#208: Steel Movie Review

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesandtights.com, i'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. This episode is once again brought to you by our friends at Galactic Comics and collectibles over at 547 Ham street in Bangor, Maine, or at Galactic Comics & Collectibles.com we welcome back Galactic Comics and collectibles retailer Paul Eaton to the podcast to do another movie review and discussion. This time around, Shaquille Oneals Steel from 1997. We discussed a wide variety of topics around this Steel movie that really doesn't get as much criticism as I feel like it deserves. So check this out here on this episode of the Capes and Tights podcast, Steel Movie Review. But before you do, follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Blue Sky, Twitter threads, all that stuff. You can rate, review, subscribe all those things over on Spotify and Apple or wherever you find your podcasts. You can also visit our YouTube channel and visit our website, capesandtice.com for so much more stuff. Yeah, yeah. This is episode with Pauline, Galactic Comics and Collectibles reviewing Steel, which is a Shaquille O'Neal movie from 1997 based on the DC Comics character. Enjoy, everyone. Happy New Year. We're back. I mean, this new year, I'll say. Happy New Year. This is. This episode's coming out the end of January, but we're. [00:01:19] Speaker B: That still will be. You know, it's still New Year. [00:01:22] Speaker A: We're still. We're. We're in the early stage. It's the first episode we're recording at the end of the year. How about that? [00:01:27] Speaker B: Whoa. That's something. [00:01:28] Speaker A: There you go. [00:01:29] Speaker B: Hey, happy 200th episode. I don't think. [00:01:32] Speaker A: Oh, thank you. [00:01:33] Speaker B: I don't think I said it yet. Like, I don't think we've had. [00:01:35] Speaker A: Yes, thank you. Guess what? [00:01:37] Speaker B: Based on our recording sessions, I never know where we are. Anyways. [00:01:42] Speaker A: It is funny because I think I recorded episode 201 before 200. And so that was kind of a weird thing. Well, like I said, like, if you did it in the. In the order of your recording, it was not the 200th episode. You know, like that kind of thing. [00:01:52] Speaker B: Right, right, right. [00:01:53] Speaker A: And then there's, like, bonus episodes that I've done and so on and so forth. But you know what? It's all just. It's just fun. [00:01:59] Speaker B: Congratulations for making it so far. [00:02:01] Speaker A: In the case that we're done, we. [00:02:03] Speaker B: Have keepsake merch, sort of. [00:02:05] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. Yeah, we're gonna do more of that, I think it just, you know, timing and stuff like that is a big thing. But we're here to do our first movie review of 2025. And here's the deal, Paul. I think we're gonna do more. I. I'm gonna try to stick to a pretty legit. Schedul emailed some people to get some new guests on in 2025. I have like, said, basically, we're gonna do. We're gonna try to stick to this schedule. Ready? We're gonna stick to a schedule of an episode between the two of us doing a movie review and then two guests and then an episode of us doing a movie review and then two guests and then so on and so forth. So it's like, what, every three. Every three episodes is gonna be the. [00:02:45] Speaker B: Be prepared to watch even more. Let's just say bad movies. [00:02:50] Speaker A: I got a list started here now. Okay. So. So here's some things we'll talk. Hopefully some of them in 2025. Hopefully some of them in 2026. The Rocketeer. [00:03:01] Speaker B: Okay. That's. I don't. It'll be interesting to see. I don't think that's a bad movie. I love this kid. [00:03:06] Speaker A: It's. It is what it is. [00:03:07] Speaker B: It's age, so. [00:03:09] Speaker A: Well, yeah, I loved it as a kid. It was fun. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:12] Speaker A: Spawn, which. That'll be a fun one. And then also just have the discussion of. It's not the. Yeah. Red. Red. Sonja. Not the new one, which actually might. Actually, we might want to time that up because they are making one with Sydney Sweeney. And so maybe we time it up that we watched that one right around the time of that movie coming out. [00:03:29] Speaker B: I didn't know there was an original nor a new one. So this is all the Green Hornet. Yeah. Okay. Yep. [00:03:36] Speaker A: Electra. [00:03:37] Speaker B: Oh, God. [00:03:39] Speaker A: Max Steel. [00:03:40] Speaker B: You know, I bought Electro when it came out, and I still to this day have not watched it. [00:03:46] Speaker A: Max Steel was a book. A comic book related movie that was like one of the. It's a zero rating on Rotten Tomatoes. So it might be the worst movie we watched. We'll see Bloodshot with Vin Diesel. [00:03:57] Speaker B: Oh, yes. I haven't watched that yet. All right. [00:03:59] Speaker A: Catwoman, Constantine, Ghost Rider, Hellboy. [00:04:08] Speaker B: Okay. [00:04:08] Speaker A: Hellboy, Judge Dredd and Barbed Wire. [00:04:11] Speaker B: I love Judge. Oh, God. Barbed Wire. [00:04:13] Speaker A: And we will be watching Daredevil. And for right before the daredevil TV show comes up here, the daredevil with. From 2000, whatever year it was, that was Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck. Yeah. And then we'll watch Some random ones. I'm trying to find that Aquaman 2006 failed TV pilot. We're gonna do that one. I like to do some ones that are randomly. Like, people didn't know they were based on a comic book. So you talked about, like, two guns. There's a history of violence. 30 days a night, 300. Some of those ones that are just like, you know, you might know. You might not know. The fringe. People might not know some of these things. And we will add more to this. This is just a quick thing because there are some ones that are missing from there. But we're also fun 2025, but we'll start this year with Steel, with the one and only Shaquille O'Neal in it. [00:05:00] Speaker B: What a way to start a year. [00:05:02] Speaker A: It's just, you know, what a way to start. You want to know a fun fact while we start this off? Did you know that this film, in its entire run in the movie theaters, which. It came out August 15, 1997, the entire run, made less than Batman and Robin did in the first weekend. [00:05:26] Speaker B: You know, that's almost impressive because Batman Robin is not good. [00:05:30] Speaker A: No. And so that's actually. It must be. It might be a lot less to think about this. I just saw this. [00:05:35] Speaker B: It had to have been a lot less. [00:05:36] Speaker A: Yeah, I saw this quick fun fact on the interwebs, and. Yeah, because, I mean, the whole run for. For Batman and Robin was $238 million. This entire run was 1.7 million. [00:05:48] Speaker B: It cost $16 million to make this movie, and it only made 1.7, it said. So I wrote a fun fact. This has the largest sophomore superhero crash ever. Like, week two, it brought in, like, a few hundred grand. And the other movie that literally tied it was the Marvels. And I'm like, yeah, how. How on earth can you be in the team of the Marvels and be like, well, we tied Shaquille O'Neal Steel. [00:06:15] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, it's funny, too, because it's based off of a. D.C. quit your job. [00:06:19] Speaker B: At that point, so you forget the fact. [00:06:21] Speaker A: Like, forget the fact that it's. It's. It's a bad movie. Okay? So this movie is Shaquille O'Neal. It's based off of a DC property. Right. So it's DC's Comics Steel, John Henry Irons, and by Bas. [00:06:32] Speaker B: I'm going to say. What. They use the names. [00:06:34] Speaker A: Yeah. It's like. I said, it's like. It's like. It's basically how that works in the. [00:06:38] Speaker B: In the American. There's like very little. [00:06:40] Speaker A: Yeah. In the 90s, it's like this is how we base a movie off of a comic book. We just basically use the name and so on and so forth. And then you have Shaquille O'Neill who is a star like Ging General. And so you just think about all the fans of secure O'Neill who plays in the NBA at this time that you would go see it. Like I feel like I have basketball. [00:06:59] Speaker B: Fans because Shaq was so big. Right? We have Shaq pogs in here. [00:07:04] Speaker A: You, you see that, that mix of the fact that it is based on a D.C. property, you'd think that it would have done better. I don't like advanced reviews. Like the Internet wasn't a huge thing. So it's not like we're like on the Internet. [00:07:16] Speaker B: We had like AOL and stuff. Like we were talking. So I remember, I remember. I guess one thing, I thought this came out when I was younger, like 96, I was in freshman high school. But I remember seeing this come out and going, I'm not watching that. That looks like crap. Like that looks awful in 1996. And I gotta tell you, 42 year old Paul isn't any more impressed with it than like 14 year old Paul was. It lived up to everything I expected. Let's go with that. [00:07:47] Speaker A: Yes. [00:07:49] Speaker B: This has more bad basketball jokes in it than Space Jam. [00:07:52] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. [00:07:54] Speaker B: I. I wrote almost a major part. [00:07:56] Speaker A: Of the plot, the free throw joke. Like, okay, he's like, oh, that's why I never was good at three throws. Okay. So that doesn't make any sense to me if you aren't Shaquille O'Neal. Like that joke is funny to those people who know that Shield Neal is bad at free throws. [00:08:07] Speaker B: But like other than that. And then over. [00:08:10] Speaker A: But the character in the movie isn't Shaquille O'Neal. So why would, why would this Steel character be bad at free throws? Like it doesn't make any sense. [00:08:19] Speaker B: If it happened once, you could be like, haha, cute. Nod to that. Yeah, it was a repetitive joke. Like what, five, six times? Like it was just over and over again that he can't hit a free throw, he can't shoot from the outside. Like, like is just bad. So you can start right off with the bad bad. [00:08:40] Speaker A: It's bad