#285: Supergirl (1984) Movie Review

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesandtights.com I'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. This episode is once again brought to you by our PR friends over at Galactic Comics and Collectibles at 489 Haymond street in Bangor, as well as GalacticComicsandCollectibles.com we welcome proprietor and owner of Galactic Comics and Collectibles. We welcome Paul Eaton to the podcast again to discuss and review the 1984 Supergirl movie. After losing a powerful orb color, Kara Zor El, Superman's cousin, comes to Earth to retrieve it and instead finds herself up against a wicked witch. Yeah. So we discussed this right here on this podcast. But before you listen, follow us on Facebook, Instagram, bluesky, Threads, Twitter, all those places you can rate, review, subscribe over on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you find your podcasts. You can watch the video portion of this podcast over on YouTube.com and as always, you can check out capesandtights.com for so much more. This is a discussion of the 1984 Supergirl movie with Paul Eaton of Galactic Comics and Collectibles. Enjoy, everyone. Paul, we're back again. [00:01:08] Speaker B: We're back again. [00:01:09] Speaker A: Yeah, man, it's been great. We had a comic signing at the shop on. On Saturday. [00:01:17] Speaker B: We did mini Galacticon 26. Six is in the books. [00:01:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And then we'll be back for Galacticon 27 for sure. [00:01:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:01:26] Speaker A: We just don't know when, where, how, who, all that stuff, but it will be back. [00:01:31] Speaker B: I don't think we have a single detail of this. [00:01:32] Speaker A: No. [00:01:33] Speaker B: Besides the name. We get the name. [00:01:35] Speaker A: Yeah. And we're doing it. That's the only things that we know. [00:01:38] Speaker B: That's all we got covered. [00:01:39] Speaker A: But I also feel like for those who have come to our Galacticon and. And. Or the shop or whatever, and. And seen your shop, I think this year could be good. I think that we have some options this year. I feel like 25. No, sorry, 24 was just, let's get it done. Like what we. I had a kid. Let's just do it. [00:02:00] Speaker B: Let's kick this off. Let's try this out. Yeah. [00:02:02] Speaker A: 25 was like, hey, we did it. We know kind of what we're doing. Let's start again. And then obviously you got a new shop and I bought a house. There's all kinds of stuff that happened in 26 that. That just made it be like, we're gonna wait. And so we'll do this year. So, you know, we'll get it done. And now I'm like, let's make it better. Let's figure we have some things. Let's figure some things out. And so we don't have to go back to the same location. We might. We don't have to have this X, Y and Z. And so let's just figure it out. So I'm excited. I had some, some thoughts going on in the head and see what we can do to make this happen. You, me, and our buddy Lance, who I'm kind of sad wasn't there on Saturday. I don't know, he had something going on or. [00:02:39] Speaker B: Yeah, he might have. He might have been busy. I don't know what was up with, [00:02:42] Speaker A: hey, we're not doing real Galacticon, so I'm busy. I don't want to do this. [00:02:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I got plans. [00:02:48] Speaker A: Mini Galacticon. Forget that I'm gonna do this. No, it was fun. I'm excited. [00:02:52] Speaker B: Big time. Big time. Or nothing. [00:02:54] Speaker A: It's a weird time because like, obviously my birthday and then Nova's birthday and then we have Galacticon, which, Which again, the discussion, maybe is it happening in May? Or maybe we would move it to a different month. That's one of the discussions we have. [00:03:05] Speaker B: Yeah, I think shuffling a month would be, would be good for us all. [00:03:09] Speaker A: If we move from location so we go to a different location, it opens up a lot more possibilities of when we can do it or how we could do it. And so that's, that's a, that's a talk. But we have that. I, you know, a year ago I bought my house. So it was an anniversary of that. And actually, Paul, it's the 10 year 10th anniversary. 10 years since I decided to pack my bags up in Massachusetts and move back to Maine. And so that this weekend, this past weekend was the 10th anniversary of that too. So this podcast wouldn't existed, our friendship wouldn't existed, my marriage, all that stuff, all that stuff wouldn't exist. So it's pretty exciting. And so as a celebratory thing, we watch Supergirl from 1984. [00:03:46] Speaker B: That's how we celebrated. [00:03:47] Speaker A: And to be honest with you, out of the 20 or so, whatever number of 24 we've been, we've done a lot of these. [00:03:55] Speaker B: That'd be interesting. [00:03:55] Speaker A: I'll have to go back and look at that. But I'm not counting early days when we were doing top 10 this, top 10 that. [00:04:01] Speaker B: Just movie reviews, movie reviews. [00:04:03] Speaker A: I'll have to go back and check that out and see if I can figure that number out. But this is the first one I think I actually like was like, taylor, we're gonna watch it. And that happened to me because it was my birthday weekend. And I was like, we'll watch it together. [00:04:13] Speaker B: She has to do what you want to do. So. [00:04:15] Speaker A: And she's like, cool, whatever. And we actually watched it over like three days because it's a two hour movie. [00:04:19] Speaker B: This is a two hour movie. I was telling Liz that and she was like, they didn't make two hour movies in the 80s. I'm like, they did for this one. [00:04:25] Speaker A: And it ruined, like, there's a lot that went into this that, that, that ruined things and, and causation of how successful or unsuccessful the movie was that made it so that this, this was a bad time. And two hours didn't help that at all. [00:04:44] Speaker B: No, two hours didn't do it a lot of favors. So my first and foremost, it is very bad writing. I. I will, I will accept the, the cheesy, like, backdrops in the cheesy special effects because, you know, it was 84. I don't think the casting was overall horrible. You know, for her being Supergirl, the writing of this was so bad. It was so hokey. Like, let's make sure everyone knows this is a comic book movie. Just cheesy. Doesn't. Stuff doesn't have points. Things don't add up. Just utter chaos that they're like. And no one's gonna question it. Superheroes. [00:05:29] Speaker A: It's a superhero. But like, so there's not the good CW stuff. So like the good Arrow and the good Flash and all that stuff. Not the good stuff, but the kind of cheesy CW stuff mixed with like a soap opera mixed with like Saturday morning cartoons mixed with like old fans. [00:05:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it was vintage, like series one, Star Trek, the original stuff. This felt like we used like production crews from. We use sound effects from just. Just bad. Like, I probably like watching this in high def, honestly. Probably doesn't do it a lot of favors. Like, you can see all of the backdrops and the stuff that like, definitely looks like leftover 70s TV series stuff. Like. And they're like, well, we'll just call that the. The future slash alien technology or whatever the hell it is. So maybe like, maybe vhs, maybe old school production hid some of this stuff, but boy, does it look bad. [00:06:31] Speaker A: So if you put it in a category, I would say, you know, like, we talk about this with Marvel movies nowadays, how they're like, or Marvel and dc, I should say now it's like, it's a Superhero movie. But it's really like a detective story or a crime story or a, or a heist story or a comedy or, or. Well, so. So I have it written down here, Paul. Is it a serious fantasy? Is it teen romance? Is it slapstick comedy? Or is it like a creepy magical horror story? [00:06:55] Speaker B: Which one of it covers all of them? I mean good for it. It covers all of them and added some like cheesy sci fi if you want to throw in there too. Because all of the like Phantom Zone future stuff, the city she lives in, all really, really bad sci fi looking stuff. The space travel and the ball, like all of that stuff, super bad sci fi, cheesy. [00:07:24] Speaker A: 35 million dollar budget, okay, for 1984 is pretty considerable, especially for a superhero. How much do you think that that money went into creating her home planet? Like her home area. Like that place looked like there was so much building sets and so it's not special. Like back at that is there's no way it's CGI. So that's just, that's physical sets and like 20 minutes, maybe 15, 20 minutes of the entire two hour movie. It's like, oh wow, they built this thing. [00:07:52] Speaker B: If that was today, you'd go, wow, somebody really needs to learn to 3D print better. Because so much of this stuff look like 3D printed crap. That wasn't obviously 3D printed in 1984. [00:08:02] Speaker A: But see that's what it looked like. Like it was bad into like nothing. It's like why we talked about on MOTU was like why they so much into this? Why do we do it on Earth? It's because it's cheaper to do it on Earth, right? So why would you sink so much money into not doing it on Earth? Couldn't you have done something small? And I don't know, I just what [00:08:21] Speaker B: I did feel like they were what, probably 10 to 15 minutes maybe on her first where she's on her planet or on her inner city, whatever the hell that was. [00:08:31] Speaker A: They want to call in the movie because obviously [00:08:36] Speaker B: the writing side of it, this made no sense. Power that will charge the city. And he randomly killed, takes it over to a young teenage girl who like loses it. It goes flying out the window and creates this vacuum. And then he's like, oh, we've doomed us all. Well, maybe you shouldn't be wandering around with what's a nuclear bomb or whatever the hell this thing