Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesotites.com, i'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. This episode is once again brought to you by our friends over at Galactic Comics and Collectibles. At galactic comics and collectibles.com we welcome Bram Stoker and British Fantasy Award nominated author of such books, A Child Alone With Strangers, Gothic Boys in the valley, D7, the third rule of time Travel, and the upcoming Autumn Springs Nursing Home, Sorry, Retirement Home Massacre.
Philip Frakasse to the podcast today to discuss these books and so much more. We even discussed at the very end with a little thing you didn't really maybe know about, Philip Verkasi there. So make sure you listen. But before you do, check out Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, bluesky, threads, all those places, you know, give us a follow, like whatever you want to do. Also, subscribe, rate, review all those stuff over on Spotify, Apple, or anywhere you find your podcast. You can also find us on YouTube as well. As always, you can go to Capesandtights.com for so much more. This is Philip Frikassi, author of the Autumn Springs Retirement Home massacre, coming out September 30th from to our Nightfire. Enjoy, everyone.
Welcome to the podcast. Philip, how are you today?
[00:01:21] Speaker B: I'm good, I'm good. Thank you, man. Thanks for having me.
[00:01:24] Speaker A: Absolutely. I'm glad you were able to make it and chat here. I mentioned before, I guess this is a new episode, first episode of the new studio. So hoping that we can get it done. To me I was like, maybe I was gonna have to call you and tell you, hey, man, we can't do this. But no, we were able to set it up and get it ready to go and we're already here to talk. So this is pretty cool to do this. But yeah. So welcome.
Let's talk about how you got into writing. So now don't go all the way back to when you first wrote your first word, but what did you really know that you really wanted to be an author? That's what you wanted to do. Was there a certain time, was there like a moment or was it just like, I guess this is what I'm doing now?
[00:02:00] Speaker B: Well, you know, I don't want to go too far back like you said, but I will say that moment did come early for me.
It came when I was like, I was in. It was in fifth grade and art, and we had. Our teacher had given us a creative writing assignment and we were, you know, whatever we were supposed to write Whatever. We wanted a story. And I wrote this, like, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle pastiche, you know, And I think I changed the names because I didn't want to be sued. And.
But. And I. And I. And I. And I remember vividly, you know, reading that story to my class and people laughing and clapping at the end, and I was like, this is awesome. This is what I want to do. And then it was, you know, when I got a little bit older, like junior high, I started seriously, right? I mean, I was writing from that moment on. I was writing stories. I was writing stories crazy, funny, silly kid, you know, stories that kids write. But I was writing stories and stories and stories.
And when I got to. When I was in, like, seventh grade, I kind of got a little more serious about it, and I started. It was when I really got into Stephen King and all that stuff.
And.
And I. And I. And I. That's when I was like, I want to do this for, like, a living. I wanted this to be my career. And I remember writing.
I wrote a story called the Forest, and it was, you know, it was like 100 pages. And it was about this monster dog that lived in the forest by this suburban cul de sac. And these kids had to like, kill the dog and this monsters beast.
But, yeah, so that was. From that point on, I was. I was hooked.
That's.
[00:03:47] Speaker A: That's. It seems like it's one of those things. Either people are like, I just started, or it's been going for a long time.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: No. Lifelong dream. Lifelong dream, yeah.
[00:03:56] Speaker A: That's. That's awesome. It's one of those things that I always said to myself, I'd love to be able to write a book, but I feel like I just. There's certain people who can do certain things. And not saying that I'll never write a book, but it's one of those things that I'll just leave it to the people who are really good at it and I'll read those books and that's about it. I'll talk to those people. I'll let you do that, and I'll do this, and we'll leave it at that. But, yeah, it's always one of those things that I'm like, oh, that'd be kind of cool to do. But I never really grasped on. I mean, I didn't read well until I was like, in high school. So it was like one of those. I had to take reading classes, and so I got late reading in my life, let alone writing.
[00:04:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I was always a big reader. I It just. Yeah, it was just something I grabbed. It's just. I think it's whatever that part of your brain is that you just want to.
It's like, you. You know, I can't learn foreign languages. I can't play musical instruments. You know what I mean? But. But. But I. But I'm.
I gravitate. Gravitated right away toward reading and writing, and it's my lifelong passion. And so, yeah, so I'm very fortunate that at least, as of recently, I'm able to do it for a living. You know, it's. It's a real blessing, for sure.
[00:05:01] Speaker A: That's awesome. Yes. My entire family. I have two brothers, and my parents are all musically inclined, and I never really was. I could. I play the drums a little bit, like, just enough to be. But I never really could do it. And I was like, oh, I'll just manage bands then. So, like, I managed bands for a little while. I was always okay. I was okay at sports, but I was like, I can't do this very well. So then ended up managing the soccer team or. Or writing about sports before I got into doing this pop culture and stuff like that. So it was kind of funny. I'm like, I wanted to be part of these things, but I really can't believe that, like I said, leave this stuff that you're good at to someone else and then find your place and find your attachment to it. And that's where I got into this, is like, I have attachment to the. You know, to novels and to the story being told and such, and so I can talk this way. And this. I leave that to you. We'll make you have that one. But. Yeah, but. Yeah. So you floor slipping here. You have, you know, plenty of books now under your belt. You have a new one coming up. You have a couple that just came out.
Are these all stories that you've been working on for a while, and then you just find the place where their homes are and things like that? Meaning I'm talking a little bit. So you had the novella D7, that came out recently over at Shortwave Publishing. You had the Third Rule of Time Travel that came out recently. And then you have the upcoming the Autumn Springs Retirement Home Massacre. I mean, these three stories are ones that you've been working on for a while, and they just finally hit the market, or is it something that came up more recently?
[00:06:25] Speaker B: No, I wrote D7 earlier this year, and it just so happened that right around the time I was finishing it.
Alan Latowska.
[00:06:39] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: Butchering his name at Short Wave is a great guy, great publisher. Just kind of reached out and he was like, do you have anything? A big fan kind of thing. And, And I said, no, I just finished this, the story. It's about 10,000 words, you know, if you're interested. And so that was. No, that's a new. That's something I just wrote Autumn Springs Retirement Home Massacre. I wrote.
I wrote last year, came up with the idea in late 2023 when I was touring for Boys in the Valley.
So that's, that's a, That's a new idea that I just wrote.