comedy and bad jokes in general. [00:08:42] Speaker B: Bad comedy. [00:08:42] Speaker A: Which is fitting for a Shaquille O'Neal movie though, because I like Kazam was fun. Like just a fun random movie because Shaquille O'Neal is a freaking genie. Which we should just do that movie. I know it's not comic book related, but, like, that'd be just a fun movie to do on here. Is probably fits to the world that. [00:08:59] Speaker B: We live in here. [00:09:00] Speaker A: Yes. [00:09:01] Speaker B: Right. [00:09:03] Speaker A: Okay. Maybe 20, 26 we'll do it because. Because March 6th is his birthday. Maybe we'll. I don't. We don't have time to do it this year, but maybe next year for his birthday, we'll just do a Triloe Neil kind of like, tribute. No, but, like, bad. It's not that funny. It was funny, but like, that. This is, like, funny that it wasn't like, it's one of those movies also, like, you didn't know what it was supposed to be, what it wanted to be. Is it movie, comedy, movie? Is it? [00:09:24] Speaker B: You know, I had a few thoughts. One thought was if someone tried to explain this movie, you could just say, it's a dad joke. [00:09:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:33] Speaker B: I don't know why, but this whole thing felt like a dad joke. Yeah. It's just the whole thing is like a bad dad joke. So. No, this felt very much. Every time there's somebody here, there was an entire part of this reminded me of like, Howard the Duck. It doesn't know what it is or what it wants to be. It has no idea. Is it a comedy? Is it an action movie? Is it for kids? Is it for adults? Because it is way too corny. Way too corny to be for adults. It is like Power Ranger. Power Ranger level hokey. But also they are swearing in this left and right. There is some actual real, like, violence. Like, you know, people dying, bleeding, you know, all of that. There was a lot of, like, laser pew, pew. Cannons and stuff, for sure. You know, but this doesn't feel like a movie for grown ups. It doesn't feel like a movie for kids. It doesn't. I don't know what the hell this thing was supposed to be. [00:10:34] Speaker A: I. [00:10:35] Speaker B: It's not for superhero fans. No. If you're a D.C. fan. Because it's not even close to, like, the. The hammer. [00:10:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:44] Speaker B: I was waiting. There was a scene in it where he's coming in and he grabs the hammer. And I'm waiting for that. Like, all right, the steel moment. He's got the big hammer. He's gonna swing this thing. We get all the, like, big, enormous muscle superhero. And instead he did. The thing popped open like a gun. [00:10:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:59] Speaker B: Why is it even a freaking hammer? Just have a gun at this point? Like, it never ever is used as a hammer. I don't think it looks bad. Even the hammer looks bad. [00:11:10] Speaker A: Let's go back a little bit on how he. Why this. So. So, you know, for those who don't know, obviously, if you're listening to this podcast, you probably should have researched steel a little bit before you come in here. But it's. It's. Former army scientists, one in a steel suit, team up in Los Angeles against another who has turned bad. That's the description of the movie that's on the Internet, guys. It's such a weird description of. Of this movie. It's not wrong, but it's such a weird, like, truncated thing. [00:11:35] Speaker B: It's funny because if you can look up the description of the comics, that's not even any of it. [00:11:40] Speaker A: No. But go back. So people compare this to Iron man, right? So, like, in the sense that, like, he builds this steel suit and. And so on and so forth. This movie at least. [00:11:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:11:48] Speaker A: There was. There was a joke online about how, like, there was a joke online about a mom kid going, hey, mom, let's go see Iron Man. She's like, oh, we don't have that at home. And she goes home and she puts the VHS David Steel in there. Yeah. And the idea, though, is that. That that Iron man in the movie is in the cave. He needs this magnetic device to keep the shrapnel from killing. [00:12:11] Speaker B: Yes. [00:12:12] Speaker A: So there's a requirement. And then he sees the. He's a smart dude. He sees the. The way they integrate a suit by using this power and so on and so forth. And so that's the reason the suit. [00:12:23] Speaker B: Was created of being held captive. It's his way to get out. [00:12:27] Speaker A: That's the reason why the suits created in this movie. The suit came out of left field, in my opinion. Like, it wasn't like, all of a sudden, he needed to become a superhero to stop this guy. He just needed to stop this guy. Why the suit started becoming this thing where it's like, we're gonna build the suit. I'm gonna become a superhero. Was like, it feels like it just came out of nowhere. [00:12:47] Speaker B: So he's working in the steel plant, right. He gets back from the military, he's working the steel plant. So you can have the connection to him doing that. But why he decided to build a giant armor suit. He could have built the bad guys have this Hummer. He could have just driven around a Hummer and been like, night Rider. He could have like, well, yeah. Why on earth? There was never anything to build a suit. Why is he wearing. [00:13:08] Speaker A: And why, if they could build A suit that's awesome like this. Why doesn't she build one so she can walk? [00:13:12] Speaker B: Because she, as you find out, has the giant super chair. [00:13:17] Speaker A: Yeah. But still. [00:13:19] Speaker B: My God, I'm like, you're building this suit. [00:13:22] Speaker A: I feel like the technology is there to use, like, special things so you could walk. And I'm like, no, we're gonna build one for this seven foot, one dude. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Seeing it towards the end of it here, where his. So his partner is his best friend and. And maybe romantically interested. I don't know. Who knows? Yeah, she gets injured, right? And she's paralyzed and she's in the wheelchair. And the scene of the wheelchair at the end, the bad guys abductor and this thing starts firing off laser cannons and it's. It's all over the place. And then she's like, oh, you haven't. She's like, get out of here quick, Sparky. And she's like, how quick? Or whatever the hell the stupid word line is. And she hits it and he's like. Like, they're not jets because they're just white gas. But she's like, flying through. I'm like, that is. That might be the worst scene of the movie. A lot of bad scenes in it. That might be the worst scene. [00:14:14] Speaker A: But when he goes to visit her in the. In hospital, when he gets. She gets transferred. And he breaks the window. [00:14:19] Speaker B: Yeah, he breaks the window. [00:14:20] Speaker A: And he's like, we're gonna get out of here. I was like, that's pretty bad too. I'm like, jeez, did they just have this big honking guy so they had to do these, like, big things? [00:14:28] Speaker B: That's what it seemed like. [00:14:29] Speaker A: So my biggest complaint about Shaquille O'Neal. Okay, I understand the idea. So here's a fun fact. You know who was originally eyed by the director? Writer. [00:14:37] Speaker B: Director. [00:14:37] Speaker A: To play the character. [00:14:39] Speaker B: I read about this. [00:14:39] Speaker A: Wesley Snipes. So Wesley Snipes. It would have been better. It would have been. [00:14:45] Speaker B: I mean, because it's been very steel accurate. [00:14:48] Speaker A: I don't. Yeah. [00:14:49] Speaker B: Shaquille O'Neal is right for the character. Snipes isn't a particularly tall. [00:14:53] Speaker A: He's not. No, no, no. He's not at all. [00:14:56] Speaker B: So for like. Yeah, I can see the casting of steel for the size of him and what steel is in the comics. Yes, but outside of that. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Well, the problem I have with Chiqui O'Neill is he's this. This hulking big dude. Right. He's a humongous dude. Enormous, but his voice has no base to it. No, it has, like, deepness to it, but there's no, like. I don't know, there's no, like, bass. And the base of it sounds. It doesn't. He doesn't sound menacing. He sounds like a teddy bear. And so, like, making this huge character, like. I feel like if he was casting a character nowadays, they would have done some voice modulation to his voice. [00:15:29] Speaker B: He looks like it, too. He has, like, the facial features. He's just like. He's the baby. The baby face. Yeah, he's just sort of like, God love him. He's. He's great with Adam Sandler now and these comedy roles and like. Yeah, everything. Yeah. But back then. No, no. And he just. Yeah. He doesn't have the look of steel. He never looks like he's really gonna fight crime or stop people and, you. [00:15:50] Speaker A: Know, that they couldn't really. