Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesandtights.com I'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. Once again, this episode is brought to you by our friends over at Galactic Comics and Collectibles at galactic comics and collectibles.com this episode, we welcome back the proprietor of Galactic Comics to the podcast to discuss the 2005 Fantastic Four movie. And it was a doozy. No, it wasn't that bad. The movie came out on July 8, 2005 and it was the first.
Excuse me, release Fantastic Four movie. There was the unreleased 1994 movie which we have reviewed in the past. Check that one out. But Paul Eaton joins us to discuss the 2005 make of this movie in preparation for the new movie which is theaters on July 25th. So check this one out. But before you do, find us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, bluesky or Threads, you can also rate, review, subscribe over on Apple or Spotify or wherever you find your podcast. You can also find us over on YouTube and as always, you can go to Capesandtights.com for so much more stuff like reviews, top 10 lists, more podcasts, and so much more. This is Paul Eaton of Galactic Comics and collectibles discussing the 2005 Fantastic Four movie. Enjoy, everyone.
Welcome back to the podcast, Paul. Eating. Glad to come. No. Welcome back, Paul. Welcome back to the podcast.
[00:01:24] Speaker B: Oh my God, again.
Look at that.
Well, I sticking out our numbers here. That we were going to do this like once a. That were we going to do once a month or something.
[00:01:34] Speaker A: Yeah, we went like eight weeks without doing it.
[00:01:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:01:36] Speaker A: And the fact that we skipped the Superman review like altogether. So.
[00:01:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I watched that movie for no apparent reason.
[00:01:44] Speaker A: No. Yeah, it was good though. Here's the deal. I had you. We were planning to do it and you watched a movie, the Superman. Superman, the movie, the original.
That wasn't bad. So it wasn't like I had you watch a movie that was really crappy.
[00:01:58] Speaker B: And then you watch that freaking man thing movie.
[00:02:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And then we didn't do anything with it. Yeah, we'll do Superman at some point in the future. I think there's just some things to come out. Maybe we'll do it this fall. I don't know. We'll see.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: I went this weekend. We were gonna go see it. Yeah, like everybody in the store keeps coming in saying how good it is, the new one. So we were gonna go see it. And let's like Saturday was. Was Katie's birthday, so we had all that we had the party and all this stuff, and then Sunday, man, it was raining yesterday and it was just like a super lazy day. Yeah. Finally. Because of course, Katie got, like a gift card and she had, like, money burning in her pocket. So we took her out shopping. And by the end of that experience, I'm like, I'm done and done.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:02:36] Speaker B: I'm gonna go hide in my room. I'm gonna read a book. I'm through here.
[00:02:39] Speaker A: Plus, I mean, I feel like, the excitement. If you're excited to go see a movie, it changes the experience. And if you're just like, oh, I'm gonna go see this. Just go see it. So you might actually have been like. You might have perceived the movie differently, being, like, worn out and tired. Yeah, I've done that. Where like, any slow moments in a movie that you're. When you're already tired going into it and you get sleepy, you're like, oh, this movie is sleepy. But it's really not. It's your environment. It's the whole.
Why some people don't eat at restaurants after getting super drunk at a restaurant. And the next day, that night they feel sick and they're like, oh, the food must have been horrible. Like, no. How about the 17 drinks you had? That's probably what the issue is. So going to movie tired or worn out is probably not the best idea. Even if it's exciting.
[00:03:13] Speaker B: I can't. I can't remember what movie it was, but I definitely, like, fell asleep. That. That, like, little entry sort of sleep you're gonna do. I fell asleep during a movie at the cinemas with the new, like, reclining seats and stuff. I don't remember what movie it was and I don't think it was necessarily a bad movie. But, yeah, I had that. I was like, kind of have. I was listening to it all sudden. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I paid money for this. I'm like sleeping here.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: My entire family, so I have two brothers, an older brother, younger brother, and my parents. I all fell asleep. We rented Mr. Magoo. The. The remake of Mr. Magoo. This, like 20 years ago.
[00:03:46] Speaker B: Yeah. I've never seen. Right. Who even is in that?
[00:03:49] Speaker A: I want to say actor.
[00:03:51] Speaker B: Right.