So last third rule of time travel, actually contrasting with those two.
I had written that originally. Well, I never really. Actually, I wrote a screenplay based on the concept a few years ago, and, and, and then nothing came of it, and I kind of moved on to doing other things. And then I think it was around 2022, give or take. A couple of years ago, I was kind of. I just finished a book, and I was, like, trying to figure out what I wanted to do next, and I remembered that I'd written that screenplay, and I kind of broke it back out and I looked at it again and, and I was like, well, it's science fiction, which would be a different thing. But I was kind of like, I've written, I've written at that point. I've been reading, I've been writing.
I've been publishing horror since 2014, so it'd been like a stretch. And I just written Childhood Strangers. Gothic Boys in the Valley.
[00:08:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:14] Speaker B: And so I was kind of like, I want. I may, May. I'll just do something different on this next one. So. Yeah, so I wrote, I wrote it as a novel. So the idea is. That idea has been around for a while, but I just wrote the book a couple years ago. So, no, all this stuff, I'm writing pretty much as it's coming out. Yeah, I didn't.
No, it just, like, sort of happened this way. I mean, I, I, I wrote.
I wrote. Boys in the Valley was another one where there was another story where I'd written the screenplay because I was, you know, I was a working screenwriter for a while back around the 2010, give or take, and, and so I had these ideas that I'd written that were never made or would have never produced. And so rather than just throw the baby out with the bathwater, I repurpose them.
Boys in the Valley specifically, and Third World Time Travel specifically. Those two were screenplays that I. That I adapted into novels. But. Yeah, but Everything else I'm pretty much writing as is. I have.
I have Gothic is being reissued in November and Childhood Strangers is coming out paperback this October and obviously Autumn Springs is coming out in September.
And the next year I have a.
Another novel called Seraphina that's coming out that I wrote last.
Last year as well. And then.
And then right now I'm writing Gothic 2, which is coming out at the end of next year. So. So yeah, no, all this stuff is. I'm kind of writing full time. Yeah, it's pretty. It's all current. Nothing. The only.
No, no, you know, no, no trunk novels.
Everything is.
Everything is. Everything is current. Yeah.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: Yeah. That's awesome to hear. I mean, I love that. I love the. It's one of those things that if you can get the idea and it's fresh in your mind too, it's nice that you can get it on paper and start putting it out there. There are some stories that are great that people have like percolated over the years and so on and so forth, but I also feel like if you really like a story, you know, the Autumn Springs Nursing Home Massacre is a unique spin on slasher Final Girl. You know, if you had sat on that for years, it's possibly. It could be completely different book. And not even in a positive way. Not like, oh, I was able to fine tune that book. Sometimes it ends up turning into something completely different because you, you rethink and you think twice about maybe the direction you're going in that book. So sometimes it is nice to just get it on paper, out.
And so your story that you original story is actually. Was actually hitting shelves. Not the original story, but you know what I mean?
[00:10:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's.
Yeah. I think there's an element where you want a story to gestate a little bit, but for the most part, when I have an idea and it excites me, I just want to write it.
And.
And yeah, and I don't. I don't.
I think. I think there's. There's two kind of way. Like Boys in the Valley is an example of a story, of a story that I've been living with for quite a while.
So when I wrote the novel, it was just like a sneeze, you know, I just. I wrote that novel in four weeks. I wrote because I had. I had.
I knew that story inside and out. I knew the characters inside and out. I had.
So it was very liberating almost to write it as a novel because I could finally. I Feel like it kind of reached the form it was originally supposed to be in that story, to tell that story properly. And whereas Autumn Springs, you know, like I said, was just like this idea. I mean, it went from, you know, my wife and I were in Virginia touring for Boys in the Valley, like I said, and we were staying at this kind of like mountaintop hotel and where they had these old brick buildings and this kind of. It was beautiful, surrounded by green, green rolling hills, like it was very Virginia.
And.
And we're just walking around one night and I said, this place seems more like a retirement home than a hotel.
And then by the time then we got back to our room and I was jotting notes. And then the next morning I, I got up, I couldn't sleep. I was thinking all night I was thinking about this idea and I got up the next morning and I knocked out two paragraphs, called it the Ottoman Springs Retirement on massacre, wrote a two paragraph synopsis, sent, emailed it to my agent, who immediately emailed me back and said, I love the idea. And then like a few days later I was in New York City again, touring, continuing the tour, and my, my editor at Nightfire was there at my event and we went to a bar before the event, had a beer or whatever, and, and I said, hey, I've got this idea. And I just kind of pitched her the idea over the, in the bar and she's like, I love it, let's do it. And so that was Autumn Springs. And to your point, originally that story was supposed to be, at least in my head, it was going to be a little more darkly comic.
[00:13:15] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: It still has some of that in there. There's still some, some funny. You've read it, right?
[00:13:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:21] Speaker B: You know, and.
But between me pitching it to my editor and me turning that book in, both of my parents passed away and over, over difficult circumstances and in one case my dad had dementia and I had to take care of him for a couple months. And then my mother passed away shortly thereafter. And so it kind of, to your point, the book, as I was writing the book, it became very different. It became much more personal. And I wanted to really, and I think a much better book before it because I really wanted to, I really wanted to get into some themes, some heavier themes about aging and about how we treat the elderly and also because I'd had these conversations with my parents while they were going through a very difficult period at the end of their lives, you know, how they think about dying and what, and how they think about being Sick and how they think about care and, and. And how that affects the. Their families and their kids. And, and it was just, it was just. There's a lot to unpack. And so I, I kind of used it as a cathartic experience when writing the novel to kind of unpack a lot of that psychological trauma and emotional kind of baggage that I was dealing with at that time.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: I mean, the book itself, I mean, I have right here to the advanced copy. The book itself has that mixture of, you know, serious moments and that. Some dark, dark comedy and things like that, which I think the balance is great. I mean, like Scream for an example, as a slasher, iconic slasher film is like making fun of itself in the sense the whole time. Right? Like it's, that's the whole idea. But I think it's a little bit of that here. But there's also a little bit of more seriousness. You mentioned the real life horrors. You know how sometimes we treat the elderly. Your elderly get treated by a certain, certain people.
