Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesandtights.com, i'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. This episode is once again brought to you by our friends over at Galactic Comics and Collectibles at collective comics and collectibles.com or if you're in the Bangor area, 499 Hammond street in Bangor, Maine. We welcome back the proprietor and owner of Galactic Comics and Collectibles to discuss the 1987 Masters of the Universe film where a heroic warrior named he man battles against an evil lord Skeletor and his armies of darkness to control Castle Grayskull. And really misleading title because they're mostly in On Earth after getting transported there and have to fight their way back to Eternia. Yeah, this movie came out in 1987, so we discussed it right here on the podcast and so much more. But before you listen, follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, bluesky, threads, all those places you can rate, review, subscribe over on Apple or Spotify or wherever you find your podcast. As always, you can visit YouTube.com for the video portion of this podcast and for reviews, opinions, news. So much more, check out capes and tights.com but this is Paul Eaton, owner of Galactic Comics and collectibles, discussing the 1987 Masters of the Universe film right here. Enjoy everyone.
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Welcome back to the podcast. Well, no, they changed the way the recording buttons are on these things. It's ridiculous.
[00:01:27] Speaker B: Wait, yeah, no, wait, no, yeah, we're
[00:01:29] Speaker A: here, we're running it again.
So Paul, did you like Masters of the Universe?
[00:01:35] Speaker B: Is this not the greatest cinematic feature of all time? Is this possibly the, the top five star movie we've watched on this podcast?
[00:01:44] Speaker A: I'll tell you right now, it is one of the ones. And there's a certain scene that sticks has stayed with me for years.
[00:01:51] Speaker B: To stay with you from this movie.
[00:01:53] Speaker A: No, but like there's a scene like this is one scene that I'm always like, I always go, I forget what movie that was in. And then I remember it and that's part of it because like I mentioned to you in the shop that it's like Gwildor is kind of like a dark crystal looking character and then you got like Star wars esque, like feature like sci fi adventure in this.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: There's definitely a bunch of of props and stuff in this movie that looks like we just use what was around at other sets. Change the color.
[00:02:18] Speaker A: It was price. It was price limit limitations. For sure. It was, it was Budget limitations. However, the scene is them eating chicken in the bushes.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:25] Speaker A: Literally like that scene. For some reason it's always been that like he man and Gwildor and like what's her name?
[00:02:33] Speaker B: Gildor, man of arms and Teela.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:02:36] Speaker B: Eating.
[00:02:36] Speaker A: Eating chicken in the. In the thing. And they're all like, wait, this is. Was a. Was alive. And they're all like. Like, it's kind of funny in that sense. For some reason.
That and the music, the. The intro song as well as the songs and music that the. The key does make. Like that. That has always stayed with me. I will say that. However, just like you read on the Internet anywhere, if you go into this movie expecting what you're going to get from the animated version of he man, the Masters universe, you are going to be gravely disappointed in the sense that like when we talked about Super Mario Brothers, this is a darker, but not dark like as in Mario Bros. But a darker, less colorful.
[00:03:16] Speaker B: People are dying in this thing like this war.
So I background story for this. I love this movie. As like as a kid I watched it. I've watched this mountain how many times. Liz had never seen it. Her and I were watching it together.
I realized later on running the store that I'd never actually seen the Animated series of He Man. I assumed I'd seen it. Like, I didn't have cable as a kid. Apparently I never watched it. So I put it on. I was like, what the hell is this?
Because the only. I realized the only He Man I have to reference is this movie.
[00:03:48] Speaker A: It's tough.
[00:03:48] Speaker B: That's what I have. I know the gist, right? I know you're.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: That doesn't look like Dolph Lund.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: And you're supposed to have like, I have the power.
But like me, this was He Man. So when I started watching Skeleton was running around like being a goofball, like sort of very Cobra Commander esque villain of the 80s.
I was like, the hell. Like that's the Skeletor is scary. Like in this movie, Skeletor is scary.
[00:04:13] Speaker A: The number one thing other than the fact that I just love Dolph Lundgren in general.
[00:04:16] Speaker B: Other than that, it's amazing.
[00:04:18] Speaker A: Skeletor is the part of this movie for sure.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: He's awesome.
[00:04:22] Speaker A: He's great. And it's honestly, I watched a movie, Draft Day with. With is it Kevin Costner about like a drafting. It was like. It's a football movie about the getting the first overall and hit the boss. The owner of the team is the guy who plays Skeletor. And I'm like looking him up online, like, who's playing Skeletor? And it's Frank Langella. And it's just like so. Well, you can't obviously can't tell who it is under the.
[00:04:47] Speaker B: Not at all.
[00:04:47] Speaker A: But it was just like so well done.
[00:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah, so well done. Like, this is they. I'm gonna say overall, I feel like the budget they spent, they put in the right places for this movie. Beastman looks really good. Like he looks good.
He man looks awesome. Skeletor looks fantastic. They reuse the same sex a lot. Like, you know, some of like the shooting stuff is a little cheesy. Like, you know, but overall I feel like, honestly. So this is the first time I ever saw this movie in really high depth. Like I'm watching this thing on my living room television, high def. And I was like, this actually still looks pretty cool. Like it's on.
[00:05:27] Speaker A: It translates. It's just a great movie.
[00:05:29] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:05:30] Speaker A: If you're gonna see a 80s sci fi adventure movie that's sort of kid friendly family, but that, that you want, this is one of the ones you could pick out and be like, no one's really gonna be pissed about the way that it's made. Like the way the movie was made and it was made for Anna. But I mean, everything I read online about this movie is due to budget limitations and budget restrictions and budget this and budget that. So like, they wanted a much larger budget, but they had whatever they could use. And actually the budget in 1987 was $17.3 million, which nowadays would be about $52 million. So to me, I'm like, it's not like, I mean, it's not 150,000, $150 million budget, but still like $50 million.
[00:06:05] Speaker B: No, no, it's not a $1 million budget like the Fantastic Four. So I think that's. That's probably some of it is that they, they had a decent budget and they. I feel like they used it well also.
[00:06:16] Speaker A: I said that wrong. It's $22 million budget, $65 million box.
Today it's 17.3 million dollar box house. So they actually lost money on this movie.
[00:06:25] Speaker B: That's too bad.
[00:06:26] Speaker A: Like five or six million dollars.
[00:06:28] Speaker B: Well, I never got my sequel, man. So I never got my sequel.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: Well, I mean, it's funny because like, it's like, like we said about the similarities, but not as bad with Super Mario. So if you haven't listened to our Super Mario episode, go back and listen to that one because we'll talk about how, like they take something and they translate it and adapt it into something that's not anywhere near. It's like
[00:06:47] Speaker B: humble opinion. This is a hell of a lot better than super. Oh, it is.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: But I'm saying the adaptation is at least closer and there's a reason for things and they explain it better. The fact that like the he man cartoon, they're in Eternia the whole time. Like in the he man cartoons, there's no travel to Earth.
[00:07:02] Speaker B: I don't they ever come to Earth.
[00:07:03] Speaker A: This was reason they did Earth is because it would have been too expensive to do Eternia all the time.
[00:07:07] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Yeah. Can you imagine, like, as the budget was depleting, how much worse the sets would have gotten for Eternia? So, like, totally. It's easy. And you know what? It's way easier to get people who don't understand the property to go and go, okay, this takes place in our world, I think, than it is to be like, what the hell am I looking at? The whole movie. I don't understand this place. I don't understand what's happening. I don't understand where, why, who. So instead it's like, oh, it's Earth and it's this girl and her boyfriend and then these crazy superhero esque characters. Okay, this is easy enough to follow.
[00:07:47] Speaker A: It has that fish out of water but not much kind of thing. But like, it makes sense because you also. Like, we were just talking at the convention I was at recently that that one of the voice actors, Roger Craig Smith, who's the voice of Sonic, not the Sonic in the new movie, but Sonic the original, like the Animated series and all that stuff. He also did Captain America, Batman and some things.
It was Raphael and a couple of TMNT things. And the narrator of say yes to the Dress. So, you know, he's done. He's conquered it all. No, but he was talking about how cutscenes in animated video games or animated in video games are getting so high deft. He says he almost doesn't like it because it takes away from the fact that when you're playing a video game, part of your mindset is that you're being the person in the video game. So when you're playing hockey, Paul, you're playing hockey, you're playing like you're the guy on the ice, like you're the one playing this. So if all of a sudden, nowhere, the cut scene comes to a really, really, really, really, like almost realistic or lower, like if it just cut to a live action Hockey game. You kind of separate yourself from that. Like, though that's not me. And so there is this, like, you need to have something a little bit not realistic in the sense, like, almost like feel like you need to have that in this kind of a movie where you need to have some sort of. Like, it's not real, but like, also making it seem like you're in your world. Seems like he man could visit me. Like, that's the difference between, like, the Mario brothers going into the Mushroom Kingdom is that you're now still in a weird thing.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: Felt like a fever dream.
[00:09:15] Speaker A: Yeah. You're not. You're not in the Mushroom Kingdom. You won't be able to meet Mario.
But this is like, if I went to this town that I'd actually get to meet he man. That was cool to me. The idea that.
[00:09:24] Speaker B: I love the idea he man could come to.
