Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to another episode of the Capes and Tights podcast right here on capesandtights.com dot. I'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. We welcome back comic book retailer and owner of Galactic Comics and collectibles Paul Eaton to the podcast to discuss the 1990 Captain America movie. Oh, what a movie. It's a comic book movie that features Captain America fighting Red Skull, his 1940s foe who aims to give the president a brain implant. Yep, you heard that right. So we discussed that right here on the case and Tights podcast.
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Welcome to the podcast. Paul Ian, galactic comics and collectibles. How are you, sir?
[00:01:12] Speaker B: I'm good. It's a another exciting morning in the world of comics and podcasts. And is it the 1990 Captain America movie?
[00:01:21] Speaker A: Is it exciting? I don't know. It's like one of those things that, like, I was, like, excited to talk to you about how crappy this movie was. Captain America from 1990. But also in the same sense, like, I'm like, do I want to even talk about, do I want to, like.
[00:01:34] Speaker B: Was it like 12% on Rotten Tomatoes? I don't know.
[00:01:38] Speaker A: It was, however we talked, I think last time we recorded maybe it was, I don't know what it was, but about how there's like a zero ratings and we're going to do Max steel and all that stuff. And I'm thinking, oh, maybe it was for Green Lantern. And, and I was like, oh, and I'm surprised that this isn't one of them. And it may be because it was, like, tv style movie, and maybe it doesn't have enough ratings.
[00:02:02] Speaker B: It's weird. I was reading this has, like, a cult following, and I was like, why?
For white?
[00:02:08] Speaker A: Well, I think there's one of those things I read online was like, there are certain movies that are good, there's certain movies that are bad, and then there's certain movies that are so bad that they're good, if that makes any sense.
[00:02:16] Speaker B: Yeah, this would fall in that category.
[00:02:18] Speaker A: Well, is it, though? It falls to the it's bad, but not, it's not. It's bad enough, but it's like, past the bad enough. It's good. You know what I mean? Like, the movies that you want to watch that are bad enough that they're good, there's some sort of redeeming quality to it. And I don't know, horror movies, I.
[00:02:37] Speaker B: Feel like more fit category or movies.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: That you're like, that's campy. That's like, you know, this looks like they tried to make a good movie and it was not good.
[00:02:46] Speaker B: Yeah, this is really bad.
[00:02:48] Speaker A: Well, they have 17 reviews, and it's at 12%. And I think you have to have 20 reviews and 0% to be part of that. And so there are actually in these 17 critic reviews. Let's see. One of them actually liked it. Okay, so from film Threat Alan, I never could pronounce this. What's the. How do you pronounce Ng for last name?
[00:03:10] Speaker B: I got another.
[00:03:11] Speaker A: It's an asian last name. Ng, but whatever.
[00:03:13] Speaker B: Yeah, there's artists that are.
[00:03:16] Speaker A: Yes. And I never look it up where he gave it a six out of ten in 2020, and he basically wrote, you can't lose watching a Captain America movie. And I think you can.
[00:03:30] Speaker B: I would say that this person's, like an obsessed fan or something like. And then really appreciated the fact this movie exists that was made. You know what I mean?
[00:03:39] Speaker A: Yeah. In 2002, Michael Samansky from Zaptowit.com gave it a three out of five. No actual review, just the rating. And so because of three out of five and this six out of ten, which would have been a three out of five, both those are technically in the top 67% of the thing. So they became a fresh tomato. And so because of those two reviews, it is actually a. Not a zero rating. It becomes a 12% rating.
[00:04:09] Speaker B: You consider it, though, two reviews are what's making the difference on this thing.
[00:04:13] Speaker A: Yes. Out of the 1715 of them are negative and two of them are positive. And so that says something about this movie. So as we kick it off, watch.
[00:04:23] Speaker B: The same movie we watch.
[00:04:24] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
I guess so here's that. We talked about the no redeeming qualities. There's redeeming qualities in certain spots and aspects of it, but again, they're, like, horrible.
We talked about. We was at, um. It was at Galacticon. I was talking to lance about velocipaster. It's a movie that came out a couple of years ago, and it's a velociraptor, a passer that turns into a velociraptor. And, okay, it's it's a horrible concept. From the beginning, though, you. You're like, this movie's gonna be bad. Like, you just know what you're going into.
[00:04:55] Speaker B: It is not gonna be a good thing.
[00:04:56] Speaker A: Like, the first five minutes, the whole reason the pastor goes on this, like, weird trajectory is because his parents blow up on a car bomb. And the car bomb is, like it said, it goes boom, and it has this explosion, and then it looks at the car where the car was, and it just says fire on the screen. Like it's just the word fire. No special effects, and it's. That's purposely supposed to be bad. And, yeah, I think the difference between something like this movie and. And those kind of movies, this took itself very seriously. Yes. And. And there was a couple of redeeming qualities. And I will say right off the bat, Paul, is that the suit was comic accurate? Do you mean, like, to an extent.
It's not always good looking.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: It's comic accurate. It looks like the old, like, Kirby Sterenko original design looking stuff, but almost, like, not budget or not. Either they didn't have enough budget to do the suit right, or didn't have the means at the time. So it looks more like something you found in a high quality Halloween costume store than it does. Looks like this is Captain America, the super soldier who's going to represent America and go to war with the Nazis and all this. It looked more like the. Well, we got this. It'll work.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: Well, maybe it's more like the cosplay version.
[00:06:25] Speaker B: A cosplay version of Captain America and not even. Not a good cosplay version. Like, I've seen better cosplayers than this.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: So the shield.
[00:06:35] Speaker B: Okay, the shield.
[00:06:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:36] Speaker B: Can we take 1 second? They now have Marvel Legends makes a one of one scale movie replica, and they make a Captain America shield. They make Star Lords helmet. They make all this stuff. The shield you can buy right now and own yourself is better looking than the shield in this movie.
Like, this movie shield looks like plastic. It looks fake. Like the one that you can now currently buy and hang on your wall yourself or run around with this Captain America is much, much better looking than the Captain America shield in this movie that they filmed and put out.
[00:07:09] Speaker A: Paul, they only had a $3 million budget, though.
[00:07:11] Speaker B: That is $3 million we could have done better things with. I'm gonna throw that out there, too. Like, world hunger now. Yeah, world hunger, you know, trying to cure cancer, something, anything would have four.
[00:07:22] Speaker A: Years later, you had saved it, put it into an account get interest on it and give it to the Fantastic Four movie. And that's what you could have done with the money.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: That would have been helpful. That would have been thoughtful. It would have been nice.
[00:07:33] Speaker A: It came out in December, December 19. So this is called the 1990 Captain America film. And if you ask when it is, so there is one, one or two prior to this? I think it's one prior to this. Maybe there's two in 1979, they came out with a Captain America movie, which we'll get into at some point, I think. But there's a 1979 Captain America movie, and then there's this movie. And I think the 1979 one is where he's a lawyer. They make him an actual lawyer. So it's a weird.
[00:07:58] Speaker B: Now maybe the 79 one is one I saw as a kid, because I have a specific memory of Captain America driving a motorcycle out of, like, the back of a semi. It's possibly a shield on the front of the motorcycle. And it never happened in this movie.
[00:08:12] Speaker A: I think that makes it seem like it's probably the 19. It seems like a 1979 filming shot.
[00:08:18] Speaker B: So that was, I was really disappointed to not see that in this movie because I swore this is the one I saw as a kid. And I'm, I'm now thinking, I've never seen this movie.