Nursing home lives and all that stuff. There's a bunch of stuff in there that, that, that makes it for a different than what I thought it might be, which in a good way. Like, in a way that I was like, this is gonna be slapstick almost the whole time. Like in my mind I went to read it, I'm like, oh, this is gonna be like one of those, like jokes here and jokes there. And it's just gonna be like the name of it. I mean, it's a nursing home massacre. It's not like something that you typically see on the shelf and you want to, you know, want to pick up. So I think that alone, I think it's one of those things that is a brewery in my town, my area right here, called Gagan's Brothers Brewing Company, who has a beer called Smiling Irish Bastard. And it was a guy's nickname, a guy's name, people, all that Smiling Irish Bastard over there. He was a police officer in the area. And so it's a name, it means something. But I think they sell a lot of beer because of the name. Like, sure, I think, I think it's one of those things like, oh, I want to order one of those off the menu because I get to say bastard to the waitress. And I'm not like upsetting someone or something. But the name of this book is gonna, Is gonna make people go, I gotta find out what the hell's going on in this book just for the name. And I think that's huge to this book. I Think.
[00:16:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I was. I was. Yeah, it's one of those names where it just, like I said, it's popped into my head, you know, the morning after I originally conceived of the idea. And it's. And it stayed that way throughout the process. And I think, I think it brings a lot of energy, you know, as a title. And it's. And it's. And it's, you know, and it's deadly accurate, too. But, yeah, another thing about the, the humor and, you know, I, you know, a lot of also, and this is less to do with my personal circumstances, but the other thing I realized when I was writing the book is that a lot of the things that I thought would be funny were. Were super not funny. You know what I mean? And, like, I had in my head when I was outlining the book, I was like, oh, and then I'm gonna have, like, this happen and I'm going to have this series now, this chapter where I won't spoil anything but where, you know, some of the residents are reaching out to their families. And I'm like thinking, oh, that's going to be. I'm going to. It's going to be funny. I'm going to. I'm going to drop some. Some dimes in there and it's going to be. People are going to chuckle. And when I was writing it, I was like, bordering, like, in tears. I was like, this is the most horrible thing, you know, and.
Yeah, so. So I think a lot of it also just.
And that's part of the process of writing anything. Is one thing about me as a writer is I'm very.
I'm very big on tone. So what I mean by that is before I even start a project, before I start writing a story or a book, I want to know what's the tone of this story?
Because I write my books very differently. Gothic is written very differently than Boys in the Valley, which is written very different than Third World time travel, which is written very differently from us childhood strangers.
Seraphina, which is coming out next year, is. Is much more paced than probably anything I've written because I. Because it's more atmospheric, right? Whereas time travel is more of a thriller where, you know, that sort of thing. But so, but tone is important when I'm writing, when I'm sitting down to write something, because I'm like, okay, is this darkly comic? Is it.
Is it action? Is it. Is it a thriller? Is it. Is it dark horror? Is it. You know, and so that. And so I think this is an example of A book where the tone definitely shifted during the writing of it. And that's. I. That. I think that's the only time that's really happened to me where I started a book thinking it was going to be one thing and end up being something completely different. I think that has a lot to do with the circumstances that I mentioned, my personal circumstances, but I think also just became.
I think the story kind of evolved on me a little bit and I started. I found myself.
And also I think I fell really hard for my main character, Rose. And sometimes when characters take on a real vibrancy, when they take on a real depth, it can affect me as the writer too, because now all of a sudden, they're sort of affecting. I'm seeing the world through their eyes a lot more than I anticipated. And all of a sudden I'm seeing things a little bit differently than maybe Philip Fricassi would see.
So. So, yeah, so that was an interesting part of the process as well.
[00:19:21] Speaker A: Well, I think it's also. I mean, as a huge horror fan myself, I. I'm probably biased in this, this talk, this, this comment, but I feel like it's one of the great things about horror. I feel like if you set out to write a comedy and comedic book and you decided to change things up, make it more serious and things like that, I think at that moment the publisher would have been like, this is not what we signed up for. But, like, with the horror, I feel like horror can be so much, so many things. It can be comedic, it can be dark, it can be serious. It could be all these things and still have that horror vibe and that slasher vibe in this book. I think that's. That's what this. You're not lucky, but you're lucky that it is a horror book. Because if it did, if you did set out to draw, you write a completely slapstick comedy novel and then you went through this stuff in your life, you might have a shelved this book and then like, yes, it's not the time for this book right now. I have to figure out something else. But you were able to kind of like, you know, mold it and do what you want with it because of your life circumstances and make it into what it is now. I think that's the horror genre for you.
[00:20:17] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I think to your point, I even had. I reached out to my editor at one point during the writing process and I said, look, just so you know, you know, the tone on this book is.
Is changing. And she was like, that's Fine. She wasn't worried about it and she knew why. So I think that was part of it too.
But, but yeah, no, you're 100% right. And it's, it's interesting because I think when you say, what you say about Horus is 100% true. And I think about my novel Gothic and you know, which, which I purposely, you mentioned Scream. I purposely wanted Gothic to be a straight down the middle horror novel, but also like an homage.
[00:20:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:59] Speaker B: To the horror novel. And it's also like, it's very, it's, it's a, it's a little bit meta, much like screen. And, and that was another novel that I thought was going to be really fun. Like in my head I was like, oh, this is going to be like a Sam Raimi Evil Dead kind of, kind of tone. And I think I thought that right up until the time I put it out. And then people were like, dude, this is a really messed up book and it's super, super dark. And I was like, oh, so you didn't think it was like funny? And they're like, no, it was like super dark. And, and, and, and you know, but I, I also, I also think of Boys in the Valley as like a sweet coming of age story and apparently it's got a ton of like, apparently people see it as a, like this much more horrific.
But yeah, so, so it's funny that what I necessarily think a book is or a way I approach it is not necessarily how it's received, which is, which is fine. I mean, it's, it's subjective and it's art and it's just people. I think also, you know, when you read something, it's a lot of it has to do with where you are at as a reader in your life, what your situation is.
Is it something that it's affecting you a certain way? Maybe more because of what you're dealing with on a personal level. So I think it's such a wonderful, the whole reading and writing art form is such, is such a special gift that we have as humans because I think it allows empathy to seep through from one person to another and almost as telepathic fashion of fiction and as a vehicle. And it can be, you know, it's really, it's really interesting to me how different people react to different books. And even as, even if you read a book at one part of your life and then reread that same book 20 years later, how much, how different that book hits you and how, how different it, it feels and so it's really fascinating to me.