[00:03:51] Speaker A: It's what's his face from Pink Panther. I thought, was it what, Steve Martin? Yeah, yeah, it might be as a TV series a couple years ago.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: So I love the cartoon that. The old cartoon, like the one. It must have been like the forties or whatever.
[00:04:07] Speaker A: No, it's Leslie Nielsen. Sorry. Not Steve Martin. Leslie Same thing.
[00:04:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: So my entire family, like, we literally like all of a sudden I know we woke up and the credits were rolling and I look around like. And everybody's just like. We just fell asleep. It was the weirdest thing. It probably again was the movie wasn't. It's a 4.1 out of 10 on IMDb so it probably wasn't that good. But it probably wasn't bad enough for us to fall asleep. It was probably the circumstances. We were all probably worn out from the weekend or the week or whatever it may be. But it's a story we always tell about to each other about like, hey, remember that time we fell asleep watching a movie?
But yeah, I've done it before. Even movies that are exciting. So you know, it's just like, it's just again it's your, it's your mindset. So yeah, I mean Superman will be out for a while. It's making money. So.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: Did you fall asleep during Fantastic Four, the 2005?
[00:04:49] Speaker A: I did not. You know, you're gonna hate me for this.
I did not think it was as bad as it's been hyped up to be. It's not good, I'll tell you that right now. Fantastic Four from 2005 is not a good movie.
[00:05:05] Speaker B: But this was bad as I remembered it being.
[00:05:07] Speaker A: Yes. So there is definitely some things in this movie that were a hal. Hollywoodized. It was. It was changed for like, well, no real apparent reason.
Plot holes. There's a bunch of stuff like that in this movie. Bad acting. I think there's really bad acting like it at all. I saw however in. If you compare it to all the other comic book movies we've gotten over the years, maybe that's probably right because of what we've been able to see. We don't in the. Especially in the Marvel universe where we've been able to see some really tremendously well made movies. And then you have this.
[00:05:38] Speaker B: I gotta tell you this, I gotta say right now, review style. Right now I would watch this over watching the Inhuman CN Yeah, like I'd watch. I'd watch this like twice in a row back to back over watching humans again. So like we talk about like the modern stuff but man, I don't know. This really wasn't that bad.
You know, I don't want.
[00:06:00] Speaker A: Yes. No, it's not good.
It's not. It's. It's not good. The acting is really, really, really bad for most part. I think the only person I really enjoyed the acting was, was Johnny Star. Was Chris Evans, really good.
[00:06:12] Speaker B: I think that the. The guy playing Mr. Fantastic was that bad.
[00:06:17] Speaker A: No, I, I think he's more.
[00:06:18] Speaker B: I personally, humbly, as a. As a comic reader, think Mr. Fantastic is kind of a boring dude anyways.
[00:06:23] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:06:24] Speaker B: Well, like you can get a dry actor. You kind of covered it well.
[00:06:27] Speaker A: Mr. Fantastic, again, I think that was more. The acting wasn't as good as. Oh, no, sorry. The writing was better than the.
Sorry. The acting was better than the writing in that situation. I think in that situation. I feel like he did a great job with what he was given, but I think there's a little more like bumbly.
I think he's just shy and nerdy in the comics. In my opinion. He doesn't have this fumbling.
Yes.
Whereas if like Ms.
Sue Storm, I think in this is horrible acting. I think she's beautiful. Jessica Alba, I think she just wasn't very good at acting and the writing wasn't that bad for her. So I think there's a mixture of both in that set for all the characters.
Ben Graham, again, is a little bit. They made up in the air, I think. I think the casting wasn't horrendous in that sense.
[00:07:18] Speaker B: I don't think the casting is horrendous. I think a couple of my thing ones they did a good job with, like, oh, he's heavy and they're showing that. And he's powerful. He's throwing stuff. He's. The elevator won't go with him on it.
[00:07:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Overall, he just doesn't seem that big.
[00:07:32] Speaker A: No.
[00:07:33] Speaker B: And I know they were like, and the suit sucks. Yeah, the suit's not good. And you know, and I. We were actually having to talk about this in the store for what I heard they had originally planned on doing a CGI and they. And the actors like, no, because I. I love thing and it's CGI at that point was probably not going to be that great.