[00:08:27] Speaker A: No, I don't know. I own it. And I'm like, I put it on dvd years ago, and I'm like, I'll get around to at some point. And then, like, it's like, what we talk about book club and having books that force us to read them, that we want to see them eventually, but, like, we never get a chance. It's always something that we pick above.
[00:08:40] Speaker B: Yeah. It's always something that would rather read.
[00:08:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:08:42] Speaker B: So then, like, all right, now we finally have to, to sit down and read the book. We have to commit the time.
[00:08:45] Speaker A: Yeah, I think this is like that. I was like, I wanted to read it, watch it at some point. And as a comic book store owner, you know, we've talked about this before, and you talked about it on the Star wars episodes, is that you're not a big Star wars fan, but you've seen the movies. So if someone comes in and talks to you about it, you can, you can have at least some knowledge to it.
[00:09:00] Speaker B: I can say, I have now seen this movie, and it's probably good.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: Like, talking about the Green Lantern movie we talked about last summer, Captain America, any of them, like, having the knowledge someone brings up the movie, you're like, I've seen that movie, or if someone brings in a movie poster from it, be like, oh, that's kind of funny. We actually are. So that's the benefit of that. I think the only benefit, because, like, you can't get this couple hours back ever again, Paul.
[00:09:19] Speaker B: So, yeah, no, that is. That is a solid hour and a half. I think this movie was that I will never get back.
You know what I will say for this movie, too? We've talked about doing this in the past where we'd like to record one of these live.
[00:09:32] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:09:32] Speaker B: And, like, have the camera at us and picking up the background sounds of the movie and us commenting, this movie would be great for that. I am like, I will say I laughed a lot during this movie. The ridiculous, hokey special effects, the campy, the bad acting, the bad writing, the bad everything. I did catch myself a lot of times laughing or commenting. So I'm sitting there this morning, actually, I finished this this morning, and I've got my headphones in and I'm watching it, and my wife's watching, like, one of her shows on tv. And I can't help but keep talking during it. I'm like, this is this great scene there where he's walking up to the shield and he's all dressed in, like, standard italian clothes that we don't know where he got from.
[00:10:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: Presumably stole off a clothesline or something. And he's walking up and all, like, the way it's shot, all I could do is like, those are some nice loafers. Yes, they're nice loafers. Look at those.
Picks up the same round bag that the shield keeps being in.
[00:10:38] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:10:38] Speaker B: Where the hell they keep finding this thing? The bag comes out more than the shield does.
[00:10:42] Speaker A: I do think.
[00:10:43] Speaker B: It's not there. Then it's like, oh, look, there's the bag in the shield.
[00:10:47] Speaker A: You know, I write things off because it's like comic books. Okay? It's a comic book. They did that way too much of this movie. This is way too much.
Yes.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. I would say, at least, I would say this movie was probably filmed on a $1 million budget and $2 million worth of cocaine. We had the nineties. I would say that would add up to this. Well, give any of the actors a cocaine because they probably could have used it.
[00:11:10] Speaker A: One of the things I read online, too, was like, it's so stupid because it's a 1990s movie, but it does seem like they filmed it in the sixties, seventies, and early eighties. Like, it doesn't seem like a movie that was shot in the late eighties, early nineties. It seems like a movie. It almost seems like a movie they shot five years prior, and we're trying to sell the movie someone. And then eventually it came out because it didn't look like the nineties. Obviously, this movie came out December 14, 1990 in the United Kingdom. Obviously a lot of these early Marvel movies, it was like, they made the movie and they didn't, they were like, oh, it's gonna be on screen. And no one wanted to put it on screen, so it ended up being on dvd. And the UK is like, we'll show it.
[00:11:44] Speaker B: And then they're like, no, this is just gonna be a direct video, vhs.
[00:11:47] Speaker A: It does seem funny that it premiered December 14 in 1990 in the United Kingdom. A movie called Captain America. That does seem a little ironic there, or weird, but it didn't actually come out in the United States until July 22 in 1992. And so it was 4 July.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: You can go to your local, you know, movie store and get Captain America to watch.
[00:12:08] Speaker A: It probably was amazing for those people back then who were humongous Marvel fans and again, Captain America fans, but then were extremely let down because my first note, Paul, the first note I wrote. So I write my notes as I'm watching the movie. So if you talk about the first night, you know, you write is, oh my God, bad acting.
We're not even into this movie yet. And I'm like, this acting is horrendous. Oh, yeah.
[00:12:29] Speaker B: So really bad. Last week, all of it was really bad. The, where do you even begin the, the opening scenes of him and his, like, his love interest, like, aren't good. No, no, that's good. No, off to him becoming, well, you have the whole red Skull storyline, so no, him becoming Captain America storyline, neither of which, either of those are good.
[00:12:55] Speaker A: No, they're not. But what's funny about it is how much of a resemblance does it show between this movie's, him getting the powers for Captain America in that actual room than it was in the Captain America 1st. 1st Avenger. I was like, holy, did they watch that movie go, let's make a better version of that movie. Because I'm like, right, is similar to the comics, but it's like, it felt like the movie in the early two thousands. Or was it 2000? What do you say? It was? That was 2011 that Captain America came out that looked like more like they referenced this movie than they did the actual comic book. And that, because it was very similar in that aspect of it and someone get it coming in and getting shot and stuff, which is, again, there's some comic book references in there.
[00:13:36] Speaker B: Captain America going, try to save the day.
[00:13:37] Speaker A: Yeah. And run and stuff like that.
Yeah. But I was like, the acting was horrendous. I just watched last week or tried to watch last week. Salem's lot two, the return to Salem's lot, which was the sequel to the made for tv series. See, I'm for Stephen King. And so I start putting it on, and I'm like, okay, whatever. I want to see it. And I go to go online, like, look up some of the reviews on it and stuff like that. And it was like, so bad acting, this horror. I don't even know how they even finished this movie. The movie. The movie's so horribly acted. It's just so bad.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: And I'm watching why someone didn't pull the plug halfway through.
[00:14:10] Speaker A: I'm watching this, and I'm going, I cannot watch this. Like, I seriously cannot finish this movie. I was so bad that it couldn't finish it. It's like, that's why. What would have happened with this movie? Yeah, it wasn't for this episode. And so, like, I probably would have turned this movie off. It was just so bad at acting.
[00:14:26] Speaker B: I watched it in two parts, and I would say I watched the first half hour probably two weeks ago, something like that. And I shut off that night, and I was like, holy shit. Like, I don't know if I can come back to this. And then this morning I finished it. So I will say that while none of this movie is good, the second half is definitely better than the first half.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: Yes, it is. You're right. Yes.
[00:14:53] Speaker B: The first half, when you're getting the initial powers and him becoming cap and the red skull and all of his background story, and then they just like, well, you're Captain America now. Jump out of the plane, which also looks terrible for anybody questioning it. And he goes into, like, the enemy lines in Nazi Germany. And the first. The only thing you give him is the freaking shield. He's got the shield. That's it. Nothing else. And no other troops, no one to come in with him. They're just gonna chuck his ass out here. Go for it, buddy. Your first mission. And after that, he's like, oh, I wish I had a little more time to train with my weapon as he.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:15:31] Speaker B: His stupid shield out. And the. The scenes of him, like, obviously in, like, a black screen, nothing behind him. And we got a couple leaves in front of him, so it looks like he's in, like, the woods or whatever. And this light coming on him in the guard tower, and he throws the shield. That's. This is a start right here. When he throws the shield poorly, might I add, it doesn't look good. And you have this, like, sound effect.
