies work, too. If it was made nowadays, we would have gotten a movie too with, with Casey Jones and April Neal in it and so on and so forth.
[00:29:34] Speaker B: They probably tell you what, if they'd made, like, the time of releasing the second movie or in between the first and second they made a Casey Jones movie, I would have been right there to watch it.
[00:29:43] Speaker A: That would have been this movie number one. That movie number two.
[00:29:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:47] Speaker A: Be honest with you. I don't know. Is he still alive? They should bring him back and have him, have him play a cameo in doing a Casey Jones movie.
[00:29:54] Speaker B: I was going to look into that.
[00:29:55] Speaker A: Like, because he's 63 now.
[00:29:57] Speaker B: He's so phenomenal as Casey, but like, did. What else did he do? I don't remember him being in other stuff.
[00:30:04] Speaker A: He was in case he was in TMNT three, obviously.
Look who's talking. He was in look who's talking.
[00:30:11] Speaker B: Same year I watched that as a kid. Yeah.
[00:30:13] Speaker A: Cyborg to Exotica, the prophecy. He was in what we call Crash in 1996 as an app pupil, which as people from Maine would know, it's a Stephen King adaptation. Theodore line. No, he was in Zodiac, the movie that came out in 2007 about the Zodiac killers, which I liked. I liked that movie a lot. He was in a shooter with Mark Wahlberg in 2007. So yeah, he's done stuff. The last movie he was in. So let's see, he did a movie, 2023 called Janet Planet. But it doesn't seem like it was anything. I was trying to think of anything. It's like 2010, 2011.
They were always in Shutter island.
[00:30:52] Speaker B: It's funny. These are definitely things I've heard of, but stuff I've never seen, so.
[00:30:56] Speaker A: Well, that's also the other part about it is like, he didn't have the long hair like Casey Jones in these new movies. If you go to Wikipedia and look at his picture, you just look like he looks like an average actor that you'd see in things, right?
[00:31:05] Speaker B: So like, be on a show or.
[00:31:06] Speaker A: Whatever, you would see him and you'd be like, oh, yeah, cool. And then afterwards like, oh, my God, that was Casey. Oh my God. I didn't realize that. And so, like, it's not like he's recognizable in that sense because his hair and in the mask and stuff like.
[00:31:16] Speaker B: That, too, he's so good with the hockey mask. And I mean, that opening, the first time you see Casey in the movie where he's taking on the purse snatchers.
[00:31:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:22] Speaker B: And then fighting wrath, like, and their banter back and forth.
[00:31:27] Speaker A: It's phenomenal.
[00:31:28] Speaker B: As a child, I was a big Jose Canseco fan. So rap with the bat.
[00:31:33] Speaker A: And then he does the cricket thing, and he's like, I'll see. That's six points right there. And I'm like, still to this day, no one gets that reference because no one knows the cricket is.
[00:31:40] Speaker B: Yeah, no, the crumpet is no cricket.
[00:31:44] Speaker A: But, yeah, I wrote down the fight, and one of the things I'll point out, too, is that the practical effects are amazing. And the fight scenes that are in the practical effects in this one. And I'll just lump in, like, the opening scene in number two where they fight in the mall area.
[00:31:59] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, the big mall with the guys robbing it.
[00:32:01] Speaker A: Although the action scenes in those things are phenomenal. And I think that with the suits on and then having the actors in them and trying to do all these things with this stuff, it's crazy. But I would give her credit also for is the very first scene with the. In this movie how it goes to black.
You know, like, when they're already the first action fight scene, I should say it just goes to black and here.
[00:32:21] Speaker B: Don'T see the turtle.
[00:32:22] Speaker A: And then they're wrapped up, and I'm like, I love that sort of filming. That's a lower budget. That's a quicker option to do. All you have to do is sound effects and things afterwards. And you get the point. Like, you didn't have to show that.
[00:32:35] Speaker B: I feel like, too, it's great to build that, like, that hype that you can't wait to see the turtles, and you can't wait to see him fight, because instead, it starts with April and it starts with the fight, and all you see is raph looking through the sewers as she finds the sigh, and you don't actually see him yet. You're just waiting. You're waiting for that big moment. Like, that's. That is just smart. That's great.
[00:32:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:57] Speaker B: It's like, it'd be the same way with, like, the Hulk. One of the best Hulk books ever read. You know, it doesn't even have a hulk in it.
[00:33:01] Speaker A: Mm hmm.
[00:33:02] Speaker B: The whole time just waiting for the Hulk. You know something's gonna set him off. You just wait for that moment snaps. It's like, you just.
[00:33:09] Speaker A: Because I guess I would have turtles.
[00:33:10] Speaker B: Beat somebody up because you don't actually.
[00:33:12] Speaker A: See them for a little bit longer after that. So maybe I did that ten minutes. The first part of the movie. We don't actually see the full turtles because of that. But if you had to, if they actually showed them beating everybody up, it would only be three or four or five minutes into the movie. And so you'd actually. It'd be quicker that you'd actually see the turtle. So. Yeah, it makes sense in that sense, too. But it also gets the point done. It's the same thing when you see someone in a movie and they. They go around and they come back and someone's been killed or something like that, but you hear the sound effects, it's like, cool. It's a way easier just to set up the death than it is to actually show the. Yeah, the same thing. This was, like, twofold. They were able to build anticipation to seeing the turtles, but also get the point across and not to pay to actually show the scene and film. And maybe they did film the scene and they were like, this does not look good. They just cut it out and said, let's go to black. I don't know. It's a possibility. We don't see any of that afterwards, but.
And then the music starts. Like, dude, this movie is almost one of the best soundtracks in any. And it fits so perfectly with the turtles. Like, it's just like. And that's why the records sell so well, too. I mean, we know this, but, yeah, they didn't focus on the music in this movie. Like, they didn't too, where they actually have, like, little ice and all that stuff. Because I feel like people love the move, the movie's music so much in the first movie that I feel like they were almost forced to do what they did in the second one, it's like, in the second one, it was almost like the. The comparisons of Marvel movies, like, what guardians does, the music is kind of like what they did in the second one with the music. And this movie was just like, I don't know, just the music in the background was just adding so much to the fun of the movie, the upbeatness of the movie. Everything about it was just music playing.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: There right at that end of that opening scene, and they started going through the. Through the sewers there, and they're high fiving and having fun and.
[00:34:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I feel like if your neighbor was watching it and you live in an apartment and you hear that music, you're like, I know what they're watching. Right? You need to appear here. I hear two notes and you're like, oh, I know what that is. That's the TMNT movie from 1990. Let's go. Let's go over them, bring some beer over and see if we can watch it with them.
[00:35:08] Speaker B: It's funny how the soundtrack dominance, we're just so like, so spot on and so relevant. I feel like it's hard. It's almost hard to like, replicate that nowadays.
[00:35:18] Speaker A: It is. One of the reason is because they don't like it. So much money involved. So much not money paying for things, but so much more trying to make money off of it. So like, right. The into the Spider verse soundtrack was phenomenal too. But they're like, okay, Kendrick Lamar wrote a song for it and then they released an album and they're trying to make that extra funds.