[00:07:50] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:07:50] Speaker B: Especially if him all the time.
So instead they went with the physical look. And I think that's some of the thing is that he just wasn't big enough and his facial features were just all off. He always looks sort of surprised.
[00:08:01] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: Always looks a little surprised. No matter what. He should be angry. He should be this or that. He just always looks sort of surprised with the, like the way that costume ended up.
[00:08:10] Speaker A: Well, they could have mixed it. I think nowadays.
[00:08:13] Speaker B: Fingers in the comics.
He's got Ninja Turtle fingers in the movie. He's only got three in the thumb. And I was like, where the hell does Pinky go.
He turned into a rock. I mean, Chris Evans is nice that he's like, where are your ears? Which I did find funny.
[00:08:26] Speaker A: Well, that comedy is the. Is the Marvel comedy, in my opinion. And that's. But there's. I think again, there's. There's certain ones that go a little too far. I think you'd agree in. In Thor Ragnarok, there was that point where it goes through too far. And I think that there's just like. It's a. It's a. I like the tension breaking humor because I feel like Endgame. Infinity War. Yes. Please don't tell a bunch of jokes. This is a very serious moment. We're in everything else, I guess, even in the end of the world type things or big monsters or big, you know, big bads. I feel like there's still time for a joke here.
[00:08:57] Speaker B: And there's always that one. That one person that. That's how they break their tension. That's how they deal with their stress, is by saying something inappropriate.
[00:09:06] Speaker A: I never looked at it. But yes, the thing does have only three fingers and a thumbnail in the comics. Yeah.
[00:09:10] Speaker B: All right, then.
[00:09:12] Speaker A: But I think if you would have made. Obviously we're doing this review now because it's in relationship to the new movie coming out here pretty soon. So. So that's one of the reasons why we're doing this. This review now is just timely and so on and so forth. So they are going to do it. They're doing it right now. However, if this movie was made, this specific movie from 2005 was made today, I think they would have taken practical effects of the suit and then CGI'd over it, in my opinion, that would have worked like making some things. But when he actually turns, like on the bridge and he's like helping the guy that's about to commit suicide and he's like trying to help him, he's like pushing back out of traffic where their first time there is a team and the people around them see them as a team and then seeing they can do help, they could do good with. His powers is he. When he turns and moves his hand, the whole thing moves as one. There's not like this. It looks like a suit moving. And that, to me, was the big issue with it. So I understand, you know, Michael Chiklis being like, oh, I like this, this, this, this character I want to be with. But in the same sense, it probably would have been better to have shitty CGI in my opinion, because at least look like he's Wearing a suit. In my opinion.
[00:10:13] Speaker B: He definitely had the. The. The rubber monster suit.
[00:10:16] Speaker A: Everything. I mean, the reason why.
[00:10:18] Speaker B: Sound effects. When he touches himself, it sounds like rocks rubbing. Like they. They did those things. But some of it just.
[00:10:25] Speaker A: And you haven't seen the 2015 version of this, right?
[00:10:27] Speaker B: I have not, no. I believe we were watching Fantastic Four. I was sort of afraid that's when we're watching that. I guess I should at some point, just to see how bad it really is.
[00:10:37] Speaker A: And I don't remember specifically I have to rewatch this. And so don't like, fact check me on this, but they did well in that one too. Is when he, like, touched things and things shot off of him. Like pieces of rock fell off, which would make sense, in my opinion, if you're made out of rock, that you'd be you, You. You chisel off. Not like chunks falling off, but like you get dust and stuff like that. And so, like, I felt like when they shot him with the bullets, it just like bounced off of him and it made, like, the noises. But like, there's not this, like, crumbliness to it that it would be. I don't know. To me. So you said that suit was the biggest, biggest faux pas for the characters. Special effects in the early 2000s are not always the best. So that's. That's fine. In that sense, they weren't horrible.
[00:11:17] Speaker B: They. I feel like overall, most of the special effects in this were done at like a distance. They were done. They weren't overly used. So it didn't like. I mean, there were a couple moments that definitely looked 2005, but overall the effects weren't that bad in this movie. Like I said, kind of like, yeah, okay, that's.