The shield, like, going, like, it's like a frisbee that screeches. And what obviously looks like a guard tower built on, like, a train track size, and it falls over. Like, this is designed to look.
All of it.
[00:16:12] Speaker A: Yeah. Bad.
[00:16:14] Speaker B: All of it bad.
[00:16:15] Speaker A: I will say there were some fun explosions stuff, but, like, that's just like, you know, that's a given for an action movie to have some cool explosions.
[00:16:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, the truck that he's like, I don't know, he's pulling.
[00:16:26] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:16:26] Speaker B: Or something. Hiding behind this, like, cat. And of all things, you pick a fuel truck to hide behind while you got the Nazis shooting at you. Sounds like a good plan.
[00:16:34] Speaker A: Sure. It was right written into the script so that they could explode up stuff. Like, you know, that works.
[00:16:39] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: And so, like, the bad acting. And then the second reference, Paul, was they referenced Superman?
[00:16:48] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:16:50] Speaker A: What world are we living in right now where they're like, hey, we're going to do our, like, one of our number one, you know, properties at Marvel is Captain America, and we're going to reference the number one property of the opposing comic book company in the movie that now breaks it completely out of the reference of what world we're living in.
[00:17:07] Speaker B: Because, like, now it's like, I'm no Superman. Yeah.
[00:17:10] Speaker A: I'm like, wait, what? It was like, the guy from. That's like, a. DC was, like, hired to, like, someone from DC was, like, hired to write this movie.
[00:17:17] Speaker B: Maybe they were a Hydra. Like, hydra inside. There was inside the marvel, like, breaking it down when people can't tell. Like, I was laughing about how we will make this movie terrible.
[00:17:29] Speaker A: I can't imagine if it happened nowadays. Like, Deadpool references Batman in Deadpool. Tongue in cheek, sarcastic. Making fun of the other one.
[00:17:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Aren't you?
[00:17:37] Speaker A: This was making fun of yourself.
Yes. Because he goes, I'm no Superman. That's basically saying, Superman is way better than I am. Yeah. You kicking yourself.
It's ridiculous. However, they did go on, and later on in the movie, reference Submariner and Human Torch, which was kind of cool in that sense, because those are two characters that basically haven't been touched until more recently.
I mean, the actual. The human torch that he's referencing in this movie is the Human Torch, the original human torch, I'm guessing, because invaders.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: And all that stuff from the old comics.
[00:18:12] Speaker A: And so, like, the submariner was.
[00:18:14] Speaker B: That was cool. Those three together.
[00:18:16] Speaker A: Yes. And that scene. That scene. Human torch or submariner, we didn't see until we got to what Black Panther two nowadays in movies. And so there's. That was kind of cool seeing. Hearing them say that. And then the human torch again. We've seen Johnny Storm over torch. We haven't, no, but that was cool. And then, like, having it be that he's fighting Red Skull as his villain, that made me at least go, okay, at least gonna say that the villain in this, it's like in the Fantastic Four movie. Like, the villain in the Fantastic Four movie was Doctor doom. This is not something we're trying to be like. We don't want to save that character for later movies, or we don't have the rights to that character. At least this thing is like, Captain America and Red Skull go in. The Nazis and Hydra go hand in hand. That's part of the Captain America lore. I'm glad. At least that was the avenue they went, why they made Red Skull look like he had boils all over his face. I don't know. It didn't. It could have been easier to put a skull mask on. It was red, right?
[00:19:18] Speaker B: Like, it's so I didn't think when you see him and he's actually the Red Skull, I think he, like, I didn't look that bad. He caught me off guard for the 1990.
[00:19:30] Speaker A: For.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: All right. Just coming off because you really get a. The. The first real red skull look you get right after the.
So, like, after that, I was like, hey, doesn't look that bad, comparatively. Like, because you also have the. Their what? They're, like, testing the red Skull formula.
[00:19:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:47] Speaker B: Abu, the super soldier serum that they're making, and you have this, like, rap that gets affected and his whole body turns into, like, the way the red skull's face looks. And it's like, it is a bad claymation, see?
[00:19:59] Speaker A: Yes. Yes, it is.
[00:20:00] Speaker B: But also, in standard 1990 filmmaking, I'm like, all right. That's kind of common.
You know, look at Howard the duck, the end scenes of the giant demon thing that look like a lump of clay. So I was like, well, that's spawned.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: 1990S is a horrible special effects and stuff like that. And it's just part of that whole timing on the days of early superhero movies.
[00:20:24] Speaker B: So I was like, all right, I'll give that some forgiveness, but.
[00:20:28] Speaker A: Okay, so I guess. I guess my biggest point is not.
[00:20:30] Speaker B: The actual red skull.
[00:20:31] Speaker A: It's when they tried to make him look like, he's trying to fix himself, right? So that the red skull, like, with that.
[00:20:37] Speaker B: What?
[00:20:37] Speaker A: That screams at me, Paul. It screams me. You had less money.
[00:20:40] Speaker B: Yeah, it's cheaper to do that. We have an actor putting on a lot of, like, process makeup and makeup. No, actually, yeah, I did think that he was still.
He wasn't great, but he was still sort of cringey, still sort of creepy. You know, his eyes all like, I don't know, blue. Like he had these, like, gray blue contacts in or something.
[00:21:00] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: Like, I honestly didn't think the red skull was that bad. Now, some of the writing problems in this, of they capture Captain America and they strap him to this rocket. They're going to shoot him at Washington, DC. Like, that definitely screams old school, like, hokey comic. But Captain America just grabs a red skull's hand, and the red skull cuts his entire hand off.
What, this is your solution? You could. I mean, yeah, he's got super strength, but so does the red skull. And his only option at this point in time is to cut his hand off.
[00:21:37] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:21:37] Speaker B: Like, what the hell?
[00:21:39] Speaker A: Why not? Right?
So.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: So we get that. Which also over and over again throughout the rest of the movie, there's like a slight reference at one point where you see the collar between his glove and his. The collar. There's like, looks like a prosthetic hand. Yeah, but it never goes into, like, did they Luke Skywalker this and give him a robot hand? What they do, because he's using the hand constantly. He's got guns, he's shooting, he's all sorts of stuff that he seems to be using perfectly fine. We never got into that again. That he cuts his own hand off. And the scene of Captain America on the missile, on this rocket that gets fired off is horrible. It is terrible. And it only gets worse the more that it goes on.
Somehow this rocket that goes all the way across the Atlantic, and just as it coming down to Washington, DC and some little kid runs outside, like, we're in Washington, I can't sleep. And he's outside and the rocket's coming.
Just at this point, not for the who knows how long it took this rocket to get across the friggin Atlantic. Now that's about to strike. Cap finally decides he's going to do something. Yeah, I'm going to. Now I'm going to do something. You know what? It's been a hell of a ride over. I should probably try to make this not explode. And he starts.
[00:22:54] Speaker A: He's over there eating his popcorn, just waiting.
Yeah, the whole time I'm in no rush.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: He was like, oh, maybe there's, like, a screw I can get out. Then finally he's like, this screw's not going to come out. Yeah, man, I really thought I could get my thumbnail, my thumbnail under here. No, I guess this isn't going to work.
[00:23:12] Speaker A: So after super Superman would have said it would have done it better.
[00:23:15] Speaker B: Yeah, well, he's no Superman. Superman would have gotten out of this.