[00:09:26] Speaker A: It's the Sonic. It's Sonic the Hedgehog. It's the idea that Sonic is now in our world in the live action movies of Sonic. So, like, I like that part. I like that. I did not like Gwildor at all.
[00:09:39] Speaker B: So Gildor. For anyone who doesn't know or maybe semi familiar in he man, there's a character, Orko, that's like a magical being. He's like a little wizard dude. He's always floating around. And I. There's no way on a budget they were gonna make that.
[00:09:55] Speaker A: And if they did.
[00:09:57] Speaker B: So instead we replaced Orko with Gwildor, a weird little trollish dude inventor guy that definitely looks like a creature out of Dark Crystal or a random background character in Star wars or.
[00:10:10] Speaker A: It was that time. Like, it made sense to them. If they're like, how are we gonna make this? So it's. Fans of. People will like this.
It was like Dark Crystal, Star wars, those kind of movies.
[00:10:20] Speaker B: Comedic relief to the movie a lot.
[00:10:22] Speaker A: Well, she's. Orko is in the. In the anime.
[00:10:25] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. He's just sort of there and doing dumb crap and whatever, like driving the pink Cadillac that he managed to.
[00:10:33] Speaker A: Well, it just.
[00:10:34] Speaker B: To be honest, it was a fair lane that he like, changed over to run on whatever he's going off about how he changed the technology and everything. And there he is driving this thing, which is. I mean, he man in a pink Fairlane is.
[00:10:48] Speaker A: Well, he man in general is the whole idea. Like, I'm a Star wars fan as well as you're not a big Star wars fan. Like, you'll. You'll watch the movies here and there.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: Oh, I know. Yeah. I I know all this Star wars,
[00:10:57] Speaker A: but is that he man also in this, in this Eternia and things like that is like in the future, but also in the past kind of thing where it's like this, like, he man's still dressed in like a thong and
[00:11:08] Speaker B: like, still wearing his thong and swinging his sword.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: But they have the technology.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:15] Speaker A: So, like, it is that weird.
[00:11:16] Speaker B: So they can travel through time and space.
Travel through time and space, but he still runs around his underwear.
[00:11:21] Speaker A: The only way that I think that these characters.
[00:11:23] Speaker B: You tell me if you didn't, you weren't built like Dolph and you just walk around your underwear all the time.
[00:11:27] Speaker A: Well, that's, that's a good point. I mean, like I watch, watching Brooklyn 99 again with, with Taylor.
And they're always like, Terry Crews, the guy, the, the black, big black.
Well, the character. Always. There's a character in there, Gina Lynetti goes, hey, you're. You're tackling that person. You're too constricted. Take your shirt off. And it's like, yes, Dolph. Wrong. Same thing. They're like, well, we gotta get someone. They didn't get like a pudgy guy to play he man. They had to like, you know, but also, he man is like that in the comics, but. Or the Animated series.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a massive muscle dude.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: And the funny thing is, if you saw he man show up with his group and it was just he man. And what's her name? I keep on forgetting her name. Yes.
You would go, you guys, there's a mental hospital down the street. You can go see that thing. But I guess the only way to be like, well, maybe they're right. Is this Gildor creature character. Like, you know, like one of those things where, like, if that showed up on your front steps of the shop, you'd be like, okay, you're not from Earth.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: All right. Okay, now I get it. Yeah, yeah. You see them walking around, I mean, with the feathered hair everywhere. She's in this weird skin tight suit. He's naked. You're like, okay, where's the comic convention? Yeah, yeah.
What. What happened here? Yeah, and that's the, like the stupid cop in there you get, who's from Back to the Future there.
[00:12:42] Speaker A: Oh, and he's the same character, just a different profession.
[00:12:45] Speaker B: 100. Yeah, they were just like, what did you do? Is be the same character. You're going to carry a gun.
And he's constantly like, what is this, a cult? Like, the amount of time so the movie itself. The plot is what it is. I don't think it's horrible. It's not great.
[00:13:00] Speaker A: No, it's good.
[00:13:02] Speaker B: I think the villains are fun. I do agree, like, Goldor's a bit much. And then the evil Gildor esque, whatever the hell his name is that's kicking around with Skeletor is a lot.
But the movie is super enjoyable. But the amount of times that the kid keeps saying to the cop, this is real.
If you were doing like a drinking game, you wouldn't make it through any of those scenes once you put those two together. And every time he goes, this is real. You take a drink, you're done in like five minutes. That's like the entire interaction of the kid in the cop, like non stop.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: I love that story. I mean, 1987. So this is a spoiler if you haven't seen Masters of the universe from 1987. But I think we're. We're 29 years or 39 years into this is he ends up living in it. Like the best part is like, he ends up being like, I'm gonna stay in attorney.
[00:13:56] Speaker B: I'm. I'm rocking it out now.
[00:13:58] Speaker A: My. My police pension is not good enough. I am going to live out here.
Just so you know, his. His name is James Tolkien and he passed away recently, actually, which is, you know, rest in peace. However, I just found this out because the way I was trying to figure out who the character was was googling it. And then I got to the Wikipedia for Back to the future and Mr. Strickland. Fun fact. Mr. Strickland from back to the Future and myself share the same birth.
I don't know why Mr. Strickland has a birthday. Is this in his biography history? Like, why would you set a birthday for a fictional character?
[00:14:30] Speaker B: It was not relevant in those movies at all.
In the cartoon, maybe is he transcended
[00:14:36] Speaker A: the cartoon series 1925.
It says.
Wait a second.
Oh, that's his. His events. Events that happened in 19. Wow. This is. I have to go into this.
I'll have to go into this because there's like a whole history about what happens on May 15th in this movie or in this con. Like in Back to the Future.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: In Back to the Future.
[00:14:58] Speaker A: I don't. It's weird. It's on the.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: Okay, now we've gone off a whole new.
[00:15:02] Speaker A: It's.
You know, Phantom has like their PDs, like their Wikipedia, but like, it's all Phantom. It's.
Yeah, it's pretty funny. It's like all this stuff Written in there. A homeless man dies in a car crash in 1986 and May on May 15th.
Okay, so I don't know, we're gonna sidetracked it here. It's a little bit.
[00:15:24] Speaker B: Can you go to attorney? Did we save.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: Can we go there now? But here. So were you not like absolutely pumped watching this again? Saying, hearing I have.
[00:15:33] Speaker B: Oh yeah.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: Like I have the power. I was like, oh yeah. Like this is it. We're here.
[00:15:38] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. He's got the sword. And like, I don't think you have a better casting than Dolph Lunder. And I see man like time and space.
Best casting you could get. Like, he looks like he man. Blonde hair, blue eyed, giantly jacked dude.
Like, yeah, he's definitely he man. 100
[00:16:00] Speaker A: and what again? What's her face beautiful in this movie too. Like she is like for 1987. Like watching her. She's just like. They casted someone who is stunning in 1980.
[00:16:11] Speaker B: The guy that plays man at arms looks like the man in arms in the cartoon. And they did a good job. Like the costume of him. He looks right. They changed Tila a lot. But I mean Tila's outfit didn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense in the cartoon series. So why not change it up?
[00:16:25] Speaker A: So here's the deal. So I always say to myself, like, just like Evil Lyn was pretty cool, honestly.
Yep. And again, Skeletor was phenomenal and. And Beastman was good. Yeah.
[00:16:36] Speaker B: Yep. But it's weird that they have. So this is always the thing I found a little odd. So my. My best friend dawn is a huge master of the universe guy. That's like was his favorite thing as a kid.
And it's weird that they had so many characters.
The Skeletor has all these henchmen and instead of just using all of the henchmen, they used Beastman and then just made up three other ones. The other three are all made for this movie. You know, they didn't bother with like merman or triclops or we're just like, oh, this guy's blade and whatever the lizard dude is and the weird evil munchkin
[00:17:14] Speaker A: part of it. My last line I have my notes from watching it was just because you can doesn't mean you should in the sense that it actually probably has been going for a lot of the movies we watch. Paul. That this is probably a quote we could actually use for that. But is masters in the universe. He man. The masters of the universe were popular in the 80s and so that made sense for them to make this or want to make this. But then when they sat down.
When they sat down. The reason we never got a Spider man film until the Tobey Maguire Spider man films is because they knew they wouldn't be able to do it justice. Like there was just like everything they
[00:17:52] Speaker B: tried for Spider man was pretty.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: And. And the only thing is Superman obviously was good. The flying was actually not that bad in Superman. I actually got a chance with the.
[00:18:00] Speaker B: The Peter Pan esque thing with Lois. But.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: Yeah, but. But whatever. But my thought is as just as you can. And so you can't afford to make Orko. You can't afford to put this on Attorney. Yeah. You can't afford to potentially have the extra henchmen for First Skeletor after these timers.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: Henchmen would be probably pretty expensive to make and probably had excess stuff to make the Lizard.
[00:18:23] Speaker A: So sitting in this writer's room, do they just go, why are we doing this? Why don't we wait until we can do that to me, like, so we're
[00:18:30] Speaker B: getting this be done.
[00:18:31] Speaker A: We're getting this in. In 2000. We're getting this this summer, right? We're getting Masters of the Universe, the remake or the reboot.
[00:18:38] Speaker B: But it's massive. There's been out for a few years by the time this movie came out.