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Doesn't look intimidating at all. [00:15:53] Speaker A: He did all his own stunts. [00:15:55] Speaker B: He was. For what I read, he was excited to do this. He memorized all of his lines in one go. They never had to reshoot for lines. [00:16:01] Speaker A: Do you know why he did all of his own stunts, though? [00:16:04] Speaker B: You couldn't find stuntman, probably. [00:16:07] Speaker A: There's no 7 foot 1 black stunt double that it could play his character well. [00:16:12] Speaker B: So there you go. There's. There's a. My first thing in this. The police are trying to identify this guy. We're trying to find him. I gotta tell you, it enormous. Seven foot, like what? Seven foot one, Seven foot three, black man. Probably not that hard to find. Like, I know it's la, but still, this guy is enormous. Like, you see him walking around, he stands out anywhere he goes, like, I'm gonna go ahead and throw this out there. It's probably him. [00:16:39] Speaker A: The couple was nice, though. The couple being like, no, it's okay. We don't want to name him. And they obviously knew it was him. [00:16:45] Speaker B: Yeah, they knew. [00:16:45] Speaker A: They're like, no. And then the cop does the same thing. Was it. Isn't it the cop from Die Hard? [00:16:50] Speaker B: It was not, but it looked like him. [00:16:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:16:54] Speaker B: It was definitely the pal from Diehard's cousin. [00:16:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:58] Speaker B: All right, so here we go. Here's some more fantastic things from this movie. The highlights. So he doesn't fly. Steel flies because steel is like Superman. He builds a suit and he makes it so that he can fly. So he has the powers of Superman. John Henry Irons, you know, in the Death of Superman, builds this thing to honor Superman. But steel doesn't fly. So you have this enormous guy in the Suit and he gets back these people's belongings. He hands it to him and he gets on just an escalator and starts rising like this. Like he's like, they made it. Like, well, he doesn't fly, but we're giving him this like idea that, you know. Yeah, guess what? He's riding an escalator. Why is he riding an escalator? And then the, the gauntlet that he fires up and he shoots the thing and he starts. Buys up and he just. Look, it just looks awful. This enormous man in a giant steel suit riding up on a grapple hook. I'm sorry. It looked completely ridiculous. [00:17:54] Speaker A: Yes, it did. [00:17:55] Speaker B: And I saw that they cut the cape from the costume. [00:17:58] Speaker A: Yes. [00:17:58] Speaker B: Instantly from Steel. They were like, we're not doing a cape. I almost think it. A cape would have helped this a little. Like, the Steel costume looks bad. It doesn't look like Steel from the cartoon or from the comics or the cartoon. It doesn't look like. Which I know, right? We're talking special effects. 1996. Like, I get it, the Steel, very hard to do. But he's got the areas out there with all these guys, they're all shooting at him and his face is all open in this thing. Like, why not make a full face shield? Why not make a doctor Doom styles intimidating? We want you to know that it's. [00:18:33] Speaker A: That it's like, yeah, you're paying him so much money that you want to. [00:18:37] Speaker B: See it, but like, we don't want to see it. It would look better if not like he would have looked more intimidating. [00:18:43] Speaker A: You're right. [00:18:44] Speaker B: A full face plate on there and the freaking thing would have made more sense. [00:18:49] Speaker A: So Warner Brothers. [00:18:50] Speaker B: Every single thing I thought about this movie is exactly what this movie was. [00:18:54] Speaker A: Warner Brothers felt the casting of Shkil O'Neill would help them sell tickets or sell toys and merchandise, which I don't think it probably did. So. So here's my question for you, Paul, as a person who does deep more DC than I do and so on and so forth. And you knew this character at least somewhat before? [00:19:07] Speaker B: Oh, I used to read Steel as a kid. Yeah. [00:19:09] Speaker A: This Steel was introduced in the Adventures of Superman, number 500, June of 1993. From. From Simonson in Bogdanova. [00:19:22] Speaker B: Yeah, Dan. [00:19:23] Speaker A: Dan, right, John. Oh, John Bogdano. [00:19:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Because he always signs just bog. [00:19:28] Speaker A: Yeah. So 1993, this movie came out in 1986. It was obviously filmed and optioned, but prior to that. And so you're talking three year old character and you're already taking Liberties on costume and all. Seems like a weird thing. It seems like if they created Miles Morales and put up Miles Morales in a movie three years later, that a. It wouldn't do well because. Because the character. [00:19:53] Speaker B: Probably not that well known. [00:19:55] Speaker A: And then the second thing is, if you're gonna do that, it was literally just recently made. So, like, I don't understand why you'd screw with anything. Why would you mix anything up? That's. That's literally like. And it's Warner Brothers, dc, all that stuff is all together. So it's like. It's like they can. They can do what they want, basically. It's not like Simonson has any say on it. [00:20:12] Speaker B: Right. Yeah, yeah. They have all of the rights to this thing, so why do any of this? [00:20:17] Speaker A: I don't understand. I just, you know, I. You know, maybe I don't. Maybe. [00:20:21] Speaker B: So looking at your, like, less familiar characters like the Blade movie, a lot of people didn't know Blade was a Marvel movie. [00:20:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [00:20:28] Speaker B: Nor in Blade is there any of the other real Marvel stuff. Spider man not swimming by in the background. Anything. But they changed Blade a lot from his original version in the comics where he was brightly colored and he had all the wooden stakes and all this and that. And, like, Wesley Snipes was like a badass character. We changed stuff in Steel, but did not improve any of this. We gave Steel all these weird weapons and gimmicks, and he did feel sort of Iron Man. Like, every time he turned around, there was a new weird gimmick in the costume. Like the. The electromagnet and like, the behind. Like, he can see behind his back because he has the cameras and she's watching him. And there's just so many weird gimmicks to this suit. And I think it would have felt better if we had the villain who was. He was at least sleazy. He was not a great. [00:21:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:21:21] Speaker B: Actor in this per se. Like, not great in it, but he was sleazy. And he's building all this technology. He's a Weasley little guy. So if he's a weasel guy and he's obsessed with technology, if you had the massive, hulking Shaquille O'Neill say, I'm gonna go out there and take these weapons off the streets, and I'm doing it the old fashioned way, and he's in an armored suit to protect himself, swinging a giant hammer and just being an enormous muscle dude. Yeah, that would have looked better. Yeah, we could have gone with that. Instead, he's using all the same stupid technology. And the hammer's a gun for some frigging reason. And it's just. All of it is ridiculous, which is funny because ridiculous. [00:21:56] Speaker A: It screams like your. [00:21:58] Speaker B: Your. [00:21:58] Speaker A: Your Madame Web. It screams your Morbius. It screams this whole. That there's, like, 17 different writers on it. Like, it screams the idea that no one could get together and figure out why. [00:22:10] Speaker B: Figure out what this is. [00:22:11] Speaker A: Yeah. However, it's written and directed by the same dude. [00:22:15] Speaker B: Yeah. It's great. And it. And that It's. It's all run by DC Comics, by Warner Brothers. It's insane that it got so far away from anything. [00:22:24] Speaker A: Yes. [00:22:25] Speaker B: Like, he has a Superman tattoo. So we're like, oh, Superman. He would. Shaquille O'Neal love Superman? [00:22:33] Speaker A: I have a quote for you after you're done here. Yeah. [00:22:35] Speaker B: Is in a costume in his name, Steel. And that is about Paul. That was really all. [00:22:41] Speaker A: Well, I feel like. I feel like this is the only opportunity he had. This is the closest opportunity he ever had to becoming Superman, and he likes it, man, a lot. So, like, this is like, okay, this is my opportunity. [00:22:49] Speaker B: I wouldn't blame Shaquille here for taking the role. [00:22:51] Speaker A: Well, they said man of Steel way too many times, too. Because he's not the man of Steel. The man of Steel is super. I don't like. That's the other part about it I didn't like. It's like, oh, he's a Man of Steel. The man of Steel. I mean, I'm like, he's not the man of Steel. I know he is, but he doesn't. [00:23:01] Speaker B: Exist in this world because this isn't. For some reason, this isn't. Have anything to do with Superman. [00:23:06] Speaker A: So here's my question for you on. On the writing and directing of this film. Were you a fan of the 19. 1977 and 1982 Hulk TV show? [00:23:15] Speaker B: I don't really remember. I remember watching it as a kid, but I don't really remember it with. [00:23:20] Speaker A: Lou Ferrigno and Bill Bixby. [00:23:22] Speaker B: I remember at the time, like, the one or two times I saw it, I remember being, like, amazed by it. You know what I mean? [00:23:28] Speaker A: Yeah. You developed that. Kenneth Johnson developed that. The writer and director of this movie. So. So they obviously grabbed someone who knew comics and knew what to do. [00:23:39] Speaker B: And everyone that I've talked to that has watched the Hulk or grew up in that Hulk run said it was a great show, and this was not. [00:23:47] Speaker A: So. So it's. It was written and directed by Kenneth Johnson, who had developed the Incredible Hulk TV Series. Okay, there's that, right? There's that. That connection. Who Bionic Woman TV show, 1976-1978, as well as Alien Nation. I know what that was all about. It says. [00:24:03] Speaker B: And apparently they reference Alien Nation. And I'm sure there's like, a cult following because I've heard of it before, but I don't know what it is either. [00:24:09] Speaker A: He worked on the Six Billion Dollar Man. [00:24:10] Speaker B: Feel like I saw merchandise of it or something once. Like a lunch box or shirt or something. [00:24:15] Speaker A: He wrote the story for Mighty Ducks D3. [00:24:18] Speaker B: That's a good. [00:24:19] Speaker A: He directed Short Circuit 2. [00:24:22] Speaker B: I don't know if I ever saw A Short Circuit. [00:24:25] Speaker A: He also was the director of Xenon Girl, the 21st century from Nickelodeon back in the. Or Disney. What was that? Nickelodeon or Disney back in the day? Xenon. Oh, God, that's so awesome. I love it now. But no. So all this guy. He actually obviously knows this. It was produced. Which producing roles are sometimes just, hey, I put some money up or whatever. But Quincy Jones, the musician, right? So Quincy, maybe he probably had. I don't know. His record deal was. His record deal through Warner Brothers. And there's this, like, you know. But then obviously the stars. Shaquille O'Neal. It stars. Annabeth Gish was also in, like, X Files around the time she was a character. [00:25:11] Speaker B: Starship Troopers, something like that, too. The Stargate TV show. She seemed really familiar, and they definitely recognized her from other roles. [00:25:19] Speaker A: Judd Nelson. Judd Nelson's been in a bunch of stuff. [00:25:22] Speaker B: I was in a bunch of other stuff, too. [00:25:24] Speaker A: And then R B musician Ray J. Was Martin in this movie. So it's like, there's, like, connections to a bunch of different things. And this is just one of those ones that I can't believe. I don't know. When you tell people about it, it's one of those weird movies that people know about, but they just don't like. I don't know. It's weird. And it never really got a push. It never really. [00:25:43] Speaker B: I knew it existed, but I never watched it. Like, I remember seeing the previews and just went, nope, not doing this. [00:25:48] Speaker A: Yes. Someone goes. [00:25:50] Speaker B: I watched tons of movies growing up. [00:25:52] Speaker A: Someone on Letterbox said that jokingly. This is obviously being facetious and sarcastic, but it was that they. This. The Superman should. Should sue over this movie. And it was weird. It. What was the creationist character? [00:26:09] Speaker B: The guys that. That actually did the creation of Steel should sue on the fact that they butchered the character so badly. But, like, Steel annihilated it. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Like Steel feels like, you know, like I said, because of the way it's named Steel and all that stuff. It's suing Spider. Superman is kind of funny in that sense, but he was first appeared in a Superman comic book, so it's like they knew what they're doing. [00:26:33] Speaker B: Superman died, and John Henry Irons needed. The world needed a hero, and he did it to honor Superman. And all this, like, great background and like the. The character still to me is always cool. Like, him showing up is awesome. [00:26:45] Speaker A: So. [00:26:46] Speaker B: So almost like, look back on this appearing. You're like, oh, man, here we go. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Do you obviously remember? And so Spider man, was it Spider Man Homecoming? Far from home. [00:26:58] Speaker B: No way home. [00:27:00] Speaker A: Far from home was the one. Right. That was right after what, Iron man died, right? [00:27:04] Speaker B: Yes. [00:27:04] Speaker A: No. Was that three? [00:27:06] Speaker B: No, it's two. [00:27:07] Speaker A: Okay. [00:27:07] Speaker B: Because he gets the glasses and. [00:27:09] Speaker A: Yes. [00:27:10] Speaker B: It was about the ex Stark employees. Yeah. [00:27:12] Speaker A: So. So. So think about re. Envisioning this movie, Paul, about how Steel coming out and the beginning of this movie is Superman dying. [00:27:22] Speaker B: That would have. That might have helped this. [00:27:24] Speaker A: And then that way you could. You bring it in, you tie it in. You don't have to worry about. You don't have to cast a Superman. [00:27:29] Speaker B: Right. [00:27:30] Speaker A: You just. You just talk about it. [00:27:31] Speaker B: It's out there. [00:27:32] Speaker A: Yes. Yep. And then this guy today. But for some reason. So here's the biggest thing to me is like the. The vendetta, the. The. The. The revenge, the. The stopping. This person is known by only that group that has the weapons and these people and like the military, like the greater American people don't know what the hell is going on, why there's a Steel character going and doing this thing. So they made it more broad. I mean, it'd be like people being like, yeah, and cheering for this dude. It would have been better. But it almost felt. I don't know, it was weird. I don't know why they. The other one was why they chose Steel. Like, where in. It was. It's not like he was super popular. Right. I mean, there's not like. It's not like. No. Is he around still today? [00:28:16] Speaker B: I think he had some. Some bit of being blood, But I think three years after the fact. Because he was what, 93? [00:28:21] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:28:21] Speaker B: I think by 96, steel wasn't nearly as prominent. [00:28:26] Speaker A: Mm. [00:28:27] Speaker B: And so here's another thing. Like, they always have Steel out at night. [00:28:31] Speaker A: Yep. [00:28:32] Speaker B: I feel like it felt like a. Like a trying to be Batman. And they talked about how they want him to be like this knight in Shining armor thing. And he always shows up but steals out during the day. Steals like Superman. This is idol. He, he's. I don't know, like it. There should have been more times of him being out in the costume in daylight and stopping crime or. Or helping people, you know, do the, I don't know, do the building on fire routine or the car accident. He flips the car back over to save someone, do something so that he's more than just out there at night. But then also the costume is just armor. He doesn't gain anything from it. They didn't do the Iron man thing where he has super strength through the costume. You know, make him sure he's a giant muscled guy and he needs to be that to wear this thing. But put some of this technology into the fact that he is super strong with it. You know they have the idea they use. Who cares. They use miniature pistons that they created. There's some friggin thing that. That way you can lift stuff and do things that are more superman like and more steel like because instead he's just a jack wagon with a dumb looking gun. Like that's all he is. [00:29:41] Speaker A: You were stuck on his gun? No. [00:29:43] Speaker B: Oh my God. It irked me so much the. [00:29:46] Speaker A: Do you think Shaquille O'Neill still has a suit? Do you think he had him keep it and he has it in his house? [00:29:51] Speaker B: I don't know if I'd want it. Would you? Would you want it? You want to remember this? [00:29:55] Speaker A: He doesn't know. That guy is one of those ones. [00:29:57] Speaker B: He was just proud of the fact. [00:29:58] Speaker A: That he was just happy he was in a movie. Yeah, he was in a DC movie. So it was shot. I almost. I don't know for sure but I would almost figure that most of these shots were done at night because he filmed most of it at night. It was shot in 31 nights because he was. He was busy. [00:30:14] Speaker B: Schedule was really hard. [00:30:15] Speaker A: The 96 Olympics and all that stuff. And so that's my most about whatever. And hey, we'll film these scenes at night because that's when he can do it. That's probably why. And again a $16 million budget, which I mean that seems high, doesn't it? [00:30:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know how much of that page Shaquille O'Neal. [00:30:35] Speaker A: I don't know. [00:30:35] Speaker B: He doesn't have much other actors in this had been in other things. They weren't big actors. [00:30:39] Speaker A: We didn't also don't think that much. [00:30:42] Speaker B: Money, major villain or something. [00:30:44] Speaker A: Would you imagine that Shaquille O'Neal is like, gets that much money for not being a big actor, though. I know he's a name, but like, I'm not. I'm sure that's not. [00:30:52] Speaker B: The rest of it had to have gone to special effects and like damaging stuff. Like just all of the, like. Because they blew up tons of crap. I mean, making, making a movie scene, pulling up the helicopter in the middle of LA there and it, it, like it looked good as far as it looked like a helicopter. Boy, it didn't look like your cheap prop, like Nick Fury that we watched. Yeah, like the Agent of Steel. Like the, the explosions and the ships and that stuff all looked like bad models. This looked like a legitimate movie action scene. Like could have been the scene in Die Hard when they blow up the chopper. Like, it was well done. All of that stuff was well done. So I'm guessing a lot of it probably also went into effects. [00:31:33] Speaker A: Yeah, I honestly don't think it was that bad of a looking movie. Like, if you, if you. Overall, in the scheme of things, you're right. There's certain things that are just like, okay, acting was bad and overall the comedy was bad. Overall, the changes and all that stuff was bad. [00:31:47] Speaker B: But like the hokiness is probably a lot of the acting and the writing. [00:31:51] Speaker A: Okay, so Die hard, made in 1988, was filmed for 25 million. [00:31:56] Speaker B: Okay, so. [00:31:57] Speaker A: So $8 million. [00:31:58] Speaker B: But also, Bruce Willis was a huge actor at that point. [00:32:00] Speaker A: It was 10 years prior, basically, or eight years prior. So you also have that. But I think that to making a movie of this scale and base, Warner Brothers making it, I think 15 million is probably your minimum budget. Like, it's just like you don't make a movie for less than 15 million. Like you have, you have Screen Actors Guilds, you have all these different guilds and things, minimum payments. You have to make people and stuff like that. [00:32:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:25] Speaker A: So in catering, you have to kill anyone. I'm sure the catering craft services was probably up there. [00:32:32] Speaker B: Gotta keep that athlete fed, man. [00:32:34] Speaker A: Yes. But yeah, for 1.7 million. $1.7 million is like you sneeze nowadays and you make $1.7 million on a movie. Like, no, no budget movies make 701.7. [00:32:46] Speaker B: I. I'm thinking like bad Netflix series or. Or like one shot things from Netflix probably make more than that in the grand scheme of revenue creation. Like, yeah, 1.7 mil. Man, that is. That's rough. I saw that. I was surprised, honestly, that that wasn't the very bottom dollar of money. Making movies for either this category of superheroes or for like Warner Brothers. Like that's. That's a huge hit. Like a huge. And I don't think it made more an action figures shirts. [00:33:18] Speaker A: Is there. [00:33:18] Speaker B: Is there any VHS of it back in the day? You know what I mean? [00:33:22] Speaker A: Is there a steel action figure from this movie? [00:33:24] Speaker B: Yes, there is. I had it here. There was a motorcycle one. We had the motorcycle one in here. [00:33:29] Speaker A: Kenner 1997. [00:33:30] Speaker B: Yep. We had it