[00:11:36] Speaker A: And that's why I said from the beginning, I don't think it's as bad. I think the biggest plot issue or the biggest issue is the story itself and how they adapted comic books into this. And I think in the early days of making these movies. So you're talking X Men Blade, like the beginning of the boost in comic book related movies.
[00:11:57] Speaker B: Spider Man.
[00:11:57] Speaker A: Yeah, all those ones is that they tried a little bit further.
You should have stuck way more to the source material like it should have been. I don't want to see Fantastic Four number one on screen. I just.
I don't want to see more of.
[00:12:11] Speaker B: The words that would have looked in 05.
[00:12:13] Speaker A: Yeah. But my whole point is that I also do want a slight adaptation because I want it to be something a little different because I don't If I want that story, I'll just open up Marvel Unlimited and read Fantastic Four number one. You know, like. Or get the trade or whatever, the omnibus or whatever. Just lcs.
But no, I think that.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: Grab your Marvel epic from Fantastic Four 1.
[00:12:33] Speaker A: But I think that if I need a slight change, and I do think that there is a need in the adaptation from comic to movies in the sense that, okay, I don't like the idea that Dr. Doom was with them, but I understand why they did it. It's a smoother and easier way of selling it in a movie. Just to have them all be together and have the story move forward that way.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: Nothing bothered me the first time I saw this in theater. It still bothered me.
[00:13:00] Speaker A: I don't like it, but I understand it.
[00:13:01] Speaker B: Like, you had the perfect plot thing in the idea that he goes up, he. He puts these shields up, he leaves them to die. Right. Like, that shows the selfishness of. Of him and everything. And then they could have come back to Earth and they all have powers and he'd be jealous of it. Yeah, he'd be jealous of the fact that he didn't get powers and they did. And they're getting all the spotlight on the press. And at that point, have him start building the suit or dig into his. His history in black magic. Do something with that instead of the, like, weird. He gets powers, too. And it's.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: Well, I mean, you could have done that, what you just said, and then just splice that together with what actually happened with the whole trying to use the machine to get their powers away from them. And he did the machine to give him powers afterwards. And that caused. So that, like, you could almost splice those two together, make it so he wasn't there and that he was jealous that he didn't get the powers that everybody else got. And then he tries to give himself powers by breaking in and going to the machine that Mr. Fantastic is using to try to get their powers away from them, to give himself some sort of something.
But, like, there's very little Latvia or Laveria. Like, there's very little, like, connection to that.
[00:14:14] Speaker B: Very few references to it.
[00:14:17] Speaker A: But they're very few and far between what I do. They did a good job at the idea that he had a small scar on his face.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: And that was what. That was obsessed with it. And that is comic book, you know, accurate in the sense that he's so worried about the ways to look at it. And it's like, you and I have, like, oh, a pimple scar. And we're like whatever. And he's like very, very, very, very, very, you know, particular about what his face looks and that's why he wears a mask. But like they did. So like I said to me, like that was. They didn't need to do that. But I also feel like there hasn't been an adaptation. Again, you haven't seen 2015s yet, but that has been good. And so that's what I'm hoping for. That's a new Fantastic Four movie. Is that like we're gonna get a good Doctor Doom adaptation? Because they just for some reason keep faltering on one of the greatest villains in Marvel history.
[00:14:59] Speaker B: So I think watching this, watching this again, I was less critical of Doom than I was the first in other times I've watched it. I still don't like him having weird powers.
[00:15:10] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:15:10] Speaker B: I still don't think that overall that Doom looks very good.
I don't know. He starts getting these like it's growing through his fingers. His fingertips are metal. And it just doesn't. I don't know that I think Doom was one of the weakest parts of it. And then he gets the mask on and that looks better. You know, he's got the cloak in the master, which you don't see very much. It's very short lived.
But he.
I don't know. Something about the actor's voice of Doom with this doesn't feel like Doom to me. It's not what I envision of Dr. Doom. He just doesn't seem that like intimidating, that all powerful like all the things that Doom are. That's like what you want to see. I feel like in the movies just not there.