[00:22:53] Speaker A: I saw, I think I saw on it might have been good read. Somewhere out there there was someone who did a review and said that they can't wait to. This movie, this book is made into a movie many years from now. And Jamie Lee Curtis is played by. Plays Rose in this movie. Just as like a whole like, you know, you know, circle thing there. And I was like, that's actually kind of funny. It would be a weird like thing. The problem with that is though, I feel like if you would go to watch it, you wouldn't be able to take it as serious as you would hope that you take the movie serious because, you know, you're not picturing, you know. But I do now after someone said that now, now I can picture Rose is that face is my face. I can only picture an older version of Jamie Lee Curtis as Rose now. And now I'm. Now can't get that in my head.
[00:23:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I could. I mean, she's a wonderful actress. I could see her. I could see her pulling it off. I mean. But yeah, it's.
Yeah, it's, you know, yeah, it would be, it would be cool.
There is some movement on that side of things. So hopefully, hopefully it comes to fruition that, that one day we can see this, this story as a, as a movie or TV series. I am, yeah, I've had a couple stories now, you know, that have been adapted or in the process of being adapted. So it's, it's kind of fun to go into that arena and to see things that I've created sort of reimagined for a different medium.
This is definitely a story I could see making that late.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: I just had a conversation. Adam Caesar is caught in the cornfield. Obviously movie is in theaters right now. Just had a conversation with him a couple podcasts ago about getting your work adapted and so on and so forth. And now and then I've had a conversation with Jay Bon in Singa how he got a killer's game, took 30 years from the first option to when it actually hit screen. It was a 30 year journey. So there's this gap between how quickly some things go and stuff like that. So I'm always like, oh yeah, I love a story. Like, I do love this story. And the reason why I want more of the Autumn Springs Nursing Home massacre is not just because I want your film to be adapt or your book to be adapted. It's because I like the book. So why not see the next thing? Like we're always, oh, sequels or you reread something or rewatch something. I'm like, I want more of that story. So if it's a different iteration of the same story, that that'd be great. I mean, I just. I. Literally, Christopher golden was just up in my area.
We did a beer. My work for a brewery. We had a beer with. For. For the Nightbirds. And so he came up and had a discussion, and he was talking about he's writing this, the screenplay for the Last House of Last Resort. And he was saying he was changing some things in it, and he's the one writing the screenplay. And so I was like, oh, that's interesting. So, you know, you have. It's for a different medium, sometimes need those tweaks.
And so you have just mentioned twice that you've done or probably did it more than twice. But like, you just mentioned now that a couple of your books were originally screenplays, and now they're books getting, say, time travel, for example. If you were to put that back into screenplay form, would that old screenplay be thrown away and started new now because it's based off of a book, is that how that would work? Yeah.
[00:25:53] Speaker B: Well, yes. The short answer is yes. I mean, I.
It's. I, you know, it's.
It's pretty ironic because I've had those. I've had. I've had a lot more success getting my books and stories adapted into movies than I ever did having my screenplays actually made into movies. So I much prefer doing it this way because that way I can write it the way I want to write it, and then I can let some poor schmuck try and figure out what all the executives want the screenplay to look like.
But, yeah, I've also adapted.
Yeah, so I've adapted my. I. I did write the screenplay for one of my short stories called Death, My Old Friend.
And then the producer and the director who optioned it hired me to write the screenplay. And it was. To your point, what was interesting about with Christopher golden is they hired me to write the screenplay and I wrote the screenplay, and then they kind of. And then I did a second draft and.
And the director just kind of said, like, you know, I think I want to do something really different.
You know, I want to kind of get away from this whatever this perspective.
And can we do that? You know, can you kind of throw a bunch of notes and ideas? I mean, I said. And I actually said. I said, you know, I wrote the original story, so this is my perspective of this story. And it's really hard, you know, it's one thing because I, it's one thing, like with Christopher saying, like changing elements, like, I definitely, like, I expanded, like Death, My Old Friend is a very, very short story that I expanded into a two hour movie. So I added a lot of stuff or whatever. But the, but the, but the vibe or, you know, the, the base, the base idea of what I had written was, was what I wrote in screenplay. And, and I said, if you want. I said if you run, if you want something dramatically different than what I'm writing, that you need to hire somebody else because I can't. I can only give you my version of this story because I wrote the story, you know, and that happens a lot in screenwriting too. Is.
Which is why you see so many different screenwriters thrown at a project on one hand. A lot of it is, they're accumulating ideas like, oh, this guy had a good idea, we'll steal that. This guy had a good idea, we'll steal that and we'll put it all in as one thing.
[00:28:07] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:07] Speaker B: But sometimes, but sometimes it's also like we just need it fresh. Yeah. Take on this idea, on this, on this chore. Yeah. So I still write screenplays. I've written a couple based on my own. I wrote another one called the COVID which is based on my story Mandala, but for like Fail Safe and Alter. Yeah, those are movies that are being. Yeah. Re. Rewritten by other screenwriters and directed by, you know, other directors. And, and it's been fun to be part of that process as. But, but I'm also very interested to see, you know, because I've worked very closely with both, you know, all the writers who have written those, both Alter and Fail Safe. And, and they've, you know, asked me, you know, given me the screenplays and asked for feedback or notes or whatever. And, and, and for me, I just love seeing somebody else's take on.
[00:29:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: The, on the original idea. And I'm just happy if like, you know, some of what I originally wrote is retained, but I'm also very. Just as excited to see a completely different approach. And I think for me, creativity is, that's what all creativity is all about for me. It's like, if I'm inspiring you to do something unique and interesting, then that's, that's, for me, that's as exciting as if you were to take my book word for word.
So it's a fun part of the process, but I much prefer writing the books and stories and then handing it off to somebody with a big God bless kind of thing. Because screenwriting stuff, screenwriting is tough.
[00:29:46] Speaker A: Yeah, I can imagine.
I deal with books. We do comics, movies, tv, all that stuff here. And so we've had discussions multiple times about people who are very upset about how an adaptation goes or how it looks on the screen or how they change the, this person from male to a female.
To me, I've always been like, I'd be, I'd be bored if I went to read to watch the third row of time travel and I watched this, my book down in front of me. And then like, yep, okay, they're saying that word from the book and they're saying, you know, I will say I never had read Harry Potter until the past 12 months. I read all of them. And the first couple of books are basically, there's like full paragraphs that are spoken on screen.