on. On Carneal Steel motorcycle. [00:33:35] Speaker A: You can buy right now for 1590. You can buy one for $15.90 on eBay. [00:33:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I think I gave. [00:33:42] Speaker A: Oh, my God. I need a steel character now for my office. [00:33:45] Speaker B: Oh, the one in here. [00:33:47] Speaker A: 25 bucks. Steel Kenner Steel movie figure. Shaquille O'Neal as John Henry. Loose, holding the hammer. Has a full suit on, 25 bucks. I don't want to pay that much money. This on card one, though, is pretty cool. I feel like I would go up to a convention or like see Shaquille, like some sort of basketball thing. And I walk up with that. Screw getting a basketball signed or jersey signed. [00:34:11] Speaker B: There's a question. Like, get out of here. [00:34:13] Speaker A: You kidding me? He made us like. So the best Shaquille O'Neill movie in the history is not this movie. The best Shaquille in history is a movie called Blue Chips, which was his first movie he ever made. And that is about basketball and college recruiting and college recruiting scandals. [00:34:26] Speaker B: I thought. I thought this was his first movie. [00:34:28] Speaker A: No, this actually came out because the M came up before this too. This Kazam. Then this. And then there's. He was in Good Burger as himself. He didn't play a character himself. If you look at his filmography is actually mostly playing himself and things and actually acting now. [00:34:43] Speaker B: He's almost like famous just for being Adam Sandler's buddy. [00:34:46] Speaker A: Yeah, he's just. He's just. [00:34:47] Speaker B: He just pops up randomly famous. [00:34:49] Speaker A: I know anybody's a basketball fan here. The. The inside the NBA on tnt. He is famous on there because he's just human. Charles Barker go at it. Joking back and forth. And they're just both like these, like. [00:35:00] Speaker B: So I'm not a basketball guy, but I have seen some of the Charles Barkley stuff and I love Barkley. He's great. [00:35:05] Speaker A: The best clip is the fact of Shaquille O'Neal trying to get up from sitting behind the desk. One time he tripped over a cord and almost. He ripped the TV off the wall. It was the greatest thing. If you have a chance, Paul, look up Shaq falling on Inside the NBA. It's, it's a, it's a classic clip from that show. They're like going to commercial and he's trying to get up to like do something and he like trips over a cord and rips a TV down. And that was when they had like a 5.0 earthquake in Los Angeles falling that big. [00:35:33] Speaker B: Have you gone through like some drywall? [00:35:37] Speaker A: You had mentioned earlier about the, the swearing and all that stuff. It is in that era of, of PG13 movies where it was like, like, like honestly I think Footloose was a PG movie and there was RPG 13 movie and it was swearing in it and things like that. [00:35:51] Speaker B: It was about like the 80s had like all kinds of stuff. [00:35:55] Speaker A: Well, it was basically like there was like three levels of movies at that time. It was like, hey, just let you know, you should let your no kids know. The parental guidance was basically saying, parents, we're giving you some guidance to let you know that this might not be suitable for kids under the age of 13. Just letting you know it was not like so strict. I feel like it is now. And R was like basically anything goes outside of like full on hardcore sex. And then there was like the younger the G movies which basically means that like hey, by the way, this is just a movie. And so like back then this was like this weird PG13 because I looked it up when I started watching this movie, Paul, I looked up like was this R rated? Because it was like there was a moment there where like push that boundaries right up to the edge. [00:36:35] Speaker B: They did a lot. Yeah. And I feel like they may have been trying to target like teen. Like why would have been 96, like a teen boy, 14, 15 year old. But it's too cheesy for that. I think like it was too, it was too hokey. It wasn't well enough done to, to grab that audience. And it's. That side of it leans more to the seven year old kid. [00:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:00] Speaker B: But then the, the swearing and like I said, there was enough actual violence per se of like the cops bleeding, cars getting flipped, like people dying, war scenes and stuff that you can't at the same time put it in that seven year old. Yeah. Okay. Let the little guy watch it. [00:37:20] Speaker A: So that was cool. [00:37:20] Speaker B: I mean it just gets lost I think altogether. [00:37:24] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't think they should never admit it. I mean making it R would have been crazy. But like I understand there was this thing. But also like who wasn't made for. Maybe that's why the 1.7 million was, was a, was a, was the thing. I don't know what the promotion was around it either was like just like a whole, like after DC watched her, like we have to release this but damn, we're not going to put a bunch of stuff out there for it. [00:37:46] Speaker B: Like right. We're not going to sink more money into this. [00:37:48] Speaker A: I don't know. Because it could be easy again, they. [00:37:50] Speaker B: Could have watched it and gone or did the previews like in theaters for, for tests and gone. Okay, we're not going to sink more money into advertising this. [00:37:59] Speaker A: But I think about it, I feel. [00:38:01] Speaker B: Like it's a missed opportunity ad for this on the back. [00:38:04] Speaker A: It's a bad movie. Right. And so I think that probably was said from the higher ups at Warner Brothers. Like this movie sucks. They don't want this movie out there. We have to. This is not the same time as we have now where they'll like kill a 30 million dollar, 40 million dollar movie for tax write off. Yeah, they'll just release this because think about it. If he was playing in the Olympics at the time that he was filming this, he was a good NBA player. Just taking your entire marketing budget and put it on in between quarters at a basketball game that she killing was playing in. [00:38:40] Speaker B: Yeah. You think basketball fans would go see it for the hell of it? Yes, why not? We saw the movie we wanted to see last weekend and this weekend we don't have plans. Let's go watch it. Because I like Shaq and Shaq's big at this time and. Yeah, obviously. So let's go, let's go just see this movie for the fun of it. And it doesn't, it doesn't appear that that many people did that. [00:39:01] Speaker A: No, I just, you know, it's one of the greatest audience at all. Yeah, I mean he was, he was on the all NBA teams in those years. I mean it was a couple years later he won the MVP and won championships and things like that. But he was the rookie of the in 1993. He was in the Olympics. Like he's a big, big, big menacing power in the NBA. And I feel like that alone, like I think that's what made people go see Space Jam number one. Right, the first base Jam because Michael Jordan was in it. And I think people wouldn't suspect number two because LeBron James was in it. [00:39:30] Speaker B: And I think Space Jam 1 had the, the novelty of like the shoot who Framed Roger Rabbit? [00:39:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:39:39] Speaker B: But animated characters with the live action and it being combined and mixed in like it had been a while since that came out, you know, I mean, a little bit. And it was fun to see, so let's see it again. [00:39:49] Speaker A: But you know for a fact that there was a bunch of people inside because Michael Jordan was in it. [00:39:53] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, 1.7 mil. Almost feels like the friends and family of everybody that has something to do with this movie. [00:40:01] Speaker A: Well, Shaquille O'Neal is probably making that much money, so he probably bought a million dollars of tickets and just hand. [00:40:06] Speaker B: Them out and sell. [00:40:06] Speaker A: No one actually saw this movie where. [00:40:07] Speaker B: The filming was here. Kids, go see my movie. [00:40:10] Speaker A: No one actually saw this movie. [00:40:14] Speaker B: Yeah, the theaters didn't actually have anyone in it. Shaq just bought tickets. [00:40:18] Speaker A: And this is not one of those movies, people that. That after the fact that the movie came out, it's now a hit on the Internet where people were like, oh, this is a cult classic kind of a movie. It is not. It is one of those things. [00:40:29] Speaker B: I bet there's probably a good portion of comic fans that don't know this movie exists. Yeah, they were older, so they didn't see it, like, when I was, you know, they were in high school. If they were born in the 2000s and they're big comic book fans, they probably don't know this exists. [00:40:47] Speaker A: I would think that it's also. It's so fringe on the fact that I would. I could put it on that list. I'm not gonna put it on that list, but I'm putting together a list of movies you didn't know are based on comic books. This would be on there. But I also feel like this isn't well enough known to put it in that category that you knew was based on a comic book. So there's that one like the one I mentioned earlier, which, like, I didn't even realize it. It's stupid for me because I love Matias Santa Luco and Boom is huge. But Two Guns with Mark Wahlberg and Denzel Washington was based off of a comic book at Boom Studios. And so, like, that was one that, like, that movie made millions and millions and millions of dollars and had Mark Wahlberg and Dennis, like, there's this major people in this movie. And I would think that 95% of the people went and saw that movie in theaters, had no idea what's based on a comic book. That 5% are Die Hard comic book fan who've been in comic book going to, you know, Wednesday warriors for most of their adult life. And so that's when they were. Oh, yeah, I know that I know that comic. But like those are the kind of things having a movie that no one knows about. Yes. No one knows based on a comic book because they didn't know about