[00:35:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:35] Speaker A: And sometimes they're the balance between the producer trying to make the movie and the people trying to make the soundtrack are like, oh, where can we make the most money? Instead of just like, does it fit the soundtrack? Does it fit the movie? And I think that's something James Gunn did amazingly in guardians one, which was he just picked songs that worked well with it and got the approval to pay for those songs and then the soundtrack sound sold because of the movie. And I think that's one of those big things in Guardians for music related people, which was a lot of fun.
[00:36:01] Speaker B: And that's what Taylor star Lord having his obsession with that one tape. You could have that. And it was. And it was well picked songs for each scene.
[00:36:10] Speaker A: Music by John to Perret. New Perez John Duprez, who's 77 now, actually. They should get him at Comic Con.
[00:36:19] Speaker B: Heck yeah.
[00:36:20] Speaker A: He's joined. He was born Trevor Jones. His name now is John Duprez. I don't want to look up why, but interesting. He didn't do much.
[00:36:30] Speaker B: That's crazy. He had one job and he did it right.
[00:36:33] Speaker A: Okay, so I guess he did. He did arranging the music for Monty Python stuff.
[00:36:38] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: Because he's from England. That makes sense.
He also, there's this movie called the Wild. Did you ever see it came out? It's a Disney movie with like a lion. It's like a ripoff of Madagascar in a sense.
[00:36:53] Speaker B: I think I might have.
[00:36:56] Speaker A: No, you say that stars the voices of Keith or Sutherland, Jim Belushi, Eddie Izzardhood, William Shatner.
Music was by Alvin Alan Silvestri, but it was contributed to the music was this guy, John Duprez. But the director of that movie is the reason I mentioned that is Steve Williams Spaz, who was the visual artist for Jurassic park. And that's why it's just sort of funny.
[00:37:20] Speaker B: The connections.
[00:37:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
The movie was awful, and. But this guy contributed to that. So, yeah, I. Props to John Tabarez or Trevor Jones or wherever it was when this movie came out, because this music is like, I have the record. I have the vinyl. Both this one and number two, because.
[00:37:37] Speaker B: We sold the vinyl in this.
Yeah. Signed, autographed. Yep.
[00:37:43] Speaker A: The other.
Talk about the opening scenes in the beginning of the movie when they order the Domino's pizza.
[00:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:49] Speaker A: Domino's driver comes and they just. He just willingly sticks to pizza down into the drain. And take.
[00:37:58] Speaker B: 122 and an 8th part.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: Of, like, nowadays, you wouldn't be able to do that because you order online, and it would be like, that address doesn't exist. I'm sorry. And you're like, who's, like, 42 in an 8th? Who was like, oh, that's right.
[00:38:09] Speaker B: That's.
[00:38:09] Speaker A: That's the. That's. That seems legit. I'm gonna go deliver this pizza.
And the fact that, you know, I also thought one pizza for $13 in 1990, that seems expensive.
[00:38:19] Speaker B: That does seem pricey.
[00:38:20] Speaker A: I feel like it's $8. They had all dominoes right now.
[00:38:23] Speaker B: Side anchovies. Right?
[00:38:24] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. Yeah. I feel like it's like eight. Whenever I go to, like, book club and I bring a domino's pizza, I feel like I pay $7.99 and I'm like, I mean, I did pick it up.
[00:38:32] Speaker B: It actually cost more then. Yeah. Delivery charge. And I mean, New York, maybe.
[00:38:37] Speaker A: Oh, New York. Yeah, that makes sense. But I just love pricing. I'm like, the guy just delivers it willy nilly, but smarts for the production company to get them to get Domino's to do a product placement there, because I feel like Domino's probably killed it.
[00:38:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, so it's funny, we were. So we had our ninja Turtle release comic here.
[00:38:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:55] Speaker B: And we had our big midnight release party that was sponsored by IDW. And we got Pizza Hut gift cards.
And I said to my wife, I'm surprised it's not Domino's. You know, they're nationally done. Plus, they were the first.
[00:39:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:08] Speaker B: In the first movie. And my wife's like, no, they weren't. That was Pizza hut that delivered it. I'm like, no, that was Domino's. We had this argument, and she's like, well, Domino's wasn't that big back then. I'm like, ah, they were marketing big. Yeah. Remember the little red noid guy?
[00:39:21] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:39:21] Speaker B: You had the noid whatever in the clock stuff. So like Domino's was big on that. I don't, I, as a kid, I don't think I like their pizza at all. It's gotten much better.
[00:39:30] Speaker A: Yes. Well, to me, we go on a full pizza discussion at some point, but like, yes, that you're right. And the thing about. So Bangor comic toy con, I keep mentioning this, and that's one of the reasons why we're doing this now too, is our buddies are running this convention in Bangor and I, I could, I could list off, there's Brian Tochi, Ernie Dre Junior, Robbie Wrist, Kevin, Ken Scott, Judith Hogue, as well as Francis Chow. And are all coming from various TMNT movies coming to Bangladesh. Really cool for turtle fans. Plus our buddies Joe Schmalki, who's done variant covers for the Turtles, and our buddy Bob Tackic, who has also done turtle stuff. We're going to be at this convention, signing autographs, taking pictures, all that stuff. But, um, they were looking for a pizza company to do some sort of pizza thing for something. And they would put it out on Facebook, like, anybody know anybody? And so on and so forth. Personally, I was like, it should probably a local person be really cool if like a local like Angelo's or someone was like, oh, yeah, yeah. But then I'm like, you should have reached out to this pizza, the domino's chain, because I think the dominoes piece, like would have been great. And having that at the actual thing, having Domino's pizza boxes to be like, in, right in there, it makes so.
[00:40:32] Speaker B: Much fun because they haven't really changed. They did a good job of keeping that original brand idea. Yeah. So like the box and everything looks the same in 1990.
[00:40:42] Speaker A: And colors, blue and the red on it and all that stuff. Yeah.
[00:40:47] Speaker B: Wearing the shirt. Yep.
[00:40:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that would be funny to set that there.
[00:40:51] Speaker B: But yeah, that perfect marketing spot right there. It's funny that it was Domino's too. And it's not like it's not a company that doesn't exist now or something. Or. Yes, or if it only been like a yemenite place, it was only in.
[00:41:02] Speaker A: New York or whatever, or made up company. Because other than that, other than Domino's, there wasn't much like product placement. I think the only one, you know.
[00:41:10] Speaker B: Funny, I saw, I happened to watch the end credits, which I got to talk to you about that, too. But they, they had on their list of places, had Burger King. And I was like, I don't remember Burger King in the. Did Burger King just cater it when they were filming or something. I don't remember being in there anywhere.
[00:41:24] Speaker A: Maybe it was in the background near, like, somewhere in New York City when they're walking.