[00:15:56] Speaker A: No, I mean it was better in the 2000. You haven't seen 2015 and you haven't seen this new one which he's actually technically not in the. The Robert Jr Jr is Dr. Doom has been said to be in the post credit scene because this is Galactus and Silver Surfer in this adaptation. But which is great because I also feel like don't rush into. I mean that's a character that we're gonna build off of and so on and so forth.
[00:16:18] Speaker B: Yeah. If you're gonna use Doom, you I, you should be using Doom for like the next wave of Marvel movies.
[00:16:23] Speaker A: And then our, our review of the 1994 that Doom is better than any of the other Dooms that have been.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: In Marvel costume wise that Doom like.
[00:16:32] Speaker A: That Doom is like kicked ass. And so like that's to me is like again, I don't Think Marvel looked at the Big Bad as much. I feel like when they were looking at these early movies, I think they were looking at, how do we take the protagonists, your heroes, and make them the focus? And that they have to fight villains to make this work. And so they kind of, like, phoned in a lot of the villains in.
[00:16:53] Speaker B: The early days, and the bad guys are just there. They're just villains for the sake of.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: Villainy and not realizing that as we grew as a world, that we all also fell in love with villains, too. Like, there are people who are super, super impressed. We didn't have villain comic books until, you know, the past 15, 20 years. Like, most part.
Like, there's a Thanos comic books that came out, and they're. You know, they're. There's these comics that come out for these villains. Doom comics. They didn't have that when Fantastic Four came out. It was Fantastic Four, and that's it. You need. So. So I think things have changed.
[00:17:23] Speaker B: I think, like, I don't think Magneto even had an actual origin until X Men150. Yeah, that's a long time to be like, all right, this is, by the way, why Magneto is the way he is.
Like, they were. The bad guys were just kind of there for the sake of being bad guys. And I feel like this movie definitely has some of those vibes. It. Doom has a fair amount, or at least Victor Von Doom has a fair amount of screen time, it felt like. But actual Doom, in the sense of what he should be, was very limited.
[00:17:52] Speaker A: And I think that's my biggest problem with this whole movie is that what is the plot? Like, what is the. Yeah, so we. So we. So we have the origin story, which is what we needed, right? Because obviously every movie from this day.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: The whole movie was this drawn out.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: It was. It was the setup to make the sequel, which obviously is called Rise of the Silver Surfer. So, like that.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: Which I kind of want to watch now again.
[00:18:16] Speaker A: I did. I, too, but it's worse than this, which makes me go, yeah, I know.
[00:18:19] Speaker B: Yeah, I remember it being bad. Yeah, I want to watch it again now.
[00:18:24] Speaker A: She has to have the origin story. So the origin story is fairly close. They're not scientists.
All scientists. They're not all astronauts. They're not all nerds in a sense, to go up there.
[00:18:35] Speaker B: It's a different than that 051 where they just randomly pick up two strangers. Like, oh, hey, we grew up with you guys. Yeah, hop on board the spaceship. You guys don't know how you're doing.
[00:18:44] Speaker A: This one is there, there is that.
So there is that difference in what the team structure, but the idea of going to space and getting hit by, you know, some sort of storm in space giving you your powers, all of that is, is cool. I did like that they like, they came back and they all look great. And that joke about Johnny Storm looking at Michael Chicklist and being like, hey, you look ugly. Da da da da. And you're like, oh my God, here's going to figure out he looks like.
[00:19:09] Speaker B: A normal, but he just looks like himself. There's nothing they could do.
[00:19:13] Speaker A: And then like Johnny Storm snowboarding and getting the powers on that. However, they made him so much more in the public eye. And they were in the public eye in this movie, but like, it made him more like wanting to be on ESPN action sports and all that stuff. And he has that feel and vibe to him in the comic books, but not that extreme.
[00:19:33] Speaker B: Well, I think you go back and read the old 60s stuff, man, he was all over the place like that. He was this like him, he was.
[00:19:39] Speaker A: A hothead and impulsive.
[00:19:41] Speaker B: He was, yeah. And he was all like, I don't know, he was going into the schools and giving lectures about like being cool and blah, blah, you know, being hip. And he was like, Johnny. I feel like they sort of nailed the fact that the Human Torch is kind of obnoxious.