it. [00:41:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is almost the. Did you know that this character in comics got a movie? [00:41:52] Speaker A: Yes. Here's the deal. I would think that there's a 95% of people who've seen this movie knew it was based on a comic book character. Because that's the only people who went and saw it. Where the people was based on a comic book character. [00:42:01] Speaker B: The Die Hard Steel fans out there or people that were at the LCS going, oh yeah, I'm gonna go see it for the hell of it. You know. Hey. [00:42:08] Speaker A: Yes. [00:42:09] Speaker B: Because there weren't a lot of superhero movies back then either. You know, there weren't a lot out there. The Batman era stuff had kind of gone. [00:42:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:16] Speaker B: It moved past. And the Marvel stuff hadn't really started yet. So there really wasn't a lot out there. So if you were. If you were just a comic fan and seeing it for the sake of it, like at least they made one. I'll go watch it. [00:42:29] Speaker A: But I am disappointed in the world right now. So I just was reading on the releases I'm trying to find. There's a really. There's a. There's a release on Wikipedia. There's usually like a. This is what it makes in the theaters. And then it tells you when it made it, when it went released to DVD and so on and so forth. There isn't a DVD thing on here. It doesn't actually say when it's released on dvd. [00:42:48] Speaker B: This movie not released. It had to have been. [00:42:50] Speaker A: It is on dvd. It is on duty. You can buy. [00:42:52] Speaker B: It's gotta have been. [00:42:53] Speaker A: But the last line under critical response, Paul, it makes me frustrated. Did you ever see Kevin Costner's the Postman? [00:42:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, so I read that. Yeah. I love that movie. [00:43:03] Speaker A: Kevin Costner was not horrible in that movie. I love that movie. Screw everybody. And that Shaquille O'Neal got lost it to him. Even if you didn't like that movie. And he was a bad actor. Shaquille Neil was way worse in this movie. [00:43:14] Speaker B: 100. Yeah. I don't know. I did not understand that. Yeah. I like the Postman. I've watched it numerous times. I thought Kevin Costner was good in it. So I don't get Kevin Costner getting a razzie for worse actor. [00:43:27] Speaker A: This is definitely on steel. Definitely worse. [00:43:30] Speaker B: 100. [00:43:31] Speaker A: Well, is that one of those scale things where it's like, oh, usually the, the coach of the year in professional sports is the one that had a shitty year last year and then they wouldn't really belly this year. It's really not the coach of the year. They just had this biggest turnaround and it's that like they expected so much more from Kevin Costner and they do, right? Nobody expects anything from him. So. Yeah. [00:43:49] Speaker B: And I mean, I was, I was surprised to find out because I saw Postman. Like I grabbed it or somebody recommended it or whatever or I grabbed the DVD and like I enjoyed it, I liked it. I liked the concept and I was surprised to find out that it was a tank of a movie for like. It wasn't well received. [00:44:07] Speaker A: No, it wasn't. [00:44:09] Speaker B: No. And then. And that completely shocked me because I liked it. [00:44:12] Speaker A: I like that's the two movies that people get a on me all the time about is Postman and the what in Water World are two Kevin Foster movies that, that again, I think part of it is they were made for so much money and didn't do well in the boxes. So like Water World was a humongous, unsuccessful came out. [00:44:30] Speaker B: It was like. [00:44:30] Speaker A: Because it was made for so much money. Yeah. [00:44:33] Speaker B: Like, I thought it was fun. I liked it. It's got, it's obviously got a bunch of plot hole problems. [00:44:38] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Obviously a lot of weird. [00:44:40] Speaker B: But overall it's an enjoyable movie. Yeah. Water World overall is a hell of a lot more enjoyable than Steel was. Still was fun for being bad. [00:44:50] Speaker A: I'd watch Water World. [00:44:52] Speaker B: You want to watch something Steel is right. You gotta be right on top of the list because this was just bad. [00:44:58] Speaker A: I'd watch Waterworld and then I watch Postman again and again before I'd watch this movie again. [00:45:03] Speaker B: Yeah, agreed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:45:04] Speaker A: It's just so bad. It's. [00:45:06] Speaker B: Glad I didn't sit down and commit watching this like all in all about the family. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I like, I watched this while on the treadmill. Yeah, I'm on there and I got like Steel on and I'm, you know, I'm watching it going, wow, this is just not. I'm watching on my phone. Like I can't imagine taking the time putting this on the big screen. [00:45:26] Speaker A: Yes. No, I watched it while I was working. So it's. Yeah, it's a. It's a fun. It's a. It's a. It's a movie. I feel like it's great. We watched it. It's checked off the list. I don't think ever watch it again, I don't. There's no reason. It's not like I'm a show nova. Like, hey, unless he becomes a huge Shaquille O'Neal fan. Like, that's the difference. [00:45:43] Speaker B: I watch here occasionally for fun. [00:45:46] Speaker A: Kazam. We gotta watch Kazan. That's the movie you want to watch if you're Ste. [00:45:50] Speaker B: I've never watched Kazam either, so. So, yeah, I almost think I would play this in here occasionally for fun, for conversation starter. [00:45:56] Speaker A: Okay. [00:45:56] Speaker B: Somebody coming in and what the hell are you watching? Steel. What? But no, no, other than that. No, no. And I hope. And I hope if we do that it's on, like to be or something, because I don't. I wouldn't want money invested into a streaming service to have this. [00:46:16] Speaker A: I thought. I thought to myself the other day, I was like, actually thought about this morning when I was coming in my office. I was like, should I make the requirement that I start collecting these on DVD or vhs, whatever they are? Like, I have to actually own them. And then I thought about. So. But then I feel like I can't. I can't get some of them. Like, you can't get the Fantastic Four. You can't get some of the on air pilots and things like that. So it's like, go on ebay and. [00:46:35] Speaker B: See if you can find a bootleg recorded off television VHS copy of the Fantastic Four movie. It's literally one of the old, like, just in a regular sleeve. You used to buy the movies to record themselves. [00:46:47] Speaker A: Oh, oh, it's available on VHS, dude, for 12 bucks. [00:46:52] Speaker B: Tell you what, it'd be a hell of a remark done on it. [00:46:56] Speaker A: Now I feel like I need to do it. Yes. They go get pop tactic to do stuff. That's how they do things. [00:47:03] Speaker B: Steel drawn on the Steel movie. This is what he's supposed to look like. [00:47:06] Speaker A: We're gonna add. We're gonna add a whole section in the wall over here of the movies we've reviewed. We'll have Paul put our. Bob put like a little like what Our five stars out of five stars are on it as well as the. The. The little remark on it. Yeah, that's kind of funny. So 12 bucks for DVD. 12 bucks for VHS. I'm never gonna watch it again. It was literally just have a collector's item. So having a VHS would be worth it. [00:47:26] Speaker B: God almighty. [00:47:29] Speaker A: Half star, half star. We don't give zeros. I was gonna give it a one star because I thought, okay, there were some. Again, it wasn't bad looking, in my opinion, for A film made in 1987. But then I'm thinking myself, I'm like, out of all of the movies that we'd watch, there's some of them I'd watch for the complete, utter horribleness of the movie to show people, no, I didn't hit that. It doesn't have anything on me. [00:47:56] Speaker B: That makes you watch Fantastic Four again for, like, look how great the Doom costume is and how stupid the rest of this movie is. [00:48:01] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:01] Speaker B: And this didn't even hit that. [00:48:02] Speaker A: And it's a DC film, so it's not me. To me, it's not like going back and watching the DC stuff. Nothing against. This is not me shitting on dc. This is me saying there's no personal connection to the character to steal. Like, I didn't read any of the comics. [00:48:13] Speaker B: You know, they made up all the other characters in it because the guy didn't want any other time. So there's no, like, oh, at least they did a great job on Lex Luthor or on Doomsday or on another background DC character in here, because Steel was it. He's. He's in a world by himself. [00:48:29] Speaker A: So this is not enough characters that you could have used. There's not enough characters. And, you know, they haven't. There's been 60 years of comic books that you could have pulled them from. [00:48:38] Speaker B: So I'm with you, half star. I agree. And I was the same while I was watching it. Through the end of it, I'm like, do I go one star on this? And for some reason, and I don't know. I just don't, because it's almost like they didn't try. It wasn't so bad that it was good, and it was just bad. It was like the Captain America. It was like the 90. [00:49:01] Speaker A: Yes. [00:49:01] Speaker B: 1991. Captain America was just bad. [00:49:03] Speaker A: Well, I think that also the problem I have is, again, screw this world. Because of Kevin Costner winning the award of Razzie Award winning over skill is. There's not enough crap given to this movie now after watching it, I'm like, this movie's been giving up. [00:49:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:19] Speaker A: Like, people just don't even like, oh, whatever. That movie. That's pretty funny on it. And that leads me to believe that if it wasn't Shaquille O'Neal acting, it would have been crapped on so much more. Because, again, I think the expectation of people being like, well, yeah, of course it's gonna suck. They. They cast he O'Neill as the main character. [00:49:32] Speaker B: It's like, it