It's not like this was a big promotion like what Mattel had the right.
[00:18:48] Speaker A: It was four years. So Classics animated series came out in 1983-1985. So this is two years after the classic series.
They didn't go back to doing an animated series until 2002 and then now 2021. And they obviously had the comics and things like that. It sporadically have. It happens. Comics are coming back pretty hard right now. Like with massive universe revelation.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: Stuff like that is where it just got in. And he's still trying to disarm the alarm even though I told him I'm here.
[00:19:13] Speaker A: That's amazing. That's Gary for you. No, so like it's doesn't need to be done. Like it was like one of those things also. I think nowadays I feel like there's this like rush to do live action adaptations because we can. The technology is there. But like 1987, it seems like they. That someone at the studio somewhere was like, I really want to make this movie. I think we're gonna do great with it. And I think they probably thought they'd make $100 million. Like yeah.
[00:19:36] Speaker B: And maybe that was a catch. Like the action Stuff was hot. And let's find properties that, you know, maybe we can talk into using.
[00:19:44] Speaker A: And.
[00:19:44] Speaker B: And that's why we got this movie.
Because it doesn't seem like Mattel at that point would have been like, oh, we're gonna sell more toys doing this, or I'm sure at that point in time, all of your cartoons and stuff were basically toy commercials.
[00:19:56] Speaker A: Yeah, well, that's. That we've created for like. I don't think a lot of people understand that and maybe people do. I don't know. Is that like the whole. In 1980s animation, early 90s animation was all crafted to sell toys.
We wouldn't have toys that exist. We wouldn't have those series anymore, ever.
[00:20:12] Speaker B: On the. I think it was the toys that made us. I watched they had a whole. A whole section on Master of the Universe. And like, they had to try to figure out how they were gonna get you to buy more figures and why there was a purpose of them. So they released them initially with a comic because the cartoon couldn't get going fast enough. So they had the little comics that came with them so kids would. And then they could promote that as like, oh, now it comes with a comic. You got to read your comic, kids. Which, you know, parents will like to push reading. Yeah.
[00:20:37] Speaker A: So it's still a comic, though it's a lesser thing, Paul.
[00:20:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:20:41] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. It's not as good as watching tv.
The thing is, so if you think he man was made for children, or at least, at least teenagers, fine line of a.
[00:20:54] Speaker B: Of a family movie and a.
[00:20:56] Speaker A: Not family, but it's a family movie, but it's not one. I'm not. So I showed Nova and I a couple weeks ago before he went to Disney World. Watch Star wars, the original New Hope. Because I thought, okay, it's probably a little too advanced for him. A little bit. A lot of dialogue in it too. But like, maybe he'll understand. He'll recognize the characters and things like that. But I don't think that watching this. If I said, hey, watch, watch the 1987 Live Action Masters of the Universe. And then he's like, oh, that was kind of fun. I'm like, but there's an animated series too. And had him show the Animated Series, he wouldn't connect the two. I don't think. I don't think there's enough. Like, it may be the opposite. Like, if they made a live action Zootopia movie for somehow, like, or a different. He would get that because he's watched the animated one first. But if you did the opposite, I don't think that he'd immediately go, that's who that is. Because so like, to me, I'm like, toys, animated series, all that stuff. I don't think is. It wasn't late enough. So if you think about it, it came out in the 80s, like early 80s, and you did like 95, 96, 97. Somewhere in there, early 2000s did it. You'd get the people who play with it as a kid who have money now to go to the movie theaters by themselves to go see it. And so this is like two or three years after the think too much. So, like you're convincing your parents. Can you go see this movie? That was a little dark for. Compared to the anime.
[00:22:04] Speaker B: Yeah, compared to the anime series. Yeah, 100. I mean, the anime series had Christmas special. It had the stupid. Like we left cringer all out of this in Battle Cat. We just left that out. We don't need to try to deal with a tiger on scene.
[00:22:15] Speaker A: Trying to see them try to fly these spaceship looking things through the city downtown. And it was moving so slow.
[00:22:21] Speaker B: Yeah, the scene. The scene when they start having the battle on those things and the little cruiser bike things.
Such a relevant part of the cartoon series. So I get adding it, but it did not look that well.
[00:22:33] Speaker A: When they're standing on the roof and it comes up from the above, the thing, you're like. It literally just goes the slowest possible lifting and like Skeletor is there standing there and they're like, okay. And then they like, he man come with me and he man gets on the thing and it goes slowly down. I was like. It's almost reminded me of like a guy doing the whole walking behind the counter. Like, I'm going downstairs. I'm like, dude, like the technology of that scene. Well, I noticed it in Star wars when his land speeder.
Yeah, well, it's like what I see in Star wars and the land seaters, like off the screen going like this. I'm like, that's like a forklift. And it's like sitting there so, like I can see. I'm like, that is literally like they use the freaking. What's it called? Scissor lift with the. With the thing on it and it looks around it. But the unions were like, you can't go too fast because the safety hazard there. Like you gotta go. This only goes one speed. And it's thinking to myself, like, again in the past, but also to get
[00:23:24] Speaker B: one that had two speeds would have been more expensive. So they. They went with the. The cheapest rental possible.
[00:23:29] Speaker A: So we have $22 million. It's gonna cost too much money to have a scissor lift. We gotta make it go slow. And I just thought to myself, I'm like, he went so slow. I'm like, couldn't you just all attack him? And, like, that guy's gonna get out of here. They can't run away. Like.
But, yeah, so I thought that those kind of stuff.
Yeah, so. But, yeah, you can't translate. Like, obviously, cartoons are easier. And that's why a lot of our stuff growing up are cartoons. Like, it doesn't matter what they are. It's a. Translate it from comics or books or anything. Like, even the first, like, Hobbit stuff in Lord of the Rings stuff was all cartoon. Like, the adaptation of the books was a cartoon. Because obviously, way cheaper. You know what money spent.
[00:24:02] Speaker B: You don't have to worry about special effects, and you can do whatever you want. I still, to this day, I think that's why Spawn still looks better and animated than it ever will in live action. Because no matter how good the technology is, it's just gonna.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: Look, he made it. It's too flowing. It honestly is Todd McFarlane's fault, in a sense, because he did such a good job illustrating it. They're trying to translate his illustrations in a film. It's a lot harder.
[00:24:22] Speaker B: It's a lot harder to put that on screen.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: Well, obviously, there's also movements they can't. Like Spawn and Spider man makes the movements that the human body actually can't do.
[00:24:29] Speaker B: So I. I feel like, overall, this movie holds up for nostalgia, but also for fun. Like, Katie was watching with me this morning. Like, I don't know if she knew what the hell this thing was that she was staring at, but. But she was watching it like she was roped in. Okay, let's see what happens.
So, you know, I. I think that's great. You get the, like.
Oh, the foreshadowing with Courtney Cox's. Which, by the way, I think this was Courtney Cox's first movie.
[00:25:00] Speaker A: It might have been. Yeah. But it's so fun.
[00:25:01] Speaker B: It's.
[00:25:01] Speaker A: Again, there's certain people you just can't see in other things. I'm like, wait a second, isn't she on Friends? What's she doing with Gwildor?
She's some sort of cool. It's just like a bestiality thing with.
[00:25:14] Speaker B: Well, that's like the scene where she
[00:25:15] Speaker A: goes running around the corner. Gildor Ross or Gildor.
[00:25:19] Speaker B: And she Screams as she runs into he man. And he's like, it's okay. I'm here to protect you. Like, who's chasing you? And she's like, why are you in your underwear? Like, why. Why are you in your underwear? The cape, dude. Like, what?
I think that might be like, running through a dark alley in a giant, muscled, naked man comes to protect you. I think you should probably still run away. Let's see the Courtney stuff with her parents dying, like, in a plane crash. And like, the foreshadowing of, like, oh, if I could only go back and change it. Yeah, like, okay, that was a bit.
And then she's like, it's also a bit 80s. It's funny. I don't know why, but that just screams 80s plot.
[00:25:59] Speaker A: Well, yeah, that. And it also screams back to the future in a sense where it's like.
Or those, like, time travel things. Or those things where, you know, you can foreshadow see what happens in the future when she's like, in the house at the end. She's like, taking the keys to the boat or the plane or whatever and taking off.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: Or the car. So they can't drive to the plane.
[00:26:17] Speaker A: Yeah, but it was. It was like one of those things. Like, again, does my daughter need to be seen by a psychiatrist? Like, what the is going on? Like this, like, weird. Like, I don't know. It was a plot. It was a plot twist that didn't need a plot point. That didn't need to be in it either. Like, the whole point was he man getting to Earth accidentally through the key, which was a badass. Again, another thing they added to the movie that's not in the cartoons.
Key looks ridiculous, but the sounds that make are phenomenal.
But, like, she gets sh. She gets attacked, and so she's dying, and so they have to get back to turning into fixer.
[00:26:56] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the plot, right?
[00:26:59] Speaker A: That's the plot.
Any of the other stuff doesn't actually
[00:27:04] Speaker B: need to be there.