And so the last book where it's like, there's like a touch from the book come out of the book into the movie. And so there's this thing where I'm like, I want the new iteration of something. I want this like, oh, I did create this person who came from Boston, Massachusetts, but really it makes more sense for them to be from Chicago or whatever. You know, like, there's these things that are small that you can do. And I do think that, you know, having someone else do it, but also having yourself do it too, I'd be like, oh, I could change that up. That makes sense. After I wrote the book, got that out there, didn't like how it played, now I'm going to do it this way. And so there is that side of things. I'd rather see a slightly different, not the, not big time, you know, I don't want like an entirely different plot, but I think this slight changes make.
[00:31:06] Speaker B: Me go like a lawn. Like the lawnmower man. Yes.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: Very good example right there. Well, I mean, example, thinking comic book side. Back in the 90s or 70s, whatever, there's a Captain America movie. Captain America was a lawyer. And it was like, okay, that's like a completely different character. It was like they didn't want to go to the military road route at all and they made Captain America a lawyer in the movie. I'm like, that is. That pulls away so much from the actual original story. But if you made Captain America a little bit taller or brown haired instead of blonde, like, whatever. But like, yeah, you completely have a different profession. It's one of those weird things that didn't really work. And so, yeah, I could see, you know, Vaughn Morriman's a great example.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: And sometimes with movies, too, is you have to make changes because it's just now you're dealing with real life.
[00:31:50] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:31:50] Speaker B: But, you know, issues. You're dealing with locations and you're dealing with special effects and you're dealing with all that kind of stuff. So, you know, sometimes you can't do all the stuff you do in a book where there is no budget. There is no budget on a novel, but there is a budget on a screenplay, Right.
[00:32:02] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:03] Speaker B: So. So sometimes it has to do. A lot. Has a lot to do with that as well. But.
But, yeah, it's interesting. But. Yeah, I don't think I.
For the most part, where I, you know, where I. There are some stories where I think I would like to.
Where I'd probably be a little more precious about the story and maybe. And wanting to be more involved or wanting to maybe even, you know, have a. Try and try and write this. The screenplay, you know, especially, like, you know, if my. The novels. If any of the novels got adapted. I mean, Autumn Springs, you know, has been optioned in that. Yeah, that. That's. That's gonna. That's. I'm not gonna really be involved with the. With too much with the writing of that. But. But I would love to see, like, if Child and Always Strangers were to get adapted, if Boys in the Valley were to get adapted, I could see writing those screenplays or at least, you know, throwing my hat in the ring because I know those stories so intimately.
And I know how I'm a very visual writer because I said I was a screenwriter, I had some movies produced. And so I. I have a very good sense of how it would work on film.
But again, sometimes it's all case by case, you know, when you're doing. When you're working in this field, you never know how involved you're going to be, how much the filmmakers are going to want you involved or the creators are going to want you involved. And sometimes you're just like. You don't, you know, sometimes you're completely in the dark, and sometimes you're, you know, on the phone with a screenwriter every other week. So it depends. But. But for the most part, to answer your initial question, I'm pretty happy just, like, letting people do what they want to do.
[00:33:43] Speaker A: Do it. Yeah. And take over. That makes sense. Like I said, you found an initial. I tell you right now, I mean, if I mention your name to someone who's a. Who's in a. Who's into reading in horror novels, or a genre in general. They're like, oh, yeah. I mean, I'm a big fan, and I am, too. I've been a fan. And that was one of those weird things. I'm like, a fan. I become a fan of the genre. I'm a fan of something, like a fan of comic books or, you know, a fan of horror or whatever. And I like to watch reading, listen to things that are in that genre. But I also become fans of authors themselves. And so I read most of what's going on. Daniel Kraus, you know, one of my favorite authors. He's written such a wide variety and range of books, but they all have, like, if they feel like a Daniel Cross novel.
And that's what I felt like with reading D7. Then I read third rule of time Travel and then Autumn Springs. It's like, third rule of Time travel was, like, completely different. But the best part was, is that my wife doesn't like horror.
But I was like, I really like this author. So read this book. I gave her that book. I was like, there's no way she's reading. She's reading this or D7, I tell you that right now. But she was able to read and really liked the third roll of Time Travel. And I. I think that was great. I think it's one of those things you can branch up. Do you have people that, like, were mad that it wasn't a horror book? Or is it, like. Do you think that the. The, you know, people who just didn't want to read it just don't read it because it's not horror? Is that how that works?
[00:35:03] Speaker B: I mean, no, there's been some back. There's been. I want to. I want to call it backlash. There's been some negativity. Yeah. From people who are big fans of, like, childhood strangers, Gothic boys in the Valley.
And I think a lot of people feel. I shouldn't say a lot of people. There have been people who have come back at me with. Regarding time travel and even Autumn Springs.
[00:35:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:27] Speaker B: Who have said, like, oh, he's going soft, or, oh, he's going mainstream.
And.
And I'm like, I just write what I want to write. And I mean, I've written. I wrote a children's book called Boy with the Blue Rose Heart. I wrote a book of poetry. Like, I've written. I wrote a book called don't let them get you down, which is. Which is not genre fiction at all. It's about depression and anxiety. And so. And it's all under my name, like, When I wrote that science fiction book, you know, Orbit, the publisher was kind of like, we, we think we know we should probably come up with a pseudonym or at least an alternate use of your name, like my middle initial or something to differentiate it. And that's more for booksellers. So they know. Yeah, but I was kind of, and I was okay with like if they wanted to add like my middle niche or something. But I said but it's my book, I want my name on it. And, and yes, I do run into some confusion with readers.
Like I have a YA novel right now that's being shot and my agent and I were like, do I, do I change my name for the YA novel? Because I don't want 15 year old kids to be like, oh my God, I love this author so much, I'm gonna go read Gothic and then be scarred for life. Yes, so, or maybe I do want that. But, but like, like I'm sure you and I were.
But like welcome to the club. But, but so yeah, so it's interesting that whole thing. But, but to Daniel Cross is a great example where he's so varied and I think his creativity is a little bit like mine in that we are, we kind of write what we want to write and what excites us at that, at that moment, in that moment. We talked about that a little earlier and, and for me it's all about what energizes me and, and you know what's exciting for me to write about like my next two. My next book is definitely horror, which is going to be a sequel to gothic called Gothic the End.