doesn't have an actual actor playing. [00:49:35] Speaker A: Yes. Like, if they. If it also. A Marvel movie came up with LeBron James. [00:49:38] Speaker B: Right. [00:49:38] Speaker A: LeBron James plays a Marvel character. We would also be like, oh, we didn't expect much. We got LeBron James. But, you know, like, you know, so I can see that. [00:49:45] Speaker B: But Tom Brady plays super pro. [00:49:52] Speaker A: Yeah. To me, I'm like, they didn't. No one gives crap enough to this movie. And so that part of me, that's another reason why I'm like, no, we have to be. We have to be the. The people in the forefront here being like, half star. Screw this movie. This watched it. For you folks, the big question people had on. On letterbox was why wasn't Shaquille O'Neal's steel in the Flash movie? What he was doing the whole thing. That would have been so amazing. [00:50:15] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, why not, right? [00:50:17] Speaker A: Superman? Why don't we have Superman? [00:50:20] Speaker B: Why not bring back Shaq Steel? Yeah. Hell, I would have even taken Deadpool killing him. [00:50:26] Speaker A: Yes. Well, here's the deal. So here's. So here's like, again, another question we have here. [00:50:30] Speaker B: So we just have to pop up in LA and be like, what the hell? [00:50:34] Speaker A: We have Deadpool, Wolverine, that came out this year. And so you have that whole multiversal thing and having all that stuff. If a movie would come out very similar in. In the D.C. world, I think this character would potentially be. I know Flash was the multiverse, but there's more of a serious multiverse with a couple of nods that were in there. Whereas it would be. Because obviously in Marvel, I would have loved to see some of our old Marvel movies appear in this. Have. I mean, some of the guys. People that were in that. That Fantastic Four movie are still alive and kicking and doing things. So like, had these people, Alex Hyde White, who's on the podcast, they could have had him come and be Mr. Fantastic. [00:51:09] Speaker B: Fantastic. [00:51:11] Speaker A: So they obviously can't do everything. It's been a long, long time. But I think Shaquille O'Neal, I think he would have done it. You think he wouldn't have dawned the costume again for. For a second? [00:51:21] Speaker B: I think he probably would have almost like poking fun at himself and in the rest of it. Yeah, he probably would have. [00:51:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:27] Speaker A: We missed an opportunity here, Paul. We missed. [00:51:29] Speaker B: They could have, like. They could have done it better. They could have had a really good Steel costume and the idea that he's been fighting crime in this world the whole time, and they've been doing the costume better and better and then have him take off The Mask and it be Shaquille O'Neal. Andre. [00:51:44] Speaker A: You know, I don't know if this is the lowest, it might be the lowest until we watch that Max Steel movie because it's rated zero on rotten tomatoes. This is an 8% on rotten tomatoes. So I would think that like I mentioned that no one really gives a crap enough. I mean a lot of these reviews were obviously when the movie came out or years ago and so on and so forth. [00:52:01] Speaker B: Borderline shock that it managed to pull 8%. [00:52:03] Speaker A: It's a 3.0 out of 10 on IMDb, which shocks to me. I thought it would be how did. [00:52:09] Speaker B: It manage to pull that kind of high enough? [00:52:11] Speaker A: 8% critics 19 fan. So. So the fans thought it was better, which is usually the case. The fans usually think it's better than the critics are. And you know, yeah, what I think I'm going to start doing is we don't have this list. I was going to start doing this. I have a section on the website for like watch order for Marvel Cinematic Universe and things like that. I think it'd be fun to start one that we put like reviews and we put our ratings and what at the time of the review what the Rotten Tomatoes was and we could have a ranking of like worst rated movies that we've done to the best we fall in it. And obviously things like Batman Returns service. [00:52:49] Speaker B: The capes and tight streaming service that only the movies we watch are on. Like how much Exactly. [00:52:57] Speaker A: What we could do is put links on the website too. So if you say, hey, check the website out. There's a check where all of our reviews are and the links to the episode so you can watch the movie and then review it or watch the. Or listen to our conversation. But also links to where to watch it. So like if it is available on YouTube, I can click that. If it's available on Tubi or whatever it may be all the different places to find it. So I'll work on that because I think it'd be fun to do it to overall over the time of capes and tights to do. And here's the deal. We just did 200th episode here. Maybe we'll get to the 50th episode and we'll do something special for our 50th or 100th movie review or something like that. [00:53:29] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:53:30] Speaker A: So there are some really good movies we've reviewed tmnt, we've reviewed Batman Returns. There are some movies, Dick Tracy that fall into this category of good movies. There is some top Five, but third ones. Then we also have the reference to 8%. Like I mentioned, it could be the lowest. I'm not sure. But again, when we get to Max Steel, it will be the lowest because it's one of the few zero. [00:53:54] Speaker B: I'm like, you get Steel, you get that Cap movie. You get the. The Swamp Thing. [00:53:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:59] Speaker B: Which is funny because Swamp Thing has, like a cult following. Yeah. Watching it, I mean, maybe it's just Clyde Barker fans. I don't know. I feel like this. Those three all sort of felt the same. [00:54:09] Speaker A: Yep. [00:54:10] Speaker B: Like, random superhero that doesn't really belong in any of what's going on. And none of it makes a whole lot of sense. [00:54:16] Speaker A: Okay. So. So I just quickly did this. And again, it could have. Could have been different when we reviewed it, but Captain America from 1990 had a 6%. So it is lower. So this isn't the lowest movie, but it's down. It's down there. And I think this again, half star for this. This was made in 97, so seven years later. [00:54:33] Speaker B: Yeah. I think that should give it a little more like. Like, less we can write off to. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:54:41] Speaker B: Like, this should have been better. This should have been better done than it was. Like, we should have learned by now. [00:54:50] Speaker A: Yep. [00:54:51] Speaker B: And they didn't. [00:54:53] Speaker A: There's not enough credit reviews for Nick. [00:54:55] Speaker B: Fury, agent of SHIELD The Steel costume, just like the first scene of him where he starts stomping out and it's just like RoboCop. [00:55:02] Speaker A: Yep. Like, but that was good. You like RoboCop. You like RoboCop. [00:55:09] Speaker B: RoboCop is much better than this. It's like he's just like RoboCop. He doesn't fly. He doesn't Hell, RoboCop flew in the third movie, which also is terrible. The third RoboCop movie is awful. Folks don't watch it, but RoboCop flew. And yet Steel doesn't. [00:55:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It's. [00:55:28] Speaker B: The cape would have looked better. Put the cape on him. Do something. Oh, my God. [00:55:33] Speaker A: The. The Doctor Strange movie that we watched doesn't have enough user review critic reviews because it wasn't Thing Fantastic Four. [00:55:40] Speaker B: I feel like they did what they could with what they had. [00:55:42] Speaker A: Fantastic Four had 27%, which is the movie. So there's that. And then the Nick Fury, agent of S.H.I.E.L.D also doesn't have enough critic reviews. The Swamp thing movie from 1982 that we watched for. For horror week has a 60%. So that's actually up there. And then the Man Thing movie, watch from zero as a 14%. So this is Still. So. So basically It's Captain America 1990. And then this. As of quick tooling around. [00:56:10] Speaker B: The other FF movie, Fantastic Four comes. [00:56:14] Speaker A: Out in this year. So our goal is to watch. Where am I going here? Daredevil. Why is it not on here? It should be right here. So it looks like we're gonna watch it sometime or for April. [00:56:28] Speaker B: Because it'll be Daredevil, fourth Fantastic Four movie. We're gonna watch that one. [00:56:32] Speaker A: We're gonna watch the two that. The early one. [00:56:35] Speaker B: The early one. Okay. [00:56:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:56:36] Speaker B: Because I would almost be interested to watch. [00:56:39] Speaker A: Well, you should. So here's the other. I think we're gonna talk. So we're gonna talk the. Basically the one with what's her name in it? Jessica Alba. That one. To do the review. But there's gonna be references to the other one. So it's one of those things between now and April. You should probably just watch all of them to make sure you're aware of. [00:56:59] Speaker B: I've never watched that. The newest at this time. FF movie. I just skipped right over it. [00:57:04] Speaker A: So there's Daredevil's next. [00:57:06] Speaker B: Michael B. Jordan played in it. [00:57:08] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. That's the one from 24 to 15. [00:57:10] Speaker B: Never watch that one. [00:57:11] Speaker A: So you have. We have Daredevil next. Okay. That's gonna come out in February. We have Superman, the movie. [00:57:19] Speaker B: I took my wife to that movie in the theaters. Superman I were dating. [00:57:23] Speaker A: Or Daredevil. Superman, you definitely did. But Superman, the movie will be in March. And then I think April will be. Yeah. At the beginning of April will be Fantastic Four. And then from there we'll have to just discuss. So we'll do. We'll do Daredevil, Superman the movie. Because also I think Superman movie is one of those ones that's. It's gonna get a semi positive review, in my opinion. I don't think that's one of those ones you can