[00:27:05] Speaker A: Like, it doesn't have to be the. The ending of the movie with filming with her parents and her being. So I'd like. I guess it gets an emotional side of things, but, like, she was about to die, so we save our lives. And if that's the emotional part, yay, she's happy, she's alive. That should be the thing. However, I understand rather than now we
[00:27:21] Speaker B: drop you back in time and.
[00:27:24] Speaker A: And I think she got the role. I'm looking online. I think she got the role. She was in a show called misfits. Of science from 85 to 86. A couple of random like one off things. She was actually a young woman in Bruce Springsteen's Dancing in the Dark music video.
But she got a couple. She probably got the role because she was in the 16 episodes of that TV show. But this is one of her. One of her first movies. She was in a movie called down twisted in 1987 as well.
And TV movie called Sullivan and Peter Paradise.
But yeah, and then she was in Cocoon the Return. But that probably spurred her career. But again it may have ruined it too. Like what's her face said about Power of the Duck? About how it's like that, that, that scene she tried to have sex with a duck. That's what, that's what ruined her career.
[00:28:07] Speaker B: That is way weirder than anything with.
[00:28:09] Speaker A: Now of course tried to sleep with Gildor.
[00:28:13] Speaker B: Oh, we have. Yes. There's your plot twist. Yeah, she. She has the option of he man there or whatever. And she's like actually. And she starts rubbing gold or deer.
[00:28:22] Speaker A: I like them furry.
You don't have enough chest hair. Has more chest there.
Or if he man had something for Quildor that would be even better. No, Heman and gold are sleep in the same bed. You didn't know that. Gildor's like a little dog. He sits at the end of his bed. But you know, the additional. My thing was the additional Gildor and the addition of the key going to Earth. Those are three big things like build big things in this movie that separated it from the comic book. And in my mind I was like, if that's the case then then why do it? And again, they probably think of the same thing nowadays unless there's toys spiked. And I don't know for sure but like they lost money on this movie. So like it didn't do them any justice.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: And I, I don't think at that point the toy line was doing as much. Maybe this was their hope to revamp because they did make some action figures for this movie specifically Blade came out and there was like a movie line of action figures, but not very many.
I don't even know. I don't know if they ever made like Tila or even he man specifically from this movie. I don't think there was one that came up that looked exactly like Dolph London or anything.
[00:29:28] Speaker A: And now I looked it up online, Paul and I just this small amount of research and it looks like what happened before the movie is in 1986. It peaked in 1985. Toy sales for Mattel sales were dropping sharply by 1986. Retailers were overstocked and kids were coming moving towards other toys and trends.
That it actually didn't help. And the funny thing is I'm wondering now if it. That was the reason why they did it. It's because 1986 or 1985, they saw the decline. Like, let's do something new.
[00:29:56] Speaker B: Something hoping this will put it in mainstream.
[00:29:58] Speaker A: Maybe the parents will see it. So the parents will go see and get the movie and see the thing and then.
So it could have been a safe trying to saving grace.
Yeah, it did not work though, which
[00:30:08] Speaker B: is too bad because, like, it was fun.
[00:30:10] Speaker A: Just like the 1993 Mario movie didn't help with the video game sales. I'm guessing. I'm guessing that was a side, little side thing. It was not because of the movie.
[00:30:17] Speaker B: I remember those Mario action figures being on clearance like everywhere.
Did you see the end credits? Did you stay for the end credit scene?
[00:30:25] Speaker A: No. This is second movie in a row. Just anybody who wants to know as we Super Mario Brothers movie has a stupid end credit scene that I didn't know about either. And I'm just like, there's so much stuff going on that I get like you hear like the first word of the credits and like, click, turn off. Next thing. Got to go to the next thing. And so there's a. There's an end credit scene for this too, which is kind of funny. This is like before it's time.
[00:30:44] Speaker B: Yeah, there's an end credit scene. Skeletor comes up out of this, like water that apparently is at the bottom of the pit. He falls down and he's like Cameroon. I think he's just like, I'll be back. He man. Or whatever it was.
There was like this whole like Skeletor returning thing. And obviously they believed that they were going to make a sequel off of this.
And maybe we'll still see Dolph London come back.
[00:31:10] Speaker A: Well, I mean, I would love to see him. I guess they're gonna be a. What's it called? A cameo in.
[00:31:18] Speaker B: Yeah, he might play. Because I think so the new movie, I think is gonna be based just in Eternia.
[00:31:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:25] Speaker B: And maybe he plays Prince Adam's father who's in the movie or in the cartoon series.
He's not listening in the cartoon series. Like, no one knows that Prince Adam is actually he man.
[00:31:39] Speaker A: Well, that's the thing about this also. They also don't have Prince Admin like that. That's another big no.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: There is no back and forth of you know, which I feel like is a little bit missed.
[00:31:47] Speaker A: It is. But it's also probably safer for you to just understand what's going on. Like, for those who don't know, easier.
[00:31:52] Speaker B: We don't need to get into him having multiple personalities or a secret identity or whatever.
I feel like that was the power of the time was always this, like going from being an average person to being like super.
You know, you have your Clark Kent everyday reporter to Superman type thing. And that's a lot of the he man side of it. But like, at the end of the day in the movie, it makes a hell of a lot more sense to just have him be he man and not mess with the rest of it.
[00:32:19] Speaker A: So 1987, Globus, the parent company, I guess, announced a sequel, Masses in the Universe 2 at the 1987 Cannes Film Festival.
Despite.
Despite Lundgren's refusal to reprise the role, reportedly because he disliked the first film and instead chose to star in Cannon's red scorpion. In 1989, they had cast Laird Hamilton as his replacement.
[00:32:49] Speaker B: I could see instantly if you're not gonna have Dolph Lunder and back just not doing the movie.
[00:32:53] Speaker A: Financial troubles. After the box office failures of masters Universe and Superman 4, the company refused to pay Mattel royalties for their characters. So Mattel was not pleased in the sequel script and the whole strip was canceled. The film rate thus reverted to Mattel to avoid wasting the sets and costumes already prepared for the sequel. In an unmade Spider man film can produce a low budget movie starring Jean Claude Van Damme, which they titled Cyborg.
So Cyborg was created using the sets and from a canceled Spider man film they were supposed to do. And he.
So technically, if you want to say it, Cyborg is the sequel to this movie.
[00:33:34] Speaker B: I'll kind of go on.
[00:33:36] Speaker A: That's kind of funny. It also shows Hollywood. It also shows Hollywood in the sense that like you mentioned the idea, like we had some parts left over a nose left over from Dark Crystal. So we'll just like buy that off of the people who do it all used in this movie.
[00:33:47] Speaker B: But like, so, I mean, the horror
[00:33:50] Speaker A: planning for it, not doing it, it's pretty crazy. Yeah.
[00:33:53] Speaker B: That is nuts. The horde armor definitely has stormtrooper vibes.
[00:33:58] Speaker A: Yes, it does.
[00:33:59] Speaker B: Wonder if it was something being reused.
[00:34:01] Speaker A: Well, the blasters, but I didn't notice
[00:34:02] Speaker B: until the high death that horde armor does actually have like a horde symbol on the chest plate. And I was like, oh, that's cool. That's a cool addition that you. I never noticed on vhs, like, because I don't.
Liz got me this on DVD one year for Christmas and I watched it again, but still now that, like, to see in high depth was like, oh, okay. That's actually cool piece to be put in the movie,
[00:34:25] Speaker A: kind of. Well, there's like, certain things you're like, I don't know, man. Sometimes they don't do. Like, this translated well to high def. Like when someone. This here's the thing. When someone, someone. Years and years and years ago, this
[00:34:34] Speaker B: translated better to high depth, I feel like, than Terminator did.
[00:34:36] Speaker A: Oh, yes. Yep.
[00:34:37] Speaker B: Terminator was high. Definitely was like, wow.
[00:34:40] Speaker A: Someone told me the other day that was like. They were like, when the f. When the other day, a while ago, when the first, like, 1080p TV hit the market and I was working at Circuit City and someone was like, this is amazing. And some made a joke, like, now I can watch my porn. And high definite. I'm like, I don't know if you want to do that.
I think there's certain things that are designed for low definition and you're going to be happy with that. Like, I don't want to know about that. But certain things, like they did obviously in 1987, weren't planning for this to
[00:35:07] Speaker B: be,
[00:35:09] Speaker A: you know, like, remastered into a point where you're going to be able to see it in high definition. And so. But also, they also didn't skimp by putting the logo on the shirt and you can't see it in the final version on VHS that. Well, it's cool because they could have skipped on that and they just.
And again, I don't think that this is not one of those movies that you'd watch anybody who's, like, really picky about movies from the 80s, and you'd go like, the movie itself. There's a couple of things, like I mentioned the slowness of things or whatever,
[00:35:38] Speaker B: and it screams 80s.
[00:35:39] Speaker A: Like, there is a couple spots where you're like. But like, blasters. Yes.
[00:35:47] Speaker B: We just got the Nintendo Zapper and put some crap on it.
[00:35:52] Speaker A: I also love that he man has a sword and he man has, like, again, no clothes on, but yet he has a blaster that can fire a laser shot. Like, to me, I'm always like, oh, I feel like he'd probably.
[00:36:03] Speaker B: If you're so much universe Justin, don't be shaming.
[00:36:06] Speaker A: But if someone's trying to shoot. If someone's trying to shoot a laser at you, wouldn't you try to, like, at least do something so it didn't hit Your bare skin.