He finally decides he's going to kick a fin off the rocket or some freaking thing at it. And, like, this kid's sitting there and the rocket comes down, he takes a picture, and the rocket beers up at the last second as all of it looks horrible. Like, nothing in any of those scenes look good. And I watched the first clips there. I watched through that. And then he randomly crashed, lands in Alaska, somewhere in Alaska. And it literally just looks like a kid sliding down a hill. Like, he's on this rocket. He took to it, and it looks like a little kid's sliding hill, and then he's frozen in Alaska somewhere. Apparently all of that, I stopped and I went, I don't know that I can finish this. I really didn't know after that whole section, that opening, 30 minutes, I didn't think I was going to be able to get back to this. I didn't think I could choke down anymore.
Second half is better than the first half, for sure.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: Oh, it is. But it's. That's not saying much. First of all, it's like, okay, you have. It's a 12% on Rotten Tomatoes. That 12% is the second half. That right? Because it's. There is nothing that's good about the beginning of this movie. Like, there's not, like, the only thing I could say of is that my whole take on comic book movies, and then I'm just glad it's made. Like, if I was. If I was, I was four years old when this movie was released in the United Kingdom, that if I was a huge Captain America film, to be able to see Captain America on. On screen. However, one of my other notes I have here is there was way too much Steve Rogers and not enough Captain America.
[00:24:47] Speaker B: Like, there's a lot of Steve Rogers.
[00:24:49] Speaker A: So my whole thing is nowadays I love, like, the dear, the daredevil series that was on Netflix where it was, like, mostly Charlie Cox, as you know, that is, his playing Matthew Murdoch is great, but the idea is that it's trying to set up that he will become daredevil. And you're trying to get to know the person and so on and so forth in an hour and a half to two hour movie. You can't really do that. And so, again, it seems like a special effects. It seems like a budget, budgetary thing is, how much money was it to put him in the costume? This is time, energy, effort, so on and so forth. So it's like, let's make him Steve Rogers more than Captain America.
[00:25:24] Speaker B: Because the costume, too. Like, because they use the costume. It's like all bowel damage. Yeah, you suppose they had the costume. They bow damage, and they're like, well, we're not gonna make another one.
[00:25:33] Speaker A: No, I can't make it. And the other one is like, maybe it's some sort of contractor whole thing where it's like, hey, Matt Salinger, the guy who played Steve Rogers, Captain America, maybe he's like, I need to see. You need to see my face more often, or, I don't want to wear the suit that often. I'll do it for barely anything.
[00:25:47] Speaker B: He had a whole lot to stand on, apparently, his acting career.
[00:25:50] Speaker A: Yes. Well, he was in revenge of the nerds. He was in revenge of the nerds in 1984. And then Ronnie Cox, who was.
[00:25:57] Speaker B: I know Ronnie Cox is a huge actor. He was the ones in Robocop, sir.
[00:26:01] Speaker A: He was Dick Jones and Robocop, and he was in Beverly Hills cop in.
[00:26:04] Speaker B: Total recall, using tons and tons of movies. A major actor. And then he's in this as the president as a little kid.
[00:26:11] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:26:11] Speaker B: Then become president because of this astounding moment in his life.
[00:26:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:15] Speaker B: Rocket almost explodes in a mystery man. He took a picture of that somehow came out.
[00:26:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:22] Speaker B: That whole thing made him become president of the United States.
[00:26:24] Speaker A: And then Red Skull goes on to play Kirk lowly in Teen Wolf. And so, like, they actually had other movies that they're known for that this is probably one of those ones. We're like, don't watch this. We talk about comic book conventions or pop culture conventions. We're like, we have guests that come, and you're like, which one do you want to be known for? This is one of those ones that people probably don't want on their list.
[00:26:46] Speaker B: Of, if you take a movie poster or something from this or a copy like the VHS, you go try to get Ronnie Cox to sign it. He's probably not going to be very impressed.
[00:26:55] Speaker A: That'd be awesome. I'd love to get that to come. That'd be amazing. I'm sorry.
[00:27:00] Speaker B: Ronnie Cox also played a Star Trek character in the Next Generation. All these star trek fans with that, Robocop fans, you got your 1990 Captain America VHS.
[00:27:09] Speaker A: He'd be the only one yet. He'd probably like, he'd probably like, screw you on the front of it or something like that.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: On the front.
[00:27:16] Speaker A: But, yeah, I mean, that you've seen these movies where, like, there's nobodies. These, these are not really technically nobody. I mean, like I said, matt, revenge of the nerd was a pretty popular movie in the 1980s.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: That's pretty huge. Yeah.
[00:27:26] Speaker A: And so having him, Matt Salinger, coming to play Captain America is probably the similar thing where, like, when you, when you see someone gets cast in a bigger role in the Marvel or DC Universe now, and you're always like, oh, who's that? And then you're like, well, this is where they're gonna get their start. They can't get someone who's really known before because you want them to be known as Captain America. And so that could have been some of it. It most likely was budgetary.
[00:27:46] Speaker B: Watch his career.
[00:27:51] Speaker A: I don't know if it's watch this career specifically, or he just was just not good. So, like, right. You know, I mean, like, if you're. He was obviously good at it.
[00:27:58] Speaker B: I am here to tell you.
[00:27:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that some of these people, if you look at a lot of people other than your major, your Brad Pitts, you're, you know, Morgan Freeman's look, a lot of people that we see, you know, you're even Chris Evans, is Chris the current Captain America or the last Captain America?
He had some movies at the beginning. You're like, what the hell are you doing those movies for? Because you have to do the movies to get started in Hollywood.
[00:28:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:28:18] Speaker A: And so there are some movies that are questionable people's back, you know, back history and filmography of their, of their thing, the only ones that really don't have that are the ones that are like, George Clooney's and the people who are, like, been in big films basically good since they started doing right movies. But having this be like, I don't know if this would have killed. I mean, Leah Thompson says that Howard Jack killed her career. Um, but, and she's a good actress, so there's that probably why it probably did. Uh, whereas this is like, he was just not good. So it's like, you can say this. You can. He probably blames this for his career, but in the same sense, they're probably like, you just suck, man. Like, it's not good.
[00:28:53] Speaker B: Yeah, you could have. You could have maybe pulled this movie out of the fire a little bit.
[00:28:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:58] Speaker B: Instead, you just let it burn.
[00:29:00] Speaker A: Because if you're good, you get. You get, uh. You know, you get casted. You don't. You don't just get cast by being in another movie. You do. You know, you audition for these things. If you're. If you can't audition for a movie player very well, then.
[00:29:11] Speaker B: Right. You know, so we get the scene.
Cap's thawed, which, by the way, I mean, the whole ice breaking thing, like, ridiculous. And the Russians, I guess, find him or something in Alaska or something, and then he takes off. And this friend of the president that's a journalist, has been trying to find the whole mystery man.
And the Nazis somehow also find him based on a newspaper article. And they're like, oh, he's in Canada. And they showed up in helicopter. Like, how all these people randomly find him in all of Canada, right. Pretty good sized space in the. In the wilderness. And all sudden they're like, yeah, if he went from Alaska, he's probably about right there.
He's wandering fucking aimlessly.
[00:29:57] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:29:57] Speaker B: And they're like, yeah, he's probably right here.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:30:00] Speaker B: And they all show up at the same time, which is, you know, very likely. Um, and you always know they're bad guys in the nineties, apparently, because they have motorcycles, they have the dirt bikes. They're revving them a lot.
Oh, that's a bad guy. That's not the environment. He's wasting fuel over there revving that motorcycle. You know, they're a bad guy then.
[00:30:21] Speaker A: We weren't allowed to hang out with those people as kids because they're bad people.