is. [00:08:57] Speaker A: Two things on that, Paul. One, if that is so important to your way of life in your planet, your space, whatever it may Be. How is it that possible that Peter o' Toole, the actor, could go. Zaltar can go to that spot and borrow it, and no one's, like, of the wiser until something happens. Like, no one's. Like, there's not, like a security force around it. There's not some sort of vault that's locked in. Like, he just. [00:09:24] Speaker B: The city. So I'm so confused. And, like, is he in charge of this place? Is he not in charge of this place? Because she's like, how did you get it? Like, there's so many, like, just not even unanswered question, but just, like, weird writing parts that were just thrown into this. [00:09:39] Speaker A: Their attempt in this movie is to get Supergirl to Earth, right? Like, the. The plot. For moving the plot forward. We want to get Supergirl to Earth so people can watch Supergirl on Earth. That's the writer's job, right? And what it seemed like in the first 15, 20 minutes was, like, every single line and every single scene was like, just explaining how we're going to get her to Earth. Like, it was so, like, it should have just been like, something happened. Now we're on Earth. And that would have been exactly the same as how that first setup was. The first setup was like. Every line just seems so, like, far forced to say, how are we good? Because even that, like, she just, like, ran up to that ship and got on the ship and drove away. Like, there was no. Like, it was just like, how can we quickly, in 15 minutes or so, get this movie to Earth and do it without, like, any actual talent in writing this? Like, it just. It just seemed like it. Honestly, what. It seemed like if someone typed it into, like, an AI program and be like, an AI, just spit out this thing and say this line, this line, this line, this line. And then she can go to Earth. And. And. And he's like, I guess I'm in trouble now. I guess I'll go to the Phantom Zone. It was like a weird, like, how are we gonna get him? [00:10:48] Speaker B: I know I've killed all of you, but rather than sitting here and watching you die, I'll go to the Phantom Zone. [00:10:53] Speaker A: Because, like, in a normal movie, you'd [00:10:54] Speaker B: see, like, I'm getting at least to the Phantom Zone. Screw all you people. [00:10:59] Speaker A: You'd get this little, like, segment in a. In another movie of, like, some sort of, like, board or directors or, like, you know, some sort of group of people, leadership group that says you are banned to the Zone. He was like, like, cool. I guess I'm Going to jail. [00:11:17] Speaker B: Well, I'm out of here, guys. Good luck with this whole city disaster. No power thing. [00:11:23] Speaker A: I'm gonna go to the Phantom Zone, which technically I'll live forever in this crappy place, but at least my. My world won't collapse around me. Did it on purpose. I'll survive you guys. [00:11:32] Speaker B: You guys are and screwed. [00:11:34] Speaker A: But I just thought of myself, like, if you thought about Back to the Future, if like Biff Tannen was just like after he crashed his car the skateboards into the. The thing where he gets arrested in the future in the first. Like, wouldn't you just. It'd be like him just saying, cool, arrest me. I did something bad. Let's go to jail. Peace. And it was just. It was so weird. And if funny thing is about Paul is that there are some redeeming qualities of the movie which we will get to. But that setup, that beginning, if it wasn't for this or being a fan of superhero movies or movies in general and things like that, there's a good chance where I'm like, I'm not watching it. I can't watch this anymore. [00:12:11] Speaker B: No, this, this. This kicks off with the unlike like we did to Super Mario where like your. Your first 15 minutes is the only redeemable piece of it. The first 15 minutes. This is probably the worst part of this movie. Like, it improves from here. It does get better, I feel like. [00:12:28] Speaker A: But it does feel like it's four different stories in one thing that don't interconnect. It's not like they're like four different stories at some point will connect. It was like you had Selena, who is also. Again, I never understood why the hell are you adapting a comic book character? And you. You don't pick a villain from the comics. Like, how is this pot? I don't understand why you're gonna make [00:12:48] Speaker B: a stupid character character. And then because I feel like it was in Superman we're gonna give her a sidekick because Lex Luthor had this like goofy, stupid sidekick. So here's your sidekick. And randomly she's a witch somehow that happens to get the globe that apparently will our black magic for her. I guess. I mean, I suppose was like demon. I mean, demon worshiping was kind of this like big villain thing in the 80s. So I feel like it was probably just a cop out to like. I know we'll say the demon worshiper. [00:13:25] Speaker A: And I'm guessing that they really wanted to be a woman because Supergirl didn't want to die. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Right. So. [00:13:33] Speaker A: Yeah. Which do we get honestly 84 to do a movie that has a lead character superhero movie as a lead character as a woman and the lead female character as a. As a villain like that. To me, I was actually kind of like, wow. Credit for credits due. Like the fact of the matter is that they went with Superman for three movies and instead of doing some sort of other version of Superman or character created connected to Superman in a way, they went to Supergirl, which was like, oh, that's actually kind of. That's actually I credit where credits too in that sense. However, what I did end up doing was killing that era of Superman's franchise and losing them a bunch of money. So I don't know if it was a good decision to make at the time, but I will say it is that. That like, okay, it's kind of a head of their time in the sense because like they end up having a. A main character who saves the day and. And they didn't just say the woman saves the day. They saying the woman saves the day and was the villain. And so like, you know, powerful women [00:14:28] Speaker B: thought it was kind of fun. You randomly. She ends up bunked with Lois Lane's little sister. Like, that's just. [00:14:35] Speaker A: That to me screams comics though. Like, it screams like, yeah, oh, big time. [00:14:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:38] Speaker A: Forget what else is like, forget legitimate things. We're just gonna make this happen. Happenstance. [00:14:42] Speaker B: I do love that she, you know, she's the lowest lane of the. Like, she's tough and she's not gonna back down and all of that. She's definitely like little Lois. But another, you know, strong female character in this movie for it. For her best friend, I guess you end up with. [00:15:02] Speaker A: It is more believable that she is not Supergirl outside of Clark Kent just wearing his glasses. Like it is the fact that she's probably from. [00:15:12] Speaker B: So she lands and she comes flying out of the water miraculously dry, but she doesn't land. [00:15:17] Speaker A: It's a weird. Somehow she lands, but at the end of the movie she goes under the water. Did you notice that? [00:15:23] Speaker B: That I want to get to that also. I have a lot of issues with. [00:15:26] Speaker A: I'm like, wait, is she a Gungar from Star Wars? Is she like. But she. She comes from space, but she also is underwater. Just don't worry about it. [00:15:36] Speaker B: Don't ask the ship. Guess the ship crashes in the water. [00:15:39] Speaker A: But she goes into the water. But. But she goes in the water and she swims to her home. Like she goes underwater and swims to her home. [00:15:48] Speaker B: I lead to all these questions. The City is doomed without this. We won't make it a day. Well, has she been a day? Has she not been a day? How long has this guy been in the Phantom Zone? How long did she travel space? Why is the city underwater? [00:16:01] Speaker A: It's. It's a whole, like, I. So it's like Star Trek is like, [00:16:05] Speaker B: where there's weird time back up. Not that is more of the writing of, like, what the hell? [00:16:13] Speaker A: But you were saying about this. [00:16:15] Speaker B: The whole city's under this lake. It looked like. Now she's Phoenix from X Men. I guess I'm just gonna. [00:16:21] Speaker A: Well, she's like. She's like. It ends up turning into. She's a Jar Jar Banks's girlfriend, basically. And she also, like. I don't know, maybe she friends of Namor and Aquaman. But it was weird because she did land. But it's not her city that land. Her ship landed. Then she gets out of the water, and then when she finishes, she swims underwater. Not to her ship, to fly back to her ship. [00:16:48] Speaker B: And then you see the city. And I'm like, what the hell? [00:16:51] Speaker A: All I can picture is someone in the writing room that are writing this movie up. [00:16:54] Speaker B: We end with another. What the hell? [00:16:56] Speaker A: She's like, in the writing room. They're like, well, she came out of water when she got to Earth, so maybe we'll just put her back underwater. And then someone goes back there. You gotta finish this movie now. It's two hours long. Like, Cool. Yeah. [00:17:05] Speaker B: It's over. We're done here, folks. Wrap this thing up. Well, you know, city's underwater. She'll come back out of the water again. [00:17:12] Speaker A: Here's one thing, Paul. She does have that orb. So maybe the orb is some sort of, like, you put it in there and she can transport back. Like, it's like we didn't see it [00:17:21] Speaker B: fully, but, like, teleport the city to. [00:17:24] Speaker A: It's. [00:17:25] Speaker B: I guess. I guess if we're gonna write this, I guess. Right. [00:17:28] Speaker A: It's supposed to be, like, artistic, maybe. Like, it looks like she's going underwater, but then it fades to space. Do you know what I