[00:36:12] Speaker B: Well, you have the sword for.
[00:36:14] Speaker A: I. I understand that, but sword deflects them.
Isn't there like sparks that would come off of it? Like little sparks?
[00:36:20] Speaker B: When you're that chiseled, it just doesn't matter.
See, I understand where Dolph Wonder comes from. That's why I never take my shirt off.
[00:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
[00:36:28] Speaker B: That chiseled and. And lubed up in baby oil.
[00:36:32] Speaker A: Is it that or does it bother you? Is it that or is it too hard to get off and then also too hard to get back on? Is that.
[00:36:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that'd probably be it too. Yeah.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: Well, I was just saying the other day, I was like, funny that like
[00:36:42] Speaker B: all the hordes in armor, all the other troops in armor and he man runs around. Yeah. Naked.
[00:36:48] Speaker A: Even. Even Superman wears something, man. Like. Like, let's be honest here. Like, Superman is bump as hell.
[00:36:56] Speaker B: Like, he man. You'd be running around in your thong too.
[00:36:58] Speaker A: Luke Cage wears at least a tight T shirt. Like, what's going on here, man? Like, let's go. Like, he man's over there, man.
[00:37:04] Speaker B: It's a lot of cocaine. It was the 80s.
[00:37:06] Speaker A: Yeah. He Man's over there in like suspend and nothing like his suspenders. Well, I guess he has the suspenders to hold his underwear up.
[00:37:14] Speaker B: Yeah, you have to have that to keep the cape and the sword on.
[00:37:16] Speaker A: Yeah, I want to see Deadpool in that outfit.
Have his swords in the back and there's a thong. He would wear G strings. That's the thing is. That's the difference.
Would wear a G string. I say Will Wilson, but also Ryan Reynolds would probably wear a G string for that too. But like. But no, like, you know, when we talk, I reason I wanted to talk about this movie with you, Paul. Is not just because nostalgia. Just because it's again, not a star movie. Like, not a movie that's like, oh my God, it's what a classic movies needs to be in.
[00:37:43] Speaker B: Like, no, I don't. I don't think a lot of people even knew this existed really. Is.
[00:37:47] Speaker A: Is because the movie's coming out this summer and so there's a connection to it. Just like the next movie we'll probably discuss is Supergirl, and that's because the super bowl girl movie is coming out this summer. So like, there's this need to go back and watch that.
[00:37:59] Speaker B: When I was a kid, I feel like I did. I feel like I probably saw Supergirl as a kid, but I don't.
[00:38:03] Speaker A: I've never seen it. So like, to me it's like that I gotta watch it for the first time. Which probably you remember seeing it.
I like, I said I'd seen it.
[00:38:10] Speaker B: You saw at some point long time ago.
[00:38:12] Speaker A: And that was like, that's why that scene stuck in my head. And I never could remember which movie, you know, like that you always like, this is the movie you put it in. Like, they never happened in that movie. And it's like finally it got to the point where that scene came and I was like, so excited for that scene. For no, they're eating chicken. Like, what the hell? And I'm also surprised, like, there's not like a sponsorship of KFC in there or something like that.
[00:38:28] Speaker B: Like, why is there not Robbie's ribs?
[00:38:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was. It was an interesting. But like, that's the reason.
[00:38:34] Speaker B: Delicious. I was like, so they're vegetarian? You know, obviously man at Arms doesn't care, but Gwildor and Telo are both sort of disgusted with the idea this was an animal they're eating. So they're vegetarians. The hell does he man eat for protein? Because that dude is ripped.
[00:38:49] Speaker A: Well, that also like, so they're vegetarians. You know a vegetarian. I know a vegetarian. Right. We know some vegetarians.
None of them are surprised or none of our friends that eat no meat or surprised that people eat meat.
[00:39:04] Speaker B: So, like, my thought is like, apparently on Eternia there's.
[00:39:07] Speaker A: There's nobody eats any meat.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: Eating any meat. Yeah, evidently. That was a. A weird.
I don't know. That was a weird add on.
[00:39:15] Speaker A: Did you Google what does he man eat
[00:39:19] Speaker B: now? I kind of like, wait. In the cartoon series, did they ever eat, like they had like a whole Christmas episode. Are they eating ham or turkey on it?
[00:39:27] Speaker A: Funny enough, he man isn't exactly known for sitting down and eating meals.
Okay, that's also so Adam normally a fantasy kingdom food, which is roasted meats, bread and fruit, and big castle banquets.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: So like, so in the car, he eats me.
[00:39:46] Speaker A: In the cartoons. I wonder someone on the film. So one of the writers was vegetarian, you know that.
[00:39:50] Speaker B: Vegetarian? Yeah, yeah. There was like some. Some piece of sort of propaganda they wanted to add to this of like, anti eating meat.
[00:39:58] Speaker A: I didn't realize it. You didn't realize it? Right before the. Right before the. The post credit scene, it said this movie was sponsored by PETA. You didn't see that?
They don't use that on my things. Like, even he man was a vegetarian. That's. They should have like, put out.
[00:40:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Really? Yeah.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: Well, I guess he wasn't Part of that scene was he.
[00:40:15] Speaker B: Promotion.
[00:40:16] Speaker A: Was he part of that scene, though? It wasn't. It was man in Arms.
[00:40:19] Speaker B: It was man at Arms. Tila and Goldor.
[00:40:21] Speaker A: Goldor. So he wasn't part of that season
[00:40:23] Speaker B: putting it to him. And that's when I wonder why they put their food on these little sticks. He's like, that's a rib bone. She's like, this used to be an animal.
[00:40:31] Speaker A: And he's like, it was animal or alive.
[00:40:33] Speaker B: This used to be. Yeah, alive, whatever. And he was like, yeah. Huh? And she's like, oh, barbaric world. And she throws it down and then she. Like, it tasted good.
[00:40:45] Speaker A: This creepy little creature. It was also offended by it.
[00:40:48] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. He was, like, sort of upset. He's like, it tastes good. He's looking at. But when they first land on Earth, they encounter a cow that's, like, mooing and gold. There's like, oh, this poor beast is like, cry. And he's, like, trying to communicate with the cow.
[00:41:01] Speaker A: Like, I would have loved barbecue sauce
[00:41:04] Speaker B: out of the container. So take it all for what it's worth.
[00:41:06] Speaker A: I would love Ben At Arms to be like, yeah, you should try whatever Creature Grill door is. You should try that on its own. That's pretty good.
[00:41:13] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, I love. He's like, never think when you're hungry.
[00:41:18] Speaker A: But yeah, I mean, it has the tropes of what a movie would be like for the 80s. You have this. Create these characters, specific characters. You have this. They're in a predicament. They have this one thing that will save it. They've happened upon the guy that can save them because they obviously can't. The tones are all messed up. And so, like, they need to get the tones. And he remembered it. And it foreshadowed that a lot.
Right? They foreshadowed them finding it, putting the sounds in his keyboard and all that stuff. Like, they obviously foreshadowed that a lot. And he could save the day and so on and so forth. And no one else was to the wiser.
[00:41:50] Speaker B: Right.
[00:41:50] Speaker A: I mean, no one in this world knew this thing happened because obviously they
[00:41:54] Speaker B: went back in time. Back. Yeah.
[00:41:58] Speaker A: They should have been, like, Wanted some missing signs. Like, where is this guy? All of a sudden? Now he's just gone.
[00:42:04] Speaker B: This one scene that got me.
For anyone who doesn't know anything about firearms, I watched. When I watched this later, I was like, what the hell is he doing? Because it looks cool that he. The shotgun.
He gets a shotgun from the. From the record store. He's like, you Got something in case you get robbed. And he's like, yeah. He has a gun on the counter. He takes a shotgun. So he talks it to make sure there's a round in it. He walks outside, here are all the troops. And he's like, please freeze. And he. The shotgun again. Well, now we just in the way shotguns work. He just emptied another round out of it. He this thing so many times because it looks cool. There isn't a single round left for him to fire in this shotgun. When he finally starts shooting at bad guys when they get to Eternia, like, there's no way to say. I just love the scene where just every time he's.
That's like between that and Kevin telling him this is real. This, dear Lord, Holy crap.
[00:42:57] Speaker A: Well, that's. That's funny. There's also like a shotgun versus laser blasters. I'm like, I just don't know.
[00:43:02] Speaker B: Like, I'm thinking the shotguns going to do much against these guys. Armor like that should have just done nothing in theory because stick to a knife fight.
[00:43:10] Speaker A: Like, you're gonna bring a knife fight. You're gonna bring this little stick to it and be like, I got you. Come on, poke you. I'll bring a. I'll bring a. What's it called, a fencing sword to this knife fight. And see how that.
[00:43:18] Speaker B: Yeah, you bring the fencing sword and then. And then he pulls out his sword and you're like, yeah.
[00:43:22] Speaker A: You're like, whoa.
[00:43:23] Speaker B: Yeah. I don't think that shotgun was not going to do a hell of a lot against these alien troops.
[00:43:30] Speaker A: It's.
But it was fun. I guess the thing is, like, it's one of those things that was fun.