[00:30:26] Speaker B: You go inside now. Don't make eye contact with him.
[00:30:28] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:30:29] Speaker B: So the. The chase begins through the woods with the motorcycles, and that's just not good. And the, you know, throwing. We're back to throwing the shield again, which is remarkably not good.
[00:30:40] Speaker A: Mm hmm.
[00:30:41] Speaker B: And you get they right in the confusion scene. Right. He's a little confused. He's in a german volkswagen truck, so he's confused that this got to be a person who's a bad guy.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: This is a Nazi for sure, because it's a german. German vehicle.
[00:30:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So, like, all that. So, all right. So they ruin the confusion. But he's like, you have to let me out. I'm gonna be sick.
And he gets out, and then the, like, terrible scene of the. Of the journals coming to check on him, and he just runs around. There's no super speed involved in this. There's no, like, he's Captain America super. He, like a child, runs the vehicle and climbs in and drives off.
[00:31:19] Speaker A: I just love that the guy driving the car is just like, okay, cool.
[00:31:22] Speaker B: We'Ll pull over, right?
[00:31:23] Speaker A: You're gonna be sick.
[00:31:25] Speaker B: Well, you know what? Throw up my. Throw my car, you pick up here.
[00:31:28] Speaker A: Doesn't he make a joke, too, about how he is a Nazi? Like, like he says, like, oh, well, then I guess I'm a Nazi. And I'm thinking myself, like, timing on that was not the greatest timing. Like, this is a super soldier, and now you just told him you're nazi.
[00:31:42] Speaker B: And I don't want to do that.
[00:31:43] Speaker A: Well, it's like, reminds me, like, the.
[00:31:45] Speaker B: Last thing this guy remembers is fighting Nazis. And now you're like, you know in.
[00:31:49] Speaker A: Ted Lasso where the guy's yelling homophobic slurs at one of the guys, and he goes into the stands and yells at him. Yeah, it goes back in the thing. And the guy who runs the office, guy, I forget his name is Leslie, goes, sorry about my dad. And he's like, sorry, sorry, bad timing. Bad timing.
[00:32:07] Speaker B: No, not a good joke. Not a good joke.
[00:32:09] Speaker A: Yeah, that's what I felt like in this thing where I'm like, yeah, that's probably not the greatest thing. You know, I tell a lot of jokes. I know there's some times that you don't tell jokes, and that's why one of them, when he tells when you're not.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: Yeah. When you just picked up the super soldiers, been frozen in time, and it's wandering around aimlessly in Canada, you probably don't be like, oh, I'm a Nazi. Oh.
[00:32:27] Speaker A: I also think that if you watch Captain America the first Avenger, or when Captain America is discovered in the. In the ice block, in the current MCU style movies, they put him in that, like, box. Spoiler alert to anybody who has seen it. You know, 13 years ago is a.
[00:32:44] Speaker B: Podcast about superhero movies.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: The. The box like apartment they put him in, that's really a soundstage. Make it seem like he's in the 1960s, 19 thirty's. And so, yeah, in this one, they're like, no, we'll sell in a german vehicle to go pick him up. Do you mean like, there's like, the thought process they had not shock him.
[00:33:04] Speaker B: The government isn't like, it's in the newspapers, and the government's not trying to find him. They're not like, the army's not out looking for him because he isn't an american soldier.
There's no scientists trying to figure out where he is and how he survived all these years. There's just one reporter in a pickup truck randomly driving through Canada.
How do you even cross the border? Are you here for pleasure or the press?
[00:33:29] Speaker A: He's got press.
[00:33:30] Speaker B: Like, I'm gonna go try to find Captain America. And they're like, whatever.
[00:33:33] Speaker A: A press pass gets you anywhere. You've seen that. Like, I just watched civil war. Not Captain America civil war, but civil war. The A 24 movie about post apocalyptic world where there's, like, civil war happening in the United States. And it's about these press people who are traveling across the country to go to the White House to interview the president. And they got basically anywhere because they're press. So this was, you know, whatever this adds up. This guy's just pressed, so, you know, he has to go where he wants.
[00:33:57] Speaker B: Press pass. They're like, okay, welcome to Canada.
[00:33:59] Speaker A: So the guy who directed this film is.
What's his name? Director was Alan Pullen. And Alan. Sorry, Albert. Albert pointing. He has like a dozen, maybe 2030 directing or films that he's worked on. And all of them have at least a Wikipedia page. You can click on them and go see what's going on. And so, and so the guy who wrote this film, Stephen Tolkien, all of his, he's got Captain America, the 1990 and Carolina Moon from 2007, have actual links that you can click on and go to a Wikipedia page. The rest of them don't have Wikipedia pages. That says anything.
[00:34:40] Speaker B: It's a pretty bad sign here, folks. Yeah, I changed the writer of this movie, shame on you.
[00:34:47] Speaker A: And it's one writer. So, you know, like, we talked about for like, Green Lantern and things like that, there's certain faults that what happens when people get multiple people writing on a single thing and then you end up having to, like, piecemeal things together because there's been multiple writers, different, you know, brains in it. And this is a single writer on this movie. So, like, this, this, this. This one writer is to blame for the writing of this movie.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:08] Speaker A: And then the shots and things like that are director and cinematography and all that stuff. These two guys should be ashamed of this movie, I will tell you that much.
[00:35:14] Speaker B: So I'll say the enjoyment hokiness comes to him waking up in the 1990s. And now that that's my childhood. We're in 2024. I do love the, like, 90 trope stuff. The punk. Hey, yeah. Got a cigarette. And, like, you know, the Mohawk and the. The, like, listening to a walkman. Yes, yes. All of that. The feathered hair. He's like, going on, and there's now, like, you know, no modesty. The woman in, like, the bikini running down the beach, and he's.
[00:35:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:47] Speaker B: What? Like, staring at. Did they actually. Here's a fun one. Did the song that played during all of his, like, coming to, like, reality. He's now in the 1990s. Was that written for this movie?
[00:36:02] Speaker A: There is a guy who did. So I was just about to talk about. My next thing was to talk about Barry Goldberg, the guy who wrote the music for this movie. He sucked at his job because.
Sorry. I mean, the guy's 81 years old now, but, like, I'm sorry. That was another thing where it's like, sometimes there's a redeeming thing where they go, the music wasn't bad. The entire soundtrack, the entire score, the entire. Everything about this thing is horrible. There's no. It seems like they tried too hard, um, to do something special.
[00:36:29] Speaker B: Nineties music of the, like, I've got memories of you, girl or whatever, and him showing him in the nineties and him remembering his love life, like, from the forties and, like, all that. Oh, my God. That entire scene, it got. I was laughing at it. So, like, I'll give it that for its nineties trope. Ridiculousness. I told Liz at that point, I'm like, this looks like a bad, like, rom.com from the nineties more than, like, an actual, I don't know, action movie or superhero movie or anything else.
[00:36:59] Speaker A: And I don't. We watch, like, Generation X, and we watch other. These movies that are made for tv things or tv pilots that were, like, the same thing. The Doctor strange, when they're made for tv. This was filmed and created to go into theaters?
[00:37:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:13] Speaker A: This is a feature film in quote unquote developmental hell. Because the fact that it's. You know where to put it. And people didn't. It's possible that people watched and go, I'm not putting this shit on the tv, on the screen.
[00:37:26] Speaker B: Right.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: Anybody come in, however theater.
[00:37:29] Speaker B: And this guy came across my desk, I wouldn't play this. No, I saw one thing that was. That was exactly right on. It's Captain America. It's 1990. A bunch of. It seems like it's geared towards children, but a whole bunch of it is definitely not geared towards children.