mean? Like, witch. [00:17:33] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. We could have that. I would say the witch did teleport a bunch of stuff with the orb. So Selena. So she comes out of the water completely dry, immediately discovering her powers. Crushing a rock, jumping up and down. That's like flying. [00:17:50] Speaker A: I wrote that down. I was like, how does she almost didn't know exactly what she can do. [00:17:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. All of a sudden, she's just. All right. So Then she goes into the city or whatever and sees these girls all going to school. And as she walks behind trees, her costume slowly changes and then her hair changes and all of a sudden she's now made up that she's Linda Lee. Where the hell did the costume go? Where did this other outfit come from? How does her hair change? Because it does it throughout the movie. She flies through a window or jump through whatever the hell she's doing. [00:18:32] Speaker A: She throws, she goes through the pipe. [00:18:33] Speaker B: Supergirl. [00:18:34] Speaker A: She flies to the pipe at one point and at the end of the pipe she's out. [00:18:37] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not Superman where you're flying through and he, you know, takes off the glasses and the shirt and all of a sudden he's Superman. Under. [00:18:44] Speaker A: Well, I mean, her getting the hair [00:18:48] Speaker B: color, everything all materializes out of nowhere. [00:18:51] Speaker A: If she changed on screen, maybe they might have still more tickets. No, yeah, you're right, though. Well, like, how does she know that there's a, like a first name and a surname? Like, how does she know that? Like someone needs a name like Linda Lee. She does nothing about her. [00:19:03] Speaker B: Right. [00:19:04] Speaker A: Why would she not say her name? Yeah, yeah, but so what? So like, if you think about Superman, if you think about like one of my favorite adaptations of Superman in, in recent years is honestly Smallville. And one of the reasons why I like that is because he slow. He's obviously a kid, so it's a little bit different. But he slowly learns. Oh, I have laser eyes. Oh, oh, I can fly. And then someone around him who knows him, teaches him the ways of like, you need to hide this. You can't flaunt this. [00:19:30] Speaker B: Yeah. And he's always been part Kent. Like he didn't even know. [00:19:33] Speaker A: And so this is different. She comes to Earth as an adult and comes here and now all of a sudden knows these. The other thing I thought about that, that made me go when I was talking to Taylor about it was she just knew how things worked on Earth too. Like when the, the, the, the, the fight on the street, like the fight on the street and she's like stopping things and she like sees a fire. So she swim, flies through the water tower and then the water, like, how does she know there's water in that? Like, how does she know that this is how things work? Like my 5 year old doesn't know that. And she would have the mentality of my 5 year old knows just as much about Earth as, as she, she does. [00:20:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:11] Speaker A: And she knew how to do all these things. It's like one of These things like you're suspended. So many beliefs in how she adapts to being on Earth. It should have been fish out of water. [00:20:19] Speaker B: It's like some sort of weird thing where the yellow sun makes her smarter because all of a sudden she could do the sticks world geometry, whatever the hell she said. So she knew the answer that the computer. [00:20:30] Speaker A: I could see that. But like that's just a weird way to be. Like cool. That's how she knows how to do all this and stuff. [00:20:35] Speaker B: But like, yeah, yeah. [00:20:36] Speaker A: Like why would you need to know? [00:20:37] Speaker B: She writes herself a letter from Clark to get her into the school. I like how she even know what the. Like how the typewriter works. She's over there. [00:20:47] Speaker A: What school is so like to me. Like, I understand that the getting smarter thing too. But also why does she know or think that she has to hide her identity? Nothing. Exactly. Exactly. There's like these things. We're like, we need to figure out how to make it work in the story, but we need to make the story worse. [00:21:04] Speaker B: Yeah. We pick introducing. So she's alien. You know that she's alien. She's not from here because she doesn't know what a horse is or this or that. But at the same time knows all this other stuff randomly that we just don't question this. [00:21:14] Speaker A: People eat these animals. Wait, different movie. [00:21:19] Speaker B: No, that was a different movie. [00:21:20] Speaker A: It's true though. All these things got me like disappointed in the sense because of what you got with like, we haven't. We. We meant to. We haven't just because with timing and changing and schedules and all that stuff. We never actually reviewed the Superman movie with Christopher Reeves. But like we should go back at some point and do it. But like it didn't really affect this movie because obviously he's not in it. But like it. It what they set up with the elite. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Same world, but that's about all you get. [00:21:43] Speaker A: It's. It's 1, 2 and 3. And this spins out of 3 in a way. Like this is supposed to be the. The. The spin off from three. [00:21:48] Speaker B: Have you ever watched the rest of the Superman movies? [00:21:51] Speaker A: I've watched one and two. I have not actually watched three, which is kind of weird how that. [00:21:54] Speaker B: That I don't think I've watched anything besides one, but what happened? [00:21:57] Speaker A: So one, two and three came out. They thought, oh, those are successful. Let's make this movie. And. And after this movie bombed, it lost $50 million according to the budget. That's not even cardi marketing or anything like that. Like this movie lost money they sold the franchise of Superman rights to someone else because they're like, this is done. We can't do this anymore. And to make up some of the money they lost in this movie. And so someone else. That's how the next era of Superman movies began. Four. Yep. They made four. Is there five? I don't remember, but there's a couple more. But like, the reason why is that. And so it's funny because Christopher Reeve was supposed to be in this movie originally, and then he said, no, I'm not going to do this. And so they had to quickly rewrite some of the scripts. And that's part of the problem. When you made a movie, write a script that includes someone else, then you have to write them out. And then you're like, oh, shit, now what do we do now? Because a lot of this stuff could have been taught to her by Superman. [00:22:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:49] Speaker A: Yeah. I got to tell you, you can't. You can't flaunt this. [00:22:52] Speaker B: You can't do that. [00:22:55] Speaker A: And I don't know if you noticed at the very beginning of the movie or when she lands on Earth, which, first of all, I love in this movie and in, in. In. In Superman, which came out years prior, the flying. When they're actually flying, when they're. When they're horizontal and they're flying in the time. Excellent. Like, wonderful flying. Like, it looks obviously fake at most. Most of the time. Sometimes you're like, wow, that looks pretty real. That's pretty cool. [00:23:18] Speaker B: You can definitely say a green screen in her. [00:23:20] Speaker A: Just when she jumps out of the water and does her flip. It looks like she has things attached to her hips that are just not there. And she's doing like. She's doing gymnastics things you can see at the circus, like, this is not how you would be. And so it doesn't. [00:23:30] Speaker B: Floating like Peter Pan floating. Yes. [00:23:33] Speaker A: And so, like, why they had to add that. You don't need to do that. Like, we know she's 100 flying, but. Yeah, so. So I forgot what's going with this now, but. Oh, on the. On the car. When the. When the. When the. Selena who ends up becoming Selena the sorcerer, which whatever the hell she is, she holds the orb close to the radio and it was like in Superman. So the far off galaxy, little researching mission or something like that. It's like, that's how they were like, [00:23:57] Speaker B: okay, by the way, he's not gonna be here, right? He's gone. Yeah. [00:24:02] Speaker A: And they did it again later on in the movie. They did something. [00:24:05] Speaker B: Yeah. I think there Was another radio show that. That she passed. Like, so you get both characters to [00:24:11] Speaker A: remind you to say, hey, by the way, Superman's not gonna be in this movie. And I think outside of the writing. And that could be again, you know, cause and effect outside of the writing. Not having Superman in this movie was the biggest downfall of this movie. I think that this movie would have been a better movie. Not. It doesn't have to. It doesn't be a main character. It could be that he's there. [00:24:32] Speaker B: Christopher man training, Spider man type thing. Real quick. [00:24:35] Speaker A: No, but even like just at the beginning to say, hey, hide yourself. Don't be flaunting it. Don't do this. This is how this works. Here's a sandwich. And then also, I know her. I gotta go somewhere in Tucson. But I guess if you just abandon his cousin. [00:24:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:51] Speaker A: On Earth when she's looking for this thing, that could save her thing. I guess he could go find somewhere or it could be locked up. Selena could have somehow found kryptonite and made him stuck somewhere. And that way that you don't have to have Christopher even the whole movie. And that becomes. [00:25:05] Speaker B: He's not the rescue person. It's her. She the person saving everyone. Not just, oh, and here Superman saving everybody. [00:25:12] Speaker A: I just feel like it was a weird. I