[00:43:35] Speaker B: That was why I wanted to watch this movie and, and see what you had to say and where it came out with on this. Because I. I just think this is a fun movie.
Got it for me on DVD for Christmas one year. I was like, oh, my God, Master, the universe has been found. Because, like, I had had it on VHS and then I hadn't watched it for years. And when I watched it again on dvd, I was like, this is still fun. And watching it now for this podcast, like, still fun.
[00:44:00] Speaker A: And I'm wondering if sales will go up. Like, I wonder if like the DVD sales and Blu Ray sales and things like that will go up. I don't think it's available for streaming anywhere, last time I checked.
I want to say I went on
[00:44:09] Speaker B: Amazon and I couldn't find it.
[00:44:11] Speaker A: I think I went on Amazon because they usually link The Amazon link, because it's the easiest link to link to people. And there was. I think it's just like not available in your area. Like, it's like not available in the United States. It might be available like UK or like Australia.
So you have to buy the by physical media, which is cool in my opinion, because that's like another. Like, it's just also nostalgic to that part.
[00:44:30] Speaker B: I don't think you'll regret owning Masters of the Universe.
[00:44:33] Speaker A: No. And I think it's one of those ones you could watch over and over again. I will at one point show Nova, maybe Riley, about this movie and how it's like history.
And again, we'll see comparisons coming up here in a couple of months. Even more. Even though I will be interested to
[00:44:48] Speaker B: see the new one and see if I think it is actually better than the Dolph 101.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: The thing about it is it's like it's a different movie. Like, it's not. Like it's not as different as the new Mario movies compared to the 1993 Mario movies. Like, that's the completely different style of filming.
They did get some pretty unknown, like Tila is Camellia Mendez.
Skeletor is Jared Leto.
Alyssa Alison Brie, who I like is Evelyn.
He man is Nicholas Galentinezine.
I've like never heard no. Which is good, in my opinion. I love that. Paul. You don't want. I love Dolph Lundgren, but like, you can't to have him not be anybody, really.
It makes it so much better.
[00:45:34] Speaker B: I feel like nowadays when you're playing iconic characters, it is generally easier to find someone who's not recognized.
[00:45:41] Speaker A: He's been in, I don't know, 10 movies since 2014, but they've all been like, none, Red, White and Royal Blue, which is like a probably a Hallmark movie.
He was in where I just see Cinderella. The Cinderella live action. She was Prince Robert.
He was in the Sheep Detectives. I don't know what the hell that was. Well, that's actually coming out. It's not even out yet. And he's in the mosquito bowl, which I don't know what that is either. And. Oh, a sequel to Red, White and Royal. This is Red, White and Royal Red Wedding.
[00:46:10] Speaker B: It was so good. It got a sequel. It's more than we can say for our masters in the universe.
[00:46:13] Speaker A: Yes. Right. So he's in this. I actually am happy about the fact that he's kind of a nobody because that makes it more like you could see him as E Man. More Than he was Harry Potter or, you know, whatever.
[00:46:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it's really hard to see Daniel Radcliffe anything and not see Harry Potter. Pedro Pascal playing Mr. Fantastic. All I could sort of see was Pedro Pascal. Not because he's just so famous.
[00:46:35] Speaker A: And the same thing with T. Sorry. Yeah. Tila is not anybody. I mean, she was in a couple of movies that you wouldn't really know. Palm Springs, Coyote Lake, New Romantic. So she's not in anything that's like, like I said, a big deal. She was on Riverdale, the TV show. She was Veronica.
[00:46:55] Speaker B: I was very popular. I haven't watched it, but it's very popular right now.
[00:46:58] Speaker A: But movie wise, she wasn't much in it. So I like that. And then Gerald Leto, you know, he's got to try to rehab against being morbius.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: Like that's where I feel like this movie could flop because he is kind of bombed every single superhero related thing he's done. So
[00:47:14] Speaker A: do you know the budget of the new film compared to the old film?
[00:47:17] Speaker B: That's a hell of a lot more than the budget on this one.
[00:47:20] Speaker A: The budget is 170 to 200 million dollars maybe.
[00:47:26] Speaker B: Man, can you imagine books I could buy with that.
[00:47:29] Speaker A: Kristen Wiggs in it too. Idris Elba's in it too.
[00:47:33] Speaker B: I remember seeing the Christian wig was Allison Brie, so.
[00:47:36] Speaker A: But I don't have a problem with some of these people being like lesser characters that show up here, you know?
[00:47:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:45] Speaker A: Oh. Idris Elba's man at Arms.
[00:47:47] Speaker B: I mean, Masters of the Universe has a pile of just oddball characters.
[00:47:52] Speaker A: Oh, it looks like Deadpool's girlfriend.
[00:47:57] Speaker B: Okay. Yep.
[00:48:00] Speaker A: Marina Barcaran is Sorceress and Idris Elba is Duncan Slash, man at Arms and was.
[00:48:11] Speaker B: This is what I never know too demand arms. Ever have them?
[00:48:14] Speaker A: I don't know.
Christian Wiig is Roboto.
[00:48:18] Speaker B: Yeah, that was weird. That's right. That's right. She's playing Roboto or like voicing Roboto, which was odd.
[00:48:25] Speaker A: So they're not even putting Oracle on this. That's pretty interesting.
Now they have the technology to do
[00:48:33] Speaker B: workout like watching the cartoon or goes weird and sort of.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: Yeah, maybe that's fine.
[00:48:39] Speaker B: It doesn't like Orko doesn't necessarily fit the plot of the Master of the Universe.
[00:48:44] Speaker A: Okay. Do you want to know that? You want me to read the plot really quickly? The premise.
So after being separated for 15 years from the Sword of Power, the Sword of Power leads Prince Adam back to Eternia, where he discovers his home shattered under the fiendish rule of Saltor. To save his family from his. In his world, Adam must join forces, his closest allies, Teela and man in arms, and embrace the true destiny as he man, the most powerful man in the universe. So it's like redemption story in a sense. Like you just, you know, after many, many years of it.
[00:49:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, that's, I guess, sort of the gist of the cartoon series to a degree. It's always defending Castle Grayskull and defending.
[00:49:21] Speaker A: I'm saying, I'm thinking we're going to see battles in this, I think too. And I think we're going to see some pretty epic stuff. That's not like you're. You're talking. This is more grounded to earth. This is like he man meets Hell's Kitchen, you know, and this is more the. The newer movies, like, gonna be bombastic and probably like epic. More epic battles and more epic now.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: Yeah, now you can do all of Eternia and do multiple sets and stuff. And not really, but I wouldn't mind
[00:49:45] Speaker A: like having this like, fish out of water being like all of a sudden. I know at the end of the movie to get set down in New York center.
[00:49:50] Speaker B: Courtney Fox is like, not again.
[00:49:54] Speaker A: They set the earth and they're like, they fall and they land on Courtney Cox's parents house and just kills them again. Like, what the.
No, but I don't know, I can see it like, it's gotta make $400 million.
[00:50:07] Speaker B: Courtney Cox had a like, cameo role.
[00:50:10] Speaker A: Yes. Or Corny Cox and Dolph Lunger, like, both of them would be like, amazing to see like randomly in the movie. But. But they have to make what, $400 million, Paul, to make this. Like, you can't like $200 million budget plus all the marketing expenses that you don't hear about, which are in the hundreds.
[00:50:23] Speaker B: Oh, my God. Yeah. 100%.
[00:50:26] Speaker A: You're thinking 400, $500 million where you have to make. When you have a budget that big
[00:50:30] Speaker B: and like, you better be able to make licensing product, you better be able to sell T shirts and action figures.
[00:50:37] Speaker A: And are people clamoring for this?
[00:50:39] Speaker B: I mean, I don't know.
[00:50:41] Speaker A: I was looking at the Master Universe trailer to see how much has been watched. Okay, so the trailer that was released three weeks ago had 26 million viewers.
[00:50:48] Speaker B: So.
[00:50:48] Speaker A: And the one that was released 33 months ago has 38 million viewers.
So. Okay. Okay. I think there's some people who want it. I mean, we all want it. I'll see it. I'll watch it for sure. Because you know, anything to do with like pop culture and adaptations of animated series, all that stuff is great.
[00:51:04] Speaker B: I mean, I probably for most people,
[00:51:06] Speaker A: it's probably better than the Masters of the Universe TV show that came out.
[00:51:09] Speaker B: I don't know if I'm gonna run to the theater for it.
[00:51:11] Speaker A: No, I don't think so either, but,
[00:51:13] Speaker B: but yeah, I'll watch it. Yeah, I might.
[00:51:15] Speaker A: You know, we'll see.
[00:51:16] Speaker B: Liz loves going to the movies. So if it's just a.
We really want to go to the movies and it's out right now to hell.
[00:51:24] Speaker A: Two stars is what I gave it.
Are you higher or lower?
[00:51:31] Speaker B: Oh, I'm higher.
[00:51:32] Speaker A: Oh, come on. So I understand it, but there's like this, I don't know, I, I, the movie itself. All right, it's like a one star.
[00:51:41] Speaker B: My childhood nostalgia out of this whole thing. I still feel like this is like three and a half stars. I feel like it's still fun. I feel like the plot is acceptable. Like it's not. It's never a. I can't watch any more of this. This is too stupid. And shut it off.