[00:37:45] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:37:45] Speaker B: And you have the exact same, like, Howard the duck problem where. What? Who the hell is this movie made for? It's not made for adults because it's ridiculous, but it's really not made for children because it's got some. It's not so much inappropriate, but like, there's violence. Not that the violence is well done either, but I mean, they're killing people left and right here. The terrorists, especially the red Skull guys, are like trying to kill people left and right. You know, I love how you said.
[00:38:13] Speaker A: That because Frank could go in as.
[00:38:14] Speaker B: A kid's kids action movie from the nineties, especially when you look at the grand scheme of things and the way we grew up differently.
[00:38:22] Speaker A: But Frank love us. Who is an entertainment Weekly critic, was one of the top critics on Rotten Tomatoes for the, for this movie in 2011. Rated, this movie went f, which is, you know, congratulations. That's correct. And f is a good score for it on Entertainment Weekly. But this quote is, the movie isn't merely wrong for kids, it's just wrong.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: Yes. Spot on. That's exactly right. Like, what? I don't know who the hell they were trying to gear this movie tours, besides comic nerds in that were at, like, my comic shop as a kid at Nostalgia Inc. They were gonna like, if this was in theater, I would have gone to seeing it, but I wasn't like a normal kid anyways.
[00:38:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: Growing up on action movies. So I would have gone seen it because, oh, it's Captain America. And I'm sure plenty of, like, comic nerds would done the same thing. I'm like, oh, hey, it's Captain America on the big screen. But it's terrible.
It is such a bad movie.
[00:39:12] Speaker A: So, so again, we're gonna, our world of these crappy comic book movies, it revolves around a world of the 1994 Fantastic Four movie. I think, I think that, like, a lot of them are like, I think every episode we talk about this kind of, like, reference. It, it's like the bar, the, well, it's like the epitome of like, like when, when Adam Morris said, and I used to do movie reviews in 170 episodes ago, we used to talk about, like, would you go see the reference was or the level was, we didn't rate them at that point. It was like thumbs up, thumbs down. Kind of like, I would go see it in the theaters if it was released in the theaters at the time it came out, or would you just stay home, wait for it to come out in dvd? You know, like one of those things. Like, I'm going to see it. All these movies I'm going to see at some point.
[00:39:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I would have seen it not knowing any better.
[00:39:57] Speaker A: My question is.
[00:39:58] Speaker B: My question is, trailer for this, I didn't look. Is there a trailer?
[00:40:00] Speaker A: I think so, yeah. Why would they let this movie, four years prior, this movie was allowed to be on dvd.
[00:40:06] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:07] Speaker A: And four years later, they did not put the Fantastic Four movie out, and they still haven't. And that this movie, and again, we're probably gonna like that. When we wrote the 1979, there's that one and then the next one. The budget for the 1979 Captain America movie is $150,000.
And that's likely going to be better.
[00:40:28] Speaker B: And that's gonna be more accepting. It's more like, okay, you did what you could. You tried, like the doctor Strange. The doctor Strange, 1979 tried, yep. It did what it could.
[00:40:39] Speaker A: So it was 19.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: This had $3 million. And I don't know what the hell they did with it.
[00:40:44] Speaker A: So there was Doctor Strange or Captain America came out in 1979. Came out, what was it? January 19, 1979 for tv. And then Captain America, two death too soon came out November 23, 1979. So there's two Captain America movies that came out in 1979. They were made for tv.
It's definitely that one because you look at the COVID of it, it looks like he's got like a motorcycle helmet on. So it's got to be.
[00:41:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I bet I saw one of those ones as a kid. I bet I rented that.
[00:41:12] Speaker A: But that comparison to the 1994 Captain America movie, again, it's like, this baffles me. What rubbish that Marvel and all these companies were okay with putting out, but they still wouldn't put that movie out. And I said, yeah, more fine touches, like actually finishing the special effects on.
[00:41:26] Speaker B: The 1994 Captain Human torch CGI stuff.
[00:41:30] Speaker A: If they fixed, if they fixed all that, it would have been far better.
[00:41:33] Speaker B: Than maybe cut out a few of the unnecessary weird mole man scenes.
[00:41:38] Speaker A: But, but other than that, like this movie, I don't know what could.
[00:41:42] Speaker B: A scripture doom in that ff movie looks far better than the red Skull, doesn't this?
[00:41:47] Speaker A: Yes. And so, like, it's just weird to me, this.
[00:41:50] Speaker B: I'll tell you what, Doctor Doom in the FF movie looked a hell of a lot better than the Captain America in this movie.
[00:41:55] Speaker A: Well, maybe they didn't want this. Okay, this is out. This is 1990. This came out. And like, oh, my God, this is shit. And so they didn't want that. Then they were like, again. Yeah. I don't know, but that still was better than this movie. So that, yeah, and so, you know, maybe we should go back and watch those 1979 ones at some point, because I think that probably redeemed.
[00:42:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:13] Speaker A: America, in the world of comics, I.
[00:42:16] Speaker B: Think we can survive anything.
So also, as a fun actor, the old man yep. Christmas story. My favorite Christmas movie.
[00:42:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:42:25] Speaker B: And I'm watching, oh, my God, it's the old man. And he. I don't. I don't think I've ever seen anything else he's in necessarily. He literally acts like the old man. I was waiting for him to start yelling at the dogs.
[00:42:36] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:42:37] Speaker B: Like Bumpus says, like, he seems the exact same in this movie. Not a bit different. This might argument to, like, the George Clooney Batman movie that it's not so much Batman, it's just George Clooney in a Batman suit. This is the old man wandering around a Hydra castle. And apparently he just works for the Red Skull, but he's posing as his general.
[00:42:58] Speaker A: Like the other person. Yes, the other person in this movie. Ned Beatty, who was Lex Luthor's, like, sidekick, Otis in the Superman, the 19, you know, 1978 Superman movies.
He was, like, his, like, sidekick in that thing that he was in this movie as well. His name is Ned Beatty. He went on to also do. He was one of the characters on Toy Story three and so on and so forth. He's one of.
[00:43:22] Speaker B: I know, I recognize his voice, too, when I heard his voice.
[00:43:24] Speaker A: Nominated for Academy Award.
Yeah. And so he was in this movie as well, which is kind of cool.
He died in 2021, so you won't actually get to hear our review of this episode.
[00:43:36] Speaker B: But he was the. He was a reporter, right? He was the president's friend. The reporter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:43:44] Speaker A: His name. Beatty.
Yeah. So, like, this movie is not good.
[00:43:49] Speaker B: You had to give the recorder or something? Gave it to cap. You have to get this to. I don't. I don't know that ever came up again.
I don't understand what the whole point of that was.
[00:43:59] Speaker A: Nope.
[00:44:00] Speaker B: Uh.
[00:44:02] Speaker A: I don't see anybody else. That name jumps out at me. But there could have been other people in this movie that went on to do other things, but I don't think there was.
[00:44:09] Speaker B: Not that I saw. Yeah.
[00:44:13] Speaker A: What's that? I just saw a reference to something here.
So the writer, Jeffrey Spro Sprouse is another writer who tried to potentially work on this film. And they were also going to include Falcon, Baron Zemo and Helmut Z. Or Helmut Zemo and Bucky Barnes as well. And they ended up not doing that. And so, I don't know, maybe a good call. Yeah.
[00:44:34] Speaker B: Because there's already weird characters in this disaster.