[00:41:27] Speaker B: That's what I wondered. Or, like. Yeah. Was it in, like, that scene with the. Because you. It has all the scenes in the warehouse with the teenagers doing all this stuff, which was another one Liz and I talked about with, like, God, you imagine now you got this. This. The first scene in that warehouse is kids smoking a big cigar. Like, twelve. Like, can you imagine? They got cigarettes or.
[00:41:46] Speaker A: Yeah, you need cigarettes.
Regular menthol. And it's like, okay, so, like, nowadays you can't even show someone having cigarettes on screen.
[00:41:54] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, my God. You got all of these. These teenage kids doing all this stuff. Like, people would lose their mind.
[00:42:00] Speaker A: That's pretty funny. That's odd. That's amazing. I love. You brought that up. Yeah. But, yeah, it's a.
It's weird how it's not a fake company, but, yeah, I guess it wasn't that big of a movie. And people were obviously $13 million put into it. But I'm guessing that helped with it because I'm guessing Domino's didn't not pay to have their name and their car and their uniform and all that stuff in it. Like, I don't know.
[00:42:20] Speaker B: I bet they did with the popularity of Ninja Turtles. I bet there was like, a. Oh, for that. Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: It makes the most sense. And I think that they probably were like, yeah, we have a budget for it, and let's do it and make it happen.
[00:42:31] Speaker B: That's. That was what I was telling Liza back then. They were like, domino's was really big on their marketing campaign. That was what they put all their money into. So. Yeah, wouldn't surprise me that they coughed up the cash so that way they could be the pizza delivery place.
[00:42:44] Speaker A: It's. Yeah. I don't know. It was cool. And the pizza part of it was necessary, I think. I think, obviously, if you could have. It made such a big point. And I'm hoping they didn't put the pizza part in this thing because they're like, oh, we got Domino's. The Domino's wants to do it. Let's put pizza in this movie. I hope that's not how it was decided to put pizza in this movie. But I do think it had such a plot line to the thing eating pizza in April's apartment when they go to all this pizza left over, and it's like, oh, do you want it with penicillin? It's got mold, obviously, on it.
Those kind of things would be.
It just added so much to the story. I think added comedy to it, because there's a lot of comedy revolves around the pizza. When they were throwing the pizza slices around and when it hit splinter in the head, and that kind of stuff is all funny to me. The pizza delivery joke. So pizza had a big part in this movie. This is a pizza related. This is turtles and pizza.
[00:43:30] Speaker B: I think it's just really smart to be relatable to every little kid that can be. That's my favorite ninja Turtle. And they like pizza, and I like pizza. And, yeah, it's, I mean, perfect thing. If they were all eating sushi, like.
[00:43:43] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe the sushi market would be completely different. Nowadays. I feel. I feel like if you like, we know we live in an alternate universe. That's what we need. We need, like, an alternate universe version of this where they eat, like, sushi or, like, something like that. Or you and I are on talking on this, you know, in the morning, eating sushi, because, you know, it's. It's now just part of life in the United States regular culture. Oh, I find it. Before I forget, it's the night. It was the 9th highest grossing film in 1990.
Okay.
[00:44:07] Speaker B: I'm surprised it's not higher than that.
[00:44:09] Speaker A: Of, well, ghost was number one with Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore. This is actually the last time we.
[00:44:16] Speaker B: Are in the, like, romantic couple movie thing, and everybody and their brother was going to see it or something. It's like, how the hell goes big?
[00:44:26] Speaker A: It was $505 million, and home alone was behind that with 476 million.
[00:44:32] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, well, home alone, that's. That's some stiff competition.
[00:44:34] Speaker A: But here you go, Paul. Here's a little fun fact for everybody. This is the same year, so we just. We're living in the year. And we just talked about Deadpool Wolverine a couple seconds ago about how I would've gone theaters if I didn't get Covid.
[00:44:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:45] Speaker A: It's the same time this 1990, that when this movie came out, that the number one box office movie for the opening weekends, feature day husband and the second box office, the wife this year. So, like, Ryan Reynolds and what's her face.
[00:45:05] Speaker B: Oh, Blake Lively.
[00:45:06] Speaker A: Blake Lively had the number one movie in the box office opening weekend, which was, it ends with us and Deadpool Wolverine. Okay, so those two movies in 1990 was the same thing, which was with Ghost with Demi Moore and Die Hard two with Bruce Willis. Those were husband and wife. So it's kind of funny.
[00:45:22] Speaker B: How that in theaters as well that year.
[00:45:25] Speaker A: So die Hard two was the 7th largest with 240 million. Back to the future part three was number six. Total recall, dancing with wolves, pretty woman, home alone, ghost. So all of the movies from seven to one makes sense to me. In a sense, Ghost is a very popular movie, but, like, home alone, pretty women, dance with wolves, total recall, back to the future, part three. Die hard to presumed innocence.
Beat it by $20 million with Harrison Ford.
[00:45:53] Speaker B: I've never even heard of that movie.
[00:45:55] Speaker A: Me either. It has Harrison Ford in it, but I've never heard of the movie. Guess what number ten is.
1990.
Dick Tracy.
[00:46:06] Speaker B: Oh, come on.
[00:46:10] Speaker A: $40 million less. But, like, still. It's still number ten. So. Yeah, top ten for the first release of it. And it's also.
[00:46:18] Speaker B: This is.
[00:46:19] Speaker A: We didn't talk about this at all, but, you know, we're obviously pretty far into. This is. This is six years after their comic book was really released.
[00:46:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:26] Speaker A: So you're talking six years, a feature film, major motion picture film is being released.
[00:46:32] Speaker B: It's six years after all snowballed. Like, do you. Did you ever watch the toys that made us.
[00:46:41] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:46:42] Speaker B: And the guy that, like, basically was trying to become this agent or whatever.
[00:46:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:48] Speaker B: And being at a comic con and seeing the ninja Charles and going, hey, I bet I can do something with this. And, like, going around pitching the idea of toys, and then the toy happens to catch. Right? Like, who was it? Kenner or Mattel or whoever.
[00:47:02] Speaker A: Yeah, play. Playmates.
[00:47:04] Speaker B: Playmates. There you go. Playmates was like, all right. Yeah, we'll make these ninja show toys. We need, you know, something for property. And then it, you know, to make it catch on with our generation. Well, that means it needs a cartoon. And then comes, all right, it has a comic book, but we gotta have a comic book for these kids to know what's going on with them. Not the. Not this, you know, more dark, adult, gritty one. And then look, in six years time, it goes from that to being the top ten movie of the year.
[00:47:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: And this worldwide film, I mean, over in the background over here, you can't see, there is a vintage 1990 Mirage Ninja Turtles t shirt, children's shirt I have hanging on the wall because I found it in the collection. And it. This, like, whoever this kid had this wore this thing right out.
[00:47:49] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:49] Speaker B: And I found. I just love it. I'm like, this guy. This got to go up on our wall. I can't just, like, throw this out.
[00:47:53] Speaker A: Yeah. I can't. There are solid because it's worth. It's so cool to have a piece of memorabilia like that.
[00:47:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:58] Speaker A: And so this came out. So the first comic was released mid. Mid.