really. [00:57:48] Speaker B: All over. [00:57:48] Speaker A: We're gonna have some moments of it. But honestly, we talked about in the shop last week actually there. It's actually well made for the time. [00:57:54] Speaker B: It'S made parts of it that probably didn't age as well. Although honestly, it's probably parts of it that age much better than steel. [00:58:00] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. But yeah, so that's our future. So we got Daredevil next. So we got it warmed up for that Daredevil. And then we'll do Superman, the movie. [00:58:11] Speaker B: I once saw Daredevil because it was. It was that whole thing. It was a time when movies like they were starting to get a Little bit of Marvel stuff. There wasn't a lot of superhero things out. [00:58:19] Speaker A: Right. [00:58:19] Speaker B: So I went and saw it and at the time I was all in. I like, I liked it. I thought it was great. I like started reading Daredevil. That's really kicked me off on more Daredevil stuff. So this would be interesting to go back and watch now because I don't think I've watched. I haven't watched in years. So we're interested to go back and, and actually sit down. I think I put it on one day in here. But like, if stuff's on in here, I don't have any kind of pay attention to it. [00:58:45] Speaker A: No. [00:58:45] Speaker B: So that would be. That would be fun. [00:58:48] Speaker A: I guess the other question that becomes. So we're watching all these corny old. [00:58:52] Speaker B: Liz fell asleep in the theater to dare download probably, right? She fell asleep. I. I woke her up and she's like, what happened? Where am I? [00:59:02] Speaker A: So we have this discussion. We'll have to have discussion too, is that we've been talking about old school movies that are really bad and horribly, horribly ranked. But we're going to. With this whole Craven the Hunter, Madame Web, Morbius, a lot of these newer movies that have come out that have failed. [00:59:16] Speaker B: Some of these, hey, the Marvel's tied this movie. [00:59:19] Speaker A: So a lot of these semi new movies. We might have to disperse some of those in there just because of, you know. You know, you know when, when Craven the Hunter is inevitably in on streaming in like two and a half weeks. [00:59:31] Speaker B: I was gonna say 15 minutes after it comes out in theaters. [00:59:33] Speaker A: I mean, it was. Took a couple of. [00:59:35] Speaker B: No tickets sold in theaters. They're like, go put it on streaming right now. [00:59:38] Speaker A: It was less than 30 days for Joker 2 to hit streaming. Less than 30 days. Which is absolutely asinine. [00:59:45] Speaker B: All right, so the preview for Joker 2 came on when we were watching something as a family. [00:59:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:51] Speaker B: And Katie like covers her ears because it looks scary. So she's like. And Emma's watching. And she. And Emma goes, what the hell is this? [00:59:59] Speaker A: Exactly. The movie. No one was asking for the movie. No one was asking for a musical superhero movie. No one was. Or comic book movie. No one was asking for it. Nobody wanted. But yeah. So it's 30 days. So we'll see. This is. We're recording this a little early, so we'll see how. I mean, Craven the Hunter might be in homes by the time this actually hits your streaming. Because what if it's great? [01:00:20] Speaker B: What if everyone like rage about how great it is? [01:00:23] Speaker A: I'll Tell you right now, they did $11 million this weekend as of recording this, so. [01:00:29] Speaker B: Ouch. [01:00:30] Speaker A: Not far ahead of Steel. [01:00:32] Speaker B: Yeah. In the grand scheme of things like time and money now. Yeah. 11 mil. [01:00:39] Speaker A: 1.7 million adjusted for inflation. 2024. Let's see how it goes here. 1.7 million adjusted for Inflation in 2024. Oh, come on. This is not like an easy thing here. Even the AI thing on freaking Google didn't. Didn't have it correctly. [01:01:02] Speaker B: Oh, man. [01:01:03] Speaker A: Okay, so 100. So 1700000 from 1997 to 2024. 1.7 million in 2025. In 97 would be about three and a half million now. So they only. This movie made only how much more money than so bad, Paul. [01:01:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that's rough. [01:01:29] Speaker A: Hey, gotta. I said a 5.5 on IMDb at 15 in rotten tomatoes for. For craving the Hunter. And according to this, it was made for $120 million and it's been brought in 26 million so far. It's gonna lose money. It's gonna lose money. It's gonna lose money. Yeah. [01:01:43] Speaker B: No, I think it'd be fun to watch some of these newer ones. I'd be down for that. Like, yeah, we have done a lot of the old stuff. Like let's do a couple of these fresh releases or things that are like prominent today. [01:01:55] Speaker A: I like, we talked about this before. Eventually we'll watch some more good movies. I think part of this is though, it's like picking apart crappy movies is. Is not easier, but it's more fun than being like, we talked about this for book club. It's like at some point you're like. [01:02:09] Speaker B: Our conversation to the House of M. It was great. It was great. [01:02:11] Speaker A: It was great. Done. Okay. We did that for Beneath the Trees. We kind of did that too. Same thing. It was like, oh, it was great. And then. And then it was over. And so I think having this ability to do this and we'll bring in some guests. So some. Some fans of the podcast, some regulars to the comic book shop Galactic Comics and Collectibles have wanted to do something. So maybe we'll do something around, you know, Superman or even Daredevil. Bring in some people. We can either bring him in remotely like this or we can do a do one at the shop. But we'll. We'll have some fun with this. Yeah, for sure. So, yeah, another review in there, a half star review for. For steel Shaquille O'Neal. And we're recommending. My recommendation is to not watch It. But I think you should watch it because just, just get it out of your way and just check it off. [01:02:53] Speaker B: You know, my fear is, is like we start something, right? It's like having pods in the shop and like in the resurging of pogs. Like what if they're going to re release it? Research deal. [01:03:02] Speaker A: Like they just, they really start getting. [01:03:05] Speaker B: Seen and then Warner Brothers is like, holy shit, we got to bring this back. [01:03:08] Speaker A: They re released Terrifier 3 for, for new Year's Christmas Eve and obviously it's a little money grab there, but also it's a holiday movie so they want to bring around the holidays. You just see all of a sudden I know where like Steel is back in theaters because, you know, resurgence from the capes and tights podcast review of Steel. [01:03:24] Speaker B: No, somebody runs in the office at Warner Brothers. You see how many people have googled the Steel movie from. We got to get this going again. Oh God. [01:03:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:32] Speaker B: So a little bit almost don't watch it. [01:03:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And you can if anybody does want to watch it. It's available for renting on like you're streaming things. YouTube, Apple TV, Amazon prime, all that stuff. It's not available. Oh, I think it's actually on Tubi. It's on Tubi. [01:03:44] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, go watch it on tube. [01:03:46] Speaker A: No, it's just currently unavailable. I lied. It's one of those. When you click on the thing, go. [01:03:50] Speaker B: Into the back of your friend's closet that does comic books. They probably have a copy somewhere and borrow it because don't spend money on this. [01:03:58] Speaker A: That's what you got to start doing, Paul. Renting movies from your shop of these shitty old movies that no one can get anywhere else where you can just go in and get a VHS tape or a thing for. For three or four dollars and rent. [01:04:09] Speaker B: The Galactic Comic logo redone in the front row video ones era. And then we have them on there going in here and just running the really shitty movie. [01:04:17] Speaker A: I've got the capes and tights blockbuster sticker. So we could just start doing those on there. [01:04:21] Speaker B: Those on them. Yeah. [01:04:22] Speaker A: That's amazing. Yeah. Hopefully we don't get in trouble for that. But yeah, we'll have links at some point. I don't know when that will be up, but maybe by the time this airs we'll have links on the website, but another one in the books, Paul. Yep. [01:04:33] Speaker B: We, we survived Steel. [01:04:35] Speaker A: Yep. Next up is Daredevil people. Let's do it. Right. Yeah, I'm ready for it. [01:04:41] Speaker B: I'm down. Yeah, I, I think I think I will be pleasantly surprised by how much I dislike Daredevil. Let's go with that. Does that make sense? [01:04:48] Speaker A: Yes, we'll do it. [01:04:50] Speaker B: At the time, I was like, oh, that was a great movie. Yeah, I'm guessing that probably is not gonna stand true. [01:04:56] Speaker A: Hey, back up. [01:04:57] Speaker B: I'm gonna love it. Like, I did Batman. Like, I was like, oh, Batman Returns is great. And we watch him. Like, batman Returns is great. Yeah. I'm. You know, I'm gonna say this is probably not gonna be a high star. [01:05:08] Speaker A: Hey, maybe we should do Daredevil. Daredevil. Book for a book club in March. [01:05:12] Speaker B: Ooh, Chip Sadarsky. [01:05:14] Speaker A: Daredevil, it's called. The new TV show comes out then, so maybe that's a word. [01:05:18] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Or we can do the Jephalm sale if you can find Daredevil Yellow. I don't know if that's in print. [01:05:23] Speaker A: Or not, but Kevin Smith, Daredevil. [01:05:26] Speaker B: Oh, Kevin Smith's Daredevil. Yeah. [01:05:28] Speaker A: But, yeah, it's another episode in the books, and we're gonna do it again. So thanks, everybody. Thanks, Paul. I'll be in this week. Maybe we'll get comics. Maybe I won't. I don't know. We'll see. [01:05:36] Speaker B: Not looking good so far. [01:05:39] Speaker A: Thanks, Paul. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Thanks.