And for the folks listening to this, it's. That first book is out of print until November because I switched, I switched publishers.
So. But then Gothic 2 and that's definitely horror or horror lovers. Horror we'll call it.
And then after that I know, I don't really know what I'm going to write next. You know, I'm kind of, I have some, definitely some ideas that are very much in line with the horror stuff that I have written. I also have a thriller that I'm interested to write and I have a non, a non genre book that I'm curious maybe get into. So, so yeah, so I try not to, I try not to worry about that stuff. That said, I do, I don't necessarily, I don't want to say I've done myself a disservice, but I definitely have.
I think readers would prefer, I think a lot of readers would prefer their authors be consistent with like a Riley Sager. I always know what I'm getting with the Riley Sager. But you always know what you're getting with the Freedom McFadden book. You're always. Whatever. I'm just not built that way. And I just want to. I'm more interested in kind of exploring different things. And I like. I like writings, I like writing books and stories in different styles. I like writing pulpy stories, I like writing sci fi stories. I like writing, you know, noir. I like writing contemporary stuff. So. And I like changing the way I write different things to express, to kind of fit the tone of the story, to fit the pacing of the story. So all that stuff excites me as a writer. So I don't ever want to just be churning out the same stuff over and over and over again. But I do think that has made.
I do think that has complicated my career.
I think. I mean, to be honest, it's probably negatively affected my career because publishers aren't. Don't really know what they're going to get from me. And.
And so I think. I do think so. Yeah. So whatever. But it's just, you know, it is what it is.
[00:39:19] Speaker A: I can see if someone was upset that you come up with a book every two years. So. So between someone who's a big fan of yours, you know, two years ago you came with a book that is this, then it's time travel and then it's two years. So you're four years in between a book that you really want to read from, from you that's in the genre that they want or the style they want. But I mean, for people who wanted a little D7 that came out right around the same time, and then you have, you know, autumn springs coming out in the fall. So it's like this book is just. It's not like you did. You were just stagnant for a while. This is like you had books that are coming. So it's like you just wait. There's a bunch of stuff out there now from a bunch of great authors. So like in the horror genre right now, so just grab something else that if you didn't want to read that, then don't read it. Like, it's not like no one's forcing you to. Or if you're a completionist like some people, then you just need to buy everything that says Philip for Grassi on it, then do that too. But I'm just saying, like, I love.
[00:40:04] Speaker B: Those people, you know?
[00:40:05] Speaker A: You know, I would be more upset if I fell in love with your Your writing from, from reading the Third World Time Trial, because I went to a bookstore and grabbed that and then I'm like, oh, what's this next book coming out that sci fi.
[00:40:16] Speaker B: Sci fi fans might be disappointed because I probably could have write another sci fi novel for a while, although Orbit would love one. But I, I, you know, that was kind of like that. You know, sci fi for me is it was, was definitely a departure. And, and so what I mean by I don't have like a ton of sci fi ideas in my head. I don't read a ton of sci fi. I do read sci fi, but I don't read a ton of stuff. So it's not like I'm always thinking about science. I'm more, I'm always thinking about horror and, and fun horror ideas because I love the, I love the sandbox that is the horror genre.
That's it. I, like I mentioned. I also, I do like thrillers. I read a lot of thrillers and I like the idea of writing.
I like the idea of writing maybe like some dark thrillers with some supernatural elements maybe. And, and that's kind of what my books are anyway, to a degree. I mean, it's, they have that kind of thriller pacing to them. At least some of them do.
You know, I would argue that, that Boys in the Valley is kind of a thriller, even though it's got a lot of horror to it.
But yeah, so it's, yeah, it's, it's interesting and I get to your point. I, I've been putting out about two books a year.
[00:41:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:23] Speaker B: Since 2020, give or take. So yeah, there's a lot there. And I have two books coming out next year and I'll probably have at least one or two books coming out in 2027. So it's not like there's, it's not like you get, you get a long wait between.
[00:41:36] Speaker A: I mean, I've always said that about like I work, I said I work for a brewery and that was. They're always like, oh, you should make this beer again like this. There's someone else that makes that similar beers. Just, just buy theirs and buy ours. We're making right now. Like, like there's something out there. Like you can get something. So it's not like, okay, you know, it's not like you can't buy a horror book that's going to be similar in a sense to yours to get you by if when the publication date came out for Third rule of Time Travel and it wasn't your thing Like I said I would if it was me. It's the other side. It's the sci fi people that are more upset. They, like, really like that book. There isn't coming anything coming, in my opinion.
But as a comic book fan, I'm excited for your horror future because you got a Creepshow story coming. I wanted to touch on that really quickly.
[00:42:15] Speaker B: And.
[00:42:15] Speaker A: And that comes out. The first issue comes out in September. Do you know which issue you're in?
[00:42:19] Speaker B: I do not know what issue I'm in. All I do and all I know is that it's in the fourth volume.
It's right in the fourth volume. I think I. I think. I mean, I'm probably in. I think there's five issues.
[00:42:31] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:42:32] Speaker B: In the fourth volume. I'm probably in three or four. And the reason I think that is because I'm in the. I'm in the holiday issue.
[00:42:39] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:42:40] Speaker B: So since it starts in September and probably goes, like, toward. Assuming I'm in, like, December, January range.
Because my story was definitely holiday. Holiday story and Creep show guys are cool with me saying that.
They just don't. I don't think they know 100% yet which one I'm in. So.
But yeah, that was a. That was such a great experience.
I was very fortunate to connect with the guys at Skybound and Creepshow and work with the editors over there, and they were great. And I hope I get to do it again. It was so much fun. They were so.
They were so inclusive of me. Like, I got to have. I got input on who the artist would be. I got input. I got to see all the early sketches and all the early, you know, dialogue work and art, butchering it. I know in the comic book world it's called something. Lettering. Lettering. Thank you.
But yeah, all that stuff was. Was great. And so it was such a. It was such a. A great experience. And the story is really fun.
So, yeah, I'm excited for that to come. It's called Will you please be quiet.
That's.
[00:43:51] Speaker A: That's. That's just so cool. And it's one of those things that, you know, I have this affinity for both, you know, you know, prose novels and comic books. And so, like, I just. We had Christopher golden up here and we had Clay McLeod Chapman up here recently, and Daniel Krause is another one. Adam Caesar's another one. All you authors that I really, really, really, really enjoy. A lot of those people I just mentioned just also have written comic books over the years.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:12] Speaker A: Actually, I did not realize until more recently that this right here is the sequel to Waterworld, the movie. It's called Waterworld.