No, I missed mid 84, actually. There you go.
[00:48:06] Speaker B: Original 1990s Ninja Turtle, water ball.
[00:48:09] Speaker A: The french picture 88.
[00:48:11] Speaker B: This is 1988, the french picture book.
[00:48:14] Speaker A: No.
[00:48:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it was. I mean, look at it. Look. It was just like, it went from worldwide. Worldwide being an obscure comic in rural based New England. New England. You know, it was like, Maine and New Hampshire were the only places it was. There's only 250 copies of the first Turtle book printed before they did the reprint. And the reprint. And then in six years, time to grow to being that size.
[00:48:37] Speaker A: Well, I mentioned the movie because we're talking about the movie, but it was 1987 when playmates made the deal to do it. So three years after the comic book was released, they had a toy deal. And in four years from that, so 87.
[00:48:49] Speaker B: 88.
[00:48:50] Speaker A: Nine. You know, by the time this hit, it was a $1.1 billion line of toys.
[00:48:56] Speaker B: And then you had Ninja Turtle lineup, only had ten action figures, and then you add all the ten backs, the ten turtles and ten turtle figures. That was it.
[00:49:05] Speaker A: Mm hmm. And so, yeah, it was insane how, how much. Then by 2000, they sold to Nickelodeon. And now, and it's come full circle a little bit. Obviously, we're not going to get into the whole Eastman and Laird thing, selling the company and all that stuff and all that stuff. But it's full circle, really, with, like, last Ronan having a B. Eastman and Laird story.
[00:49:28] Speaker B: Oh, my God, how big the last Ronan is.
[00:49:30] Speaker A: Drama. But also that Kevin's now involved way more again in the comics, where he was, like, the back of the day, wanted to do the most. He wanted to be the comic book stuff. And so he's writing a lot of comics, doing variant covers and doing covers and so on and so forth. So it's really cool to see that come back kind of full circle in that sense, not in the same way. Would have been nice if Kevin was all along doing this. But you know what? Tell you the same thing. If it was me and I had the opportunity to cash in some money, I would. I would have probably sold it, too. So I don't have, you know, it's just, I'm just saying he still gets.
[00:49:59] Speaker B: To play enough to cover their expenses for a little bit.
[00:50:02] Speaker A: I think he still gets to play in the turtle sandbox, and he made all that money. So, like, it's. I guess it's, it's, it's, it's a, you know, whatevers thrown with that. Yeah, I see anything with my company, my owners are like, oh, were going to sell. Im never going to be like, well, why? Im like, obviously because its a business and you want to make a bunch of money and so on and so to have IDW be like, yeah, sure, come on back and do some turtle stuff and so on and so forth. Its really badass. And now with the release of last Ronan, over the past couple of years has grown that gritty, dark, original style comic book right back up to where its supposed to be over at IDW, which is phenomenal. But, uh, but this had that mix. It had that grittiness, it had that comedy, had action sequences that were beautifully choreographed and fought in those suits.
There was an homage in a sense. I don't know if it was planned, but with April being an artist and drawing the turtles.
[00:50:53] Speaker B: Yeah, having that, that was interesting. Right?
[00:50:56] Speaker A: Is it like, to me, it was like, that's kind of a cool way to say this has started off as an illustration now as a feature film.
[00:51:02] Speaker B: Telling, I don't know, her telling the story of what's going on the farm of each one of them. And so I don't know if that.
[00:51:07] Speaker A: Was on purpose or not, but I loved it. I'll take it as it was on purpose or not. Like to tell the, the written tale and the, in the illustrated tale of the turtles and try to throw it back to the original source material, which was a comic book, and do it that way. And they did the cool transitions where she draw the turtle and then it would fade out and it would, the turtle would be sitting behind.
[00:51:25] Speaker B: Yeah. Like Ronnie driving the truck. Yeah. And arguing with Casey Jones.
[00:51:28] Speaker A: It's awesome. So I think those kind of things, that was a cool thing. It could not have been anything connected with it, just part of the script they were writing. But I thought, in my opinion, and I'll take it that way, that it is a homage, a hat tip to the original source material of being a comic book.
[00:51:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep. I can see that.
All right, so here's my one. And now we're debating on this actually happened or not. All right, so I was watching this on Paramount plus streaming, okay. For this podcast, and the end credits come up and it says you want to, you know, watch in credits or this next movie star. No credits. And I remember a scene where after the whole movie, you see the shredders hand, like in the dumps, like in the trash that exists. Right. Because it's not on the paramount.
[00:52:19] Speaker A: Plus it's in the second. Beginning of the second. Is it the beginning of the second movie where they. It's like a flashback.
[00:52:27] Speaker B: There's no end credit where the shutter comes back?
[00:52:29] Speaker A: No.
[00:52:30] Speaker B: Oh, weird. All right.
[00:52:31] Speaker A: I think it. I thought it was the beginning of the second one. Now I'm gonna have to go watch the second one. I could have sworn I was like. I. Yeah, I. Maybe you're right. I don't know. But that didn't happen before the credits.
[00:52:40] Speaker B: I seem to thought that, like, that was because you're like, well, the shard.
[00:52:43] Speaker A: That's the end of. That's the end of two, isn't it?
[00:52:46] Speaker B: No. Dead. Dead. Because he's in the water and the things collapsed and he's.
[00:52:50] Speaker A: Yeah, but doesn't he move his hand in the. Collapsed. In the water, though? Like, in the rubber just drops like he's dead.
[00:52:56] Speaker B: Like, that's.
[00:52:56] Speaker A: Okay. Maybe that's.
[00:52:58] Speaker B: But I thought at the end of the first movie to show that the shredder wasn't gone.
[00:53:03] Speaker A: They didn't do post credit scenes.
[00:53:06] Speaker B: Like, you're looking at New York from the outside, sort of like Manhattan's in the background or whatever in the hand comes up out of the trash.
But maybe that's the second movie. And, like, it's that. Like, Liz and I both thought it was there.
[00:53:19] Speaker A: No. Yeah.
[00:53:21] Speaker B: What they call it, dollar effect, where you. You.
[00:53:24] Speaker A: Yeah, well, maybe you're thinking of it being did happen.
[00:53:27] Speaker B: It's just not where I thought it.
[00:53:29] Speaker A: Was because it does happen in the. When the deck. But the barge or whatever it's called, that the collapses and he does a little.
[00:53:38] Speaker B: That might be the start, like you said, the start of the second movie showing coming back might be that.
[00:53:42] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, it's a.
Yeah, it's one of those things that you don't know. Now I feel like you should watch the other one. But I also didn't watch the other one on purpose. Number two, I probably.
I didn't want to get him confused in that sense, too. But now we would have known. Would have been an answer in that sense, too, if it was actually in that. But, yeah. I tell you what, one of the best things about this movie, and you'll. You'll agree, is the. They're trying to say the saying cowabunga towards the end of the movie, when I've always been partial to Cowabunga. What did they say right before that?
Totally tubular.