I feel like the effects are 80s and hold up for 80s fun.
Like you have the scenes with the blasters or the scenes with Skeletor using his magic that are all like very nah. But they don't overdo that stuff.
So I, yeah, I go three and a half stars. And honestly, for nostalgia vibes, I would definitely go four stars. But I think of a realistic. Let's try to step back. I still go three and a half stars. I don't think you could find a better actor than Dolph Lundering.
[00:52:26] Speaker A: No, no.
[00:52:29] Speaker B: He's huge, muscle bound, massive guy. Sword fighting in Skeletor looks awesome.
[00:52:36] Speaker A: Skeletor is a saving grace to this day.
[00:52:38] Speaker B: Skeletor looks awesome.
[00:52:39] Speaker A: Skeletor is the star of this movie. And I think the problem is, is that I hated Gwildor so much that,
[00:52:47] Speaker B: you know, Golder was a lot. But I don't think he ruined the movie.
[00:52:50] Speaker A: But here's so, so would it have just been just as funny as the guy who played Gildor to be a small person in a he man style
[00:52:59] Speaker B: outfit making those jokes rather than the, the creature?
[00:53:03] Speaker A: Like, I feel like if you just added another human being, it was just a human. You know how like technically Boba Fett, I mean, yeah, like the first Star wars movie, Jabba the Hutt was supposed to be just a dude and they replaced him with the animal and it obviously became an iconic looking character.
Yeah, but, but this Feels like they did the same thing being like, oh, it could have been a person, but it's like. Or we could have used Orko as Orko, but as a small person or
[00:53:30] Speaker B: something just dressed like Orko, sort of
[00:53:33] Speaker A: like have a red. Have red on and like, you know, a purple something on his thing, I think that would have been better, in my opinion. But I will say, if you had to pick and we did something we do to average and you went to three and a half to four stars, and I said two, I can say we can go easily at three for this movie. If we meant to get met in the middle there, I could easily say
[00:53:50] Speaker B: that it was entertaining. I'll be fair. It's.
Right now it's not a great movie. This is definitely something I would have to put out as a guilty pleasure that I enjoy watching. And I put it on in here at the shop. A lot of times people. In fact, almost. Almost like all the time, people are like, what the hell is this? Like, I don't know if anyone's recognized it, but that's the point.
[00:54:13] Speaker A: I mean, I guess you put Super Mario Bros. On, the same thing would happen. But, like, I. That's a telltale sign. Like, if you could watch five minutes of the movie and go, what the movie am I watching? Did they do a good job at adapting it in that sense? Like, it's like. Like, you're probably gonna be. Watch five minutes of the new movie and be like, oh, this is He Man. But, like, I don't know. There's obviously more color.
[00:54:31] Speaker B: Like, how recognizable is he man anymore? Like, he's not Heman.
He man definitely died off. Was definitely a character of the early 80s that, like, didn't withstand time.
[00:54:42] Speaker A: Like, he better hold more true to the. To the Animated Series because Kevin Smith and his crew got annihilated for doing some things differently in the Revelation.
[00:54:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. The he man fans hated Kevin Smith. I never watched it because I heard so many negative things about it that I'm like, you know what? I'm just. I'm just gonna skip this thing.
[00:55:03] Speaker A: My guess is they learned. Even if. Even if it was good, like, I have. Like I said, I have no problem. I do trust that Kevin Smith makes some good decisions. He's a fan of these things. This is not just some guy making things and doing it.
[00:55:12] Speaker B: For me, I was so surprised with the amount of hate that Kevin Smith
[00:55:14] Speaker A: got off of, is that they would learn from that lesson, though, and go, okay, we probably should do things a little bit closer and and so that's probably why they are doing something in Eternia, and they're using the characters that were supposed to be in the movie or the show and all that stuff. So I would think that it's gonna be much better in that sense. But is it gonna be the same in our minds? Like, it's gonna be a three and a half stars because the nostalgia part's not there anymore.
[00:55:39] Speaker B: And the.
When you spend that kind of money, that movie better be good.
Like, you're not gonna get a lot of forgiveness.
[00:55:46] Speaker A: You're gonna get a lot of special effects. I know that much. You're gonna get a lot of special effects in this movie, which is fine.
[00:55:51] Speaker B: And maybe. And maybe that might be a problem with it. It may be all special effects.
[00:55:53] Speaker A: Yeah. But, like, I don't know.
For this kind of movie, I'm okay with it. Like, there's certain movies where I'm like, don't do it. But, like. Or don't go back and do it.
[00:56:01] Speaker B: AKA Transformers thing. The. The more and more Michael Bay went on, the more and more was your stuff blowing up and you just don't care anymore?
[00:56:08] Speaker A: No, but, like that. But also, are you pissed at the Transformers themselves being cgi? No. Because, like, how good would they have looked if they were, like, practical effects?
It would have been like celator, like, lifting so slowly. It would have been like, okay, there he goes. He's transforming Bumblebee. And he's like.
It's like that guy in the cardboard box at a comic convention who has the thing. That's what it'll be like. It was special effects or not special effects. Practical effects. So. Yeah. So obviously there's certain movies that it makes sense to do. And also, don't go back and remaster masters in universe 1987 by adding special effects like they did with Star wars. Because I just. There's no reason to. It looks worse. It doesn't work well. Yeah, so. So again, I'm not worried about having too much special effects in this new one, because it's 2026. I'm pretty sure they use it every freaking movie. And so it's just. If it's to the point where, like, he man itself is full scenes of him cgi, then that will be a problem.
[00:57:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is something I'm nervous of.
[00:57:02] Speaker A: When you don't need to.
Like, he man's a. Like, it's like a looks like a person. Like, it's a human. Like, it's not like you need to have.
[00:57:08] Speaker B: Like, this is a Dude, his name's Adam.
[00:57:11] Speaker A: His name's Adam.
Cool. So I can see that.
Yeah. He man or not he man. It's also weird how they didn't put the word he meant in the title of the movie.
[00:57:20] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not he man at all. It's just master.
[00:57:22] Speaker A: And that's probably. I would think that hurt them in the box office.
[00:57:26] Speaker B: It might have. Yeah, it possibly did. You know what's funny too, is, like, in all of my time of doing this collectible side stuff, I have never seen any merch from this movie at all besides the couple action figures. Blade.
A couple action figures, but that's it. There's no, like, McDonald's run of stuff like the 80s. Everything got a run like hell. They were promoting Demolition man with toys and action figures and all this sort of stuff. A demolition man is 100 not for children.
[00:57:59] Speaker A: And they did sell a combined character. I don't know. I was. I think it was for Revelations, though, recently there was Oracle and Grill Door in the same package, which is kind of funny.
But. Yeah, you're right, though. Again, I don't think the toys actually, like, it didn't. Like, there was like, a way to help sell the other. It was probably because they didn't want to manufacture anything new. They wanted to sell all the they still had. So they're like, we're gonna make this live action movie, but go to the stores and buy the he man that you're not seeing in the movie. But, like, at least the name is connected in that way.
[00:58:28] Speaker B: But I want to get a man. You already have he man at home.
[00:58:31] Speaker A: Well, to me, as a parent, yeah,
[00:58:33] Speaker B: it was funny that they didn't even when they did them, they didn't market the figures in any difference. They literally use the same molds they already had to make Blade and to make the Lizard dude. And all of them, they are this cell same Master the universe figures. They weren't like rebuilding, branding, making them into GI Joe size or anything like that. Trying to do like the toy biz X Men run of Figs. It was just here's the exact same.
Honestly, pretty crappy he man mold with these guys on it.
But yeah, there's no. There's no anything of this movie.
[00:59:08] Speaker A: That again, to me, if they made a my kid look, he doesn't like Bluey. But say it's Nova like Bluey.
And they made a movie that was like the family's house name without the name Louie in it.
Would you as much known without seeing a trailer or seeing an Advertisement for it, just hearing the name of it go, that's what I gotta go bring my kid to do. He's a huge he man fan or whatever like that. To me, it was like, if you didn't know it was called he man in the Masters of the Universe, you
[00:59:34] Speaker B: just simply being Universe, you have no idea.
[00:59:36] Speaker A: Master Universe thing is a secondary thing to it. So it's like one of those things. Like, did that not help with marketing is the fact that, like.
[00:59:41] Speaker B: I'm sure it didn't. I'm sure I didn't do it any
[00:59:43] Speaker A: favors, but, I mean, nowadays this is just called Masters of the Universe as well. So it's not like. It's not called he man and Masters Universe. And I don't know, like, it's not. It's just called Masters of the Universe, too. It's not like Revelations or. Or anything like that. It's just literally called Masters of the Universe, which is also kind of annoying to me. Just like they do, like, Scream years after making Scream, and really it's Scream 6, but they just called it Scream. And I'm like, what the hell are you doing? You're scripture or Fast and the Furious. And it's the Fast and the Furious. And you do one called Fast and Furious.
[01:00:11] Speaker B: I'm like, okay, all of the Supermans, because they never made Superman, the Superman movie, or it was called.
[01:00:17] Speaker A: The first one was called Superman the movie. This new one's called Superman because they actually never made a movie called Superman. Yeah, well, they actually have never made a movie called Batman either.