[00:44:20] Speaker B: Children of Love.
[00:44:22] Speaker A: It's the sequel to Waterworld that was written by Christopher golden for comic form. Oh, actually.
And I was, like, doing some research and so on and so forth, and I'm like, oh, my God, I need to read that.
[00:44:32] Speaker B: Supposed to be Kevin Costner on the.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: COVID I don't know.
It's very bad if it is.
But I decided to read it because I was like, oh. But he told me, like, it's basically, they discover, like, that there's not enough water on Earth to flood the Earth, like water world, so they need to come up with some story. And they asked Universal, what should we do? And they're like, I don't know. It's your comic. You write it. You figure it out. And so we did figure it out. In that comic book series, they do figure out how the water flooded the earth. And I was like, fascinating to me. So I'm like, this comic book crossover is so cool. And so hearing and loving your writing, you know, in the novel format, I'm excited to see, you know, it cross over to comics. Because as comics is a big thing to me. And I think that I started getting into reading more, reading comics because it wasn't as a big of a task to me. It was a. I could get this done quickly and I could do it without frustrating myself. And so in the future, I was able to read novels. But, yeah, so comics are, to me, are going to always be this big thing. And I think that you getting into this and doing a story for Creepshow is awesome. It's also Creepshow, which is badass.
[00:45:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it's super.
[00:45:31] Speaker A: Right?
[00:45:32] Speaker B: It's a total bucket list. Right. I would love to do more comics, too. I have friends who write, as you mentioned, Chris, you know, others who are.
Have you ever. I was curious when you were talking, have you ever interviewed Benjamin Percy?
[00:45:43] Speaker A: I have not yet. He's on a. He's on a list.
Benjamin's awesome. Yeah. Benjamin.
[00:45:47] Speaker B: He has been ranking out comics lately. He's been.
And what a great writer he is.
[00:45:54] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:45:55] Speaker B: Yeah. And a great guy. You'd love to have him on. He's. He's. He's a really sweet guy. But anyway.
But yeah, it's something I would love to get more into now. This is just a story, so it's part of, like, an anthology. Right. But I would love to write at some point, I would love to have the opportunity to write, like a full Comic. And I. And I pitched skybound like an idea and. And that's. You know, we'll probably continue talking and. But I wrote it. I wrote a.
I wrote a novella called Commodore.
[00:46:23] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:46:24] Speaker B: Which takes place in the world, this world I created called Sabbath. It's a town of Sabbath, which is sort of a hybrid of Lovecraft and Ray Bradbury. Small town, 50s with monsters in it. And there's a whole lore behind it. And I've read a few short stories that take place in Sabbath. And I really love the idea of Sabbath being like a comic book and having all these different weird stories that take place, you know, month in and month out as a comic book series. So that's kind of like my. My little dream over here when I. When I. That hopefully one day I'll get to do something like that. But. But yeah, comics are great. And I. The only reason, the only thing, I never got into super into comics and the only. I'll tell you why. Because my. My brother, when I was growing up was a huge comic book guy. And. And I do read a lot of comics. I prefer. I prefer the omnibuses with the graphic novels. Because my problem was I was. I would read a comic and it. I would read it so fast that it would be over.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:16] Speaker B: And I'd be like, well, now I gotta wait. Wait a month and I get. Find out what happens next. And it was like. So for me, it was just happened to. It was too quick. It was like a. You know, and so I. So that kind of kept me from getting super into. But I do like.
I like getting like the omnibuses with like the whole. The whole run in there. And I can just kind of go from beginning to end because that's probably the fiction reader in me or the. That wants to know the whole story at once. Yeah.
[00:47:40] Speaker A: And it's a big thing right now. I think it's. It's also a transition in the market. I think it's a lot of that people who are. What they call in the comic book industry is trade waiting. And then you're waiting for that trade paperback of the comic book. The five issues altogether. The downside is they announce creep show volume four, coming out in September, issue one. And that trade won't come out until March of 2026. So in a comic book world, we find out about things closer and the publication date is closer. And obviously in the fictional novel and prose world, it's like, no, you. You're promoting this book for a year before it comes out. Comic books is a Lot of, like, you, like, get a solicitation guide that the book comes out in six weeks. And so there's a. There's a really random difference in that. But with you coming from the world of. Of books, doing a graphic novel or some sort of something like that would actually work because that's also part of the book market, goes to bookstores. It can be on the shelf next to, you know, Autumn Streets Massacre or something like that too. But yeah, but yeah, it's a fun world. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:48:36] Speaker B: Writing. Writing. You know, I learned a lot writing that. You know, I'd never written a comic script before, so.
So learning. Learning. That was very exciting for me and super fun. It was just a different, you know, flexing a different muscle, you know, doing something completely different than what I. It's different than even. Because I've been. I've done the screen running we talked about, and I've done fiction, and I've done all this other stuff, but it. It's even different than all that stuff. It's its own. It's its own thing for sure.
[00:49:01] Speaker A: It's definitely. And it's one of those things that, like, you know, some stories are made for comics, some are made for pros and all. Some are made for movies, tv, so on and so forth. So there are some that. But there are also some of the ones that kind of like, can do everything and be in different forms and things like that. And it's a visual medium. So if anybody likes movies, comics are in that sense too. It's. It's that you. You work with another person. That's the other difference is that you're actually having to rely on someone else. You. A book, you're like, okay, it's me. And if my editor says, change this, I change that or do this or whatever. But really, it's all me. And so with a comic, you're like, cool, let's talk about this with someone else. And then an anthologist. They probably got me. Creep show People skybound are probably all, like you said, mentioned input in any idea. You know, here and there. But, like, you. Obviously, it's your story, but there's a group of people that are really trying to, like, get this thing made.
[00:49:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And the artist is such a. Such a huge component, bigger than even I had fully realized. Because I'm basically saying, like, you know, I don't want to get. I don't want to give away my story, but I'm basically saying, like, okay. And then this thing sort of looks like this, and I Don't know. Here, then here's maybe a couple of visuals. And then they create this thing and I see it. I'm like, oh, my God, that's so much better than I ever.