don't know, I just feels like it's a weird. I feel like nowadays you have these movies that are connected, that spin out of other things where you're like. You have to connect them more. Having Supergirl just be a Supergirl. [00:25:27] Speaker B: This had a poster Superman. It had Jimmy Olsen and mentions of Lois Lane. [00:25:31] Speaker A: Well, and Jimmy Olsen is the Jimmy Olsen from the first three movies. So that's actually pretty cool too. It's like actually there is a connected tissue in that sense. And I like the Jimmy Olsen. I'll tell you that right now. It kind of. It kind of. He's not the Jimmy Olsen that I would full hearted, wholeheartedly expect to be in this. But like, okay, I can see it. It is kind of funny. He's like, what is that mountain? And he's not taking pictures of it. I thought was funny too. Like, he's pointing at it and he's like, oh my God, these mountains come out of nowhere. Aren't you in the news, buddy? Aren't you supposed to be getting these? Like, aren't you supposed to make money? [00:26:00] Speaker B: One of the best people for this stuff too. Like the photographer that gets Superman and catches all this action and yeah. Instead he's just kind of bewildered and Moves on with life. And also, I don't know if he's gonna like you dating is her little sister. [00:26:14] Speaker A: No, I don't think so. [00:26:16] Speaker B: Being against that plan. [00:26:18] Speaker A: I don't know, man. She's not here, but she doesn't know her. [00:26:22] Speaker B: I don't know where Lois is because. Because Superman's in space. Lois is. [00:26:26] Speaker A: I don't know, she's some other dude's apartment right now. He's gone. Superman's gone. Another zip code. Another area code. I mean, what was it? [00:26:33] Speaker B: Yeah, another area code. Whatever it was. Yeah, whatever the rule was there. [00:26:37] Speaker A: Yes. Special effects. Like I mentioned the flying. Obviously that's practical effects for most of the part in flying. They over put it over. Like people sped up helicopter flying. This is don't use drones back then [00:26:48] Speaker B: sets do you think they built to destroy in this movie? Because it seemed like a lot of stuff was just them just building sets and then wrecking him. [00:26:58] Speaker A: So when she saves people in the town or the road, that's the one main road. And she does the tractor and he's stuck in the claw part and he. She removes it and moves it to another spot. And then the girl riding the. [00:27:14] Speaker B: It just leaves her behind. [00:27:16] Speaker A: And then. But it was funny. It was like it didn't just slow down and stop. It slowed down with the front cloth like the arm part ripping into a building. And I'm like, why was it like we. We're gonna tear this down afterwards anyway. Might as well make it cool. And it wasn't even cool. It was just like slowly ripped it. [00:27:31] Speaker B: It would have been like, well, some friend you. You. You got this doofus guy that you. [00:27:36] Speaker A: She's still rolling. [00:27:38] Speaker B: She's still unconscious. Yeah, whatever. Sure. [00:27:40] Speaker A: But that was kind of funny. I'm like. [00:27:42] Speaker B: And also like the. The bonk of the head to go unconscious was like. She's like, oh, I'm. I'm gone. [00:27:49] Speaker A: But like, think about it. Like if you were like hated Supergirl and their shop, your comic book shop, and you had this awning out front and it was like kind of like a haha like jab at you that we're gonna destroy your awning while I save people. I understand. But it looked like the awning for like a strip club. And it was just like all of a sudden. I know it's like slowly like anticlimactic crash into this building. Like we can't crush the whole thing, Paul. But that awning. [00:28:15] Speaker B: We're gonna need to set for something later. [00:28:19] Speaker A: Yeah, someone hired them. Paul's what it Was someone hired them for demolition work. And, like, we'll just make it part of the movie. You know, just do it. You take the building down? No, but it was kind of funny. I'm, like, very interesting on that. That side of things. [00:28:30] Speaker B: And I'm watching this this morning with Emma. Emma was, like, eating her breakfast, and she's, like, watching along, and she's seeing stuff. Then she goes, wait, where does this bad guy live? And I go, in an abandoned amusement park in the 80s. Those were everywhere. Come to find out, it also is [00:28:48] Speaker A: where all the villains live. [00:28:49] Speaker B: All the bad guys always live in an abandoned amusement park. I was like, holy crap. Could you get more, like, cliche in this. This is where social lives. And then the guy, the love interest, she, Selena immediately decides is hers when he's shirtless, cutting down a tree. And then, like, what a. Like when he shows up, it was funny because I was sitting here going, man, that guy's familiar. Who the hell is he? And I looked him up, and he was Ellis on Die Hard. So I'm like, well, at the end of this, he decides to get out of the tree stuff, gets into business, develops a coke habit, and then gets killed by Hans Gruber later. All right. We have a connection. Yep. [00:29:28] Speaker A: That's what this movie. It's a connected tissue to a bunch of other things, not just this movie. Not Superman. There's less connection to Superman than it does to other movies. [00:29:35] Speaker B: It does other things. Yeah. Boy, I don't know. This. This. I definitely. Like I said, I think the writing. It's the biggest fall number one problem with this movie. I will accept the hokiness and the cheesiness and stuff from it. And, I mean, some of the hokiness of chees gets pretty bad when the. The demon gets summoned at the end and is like, I guess, pulling her. You don't really know. She's just holding her stomach or doing whatever and screaming. It's pretty bad. The trip in the Phantom Zone is pretty bad. When she's fighting nothing, it's pretty bad. The. And then flies up with the. The light post, and it starts getting hit by electricity. And Emma's like, so the light post holds electricity and then she can re. Aim it. [00:30:24] Speaker A: I go, apparently, yeah, you can picture, like, back at the. [00:30:29] Speaker B: No, we don't ask these questions, kid. We don't ask these questions. But, like. [00:30:33] Speaker A: But nowadays they do. They ask those questions nowadays, like, they do some things. But, like, back in the 80s, it was like, this is a comic book movie, so we can do whatever we want. [00:30:42] Speaker B: That's what I said. That's exactly what I said. I said this movie is written like it's a comic book, and kids read comics, and therefore, this could be as hokey and stupid as we want to write it. And that's what it felt like. Like, there's the. The beyond, all of the production stuff. The writing is the biggest problem with [00:31:00] Speaker A: this movie, and that's correct. It felt like three different movies smashed into one. It felt like. It felt like much of the best. The best acting the movie was Supergirl, which was great because you wanted to. The person that was named after. [00:31:18] Speaker B: I thought this Selena Hokey witch was sort of fun. [00:31:21] Speaker A: Well, she was fun, but I just feel like, I don't know. [00:31:23] Speaker B: Sidekick. [00:31:24] Speaker A: Yeah. I said that I wasn't going anywhere where she, like, she's like, I'm leaving now. And then she's like. Like, pushes her to the wall with like. Like a power like the Force. Add Star wars into this thing, too, with the Force. And she goes, no, I said I was staying. It's like. Like, change of. I'm not gonna go anywhere now. No, but I think she was. I thought the. The. Not the beginning part. The first 15 minutes of the movie is horrible acting and horrible writing, horrible everything. There's nothing good about that. Is right after that when she got there, that she was okay and she was good as, you know, all the characters and her. You know, she was good. But it was kind of funny because it almost seemed at moments that she was the side character in her own movie. Like, Selena was more of the actual. [00:32:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it did. It felt a lot more like Selena was more the main character of this movie than Supergirl. Yeah. And I mean, in the. Overall, she looked like Supergirl, like a blonde hair. You know, she's standing there with her hands on her hips and the whole deal and being heroic and whatever. So, yeah, I mean, I'll take it. But no, overall, I feel like Selena had more relevant screen time, at least. You know, Supergirl's doing a lot of just flying around or whatever if you're gonna go to, like, relevant screen time. I think this is more of a Selena movie than a Supergirl movie. Yeah. [00:32:41] Speaker A: And also why. It's like the. The tropes of the 1980s in movies. Why the. The heroine character has to have a love interest, too. Like, did she really need to come to Earth for, like, two weeks, if that, or whatever number of time it was here on Earth and fall in love with someone else or have someone fall in love with her and all that's like, did it need to be there? I guess it does connect somewhat with the love triangle between Selena and Supergirl. Super. [00:33:05] Speaker B: She also is just in love with this guy that's an idiot. That. [00:33:08] Speaker A: Would the movie have been different if it wasn't a love interest? She still wants to save people. She still wants to. I get this person was kidnapped and [00:33:14] Speaker B: she just accepted he had this love potions in love with her and he's. She's like, well, you know what? Whatever. You know what? You're a hunky human apparently, so we'll go with that. [00:33:23] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, it's, it's a. Just the whole thing felt like. Because I watched it in three different sittings because we were like, oh, let's watch a little bit here. And then I watched. Yeah, it was about half of it. Watched a couple minutes of it and then finished it