[00:54:15] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:54:17] Speaker A: So we have a beer at ornament Brewing company. If anybody doesn't know where I work during the day. And that is totally tubular, and it's one of Paul's favorite beers.
And so totally tubular is a tad tip to this. This.
[00:54:29] Speaker B: I think Mikey yells it out, doesn't he?
[00:54:30] Speaker A: Yep, yep, yep. And so he's like, totally tubular and so on and so forth. So that's where the tubular, totally tubular. All that stuff came from. But also, like, surfing and all that stuff. But, like, it definitely is a reference to the nineties in this, the way that people spoke. But, yeah, Cowabunga became a synonymous word with the turtles right after this movie.
[00:54:48] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, 100%.
[00:54:50] Speaker A: But yeah.
So here's the deal. Call. It's a phenomenal movie for the 1990s and for the movie that we would. It's just as good of a movie as I always remember it. Every time I watch it, I'm never disappointed. I can watch it over and over and over again. Cause it's super entertaining. I think the story is actually great with the trying to get kids to. To steal shit and have almost a culture.
[00:55:11] Speaker B: It is weird. Like one. One plot hole in this. I guess it must be like, for funding the foot or something. Like, how are they doing with all this crap?
[00:55:20] Speaker A: Like, what I think is they don't show that, and I think it's on purpose. It's not necessary. I think we understand that they're probably selling.
It's New York City, so they probably have a selling on the black market or over at, you know, because you.
[00:55:31] Speaker B: See them like packaging or unpackaging goods and stuff, and it's just like, how you doing those? Wait, why is this ancient, like, ninja clan want with a bunch of crap?
[00:55:42] Speaker A: Is it, you know, like when you have someone do something, initialize it. Initialize initiation? Yeah, like, steal it. You know you're worth it.
[00:55:51] Speaker B: So you actually know you're willing to actually need it. Maybe this is how eBay actually started these goods. And they're like, all right, now we got to find a way to sell this crap off. What are we gonna do?
[00:56:02] Speaker A: Isn't, oh, wasn't that the beginning of fast and the furious, too, man? Aren't they stealing, like, they're like hijacking truck and stealing electronics on the back of that? So maybe it's just, yeah, that's what you do.
[00:56:10] Speaker B: You're like, you know what? I want to start a multi level villain like club. Yeah, let's start by stealing some electronic goods. Now I want the two who turn into an empire. Eventually we'll be like all the other, like the foot clan. Maybe Cobra does that with Gi Joe. Like, it all started off with Cobra Commander, like, ripping out car stereos, you know, he started, the guy started all coming with him like this.
[00:56:37] Speaker A: Now I just want to hear the people from the past, the furious. Like, we got the idea of ripping off electronics from TMNT 1990.
[00:56:41] Speaker B: That's what I want to hear. Now, look, some New Yorkers have things stolen. They don't even know it's gone or whatever. Like, turns and she looks back in. The tv stole and the tv look like a piece of crap. Yeah, he's got sticker stuck on it. Looks like. Well, I think that's a great opening seat for that. Exactly. You know, pawn that for like a couple bucks. Like, what are you doing this?
[00:56:59] Speaker A: Well, it's the comedy. And it was hilarious. It was almost. It was almost like a cartoon where they would be like, whoosh. And you'd see like, a poof of smoke come up where there was someone who running away. And that was funny to me. But if it does make no sense, there is a plot hole in the idea of like, well, are they selling it or are they just stealing it to steal it to prove.
[00:57:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Why are you making this?
[00:57:19] Speaker A: It's possible. Where is initiation to the whole thing where you're just like, okay, are you badass enough to steal someone's tv off?
[00:57:26] Speaker B: The.
[00:57:27] Speaker A: First of all, I want to sit on.
[00:57:31] Speaker B: Technology because they need that stuff because they're, you know, thanks to.
[00:57:36] Speaker A: Maybe this is just that, praying they.
[00:57:38] Speaker B: Can turn it into things.
[00:57:40] Speaker A: That's their homage to it.
[00:57:42] Speaker B: Yeah, they might be.
[00:57:44] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe they're planning to tell more stories in the future with it and being like, this is when in movie one, this would happen and just things changed or whatever.
[00:57:53] Speaker B: It was just sort of funny. Like, you go through this and that was like the, one of the. The only, like, glaring plot questions of, like, why? Why are they stealing all this crap? What are they doing?
[00:58:03] Speaker A: Well, I think also think, like I said, it's possible that was for the future and they change things as movies progress things and so on that we watched. I wanted to put something random on the other night and I put a random episode of Seinfeld on. And then I was like, oh, I really want to watch Seinfeld again. So I put on episode one, and in episode one, Jerry talks to Kramer, and Kramer has never left the apartment in four years. Yeah, but that's like, that's the only time it's ever. By the time they get to episode.
[00:58:25] Speaker B: Two, Seinfeld and the same thing. There's a lot of references to siblings Jerry's sibling. George is sibling. There's no siblings.
[00:58:32] Speaker A: No. It's like they don't care. There's certain things that they just don't care.
[00:58:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Going on those first few seasons, there's like all kinds of these things. I'm like, what? Yeah, Kramer never leaves the apartment. Like what? Kramer's always out doing weird.
[00:58:42] Speaker A: So, like, the second episode, they're like, no, he leaves it all time. And Elaine's not in the pilot at all. It's just Kramer.
[00:58:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:48] Speaker A: And George in the first one. And they added her afterwards. But, yeah, I Paul, the biggest. So it's a great movie. I love this movie. Why? And this before we're going to do our rating here in a second and close up here, we're at about the hour mark here is why did the second movie flop so bad in the theaters?
So this is 1990. Ooze came out in 1991. Okay.
[00:59:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:15] Speaker A: This is $200 million they made in the box office. Thousands and thousands and thousands of people. Millions of people went to see this movie. They loved it. Wasn't love it. If you look at the critic or fan ratings of this movie or high critic rating was 42%, but for 42% for a comic book movie based on.
[00:59:31] Speaker B: Turtles that was more or less geared towards children.
[00:59:36] Speaker A: And you think we're the ones are gonna go see it whether that movie is good or not.
[00:59:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:40] Speaker A: There's nothing else on the theaters that are like it. So, like, if it's me and I'm a Turtles fan growing up, I'm gonna go see this friggin movie with, like, a DC. All your DC fans are still flocking to see crappy DC movies. You know, the current, the current MCU is not nearly what it was in 2008. And people are still flocking to the theaters to go see these movies. So. So we would have gone. The second movie was made for $25 million and made $78 million in the theater.
[01:00:02] Speaker B: Wow.
Huge tank.
[01:00:04] Speaker A: Like, how does that, like, happen? Like, I just don't understand.
[01:00:07] Speaker B: I don't know. I, I wonder if the turtles craze had just started to curb. Like, it just started, like the, you know, like, if my generation was just getting old enough that we weren't as hopped up on turtles as we were.
[01:00:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:00:23] Speaker B: I can tell you that. The second movie I still enjoy. But Toka and Razor are.
[01:00:27] Speaker A: Yes, they're awful. Yeah.