[00:44:37] Speaker A: No.
[00:44:38] Speaker B: Um. So my final thought watching through the end scenes of this movie. One, the big Captain America Red Skull fight.
[00:44:47] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:48] Speaker B: I. I'm a. I'm an old school, like, pro wrestling fan. Grow up loving pro wrestling. Pro wrestling looks much better than this fight scene, I can tell you right now. We can go back. We can watch wrestlemania seven. We can watch SummerSlam. Anything is better than the fight scene between cap and the red skull on this.
[00:45:05] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:45:05] Speaker B: Like, terrible, terrible, terrible acting fight scene. Just bad. All that is just bad.
Red skull, this giant jumping back kick, which is great. When the hell the red skull learn martial arts? Like, I guess we. I mean, he had time, right? He wasn't frozen. Decided he was going to work out, take some tai chi lessons, stuff. Yeah.
All that was really bad. The whole fight seems terrible, and then he decides he's apparently lost somewhere in this. He's decided he's lost. I don't know where the Red Skull is chosen that, you know, this. This. He's not going to win this battle. And he goes up to a piano on the edge of a cliff of his castle. Why he has this piano looking out to sea, we don't know by itself. This very expensive grand piano.
And he pulls out a futuristic slash ancient device that is a trigger for this bomb that is neither modern nor not. And he sets it off. That is going to kill all of eastern Europe. Like, 70 million people he's bragging about are all going to die. And cap finally somehow manages, you know, he gets to the shield, and he off goes the shield again. And there goes the red skull tumbling off the castle. Apparently, him dropping this device now makes the bomb not go off. We don't know captain ever gets the thing. He never stops it. As long as I hit him with a shield.
Problem solved.
[00:46:37] Speaker A: Solved. Yeah.
[00:46:37] Speaker B: And then through the whole thing, you have the red skulls evil daughter and all of her evilness and in wickedness, and she kills Sharon Carter's mother, Captain America's love interest and all that.
[00:46:48] Speaker A: And.
[00:46:48] Speaker B: And now she finally gets hers as the shield coming back around. And he simply sells heads up, and presumably it hits her. She. Look, she turns around, and then he just catches the shield because you can't show her getting hit with it, so. And that was. That was the big conclusion. I'm sorry for anyone that wanted to not get this. You know, I should have worn alert for the end of this.
[00:47:14] Speaker A: This movie came out 34 years ago. Wow.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: I went through whatever it was at this stage, let's say 85 minutes of this movie to get this big close. What the hell?
[00:47:25] Speaker A: Like, again, I don't. I don't think anybody knew what they were doing.
[00:47:30] Speaker B: It's not like I think the guy writing it was like, huh? All right, so we're gonna make him go up on this for no reason at all. He still got a machine gun that he's blasting away a cap with, but he's gonna pull out this random device that he apparently hit up here in case things ever went badly. He wanted his favorite piano facing the ocean because he, you know, whatever.
What? Yeah, like, what the, what the hell happened here? Where did we get. I can understand, like, did this guy, like, have seven Captain America comic books he went through and was like, oh, we'll reference this and that. And he's like, I don't really know how to end it because all of mine, I have, like, a second part of a three part mini series. I don't know how you end these comic movies. Yes, like, none of my comics have an ending. So we'll wing it.
[00:48:17] Speaker A: We'll wing it just to figure it out. And at the end, we're like, we gotta end this movie.
[00:48:21] Speaker B: Yeah, we're running.
[00:48:23] Speaker A: I guess we'll do this.
[00:48:24] Speaker B: I guess we gotta end this thing.
[00:48:25] Speaker A: I was gonna make this scene for a different movie, but we'll make, we'll just put it in this movie, and we'll just change the characters a few minutes and, you know, so on and so forth.
[00:48:31] Speaker B: But they're comic book fans. Folks are stupid. They're not gonna ask questions.
[00:48:37] Speaker A: Well, I guess that part of it is the fact that if you put someone's name on it, like, like Captain America, you have that ability to, to potentially sell tickets anyway, right? Any Star Wars Star wars movie, any Star wars movie out there that comes out is going to make its budget back because the word Star wars on the screen is going to send people to the screen to see it, whether or not they make billions and billions. Billions. It's obviously, you know, to be known whether or not the movie's good or not. But I feel like there are nowadays in this. But this is 1990, is a Captain America film. In 1990, outside of the nerd culture sphere, was it enough to bring in people to see it? And that's probably why it was trying to find a home and then eventually just came out on dvd. And, you know, I mean, we look.
[00:49:22] Speaker B: At, like, Dick Tracy came out in this era.
But, yeah, you try to compare this and look at this comparatively to Dick Tracy. It's like, yeah, this is horrendous.
Consider this. Sure. I mean, the budgets are different. And somebody didn't write Dick Tracy's entire movie in, like, 15 minutes in the background, airplane bathroom, which is what this movie seemed like it was written in. Yeah, like, it's just.
[00:49:49] Speaker A: There is a trailer for it, so if anybody wants to see it online, there is a trailer.
[00:49:54] Speaker B: I'll have to watch the trailer.
[00:49:55] Speaker A: You can also just like, I was gonna click the link on my, on the post to this thing to buy it, I guess, at the hour and 37 minutes movie. It's just on YouTube too. You could buy it or watch it. Some guy named Kindnessness Eternal uploaded it by uploading this movie, but no one took it down. And I would say it's not in any close fear because it's been on there for eight years and has 7.8 million views. So I'm sure that they're fine with it being on the Internet, I guess, for free.
There's also.
[00:50:28] Speaker B: You can also watch people to pay you to watch this.
[00:50:31] Speaker A: Paul, for the movie dump, a YouTube channel has the final scene for Captain America in the 1990 film available to watch as a one off thing. So if you want to watch the eight minute, ten second final scene to Captain America, you can watch that on YouTube.
[00:50:50] Speaker B: I am interested because I saw there's, there was a thing that there was a director's cut of this movie, which, by the way, we'll get into this perfect quote, but there's a director's cut of this movie. And I'm assuming we watched the original watch the theatrical release.
[00:51:03] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:51:04] Speaker B: Supposedly, according to the cult followers out there, the director's cut is much better. And I read this whole thing out loud and my daughter Charlotte goes, is it just a whole different movie? Is the director cut like a completely different movie? And I'm like, it would have to be. This is like, you're not going to have scenes that weren't shown that somehow make this movie that much better. I can't believe it. I have a hard time buying.
[00:51:30] Speaker A: I do love that the bad movie society on YouTube has created a, the best of for this movie and it is ten minutes and 46 seconds long. So there is some actual shots there, but the word best is in quotations. I don't know if it was on purpose or if it was just like that's what they thought they were supposed to do, but it says the best of the Captain America 1990 film. And so that's kind of actually kind of funny. And then honest trailers from, from screen junkies, uh, they did an honest trailer using footage from, uh, I think the MCU Captain America movies as well, and using some voiceover. So that bike actually be worth funny, a funny watch to see that. That fun, that. But it's kind of funny how, like, there's this 8 million people on YouTube alone. This one tried to watch this movie or watch this movie on there.
[00:52:13] Speaker B: So there's a lot of people who dedicated to. What was it just, like, it was the only free movie on YouTube. No, they couldn't find anything else. Yeah, they thought this was a Chris Evans one.
[00:52:28] Speaker A: Michael Scott on the office that I went and saw bowling for Columbine, and it was really pissed because there was no bowling in the movie. Yeah, that's probably what this was. If you were like, oh, Captain America, where's Chris Evans? Chris Evans was like, four when this movie came out.