last night. And. And because of that too, it didn't help at all thinking that it was like multiple movies into one. It felt like I was watching a TV show. A three episode TV show. [00:33:45] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:45] Speaker A: The random segments of things that don't really go together in that sense. And let's. So. So they're on Earth. They have. They're on her home planet. Or Megatron, Omegatron or whatever the fuck [00:33:57] Speaker B: it's called the orb. [00:34:00] Speaker A: And the orb gets set off. Get off. And now the Phantom Zone. The Phantom Zone is the same special effects you've seen in other superhero movies where it's. It's the flat that was pretty good. [00:34:11] Speaker B: Sorel gets sent there. [00:34:13] Speaker A: That makes sense. Okay. [00:34:14] Speaker B: That's. [00:34:15] Speaker A: That fit and tied things together and they didn't do their own version of whatever it was or whatever. Now they get to the Phantom Zone, which again, I'm glad also they call it the Phantom Zone because that is a iconic place in Superman and that. You know what it is. And so on and so forth. And Peter o', Toole, which again looked like he was just phoning in this entire experience of being the character that he is. Yeah. Is he drunk? [00:34:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:34:38] Speaker A: They imply that without actually saying that. Because I never. She asked what's in the bottle, but she never. They never actually never said it. [00:34:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:45] Speaker A: Dc, you think it's because of superhero. [00:34:47] Speaker B: Whatever. He's just like constantly. [00:34:49] Speaker A: Hey, you want to squirt? You want to squirt? [00:34:52] Speaker B: She doesn't say anything. She's. She's saying all this stuff when he's like, squirm. [00:34:55] Speaker A: I love her saying squirrel. [00:34:56] Speaker B: She's like, I feel like it Was implied that that was some sort of alcohol drug, which. Where'd all this crap come from? We're in the Phantom Zone. We got bottles, and it seems like he's living. [00:35:10] Speaker A: Okay. [00:35:11] Speaker B: He's in, like, slime this green slime that. He pulls her out, but then all of a sudden, he's somehow built the stairs in this place in a cave. [00:35:21] Speaker A: So. [00:35:21] Speaker B: What the hell? [00:35:22] Speaker A: Talk about bad writing, right? Okay, what is all this? How in the hell. This is my whole fault. Remember when I talked about the Star? Sorry. [00:35:30] Speaker B: By the way, the bad guys live over the hill over there. [00:35:32] Speaker A: There. [00:35:33] Speaker B: That's where the bad guys are. [00:35:35] Speaker A: Tmnt Stranger Things crossover comic that I. I liked. But the one thing I didn't like about it was how, like, 11 just happens to find her classmates in New York City when taking a bus with millions of people who live there. And she just happens to get off the bus and be like, hey, buddies. [00:35:50] Speaker B: Yeah, the big. [00:35:51] Speaker A: That was the same thing. How did Selena send her to the fam zone and she lands, like, feet from this guy's house, basically. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:35:59] Speaker A: And then she's like, how do they get together when she's watching them, like, through this whatever FaceTime thing that she has. Her zoom. Her zoom meeting she's having with the Phantom Zone. But how does she. She's like, oh, my gosh, they found each other like that. That seems like, again, too coincidental and perfect for it to be like. And they can't escape. So he can escape. He just doesn't want to. He didn't want to see is what it was. He just doesn't want to escape. He can, but he doesn't want to. Or does he need her? [00:36:30] Speaker B: Yeah, because so you get like, I got the Star wars, the Obi Wan. Pulling Luke up here is like, instant. And then. Yeah. There's no way out. Well, there's just one way. I know, but there's no way out. And I was like, so wait, as long as you want to climb up the vacuum cleaner, you can go. Like, basically, that's the gist. Like, and the whole time I was waiting for this, like, heroic him saving her. Like, like, no way one person could get out with two people but won't have to sacrifice themselves. I was waiting for that. And yeah, he goes. But it didn't seem like he sacrificed himself. It just sounded like he didn't have a good grasp on this rock. [00:37:04] Speaker A: He was too drunk. [00:37:07] Speaker B: Well, anyway, cool. [00:37:08] Speaker A: Moving on. [00:37:12] Speaker B: I can't go up this light here. [00:37:14] Speaker A: I can't dwell on the past now. Let's move forward. Yeah, I did see. Let's see, like, it. Like, I could see that happening. The foreshadowing, too. You could see the foreshadowing happening where [00:37:23] Speaker B: it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We were like, oh, he's in a random zone. I'm like, well, we'll see him again. [00:37:28] Speaker A: And then. Then foreshadowing after he got there, because he was like, I'm gonna basically, in mind, like you said, I'm gonna sacrifice myself, in a sense. Okay. I could do this. Two people. It needs two people for one person to get out. I will hold the door closed while whatever thing happens so that you can get out, or I'll hold the door open kind of thing. [00:37:43] Speaker B: All right. Even though I don't think it's ever explained whatsoever why he never even tried to do this in front of it because he was too busy getting drunk off the. [00:37:50] Speaker A: What's. Whatever. Is that. Is that like prison toilet hooch? Is that what that is? That's it. He has the container for it. Unless he brought it with him. But I feel like if he brought [00:38:01] Speaker B: it with him, I'm gonna send myself to the Phantom Zone as punishment. Just let me grab this bottle so I can make some good wine. [00:38:08] Speaker A: You'd have to think it would be cases of bottles, too. He's been there for a while. [00:38:11] Speaker B: Pretty tasty. Once you start going for it. I'm telling you, [00:38:16] Speaker A: you should drink this. [00:38:17] Speaker B: Squirt. [00:38:18] Speaker A: You want to squirt? Squirt. [00:38:20] Speaker B: Yeah. She spits it up. Oh, it's awful. And he's like, that's not so bad. Mosquitoes. [00:38:25] Speaker A: And I like it because you're like. We all have to insinuate that it's definitely alcohol because he seems a little tipsy. Yeah. Yeah. But they're like, we can't do that. This is a comic book movie. So we're not gonna say it's alcohol, [00:38:36] Speaker B: It's a PG comic book movie, or like, we're trying to make it family friendly or whatever. [00:38:41] Speaker A: Then why did you need that? The whole segment of her have him [00:38:45] Speaker B: being explained what he's been doing. Killing time here. [00:38:48] Speaker A: Is it maybe because that's one of the reasons why he hasn't tried to escape is because he is drunk the whole time. And that's why I didn't want to say that. But like. [00:38:54] Speaker B: Like, you leave me with a. With a case of totally tubulars. I'm probably not gonna bother leaving. I'm gonna screw it. I'll just stay. [00:38:59] Speaker A: No, what are you talking about? It's gonna last like a day. [00:39:01] Speaker B: Not so bad. The bad guys stay over the hill. I still got these beers in the corner. I'm. [00:39:04] Speaker A: All right, Paul, you're. You're talking like a couple up a party, and you have a few toodle tuters at a party, and if it's the end of the world for you and you are stuck there and you don't have to worry about anything and you're gonna die anyway, you're crushing that entire case in like a couple hours. [00:39:18] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's gone in a little bit. Yeah. [00:39:20] Speaker A: So I don't know where this guy still has his hooch. His toilet hooch over here. [00:39:24] Speaker B: Like you said, it's the toilet wine stuff he's figured out how to make. That's the catch. [00:39:27] Speaker A: And it's very, very, very potent. So you only need a squirt. You only need a squirt. [00:39:30] Speaker B: You need one squirt and you're gone. This is. You're talking days of trip. Like, I don't know, maybe he's got some funky mushrooms in that place he's using. I don't know what he's got, but. Yeah, I. I don't. I don't know. I just. You knew at the beginning when he's like going to the Phantom Zone, well, we'll see his ass again. And then when he's like, oh, wait, there is actually one way out. Like, well, yeah, this is gonna be the end of him. But still, there's no explanation for any of it. [00:40:00] Speaker A: It's just nothing. There's literally like. [00:40:02] Speaker B: And I feel like that's the thing with this movie. It is. It is the old bad comics of its day of, like, just. Just accept it. Suppose. Just accept it. Just go. But like, you know, yeah, we've flown out. We just move on. We're done. [00:40:15] Speaker A: You. You know, the. The picking apart of Indiana Jones and Last or Last Crusade, where. Or no Rage. The Lost Ark, where he, like, doesn't need to be in the movie, basically, that he actually almost helps the Nazis get the. The. Yeah, but he find. Because he finds it and they find him and they were like, technically, they probably would have found it at some point somehow with digging up the entire desert. But. But like, so, like in the end, it's really like Indiana Jones doesn't actually need to be in the movie, but the movie's entertaining. The entire thing makes sense. The whole thing is fun to watch. All of that. This is like. It seems like in the end, half the things didn't need to happen that happened and yet she saved the day. Whatever. And so. But. But they're like, it wasn't like, I'm gonna go watch this movie again for entertainment. Like, it was like, there's a. You can have one or the other. You get both. Excellent movie that has a great plot and a great. It all makes sense and everybody makes. Needs to be where they need to be and all that