[01:00:29] Speaker B: They don't, they don't age well. They weren't good then, I don't think.
[01:00:33] Speaker A: No. And that's a whole rights thing, too. If people don't understand about the early Marvel Cinematic Universe and the Spider man also, it's the same thing with that back then, because. Because they wanted to do bebop and rock steady, but they actually couldn't do bebop and rock.
[01:00:45] Speaker B: Right.
[01:00:45] Speaker A: Some sort of licensing deal that they weren't allowed to do. Bebop.
[01:00:48] Speaker B: Yeah, because everybody was waiting, like, in that scene where they have the animals.
[01:00:52] Speaker A: And like, oh, bebop and Rocksteady. It's gonna be amazing.
[01:00:55] Speaker B: Rocksteady. Instead, you get this, and the idea, they're like, they're babies, and they get shredders.
[01:01:01] Speaker A: It's definitely worse. And then number three made $54 million, so $21 million for $54 million. So the second two movies did not make nearly as much as the first did. Combined, they didn't make the first movie, and they were made for four, three times as much, because the total of the second two movies was about 40, $46 million, and the first was $13 million, so three times as much more money in.
[01:01:26] Speaker B: I think, overall, the big thing was, we'd started aging as turtle fans, and we saw it like, it was. We had it on the big screen, so now the, like, oh, man, turtles on the big screen. Everybody's got to see it had. Had ended. We all saw it. So, like, that second one, I saw the second one in theaters. I never saw a third one in theaters. And as I said, I still haven't even finished watching a third one.
[01:01:48] Speaker A: It was literally almost a year later. It was March 22, 1991. The second one came out, and I'm thinking to myself, like, all of us would have still been in the craze, and it's not as simple as being able to stream it. It would have been like you'd had to own it on VHS, and you would have had to go through the theaters.
[01:02:02] Speaker B: So I just baffled turtles.
[01:02:04] Speaker A: It just baffles me that we didn't make nearly as much money. And, you know, in that, I don't know. It's just weird. I mean, the second one was a 6.0 on IMDb, which obviously, back then, didn't exist. But, you know, excuse me, 36% on Rotten Tomatoes. So that's. It wasn't like it was that far of a different of a movie for most people at that time.
[01:02:24] Speaker B: I don't. I don't think I would give the second one that high of a rating first.
[01:02:27] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. But I'm trying. You know, I'm just trying to think of it. I'm like. I just. It just baffles me that it was that much different. And that's why they probably put the extra $10 million in the movie. Like, well, we're going to make this back no problem, because we did with the other one, and now they, yeah.
[01:02:39] Speaker B: The first one we crossed, so why would we not?
[01:02:42] Speaker A: And, you know, I don't know. Internals in time was a big video game and stuff like that, so maybe the whole time travel thing. And number three, people were like, oh, they'll go into that.
[01:02:50] Speaker B: Right?
[01:02:50] Speaker A: Which it just wasn't nearly as good. And, and, yeah, but now we're gonna get the last ronin movie at some point, which would be cool because it'll probably bring back some of that stuff and hopefully loosen some practical effects. I know they're gonna use CGI in it. It's just more cost effective. It's cleaner, but I hope they use CGI on top of practical effects. So I hope it's like that. They're wearing body suits and you Ghostbusters.
[01:03:12] Speaker B: Movies, and they do a good job of, like, combining and mixing.
[01:03:15] Speaker A: Well, if you do, like, a body suit that has the thing on it and you overlay CGI on top of it to make it look like the turtles. And, like, maybe there's not wearing masks, but they're wearing, or helmets, but they're actually where to put the helmets on in CGI, and the mouse of the mouth moves a little cleaner and stuff like that. Like, they do a mixture of the two. I'll be happy to, uh, if some of the big fat fight scenes are 100% CGI, but some of them just walking around eating pizza is more practical effects. Like, if they can blend the two of them, I'd be happy with that in the future. But, um. So this movie is not amazing, and I do think. But it's, but it is. But I do think it's hard to say that all of our movies are on the same scale. So this is not us as a professional reviewers here being like, oh, you know, we can't.
[01:03:53] Speaker B: I was definitely not a professional anything.
[01:03:55] Speaker A: We can't give professional hassle. Um, yeah, I do that. Well, you can't give a score of, like, a three to something and expect it to be the same three and everything. I think. I think it's hard to do that because there is other factors when you review new movies, movies that came out just now. Yes, you can review it. There's no nostalgic part of it. There's no, yeah, there's just what, I.
[01:04:15] Speaker B: Mean, we've had, like, this. We've had Dick Tracy. And then we've had, like, the Godforsaken Captain America movie.
[01:04:21] Speaker A: Like, yes.
[01:04:23] Speaker B: The blend of what we've watched is still a little off.
[01:04:26] Speaker A: And so it's hard. So I'm trying to think. I was thinking on it. I'm like, oh. To me, like, nostalgic way nostalgic reasons. And the movie and all that stuff is a five stars. Five out of five stars. Like, this is great. It's not that I can't, I can't give it five out of five because five out of five is almost nearly perfect movie, and this is not a nearly perfect movie.
[01:04:43] Speaker B: However, I feel like Splinter was. I didn't. I thought Splinter looked weird when I was a kid, and I don't think he looks any. Yes. Better now. Yes. Like, he looks like a puppet. Yes, definitely looks like a puppethe.
[01:04:56] Speaker A: So there is faults this movie by big. And it's obviously a 42% critic rating is not insanely wrong.
[01:05:05] Speaker B: Right.
[01:05:06] Speaker A: I do think that this is better than Dick Tracy.
I do love Dick Tracy a lot, and I do think that it came out in the same year and so on and so forth, those two, but not by much. I think they're folly. So. And here's mine. I'll give you mine first. It's. I gave it a four out of five stars. I gave Dick Tracy three and a half. So I think this is, that this, I guess that has a slight edge to me. And probably because it's turtles versus Dick Tracy. I think there's a Casey Jones.
[01:05:34] Speaker B: Right? Like, I don't, I don't have an actual sentimental attachment to Dick Tracy. With the exception of that movie.
[01:05:41] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:05:41] Speaker B: Watch that movie when I was a kid. Like, I didn't have Dick Tracy shirts and Dick Tracy book bags and Dick Tracy pencils and, like, I had ninja turtle everything. Like, you know, I saved up my money to buy ninja turtle number one comic for, like, $20 back in the eighties, and $20 back then was.
[01:06:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:06:01] Speaker B: Or 1990, whenever it was. That was all. That was a huge investment as. Especially as a kid.
You know, I. So I think that nostalgia has, like, a lot of it. Like, it gives us a little bit of a blinding. But I would still say that I think I would go. I would go for and a half stars on this. I think it's that much fun.
It's that good. There is a few practical problems, but overall, I think the practical effects are great. There's some plot holes, but overall, I think that this movie is just enjoyable.