He could have played the young. That would have been awesome. Oh, my God. Years later, the kid became Captain America would be amazing. But no. So, Paul, you know, drum roll, please. We do not give zero stars on this podcast. I just. There is a thing that you can do zero stars on, like, rotten tomato and all that stuff. Or, like, they don't actually. You know, this has got to be. It's a half star for me. It's. It can't be any lower than that. And that's where it's going to go. It's the bottom of the.
[00:53:10] Speaker B: If I give a quarter star, I would give a quarter star.
[00:53:12] Speaker A: But half star is the lowest rated.
[00:53:13] Speaker B: Laugh at some of it. Thinks especially. So here's the problem, though. I guess I laughed at it when he's taking itself seriously. Yes. I'm not supposed to be laughing at it.
[00:53:22] Speaker A: No, no.
[00:53:23] Speaker B: But I did. Um.
[00:53:24] Speaker A: But that's why we review it, and that's what we talk about it.
[00:53:26] Speaker B: Yeah. So I'll give it that. But no, the lowest of reviews for this movie is. It is bad, folks. Like, besides, you want to watch this, be prepared for how bad it truly is.
[00:53:39] Speaker A: And I hate to say, surprisingly, but it is surprising that this is the worst. Like, out of all the movies we've watched so far, this is bad movies.
[00:53:47] Speaker B: Yeah, this is. This is the worst of them.
[00:53:51] Speaker A: So, birthday to America.
[00:53:54] Speaker B: Bad acting is bad. Writing's bad. There's just.
[00:53:58] Speaker A: Everything's bad.
[00:53:59] Speaker B: There's just nothing that you can say that is realistically good about it.
It's just a bad movie, folks.
[00:54:07] Speaker A: Yes, it is.
We did this episode specifically to celebrate America's birthday. And I don't know, maybe it's.
[00:54:17] Speaker B: Hey, this movie was released on July 2 in America.
[00:54:20] Speaker A: Maybe this was the reason we did this to say.
Maybe the reason we did this to say is that we're glad you live in America. Where if you want to make a shitty Captain America movie, you can make a shitty Captain America.
[00:54:31] Speaker B: Yes. If you.
[00:54:33] Speaker A: No one was brought out to a.
[00:54:35] Speaker B: Fear of our Captain America love by making this.
[00:54:37] Speaker A: No one was brought to the town circle and hung. No one was shot in the middle of the movie.
[00:54:41] Speaker B: No one should have been.
[00:54:42] Speaker A: Yeah, like, don't add a flogging because of this. You can make this shitty movie.
[00:54:46] Speaker B: You can make.
[00:54:47] Speaker A: You're more than welcome to. You can make it, but this is, this is not one that I would recommend you watching. I think you got everything that you needed to know about this movie from this episode of the podcast.
[00:54:57] Speaker B: But if you want movie, go watch that ten minute clip on YouTube of the best of this movie. And maybe the best thing is if.
[00:55:04] Speaker A: You, if you imbibe in some, some mushrooms or if you smoke a little weed, if that's your thing, maybe that's what you do prior to this. Not saying we're in telling you that.
[00:55:17] Speaker B: This movie, good reviews probably did that.
[00:55:20] Speaker A: Into that kind of thing.
[00:55:21] Speaker B: Reviews of this.
[00:55:23] Speaker A: If you want to drink a couple of orno brewing company pints and then watch it, which actually, yes. That's like guessing Paul did. Well, he didn't do that this morning, but maybe the first half an hour of it, I kind of wish I had, and so on and so forth. So maybe that's your thing, then go ahead and do that. But, you know, it's probably not going to get any better. It actually might make it worse, but, yeah, this is not a good movie at all. Uh, in any stretch of the imagination. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it across the board, uh, was bad. If any redeeming things on it, that's where that half star came from. You know, like the fact that we did see somewhat comic accurate, the fact that red skull was in it, uh, fact that they mentioned submariner and they mentioned Human torch. That's what gave it to half star. Yes, that's what gave it to half star. Everything else is the reason why it's not, as everything would have made it.
[00:56:10] Speaker B: A zero star at comic accuracy.
[00:56:13] Speaker A: Yes. And it, I will still fail miserably.
[00:56:16] Speaker B: That's all. That's all it gets.
[00:56:17] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:56:18] Speaker B: And so, like a giant, like, half star logo come up on.
[00:56:22] Speaker A: Bam.
That's another one down, Paul, another one down of these not so amazing movies.
Another one down, I think so. Up next for us is we're going to figure some things out because of scheduling of, my schedule is filling up, so it might actually be a minute.
This one, you know, coming out in July, they actually, next one might not actually come out until sometime in August, late August, but we'll figure that out. But it is either going to be TMT and that would be more fun to watch. Or it might be Captain or, sorry, Catwoman, which would be more not so much fun to watch.
[00:57:00] Speaker B: And so right after this movie, you know what? I think we could use a cleansing and have like new TMNT and have something that's like, oh, man, that was, that was nice. I needed that after this Captain America movie. Like, I don't know if I'll ever be right again after watching.
[00:57:17] Speaker A: And that's why I think maybe we'll have to so many movies to watch and there's so many episodes we can record these. So maybe we push and maybe next year we watch the two Captain America 1979 movies that number one, number two together and do one episode and just do next year's 4 July.
[00:57:33] Speaker B: Next July. Yeah. You know what? I'm down for that. Let's do that next July. We'll plan that. We'll just stick both them together because God knows, I can't imagine we need to review those separately. No.
[00:57:41] Speaker A: And maybe just do one. And just do one. Maybe that's live one. That's where we do one person. We watch it and have fun with it. But we'll see.
[00:57:46] Speaker B: But yeah, I really hope it's got to be better than this one.
[00:57:50] Speaker A: It's, I'll tell you right now, I will put money on it that it's bet better than this one. Right now. The only problem that one has is I know he's a lawyer. And that to me is like why someone has to screw with something is just right. So maybe it's not bad. I don't know.
You have nostalgia thoughts in it because you said you may remember watching that maybe when you were younger. So there's that part of it. If the motorcycle scene actually happens, then you're going to be like, ah. And so maybe that gives you a little bit of, more of a, yeah, there it is. Or upward, but galactic comics and collectibles, it's on Hammond street in Bangor, Maine. Check them out. They have a great comic collection. Other stuff, too. If you're into Pokemon cards, magic cards, toys, action figures. Action figures, all that stuff. And you can collect comics and collectibles.com. if you're on Facebook, you're on Instagram, all those things. So check that out. And then Amazon.
[00:58:39] Speaker B: We're already there. We're already in your house.
[00:58:42] Speaker A: If you keep an eye out, we'll be making a galactic on 2025 announcements here pretty soon as well. So check that out as well. But, yeah, until next time, Paul. Yeah. Half star Captain America's in 1995 star Justin.
[00:58:57] Speaker B: I don't even want to thank you for this.
[00:59:00] Speaker A: Sorry, Liz. Oh, wait, no, she didn't end up having to watch it.
[00:59:02] Speaker B: Yeah, she didn't have to watch it.
[00:59:04] Speaker A: And not like she's listening to this. Let's let's like, let's be honest here.
My grandmother at one point was like, oh, I'm gonna start listening to it. And I'm like, why don't. You don't want to. Um. But, yeah, so till next time, Paul.
[00:59:19] Speaker B: Right, till next time.
[00:59:21] Speaker A: Yeah, keep reading comics, people, please.
[00:59:23] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