stuff. Or you can have one, like, one that's super entertaining and makes no sense, or a movie that is not entertaining. It makes no sense. But, like, it's just like, all these. I just don't think that this is, like, one of those. Like, if you talk about any DC movies in history, this is not going to be one where I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna go back and watch that movie again just, you know, for fun. Or. I would never say to someone, I told people on Saturday, watch the Super Mario Bros. Movie. Like, do it. It's not. It's. It's. It's absolutely asinine and insane, but watch it. Motu. I'm gonna tell people to watch that Swamp Thing. Half the movies we've watched, I said, you need to at least experience this movie. This movie is not one of the ones where I'm gonna be like, yeah, you should watch Supergirl. No, go watch the new Supergirl. And it can't be horrible. It'll still be better than this one, in my opinion. Like, they're just. They're. They're gonna make other mistakes, probably in this new Supergirl movie. [00:41:58] Speaker B: But, like, I. I write off a lot of this for the. For the hokiness, the fun hokiness. I will accept that part of this movie. I laughed at it, even though I'm sure there are times I'm laughing at when that was not the intention of this movie. [00:42:15] Speaker A: Laughing at them, not with them. [00:42:17] Speaker B: It was stupid. Yeah, exactly. It was stupid. And. And I just rolled with the punches for it. But overall, no, this is not. Not a good movie. No, like, it's not a good movie. And I'm trying to, like, consider it against other super movies we've watched. Everything else. I don't even. I don't even know. It spent way too much money. So I always. That's always the. The ultimate, like, forgiveness to the Fantastic Four movie was. It was $1 million. It was $1 million. And some actors that didn't realize that this was, like, almost being used against [00:42:53] Speaker A: them, I'll tell you right now, that movie was better than this movie. [00:42:58] Speaker B: I don't think it was But I forgive it because of it. I don't think it was. [00:43:04] Speaker A: I will say this movie was not boring in any moment like this. That was. They did. They did that well enough where they actually made it. So that was entertaining. [00:43:11] Speaker B: This more than. Than Toxic Avenger. I would have like to meet you. I was, like, baffled. I like, it's made for a specific [00:43:21] Speaker A: set of, like, Toxic Avengers made for, like, a specific section of people, whereas this is made for a broader audience and that you could enjoy it. Like, Taylor could sit there and watch it, at least understand what was going on. Oh, not really understand what's going on, but understands what's going on as much as I could understand what's going on there. [00:43:39] Speaker B: Eating her breakfast, watching it with me. Like, she didn't, like, get up and like, dad, this is dumber. And she was sitting right. [00:43:44] Speaker A: I did both, Paul. [00:43:46] Speaker B: I also don't think she's gonna come home from school and be like, yeah, [00:43:49] Speaker A: can you watch that again? I told my friends over to watch this movie. I did say multiple times, though, during the movie that, oh, my God, this is bad. Like. Like, I said, yes, you're right. There are some reasons, I will say costume's great. The fact that they use her real name in her actual, like, kryptonite parts of it. Yeah, the flying was mostly good, which [00:44:13] Speaker B: would be part of the costume problem. Flying ahead. Great. Every time she lands, just, like, hold her skirt down as she lands. It's like, yeah, there's a issue with that costume design because it was all [00:44:23] Speaker A: drawn for comics, not for TV and movies. [00:44:26] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. When you actually put it practical use, it's not working really great. [00:44:30] Speaker A: The flying across town and things like that, across cities. [00:44:33] Speaker B: This is all for power. [00:44:34] Speaker A: It's great. [00:44:35] Speaker B: She uses her wind, whatever, to blow the bad guys away. And she's super strong and she's fast and she uses her heat vision. There are sometimes, like, she uses the heat vision through a wall to heat up the wrench the girl's using to try to. [00:44:51] Speaker A: But the wall's fine. [00:44:53] Speaker B: Right. I'm like, I don't think that works that way. And the. The pole, the globe or what? I don't even know. Light post that. She rips up and starts gaining like gathering lightning to. What the hell? Just no. No sense at all. No sense completely overall. [00:45:10] Speaker A: Like her comic book. Yeah, she's a comic book accurate character. [00:45:15] Speaker B: Like, she's. I mean, she looks like Supergirl then. The rest of that stuff was all good. I'll tell you what, all that was better than the end of the Batman trilogy with the little cop sidekick buddy of Batman then being like, oh, Robin, you should use your real name. It's pretty. And I was like, what? Like, what the hell? I just went through all this, like, all the serious Christian Bale stuff, and all of a sudden this guy's name is Robin and he discovers the bat cave. What the hell? [00:45:53] Speaker A: They didn't go any further with it. So, like, they probably learned. [00:45:56] Speaker B: Yeah, that descended. Like, I'll tell you what, I will take the Supergirl movie over that whole scene in the Batman [00:46:06] Speaker A: comic book. Accurate to extent on her using Jimmy Olsen was great as a connective tissue. Like, honestly, when we talked about. Joked about how like the Star Wars [00:46:14] Speaker B: Lane Superman poster and Superman being on the radio and. [00:46:18] Speaker A: Yeah, so if you think about the other characters being the main character, where [00:46:22] Speaker B: he was and why he wasn't there, which is more than you could say for like half the Marvel stuff now of like, oh, the world's ending, by the way. This other faction existed through all that. Didn't do anything, by the way. Here are the eternals that were like, oh, Thanos is ending half of the universe. We're gonna sit this one out. [00:46:38] Speaker A: They explain that eventually, though. [00:46:39] Speaker B: Oh, well. [00:46:41] Speaker A: That we're not the only place in [00:46:42] Speaker B: the galaxy dog thing comes back if the gold dog thing's not running around trying to eat people. We wait it out. [00:46:48] Speaker A: But, I mean, it's like, I understand the idea that there's like a huge galaxy that you have or huge universe, huge places that you can't just be Earth. We as humans think we're the center of the universe, but it's really not in that sense. Like, but. But, yeah, the comic. But, like, why Jimmy? I guess the whole thing is like, laugh about, like, how like R2, D2 and C3 Pure are actually the main characters of Star Wars. [00:47:08] Speaker B: Characters of Star Wars. [00:47:09] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. Jimmy Olsen actually is the main character. [00:47:11] Speaker B: Probably the best character in Star Wars. He swears constantly. They bleep everything he says. Like, I'll take R2 all day. [00:47:18] Speaker A: And Jimmy Olsen is the main character in the Superman universe, technically, if you [00:47:22] Speaker B: think about it, because he's the all encompassing. Well, and as we discussed in the world of comics, Archie is the center of the universe because everything gets pulled to Archie at some time. [00:47:34] Speaker A: So, you know, right there, they're on the Nexus. The Nexus, yeah. But like my biggest. Like I said, the writing is horrendous. Some of the acting is really bad, some of the acting is really good. Or [00:47:48] Speaker B: the feel like is. Is hokey. With the intention of it being hokey. Bianca the sidekick. Definitely hokey. Because this is a comic book movie. We want you to be over the top and cheesy. And cheese. Over the top and cheesy. But I, I liked it. It was fun. [00:48:03] Speaker A: Yeah. I think that she was. That whole connectivity between the two of them was actually kind like the. The I want to take over the entire world and this other person. Like, do you really need to do that? Like that guy. [00:48:12] Speaker B: Next we take Canada. [00:48:13] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. Kate to. But no. So they. That and like the flying stuff. For the most part the flying was okay. Some of it sounded like it was on Cirque du Sole. [00:48:24] Speaker B: Yeah. But demons were all bad, which I expected. I was cheering on at the end when she's summoning this thing and I was like, come on, baby. Come on. Bad claymation. Let's go. Bad claymation. And we got. It wasn't good. It was bad effects. I don't know what the hell it was. I don't know if it was like a puppet with weird like lighting and then casting the Supergirl image over it. I don't know what the hell it was. It was bad. Wasn't as bad Claymation. I was hoping for Howard the dot claymation. That was what I was aiming for. I was like, come on baby. [00:48:54] Speaker A: You're waiting for how to show up. That would be great. Five star movie right here. But yeah, playing with his feathers again for 1984. All the things I mentioned. The biggest downfall was the writing and the likes of some of the bad acting and some of the bad effects. The other biggest one is why. Why you have a. A roster of villains that you could use. Did you have to create a new one? That that again was okay but like didn't like screen to me that like obviously didn't scream enough that they were like cool. This character was created in the Supergirl movie. Let's put her in comics in the future. Like it didn't also if there's any [00:49:34] Speaker B: action figures of Selena from Supergirl role. I don't think that there's. [00:49:38] Speaker A: It's just to me like there could have been someone else, I guess. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Fine. [00:49:41] Speaker A: I understand when you're like, well, this is a movie. This is a size side quest movie in a sense. So you don't want to use one of Superman's bigger villains because they want to use them for Superman and I can understand that side of things and so on and so forth. Or maybe the people who were creating the movie just like you have the rights to use Jimmy Olsen, Lois Lane sister in Supergirl. Like, it's possible that, like, you have the ability to use these characters. Do not touch any of their characters. We have plans for them. Which seems like more of a conversation that happens nowadays than they did in the 80s. [00:50:07] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't think in the 80s that was really big of a concern. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have thought. I would think they were, especially when they were like, very dipping toes into superhero stuff, that they would have had any foresight or worry of like, they might have said, you're not using Lex Luthor. But other than that, I would think it'd be pretty much here's. You know, at that point would have been what, 30, 40 years of Supergirl background. Just go pick whatever character you want and use it. Oh, you know, I've had a hard time with this one. I don't want to oversell this thing. I'm gonna go one star. I'm right on the one to like one and a half star. I'm gonna go one star. [00:50:55] Speaker A: Overall, [00:50:57] Speaker B: I never shut it off. I don't know if, if this wasn't for a podcast, I don't know if I would have stomach through the first 15 minutes. The first 15 minutes is really bad. After that, it was sort of fun. Supergirl was sort of fun. I think I said the hokiness I sort of accepted and like, it was cheesy and fun. The writing's unforgivable. 100. So I, I go one star. [00:51:18] Speaker A: I would. I was gonna go 0.5 because it's the lowest I can go. [00:51:21] Speaker B: I figured you were. I figured you were going to be 0.5 on this. Yeah, I, I like this better than other movies we've watched. [00:51:28] Speaker A: There are, there are moments of it, I will say hour and a half hour, 20 minute movie would have been far better. [00:51:37] Speaker B: I broke this into two sittings in two hours was long. I cannot imagine sitting this whole thing [00:51:42] Speaker A: in one go on theaters too. I mean, there is a bird. There's three different versions. So we watched. I'm guessing we watched the director's guy, because that was the one that was two hours and. No, no, we watched the international guy, which is the one that actually the most sense out of all of them. I guess there's three different ones. There's the. [00:51:59] Speaker B: I don't know what you cut out of this, though. If you're gonna shorten it. That, that doesn't, that doesn't make it worse. Like, you can cut out some of her just flying around. She's just. For some reason, she flies numbnuts to this tropical island. He gets hit in the head with a coconut. We didn't really need her flying him all the way over there. We could ditch that. We could probably. I mean, probably ditch has half of the love interest scenes. [00:52:23] Speaker A: Because we watched one was about two hours and five minutes. Two hours and four minutes. That's the international cut. There's an hour and 45 minute was the theatrical cut. And there's a director's cut, Paul, that has 14 additional minutes in it. That's where it all makes sense now. [00:52:37] Speaker B: Well, now we have to go back and watch the other two and compare. [00:52:42] Speaker A: The funny thing is, I don't know if, like, other than like the Lord of the Rings, where, like, they're super freaking long more. I don't know if I'd ever be able to pick up on behalf of half the stuff that they edit or take out or do to me. I'd probably be like, cool, this is great. And then, like, the. What they added was like an additional line. You'd have to watch them, like, back to back or side by side, in my opinion, to like. Unless it was something drastically different. But, like, if it was drastic story. [00:53:06] Speaker B: My favorite movies. I can immediately pick this thing. I don't know. [00:53:09] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:53:10] Speaker B: But yeah. And same thing you get done with the one that they cut out the 15 minutes. And I do. I don't know if I'd go, oh, that's what they cut out of me. [00:53:16] Speaker A: I would definitely be able to cut or appreciate or see or notice more if they added things than they did. [00:53:22] Speaker B: If they take things away, I agree. [00:53:24] Speaker A: Because all likely they take bad things [00:53:26] Speaker B: away or stuff with this. I don't know. Did you like the. Did you like the chicken wand? The chicken wand was pretty good. He put in and Liz was like, well, I mean, you know, chickens kind of suck. And I'm like, yeah, they usually do. So that makes sense. You're gonna make an evil weapon that he, for some reason happens to have that he carries around. You're just pure evil. Then, yeah, it'd be a chicken wand, some bones hanging off of it there. [00:53:52] Speaker A: I don't know what the hell that was. There was moments where I'm like, what is going on right now? I am not intoxicated. I need a squirt. I need a squirt to watch this movie. [00:54:04] Speaker B: This will make this make more sense. [00:54:06] Speaker A: How did they not make. How did squirt the drink? You know, there's a drink called Squirt. How did they not make a version of this for the 1984 Supergirl movie is beyond me. [00:54:16] Speaker B: Marketing. [00:54:17] Speaker A: I should have done that, I think you didn't buy that. [00:54:19] Speaker B: They had plenty of marketing. The Schlitz cans that she plainly uses, the A W root beer sign that she crashes into. Like, they. They marketed stuff left and right through it, too. I thought was sort of funny. The shameless plugs of this and that item. [00:54:35] Speaker A: And then you can still buy Squirt. [00:54:37] Speaker B: Don't think you got your money's worth. [00:54:39] Speaker A: You can still buy $5 on Amazon for a 12 pack. Oh, they have zero sugar now, Paul. [00:54:47] Speaker B: The hell is. I've never heard of this. A grapefruit soda. So it's like Fresca, right? Isn't Fresco? [00:54:54] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Well, that's fresh is sugar free. So they have a zero sugar version. [00:54:58] Speaker B: But, you know, I'm drinking clearly Canadian [00:55:00] Speaker A: this morning because I laugh, because I'm like, I should have bought something, had it be like, I have a square here. [00:55:07] Speaker B: Yeah, sounds so dirty, too. [00:55:11] Speaker A: Like he was trying to get her drunk so he can hang out with whoever. [00:55:14] Speaker B: Yeah, it was a little like, Uncle. [00:55:16] Speaker A: Uncle creepy over here. Yeah. People on Reddit about this movie. People on Reddit were like, I think Peter o' toole was drunk the entire movie. I'm like, yeah, probably. Yeah, he's in the movie that much. I mean, he's in the movie on the Phantom Zone and he's in the beginning of the movie. It's not like he's in the middle of the movie that much. [00:55:33] Speaker B: He's like, he's probably in it for [00:55:34] Speaker A: what, like a total screen time of like, 10 minutes maybe? Honestly, like. And they sacrificed himself for the fate of humanity. [00:55:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Let's face it. He fell off the cliff. He wasn't holding on. [00:55:46] Speaker A: Well, from what was. I don't even know. [00:55:48] Speaker B: That's like. It would have been when she's, like, got a hold of him by the arm if he'd done the, like, no, go on without me. We'll never make it together. And he threw himself off, but instead he's, like, climbing up her at one point. And I was like, oh, okay, no, we're not gonna get the hero vibe on this one. And then. Then he's just like, yeah, he's history. [00:56:10] Speaker A: She was probably like, thank God he's gone. Yeah, thank God he was a creepy old man. Yeah. [00:56:19] Speaker B: Climb up out of this case. [00:56:22] Speaker A: Do you feel like at the end. So I'm finishing this up, but do you feel like at the end when she swam underwater to go to her [00:56:26] Speaker B: Gungar house, it definitely looked 3D printed, [00:56:31] Speaker A: that they destroyed the sets from the beginning of the movie already and that they didn't have the time, effort, or money to actually go back? No. Like, why. Why would they show that she saves the day? But in every single time I've ever seen a movie where some sort of civilization is about to end or something happens, there's a party or some sort of celebration at that place because you saved the day, don't you think? Like, oh, the end of Star Wars. Yes. The end of any of those places. Like, you have the party, the celebration. You have this like. [00:57:04] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:57:05] Speaker A: At the end of any of these movies. And then you have all this thing at the end movie that your seeker swim back and she ends up saving. Do you see the lights come up? But it's like, we don't the budget or time now anymore. We destroyed the sets already. We can't do this again. We're all done. [00:57:17] Speaker B: Thank God we still had that original, like, take of this with the thing. Why the hell their lights floating around in a town? I don't know that city. The city was bad. [00:57:28] Speaker A: The city was city that was underwater, but also in space. [00:57:31] Speaker B: I don't understand. How the hell did it get underwater? I don't. And. And so the whole thing must have taken place in one day because the love potion only lasted a day. Or if the spider got out and the spider's out, but he's still in love with her, and that's when he sees her. You are Linda. Linda and Taro, the same person. [00:57:48] Speaker A: Like, I mean, I get. I mean, the movie's almost a day long anyway, so. So if anybody wants to, they can try to see this movie and then redeem this movie, hopefully with Supergirl, which