[01:06:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's the thing, is I feel like what I almost started doing is like, an actual, like, serious critic rating. Like, this is like, this is what's going on here. And you probably give it like a three or something like that. And then there's like, the rewatch ability, classicness, the, all the other, like, all the other elements that go into it, that critic rating on how good a movie is for awards and critic rating based on who should watch this movie and how many times you should watch this movie and so on and so forth. A lot of the movies we've watched in the past on this podcast have been like, watch it. So you have it and say you've watched it and then move on and never watch it again. Never watch it again. This is one of those ones that you should almost every year, right around March time, when it's the anniversary of this movie coming out, you should just throw it on and watch it. Your kids should eventually watch it. All those people. It should be studied in comic book world as a great adaptation of original source material in the sense that it brought in of elements of all the source material, the cartoons, the comics that so on and so forth. And then this is where they learn from that they didn't do correctly in the Michael Bay films and the, in the animated TMNT movie that came out years ago and so on that, like, don't do what they did in those movies and do what they did, like, like, you know, and so on and so forth. So I think that there has that you mentioned that the nostalgia part does affect it. And so if we have a five star rating on this thing, and I say, well, nostalgic already gets a two and a half. So, yes, then you just rate the movie on the other side of it. And now you're right. I'm at, you know, three and a half. Okay, four. Four and a half. Okay, cool. Because, like, you have to. Can't give it five, in my opinion, because it's not perfect.
[01:08:03] Speaker B: Like, it's not. It's not perfect, but you're right.
[01:08:07] Speaker A: Four and a half is probably more likely where it should be in that. In that sense of, like, it's iconic. It's one of those ones that it should win. Like, lifetime achieving awards.
[01:08:16] Speaker B: I love this because I love it more. The more I watch it. Yeah, I love it. The scenes in it are great. There's like, I don't know, iconic. Like the fight scene in April's apartment and. Yes, like, rap the raft meeting Casey. Casey's just phenomenal in it. The humor and the jokes. Like, they never get old.
[01:08:35] Speaker A: No. And they're not bad jokes. They're actually jokes. Like, okay, they're almost dad jokes. Maybe that's why we are, for sure.
[01:08:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:08:42] Speaker A: We like them so much because they are almost dad jokes. Being dads here. Uh, but, like, the. The kids seeing the turtle underneath the. Under the table and feet sticking out from underneath something and the shower curtains and all that stuff. Like, that stuff is funny because, like, there also are ninjas, right? They're ninjas. So they have this ability to turn around and have them be gone in a second. So, like, and all that stuff.
[01:09:01] Speaker B: That's the idea of mikey sleeping with a giant stuffed panda bear.
[01:09:05] Speaker A: Yes.
Yeah. So, like, all that stuff's hilarious. And here's the reason why I think that number two is. Would be higher rated than it should, in my opinion, too, is that there's a lot of iconic things that happened in number two. Their new home in the subway, the ooze keno. All that stuff just going and talking to Tri. Like, all that stuff is, like, to me, is iconic in the movie part of TMNt lore. And so that's why two is always one of those ones that I almost wish it was one movie. So I could say that there is a four.
And then I enjoy the nostalgic and the different part of number three.
[01:09:45] Speaker B: And that didn't be my part for three because I don't have the nostalgia of it. I had moved on from Turtles by then.
[01:09:50] Speaker A: So do you think that back to the Future three came out in 1990, and that movie was the 6th, 7th grossing, highest grossing film of the year. I loved number three. In fact, all of them, to me, are awesome.
But do you think that's what the team of tv were trying to do? They're like, well, italian triumphed to the old west in back to the future three, and it did really well.
[01:10:13] Speaker B: So maybe if we go work out so well. Yeah, I don't. I don't know where, like, I almost wonder if you said the video game was enough. I don't know where the hell they came up with the time traveling Ninja Turtles for that movie. Yeah, I almost think, too, it might be as we review bad movies, quote, unquote, we. Maybe we need to watch the Michael Bay one interview it as. Yeah, I saw it once in theater and I have a passionate, passionate. I'm gonna say hatred. I'm gonna go hatred for that movie.
But I left the theater angry and disgusted with it. So maybe I need to watch it again and watch it as a review side that I'm trying to.
Trying to really take it in.
[01:10:52] Speaker A: And not just the turtles themselves are hideous.
[01:10:56] Speaker B: They're awful.
[01:10:57] Speaker A: They're awful.
[01:10:58] Speaker B: They're awful. They look bad. They're enormous. Which one of my arguments is with Ninja Turtles, is that they're relatable to kids.
[01:11:04] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:11:05] Speaker B: And that the. And the comedic side of, you know, if you're this big, bad thug in New York City, and then you get your butt handed to you by this little short ninja turtle, like, how do you explain that to people? How do you tell your friends? Like, you show up at the bar and you're all beat the hell, and they're like, what happened to you? And you're like, well, this four foot tall turtle kicked my ass versus, like, the ones in the bay movies that look like they weigh, like, 400 pounds and they're, like, huge.
[01:11:30] Speaker A: They could kill people. Like, they would literally kill people.
[01:11:32] Speaker B: He's bulletproof. But I remember. I remember seeing where they're shooting at Raf and the. The bullets are hitting a shell. Like, what? He crushes a Humvee.
[01:11:41] Speaker A: Well, I think it's one of the things about the first one I mentioned, the whole Marvel MCU, the MCU of things, and I've always said that's, like, one of the things I love about is the comment I usually say, I'll say a lot, is that, like, it's okay in a certain right moment to sell a fart joke at a feudal. Because it's not all serious. Like, there needs to be laughter. There needs to be a light moment. You know, I'm not saying when they're saying the eulogy should sell a fart joke, but I'm saying, like, at the reception or whatever, you can giggle a little bit. Joke about the person's life and what they did funny in life and so on and so forth. In Laughter. Superhero movies, I'm always like, that's the thing I think about DC films. It's like, oh, you're dark. That joke from, from Deadpool two, whereas, like, oh, you must be the DC universe. You're pretty dark because it's like, there's no joking at all. And then they do have too much sometimes. Like, you know, there is some too much side of that thing. But that happy medium for the first Iron man, the first. Those first early movies where there were, like, jokes that were happening, I think that this has that, but also the softness of the turtles make it so they're not as menacing. They're just. They're just creepy to people who are like, that's a life size turtle. I don't think they need to be scary. I think they need.
[01:12:49] Speaker B: Doesn't care to. I didn't look like a giant turtle in a trench coat.
[01:12:54] Speaker A: I think they need to be scary to the point where you're like, that's a giant turtle. Not scary to the point where they're menacing. I think that's the thing.
[01:13:01] Speaker B: It's, like, terrified of them at first, and then is like, because, I mean, you just are. You're talking to a talking turtle.
[01:13:11] Speaker A: Anamorphic turtle.
[01:13:13] Speaker B: Like, your size. Like, yeah, that's terrifying. What the hell? But then after that, you're like, oh, these aren't really scary. I mean, after all, it's because who.
[01:13:20] Speaker A: Including April Jones or any of those people who would warm up to these characters that they look like villains?