[00:50:08] Speaker A: It's what I picture my head, but so much better. Yeah.
[00:50:11] Speaker B: And that's what makes comics fun is, you know, that's what makes it so. To your point about. It's all. It's a graphic medium, you know, I'm just kind of throwing in. I'm just kind of keep. You know, and you're so limited in what you can say with words, which I think is great. And so really, as a writer, you're really like, okay, what really needs to be here so that readers understand what's going on? And it was so. Yeah, it was. It was really fun. And. And I can't wait for my creep show story to come out. I hope, I hope. I think. I hope people love those.
That. That next volume, I. I think it's going to be. I think it's gonna be fun.
[00:50:45] Speaker A: And to me, it's like, for people. I'm a fan of your writing. So, like, to me, it's one of those things that I've always saw it as another avenue for people to know who you are and to potentially jump into different things. So, like, I've always been. Even someone has writing novels for years, like, oh, they went over and wrote a comic book. And now I feel like, okay, those people are going to go over and the opposite. The opposite side of things. People who've written comic books for a while have go over, write a novel. I think there's that crossover, and I think that, you know, you get some new fans, some new readers, and so there's that too. But, like, to me, those people who are a big fan of yours, and all of a sudden, oh, you're in the industry that I love too. This is really cool seeing you now. You're a comic book writer as well. You can't just write author. Get to write comic book writer on things now, too. You have to change it to just writer. Right? I mean, you can't.
[00:51:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:51:23] Speaker A: Screenwriter, author. Your name, your bio is going to get so much longer.
[00:51:26] Speaker B: You know what the funnest part about that creep show thing was? To put a button on it was writing dialogue for the creep.
[00:51:32] Speaker A: See, it's so. That's cool. And that's the thing. To me, like, it's not one of those things where you just came up with your own creator, own book, and it's going to be out There. And it's your own idea. It's like you're in a world that people would love to be in, and you got a chance to do it, which is really cool. Pinch me moment. But, yeah, we're gonna wrap things up here. I'm so glad you were able to come on and talk. I wish we had more time to talk about this, but I didn't. We didn't have enough times to talk about Santa Pops to pause to, man.
[00:51:58] Speaker B: Go see. Well, how old's your kid? Can you say he's four? Yeah, that's the man. He'd love it. It's totally. It is perfect.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Four or five years, I'll tell you right now. I watched it this morning. I'm not joking.
[00:52:12] Speaker B: Did you watch it?
[00:52:13] Speaker A: Yeah, I watched it. It was fun.
It was funny because I was mentioning. I was mentioning it to someone and. And I'm like, oh, Santa pause. They go, I didn't know there was a Santa pause one. And I was like, okay, that's a good point there. But.
[00:52:22] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, but it's. What's interesting is when you watch it, you probably. You probably caught a little bit of that. My horror.
[00:52:30] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:52:31] Speaker B: Mine in there. There's some stuff in there that's a little dark.
[00:52:33] Speaker A: Well, that's what's funny about. It's like, you look up online, people are like, wow, this is way darker than, like, a letterbox. It was like, one of those things like, oh, this is a great fit. But, jeez, it's a little darker than this thing.
[00:52:42] Speaker B: And I was like, yeah, I would. I went dark in SP2 dog. I went.
When I was writing Christmas Cold that Diane Lane was singing.
Whatever.
I was like, this is like some messed up stuff. But people think gothic is dark.
[00:52:58] Speaker A: So what are you doing the novelization. Are you going to do the novelization of.
[00:53:02] Speaker B: There is a novelization that I did not write. Yeah, there is. I didn't write it.
If I have it here, I'll show it to you. But. Yeah, but I actually wrote, like, seven Disney movies. That was one of them. But there's only one I got credit for.
[00:53:13] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. It was just one of those things. It's like. It's funny. I was like, oh, Screamer. I wonder what he's written before. And I was like, I love it.
This is amazing.
[00:53:22] Speaker B: I love when people bring up Santa pause, too, because it's. It's. It's. Yeah, man. It's like, shows my range, you know, I can do. I can do kids or I can do. I Can do adult horror. Whatever. Whatever you need.
[00:53:34] Speaker A: It's gonna be funny. If someone watches this movie as a kid and then later on for some reason just gravitates towards horror genre and then like for some reason has your entire catalog of books and they don't realize that that's where it started was how'd you. How'd you get into my books? I watched Santa Pups Pause too.
[00:53:48] Speaker B: Yeah, right.
[00:53:50] Speaker A: Yeah, that's where this started. And Right.
[00:53:52] Speaker B: For most people, for most of us of our generation, it's like, oh, it started with like the Shining for people. For the kid, the new generation. It's going to be started with Santa pause 2.
[00:54:02] Speaker A: That's great. It's gonna be amazing. People have to wear out the. You know, they have to buy it on digital a number of times.
[00:54:07] Speaker B: Right.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: And on physical media. Might not be around anymore. But yeah, this is a, this is a fun collection to have. But yeah, I really appreciate you coming on. Talking a little bit about D7, but mostly autumn Springs Nursing Home Massacre, which hits shelves this September 30th.
[00:54:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:22] Speaker A: From Toyota Nightfire. Exciting for that pick up if you're a sci Fi person or not and just want to read it. A third world time travel was also phenomenal. Boys in the Valley, all kinds of stuff from. From Philip. You can go to his website. This is just philip forcassi.com.
[00:54:35] Speaker B: Is that pfercassi.com?
[00:54:37] Speaker A: Yes, it is Picasso.
[00:54:39] Speaker B: So.
[00:54:39] Speaker A: But yeah, I really appreciate you coming on, chatting and discussing all these things. I really think that people should go pick up the Autumn Springs Nursing Home Massacre. It's a. They say it's a fun book, but it's also got some moments in there and I'm excited for other people to read it. It's one of those things that the downside of reading books ahead of time is you can't really discuss it with anybody else except for those people who also have read it ahead of time. It's like all my friends are like, ah, I can't discuss this with someone.
[00:55:01] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a spoiler. It's a spoiler heavy book. So make sure you read it early on.
[00:55:05] Speaker A: So. But yeah, I really appreciate taking the time and we'll chat again soon in the future. Sound good?
[00:55:10] Speaker B: All right, Justin, thanks so much, man.
[00:55:12] Speaker A: Thanks, Philip.
[00:55:13] Speaker B: All right, bye.