is coming out June 26th from DC Studios. I. I would imagine it's better, Paul, I mean, if it's a one and a half star, [00:58:09] Speaker B: because I know this uses a. A bunch of stuff from the Tom King Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow book, and I really enjoyed that book. And I know it's not accurate at all because Lobo is not in the book, really, and now he's in this and all this and that, all like. So I know this is not going to follow this, the plot of the book. So I have to let that go and just enjoy the ride of this new Supergirl movie, which I think I've gotten a lot better at. I've gotten better at just being like, you know what? Let's just go. [00:58:39] Speaker A: It's a universe he pulls from it, but doesn't have to be the same. [00:58:42] Speaker B: Whatever. Let it be its thing. I still can't forgive. [00:58:50] Speaker A: Oh, my God. Get a tower of town. Guess what this movie does have in in it. Superman. Weird, huh? Superman isn't actually in this. I don't know if he's in Superman or he's Clark Kent or Kalal. I don't know how they actually do it in this movie. [00:59:04] Speaker B: But Zora, it helped that she appears in the Superman movie. So that when we follow her, we know that would have been another thing if somewhere in the Superman movies. I guess if she had shown up, probably would have gone a long ways. Even a mention of like, I'm the last of my kind. But according to my super kryptonite Krypton computer, there's another city somewhere floating in the whatever anus of space is what it felt like I did. What was it? There's not outer space. There's in us, inner space. [00:59:38] Speaker A: And we're gonna save, you know, inner space because inner space is actually underwater. [00:59:43] Speaker B: Right. And the whole thing is. [00:59:44] Speaker A: Is Gandor, Gundar, Gungar? [00:59:49] Speaker B: Well, yeah. Yeah. [00:59:51] Speaker A: So David Crummles is. Plays Supergirl's dad in this movie who is the elf on the Santa Claus, which I'm so pumped about. You know, the main guy, Bernard, the elf on the Santa Claus. [01:00:04] Speaker B: Bernard. [01:00:05] Speaker A: The Bernard is gonna. Not in this. In the upcoming one. David Krumholtz and is in this movie, the new one. Yeah. Which is awesome. But Paul. So we're not. We're not reviewing a movie soon episodes. Paulie in May 18th. Let's see here. The next one we're doing is gonna be 2026 comics so far. Shop talk as well. Like talking about your shop and things like that. [01:00:31] Speaker B: What are we liking for comics this year? [01:00:33] Speaker A: I don't think we'll do a top 10. If anybody's expecting that that's not what we're going to do. We're going to do like, this is what I'm liking. That's reading and. And there's a possibility because I like it and it might end up on our list at the end of the year. But, like, this is what's good right now. This is what we're looking forward to that we know is coming or the end of a series is coming or more is coming from that. I think it's just a discussion about comics in general. And I think that's a. That's a good place to be right now. And I think there's some, some complaints we'll make though. Some, some, some, some gossip we'll put out there, I guess. Some, some comics to look forward to and so on and so forth and, and I'll discuss some of the ideas for the rest of the year on the podcast and then we'll also do another movie review after that. At some point. I think I wanna, I think the next movie we do actually, now that I think about it, is going to be the Rocketeer. But I'm not 100 sure on that. You excited for that Rocketeer? [01:01:19] Speaker B: I'll tell you what, I loved that movie as a kid and I don't remember anything about it. Me either. And then I tried to watch it as an adult. [01:01:27] Speaker A: It's not gonna be good. I know. [01:01:29] Speaker B: Wow. I do not understand how I watch it so much as a child. Especially when I watch adult movies. Because I was watching die hard and RoboCop and Lethal Weapon and Alien and Predator and how the hell did I watch that Rocketeer movies many times? Because I'm tried watching it and I don't think I made it through like 20 minutes. It was boring as sin. So I guess we're gonna, we're gonna do it again. We're gonna get it. Because I'll tell you what, the first 15 minutes of this movie are pretty bad. So. So [01:01:57] Speaker A: I'll tell you right now, I think the Rocketeer is less than two hours long. So even that is a positive. I'm not an old man trying to say I want our movies. What I'm trying to say is that most movies that I've watched that are two plus hours that are not like Academy Award winning movies don't need to be those that long. That's my point. Like there's definitely a lot of movies that are super long that are not like they're just entertaining movies. [01:02:23] Speaker B: This is two hours, right? I have not watched the Snyder cut, that everyone's like, well, you should watch the Snyder cut. I think I would watch this movie back to back over watching the Snyder cut and that'd be my four hours. [01:02:36] Speaker A: Your four hours. To me it's like it makes more sense. Like it didn't need to be two hours. I'll tell you that right now. This movie did not need to. I'm not a video or I'm not a movie maker and I'm not a filmer. I'm not an editor. I don't know what to cut out specifically. Specifically to make it make more concise Sense, but I will say right now is that two hours of this was too much. [01:02:55] Speaker B: Target audience seemed to be family, too. You're now asking children to sit in a theater for two hours? [01:03:01] Speaker A: No, I mean, we broke it up into our host. It ends up being like, you might as well make it like a three part special on TV than it is on going to the theaters. [01:03:09] Speaker B: It would have made more sense. [01:03:12] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. And one of these days, we'll do the Superman movie. The Superman. [01:03:19] Speaker B: I remember watching it. I forgot. [01:03:21] Speaker A: It's good. It's good. I think we ended up like, kids got sick, I got sick, whatever, maybe. And then we had to move along and then schedules got weird and stuff like that. So, like, it's. It is what it is. But yeah, we're excited for that. And then shop talk coming up here pretty soon. It'll be fun. Excited to talk about. [01:03:37] Speaker B: And. [01:03:38] Speaker A: And we'll see Friday also, like to look back on. On what we say is good and what we actually put on our list is the end of the year kind of thing. It'd be kind of cool to see that. [01:03:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it'll be interesting because we've read [01:03:48] Speaker A: it on our comics. We read the first two comics. We're like, this is amazing. And then comics three, four, and five are awful. [01:03:52] Speaker B: So that has happened enough times. [01:03:54] Speaker A: Comics in general are amazing. So I don't want to say that they're awful. But, like, it wasn't good. It didn't. It didn't stick the landing. [01:04:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it didn't. It didn't hit what I wanted. Let's go with that. Probably somebody else will enjoy it, but it didn't work for me. Yeah. [01:04:05] Speaker A: Do you want a sticker? [01:04:07] Speaker B: What is that? Is that Rogue? [01:04:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Leona. Kangas. Rogue. [01:04:11] Speaker B: I got three kangas. Rogue. Nice. It's all. [01:04:13] Speaker A: She's Leon. They wrote. They drew it. Stack of stickers from Liana that I'll bring in for you to put at the shop. I don't know where they got went, but she. They. They sent me, like, look at these things, like, stack of stickers so you can, like, put them at the shop or whatever. [01:04:33] Speaker B: But Liana doing awesome Liana things. [01:04:35] Speaker A: Yeah. But they sent them to me recently, so I thought I'd share them with other people because I can only put it on so many things, like recording stickers over here, but cool. Supergirl 1984. Watch it, don't watch it. It doesn't matter to me. But this is what we. You can just listen to this and you got everything you needed to know from this podcast right here, Galactic Comics and Collectibles at galactic comics and collectibles.com 4.99 Hammond Street, Suite 2. 3. [01:05:03] Speaker B: 3. I don't know. 3. [01:05:04] Speaker A: I don't know. Whatever. It's 49 Hamley Street. [01:05:06] Speaker B: Trust me. [01:05:07] Speaker A: Grab a pizza slice, go next door and. And, and, yeah, you know, go get insurance, because there's insurance place, dance studio, plenty of parking. And then if you want out, you can park there, grab a comic or two. And if you want to take it's nice weather out now, take a little jaunt around the corner and you can walk up the street, you can see [01:05:25] Speaker B: Stephen King's house, take a picture and [01:05:28] Speaker A: then walk back and then just don't park your car there all day. We need the parking for comp sales. But that's true. [01:05:33] Speaker B: We got stuff going on here. [01:05:35] Speaker A: Good stuff going on here, Paul. We'll talk soon. Enjoy the weather today. Today's not so it stays good, but tomorrow and Tuesday, Wednesday are gonna be freaking hot. [01:05:44] Speaker B: So hopefully the AC today. I don't know. If we get a little sun, I might go like play some golf today. [01:05:50] Speaker A: Do it. It's actually perfect weather for golf, to be honest, you know, because, yeah, even if it's a little cold, put a jacket on. You don't want to be 100 degrees out. Cool. People are like, oh, my God, I'm turning this podcast off already. I'll have to. Maybe I'll edit this out, maybe I won't. Whatever. Paul, it's always been great to talk to you. See you soon, everybody. Go read comics. Read more comics all the time, every day. And then watch movies too, and all that stuff. Enjoy. [01:06:15] Speaker B: Read Supergirl comics. [01:06:16] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. It.