[01:13:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:13:28] Speaker A: Do you mean Touka and Razor aren't getting best friends for in movie two? Because no one has any of their friends. And that's the thing. Even in their dumbness, in their minds, they're still not gonna get friends. They look hit horrible. Like, they look like they're scared they're gonna eat you.
Turtle that looks like it's gonna eat you. That you're never gonna be. No one's ever gonna become friends with that.
[01:13:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:13:48] Speaker A: So, like, I don't know. I just. I think that the. The biggest thing is that they're life sized turtles. That's the scary part. You can get over that. It's also they're unassuming. You look at them like, oh, lifestyle. Then they just kick your ass because they know ninja. They know karate, and they're ninjas. So, like, that part of it also is the whole reason why I like the original movie versus the new ones. Michael Bay also just likes to blow shit up. He's got some sort of mental problem.
He was the one that was starting trash games on fire in his backyard, right? I mean, let's be honest.
[01:14:15] Speaker B: Yeah, he was that kid.
[01:14:17] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:14:17] Speaker B: Yep.
[01:14:17] Speaker A: He was.
[01:14:18] Speaker B: He was taking, like, firecrackers. Tape reaction.
[01:14:20] Speaker A: Figure he was taking dead rats and, like, spraying him out and, like, doing, like, body examinations in his backyard. You know, crazy people. But, yeah, no, it's. This is the. The pinnacle of Marvel, or, sorry, TMNT movies was the original. And it's not just because it's the original, but they did such a good job with it, I think, in 1990 that I'm hoping they bring that back with last Ronin. Let's really hope for some. Like, and it doesn't have to be exact, because things move on. We need to. We need to modernize some things.
[01:14:47] Speaker B: Yep.
[01:14:47] Speaker A: They need to have some sort of elements that bring back that, that thing like CGI, Splinter, all you want because the puppet version of Splinter is just kind of creepy. But everything else, so it's not good.
[01:15:02] Speaker B: I'll tell you, I feel like the second one, it gets worse.
[01:15:04] Speaker A: Yes, it does.
[01:15:04] Speaker B: I don't know why. I don't know. They've seen more because. What? I don't know, but it gets worse.
[01:15:10] Speaker A: They've perfected hair in CGI, so I'm okay with them doing that in that sense. But just don't make him creepy and don't make. Yeah, I don't know. I just, it's a weird thing. So I'm hoping for the future to be a much better life, live action turtles movies to come because I think all of us are waiting for it. And, you know, for us, we'll be in the theater opening night to go see Ronin. So. But yeah, so four, four and a half, 4.25 right around there for TMNT from 1990. And again, I'll give a shout out to us. We've got our own comic convention coming up this summer here in the Bangor, Maine area in Brewer, Maine. But our buddies over at Bangor Comic and Toy Con are putting on a convention on August, October 4 through the 6th in Bangor, Maine. If you live in New England and want to come out, there's a number of turtles guests that were either in the suits or actors, voice actors, or Judith Hogue will be there and so on and so forth. They'll be doing all kinds of things all weekend with stuff like that. But also check out our buddy Bob Tackic who did a TMNT number one from 2024 here over IDW variant cover for galactic comics and collectibles, which is available at Galactic comics and collectibles.com. check that out. But you can get it signed over at the convention too, because Bob will be there. He'll have prints and he'll have all.
[01:16:18] Speaker B: Kinds of, I have now officially signed atmnt number one, which I tried to convince the person, you do not want me to sign this thing. He's like, I really do.
[01:16:25] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But, and then Joe Schmucke is doing also one variants for those, our buddy Joe over there as well as done last Ronin stuff and other TMNT covers. So he'll be at this convention as well. We'll be there promoting our convention Galacticon. But yeah, October 4 through the 6th. And so if you're a Turtles fan, this is a place for you to be, I'll tell you that right now.
[01:16:46] Speaker B: This has got to be on your map of New England. Like turtle convention stuff. Like, all right, I got to go to BCTC because they've managed to put together that, that 90 movie.
[01:16:55] Speaker A: Yep. And if you're not, if you don't want to come all over to Bangor, I love all conventions. So granite state con in New Hampshire also has a bunch of turtle people coming. I believe Kevin's going to be there. So Kevin Eastman will be signing autographs of that one too. So if you don't want to come up to Bangor, I'm not going to say you should.
[01:17:11] Speaker B: Maybe Galacticon needs to go promote there, get some signatures from working that weekend.
[01:17:17] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's awesome. So yeah, TMNT came out in 1990. I think you should all watch it right now. Like, turn this off and go watch it. It is a phenomenal movie. And if you're a Turtles fan, it's great. If you haven't seen it, watch it. And if you. If you're older, the kids are old enough to watch it, show it to them because I think it's worth it. We can. Yep.
[01:17:33] Speaker B: And if you watched it way back when and haven't watched it since. Go put it on now.
[01:17:36] Speaker A: Yes, go put it on now. And if they ever do show it back in the theaters, go see it in the theaters because it's a phenomenal movie. And then pick up, this is a french version of the book. I'll be selling this if everybody wants to buy this. No, I'm just kidding. But TMnt on vhs, so. Yeah, baby, that's awesome. You keep it real, Paul. We'll be back. I'm trying to figure what we're doing next. I don't know. The schedule looks pretty good.
Episode here. Paul Eaton returns to watch attack of the killer tomatoes. Oh, for horror.
[01:18:09] Speaker B: I'm excited. I've never actually seen this movie, so I'm excited.
[01:18:12] Speaker A: No, sorry, that's after that. You're coming back to review swamp thing for.
[01:18:18] Speaker B: Okay.
[01:18:19] Speaker A: Or a week, the DC movie swamp thing, attack of the killer tomatoes after that. So I think what we're going to do is horror week. It's going to be swamp thing here at the podcast, which will also feature review interviews, the CJ Lee author Isaac Goodhart and Tate Bramble returning to discuss the all the pedestrian life of Christopher Gay's Halloween special.
[01:18:41] Speaker B: Nice.
[01:18:42] Speaker A: And then also Nat Cassidy, who's an author, coming back to talk about coming on to talk about his book. But we're also gonna watch swamp thing in there, and then you'll come back around. Halloween is when the episode four with Attack of the killer tomatoes will be sweet. So.
Wow, I got tickle in my throat now. Perfect timing, right? Paul, I love having you on. You gotta come back on more often and just sit there in the corner if you have to. But, you know, you can talk if you want.
[01:19:09] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You can have interviews with people and I'm just idiot. That's in the corner just kind of.
[01:19:13] Speaker A: Like, who is that guy? Is that your producer? No, he's just sitting there. He just wants to watch.
[01:19:17] Speaker B: He's fine.
[01:19:18] Speaker A: He's even a microphone on. He's just sitting there. It's just a camera on him. There's not even volumes off, like, wait, why is he taking his clothes off? No, don't worry about it.
Until next time, buy tmnt. Number one variant from galactic comics and collectibles.com. our buddy Bob did a wonderful job on that, and obviously.
[01:19:36] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[01:19:37] Speaker A: So, yes. So until next time, Paul.
See you, toots. Toots.