[01:00:27] Speaker B: Wasn't the 89 one? It's just Batman.
[01:00:29] Speaker A: Oh, Batman. You're right. Yes, it is Batman. Yeah.
What's funny how you say that? It's like, I always think of Batman. 89.
[01:00:35] Speaker B: Okay, so here's one for you. Before we call it a day. Are you excited about the new Clay Face movie?
[01:00:40] Speaker A: Yes. Really? Like, a lot. And you knew. Who's ready? The new Clayface comic book.
Now I'm gonna forget their name. Jude Ellison S. Doyle, the one that rates like a bunch of horror stuff for Boom and stuff like that.
[01:00:51] Speaker B: Perfect.
[01:00:52] Speaker A: I just found that out the other day. But, you know, I'm excited to play Face.
[01:00:57] Speaker B: So exciting to do a DC, like, horror movie. And they said, this is a horror movie. This is not a super movie. This is a horror movie.
[01:01:04] Speaker A: Say what you will about James Gunn, Clayface.
[01:01:07] Speaker B: There was like, when it first started coming out about it, it was assumed that it was going to be a Batman movie. And I was like, I don't want to see Clayface in Batman. Like, Clayface is not a villain. I really like that much. Like, he's like the weird. I was like Batman more against humans and weird. Crazy.
So when we got Clayface the horror movie, now I'm like, okay, well, now I'm sort of interested to see what the hell this is and does.
[01:01:33] Speaker A: But I'm saying, well, as I said, say what you about James Gunn, like, the. What he has brought the Marvel architecture over to is superhero movies that are other genres. And so like that to me is like a comedy superhero movie and a drama and an action and a. In a horror. Like, that's what he was. They were able to do at Marvel with like Guardians of the Galaxy being like straight up comedy and like Ant man being a heist movie. That's a superhero movie. Like, there's too many people.
[01:01:58] Speaker B: They were gonna try to do Gambit as a romantic comedy, which glad did not happen.
[01:02:02] Speaker A: Well, I mean, the Roman Gamut and Rogue, if they. If they did like the whole series, that was the comic book series. Gambit and Rogue was kind of like that too. They live together and all, you know, but like the idea of saying superhero is a genre, it's not. It's a sub genre, in my opinion. It's the. The. Each movie is an action movie that is actually a superhero, contains superheroes. Like, Clayface is gonna be a horror movie that features super characters. And I think that's what's cool about it. I'm excited for it. I will tell you, Paul, the most anticipated comic for me to read for the rest of this year is absolute Green Arrow.
[01:02:36] Speaker B: I can't wait for that. Yep, that looks awesome.
[01:02:38] Speaker A: I'm just reading the solicitation for it and the whole idea behind it. I'm like, they. I don't think it would do well in the main universe, but like to be able to start over and do this like eco horror, mystery, murder mystery style comic book and an absolute.
It is gonna be phenomenal in my opinion. Porn sack doing it. It's gonna be amazing.
[01:03:00] Speaker B: The all of just the imagery of this.
[01:03:02] Speaker A: Oh, dude. It's gonna be amazing when we do
[01:03:05] Speaker B: our year in review. Does is that gonna be the book of the year?
[01:03:08] Speaker A: Like, I don't know, man. And I just read last night, I read Operation Iron Coffin, the next book on the IDW Dark One, the first one that's like its own thing because obviously Beneath the Trees was already made or something. And then you have like smile and in event horizons in 30 days a night, like These are all like, properties. This is their first like original one out since Beneath the Trees. And it's fun. It's. It's Nazis in, In Dracula. And it seems so crazy, but it's like Dracula got brought back to life or life with its powers like you.
[01:03:40] Speaker B: You start. The more you learn about World War II and the Nazis and stuff, they. Hitler had this whole belief in like dark magic and all of this weird stuff. So it's very easy to say tie in Dracula to Nazis, but Dracula is
[01:03:52] Speaker A: a different version of Dracula because it's a Dracula set on redemption. Because when Dracula actually died and went to hell, he didn't realize how bad it was going to be. So the hell, the devil creature, the underworld creature, gives him the opportunity to redeem himself by going and actually destroying all the vampires and destroying bad people like Nazis and things like that. And so he's actually like a good character in a sense, but he gets
[01:04:16] Speaker B: more of the hero of the story.
[01:04:17] Speaker A: But the Nazis are creating vampire hordes.
[01:04:20] Speaker B: Dracula over. Over Nazis. That's pretty easy.
[01:04:23] Speaker A: It's, It's. Yeah. To me I'm like, it's not very like, I've read Nazi stories. I've read vampire stories and Dracula stories, but like, to like mold them together was really kind of cool. And it's. The guy, the guy who's writing it is also the guy who's co writing Power Rangers Unlimited with our buddy Joey Esposito, which is pretty cool, which is awesome too. But yeah, it's gonna be fun. 20, 26, the rest of the year. I think. I think we got some cool movie reviews to do. I got. We got episode 300 coming up in the fall. We've got potentially a live episode at the shop. We got comics to talk about. We're going to do a year in the middle. It's going to be like a little past halfway, but like, we'll do a year. How is comics? How was things the first year of the year?
[01:04:57] Speaker B: Comics and Galactic Comics and the world
[01:05:00] Speaker A: and all that stuff.
[01:05:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:05:01] Speaker A: And so I'm excited. But yeah, Master of the universe. Go rent, I guess rent the dvd. Not possible anymore. But go buy the dvd because be honest with you, it's probably in the five dollar Bin at Walmart. So just go buy the deal.
[01:05:15] Speaker B: I don't know how l found out. I'm assuming she probably got off Amazon or something. Maybe. Maybe bull moose. If you have a bull moose in your area to check something like that places and then use DVDs.
[01:05:25] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. Yeah.
[01:05:26] Speaker B: Watch this movie because it's.
[01:05:27] Speaker A: Watch the movie. It's fun. It's a 1980s action superhero movie. It's. It's a fun.
[01:05:31] Speaker B: I don't. I don't want to over hype this and say it's awesome, because I do think it's awesome.
[01:05:34] Speaker A: But it's like, fun.
[01:05:36] Speaker B: It's. It's fun. And if you don't understand what the 80s vibes were, this movie gives all 80s vibes.
[01:05:42] Speaker A: This was. Movie didn't win any awards. It actually did. It was nominated for Razzie, for. For the guy who played Gwildor. But, like, it never didn't win the worst movie.
I don't think it won any awards. Which. That just says something, but it means it didn't win any bad awards. It also didn't win any good awards. So it's like it sits in the middle. So that's where you should watch it also. It's like. But it's entertaining. It's entertaining. You want to see he man. He man kick some ass. And you want to see he man with no. You want to see Dolph Laundry with no clothes on? Bam.
[01:06:09] Speaker B: There you go.
[01:06:10] Speaker A: Watch this.
[01:06:11] Speaker B: Has the most kills of any action hero. If you take, like Chuck Norris on Schwarzenegger, all. He has the most kills of any of them on screen. And I think the majority come from this movie because the. The Horde there, the stormtrooper looking dudes, he smokes those guys left and right in this thing.
[01:06:26] Speaker A: Oh, I was just at a comic convention or, sorry, a celebrity convention, an expo this weekend, and Kane Hodder was there, and David Howard Thornton, who plays Art the Clown, was on a panel with the Kane and yes, Kane. How many lives has Jason taken overall? And I don't know if this was Jason itself or Jason that. That Kate Harder played because it was 77 or something like that. Lies. Okay. And then Kane goes, what about Art the Clown? And David Howard Dorn goes, I've lost track. And then so it was like a scene where he blows up a bunch of. And so he's like, oh, how many people were in the mall? And Kane Hunter goes, no, no, no, those don't count. Physically putting your hands on how many people have you killed? Because I still don't know. And so I was like, at least, like, there's these horror films that kill lots of people. They don't have a count. Body count. But yes, some.
[01:07:18] Speaker B: Some guy went through and watched all of these movies with all of them, and yeah, Dolph Lundgren had the most, which I found surprising.
[01:07:24] Speaker A: It's pretty crazy. But. But watch it. But I'm not. If you're not gonna watch it or if you don't want to watch it by yourself, just swing by 4099 Hammond street and it'll be on the TV
[01:07:33] Speaker B: in the background screen. There's a good chance and you can file a request. We'll put it on for you.
[01:07:38] Speaker A: And there's new comics and all that stuff coming to us. This is a whole comic related thing. Watch the animated show. He man has a historic history. It's a thing that years and years, hundred years from now, people are still going to talk about he man in this way of like pop culture, toys and all this stuff. So like it's worth watching everything with it. And I think that the cartoon's better in my opinion. But like the movie's awesome.
[01:07:59] Speaker B: I also really love the movie and was really surprised when I watched the cartoon.
[01:08:03] Speaker A: You're just.
Okay, Paul, we'll get you soon. We'll talk soon about maybe Supergirl and then we'll go from there. I don't know. This would be a fun summer. So have fun today and we'll talk this week sometime. But yeah, galactic comics and collectibles.com and 499.
Get a pizza at Angelo's and swing by and say hi to Paul at Galactic Comics. How about that? Yeah, Work, work for you.
[01:08:26] Speaker B: Can't go wrong.
[01:08:27] Speaker A: I have the power, Sam.