[00:19:54] Speaker A: Yeah. And they do have that kind of obnoxious hothead. He's impulsive, that kind of stuff. But, but, but he does mature, modernized it a lot. Yes, they did. And I think, I honestly think Johnny Storm was my favorite character in this, in the movie. I think, you know, Chris Evans, I almost like him better as, and this is gonna say something, but better as Johnny Storm than I do as Captain America. I played it better. It's so funny how the juxtaposition of the, of the characters too, though, like Johnny Storm being impulsive and wanting to be in the public eye and wanting to like them all wanting their powers taken away. And Johnny Storm's like, no, I want to keep this, like I, you know, so on and so forth. And then you look at his Captain America role is like, I don't want to be in the public eye. I'm not the person who, you know, I'm just, I'm here to fight for America and for the people. I don't care if anybody knows who I am kind of thing. And it's just funny, those two characters. And I even mentioned it to people in your shop. I think even on Wednesday about how I don't like that they even cast Chris Evans as Captain America after he played Johnny Storm. I know it's two different universes. I know all that stuff. But we're all big Marvel fans. You're going to watch this movie and then you're going to watch Captain America. And it bothers me in that sense that a character played two different characters in a. And now they can explain it by saying it was multiverse that he actually did play. He was Johnny Storm. Like, you know, I mean, Chris Evans.
Yeah, but it's. To me, it was always that thing. And I said, it's funny. It's not as bad as Josh Brolin, who plays Cable in the Deadpool universe and Thanos in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And now they're all in the same universe. So technically, he plays two characters in the same universe before casted that way. Like, Obviously, Robert Downey Jr. Is playing Doom in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, who's also played Iron Man. But there's a point to that. Maybe I'll explain it. Maybe they'll explain it.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: If you don't know the comic, you'll figure it out later. Yeah.
[00:21:35] Speaker A: And so I think that, like I said, Johnny Storm. Chris Evans as Johnny Storm was a great casting, I think. I think he did the young attractiveness. They went for attractiveness in. In Sue Storm. Like, they went for that beautiful blonde woman, but they went too much into it, I think. I think that they, like, over sexualized her in a sense, a lot.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: Yeah, there was a lot of, like the. Her stripping out in her underwear and then, oh, I'm not invisible anymore.
[00:21:58] Speaker A: Which I'm not gonna say I wasn't happy to see. I'm not. Let's be honest.
[00:22:02] Speaker B: It definitely played into, like, that whole thing.
[00:22:04] Speaker A: No, but a lot. It made it feel almost like her looks was the only thing. I mean, she's a smart person and she's smart in the comic books and she's.
She's supposed to be smart in this movie, but, like, you forget about how smart she is. Yeah, because they're focused on her looks.
[00:22:18] Speaker B: In the grand scheme of thing, which I think the Invisible Woman is. Is a little bit harder anyways.
But she doesn't do a whole heck of a lot in this movie.
[00:22:26] Speaker A: No, no. Like, she's there to sell the movie, I honestly think, because Jessica Alba was hot at the time. Not physically hot, but also acting hot. And so is Chris Evans. You know, Michael Chiklis was in.
What's it called?
[00:22:38] Speaker B: The Shield.
[00:22:39] Speaker A: The Shield. Thank you. So he had that. The thing. And I don't know if the guy who played Mr. Fantastic, I don't know who that is. It's. His name is. It's hard to say, is it L or loan? I own I O A N Gruffle Guffard.
But I think that the big casting, the big selling point was her, was Jessica Alba. Like.
[00:23:05] Speaker B: Of all of the scenes in this movie, the one where they get hit with the storm, when they're in the space bridge.
[00:23:11] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:12] Speaker B: And each one's like, ah, they're feeding back. And then like this close up on her. That's like up in her face and everything. And I'm like, wow, that is serious. 2,000 vibes. Like, just bad.
[00:23:24] Speaker A: Yes. Well, it's. But Mr. Fate. The problem is I don't know who this guy is. Grufford, but I also don't think he looks unlike Mr. Fantastic. Like, they did a great job looking at a picture.
[00:23:35] Speaker B: He was pretty decent.
[00:23:36] Speaker A: Yes. Yes.
You know, but I do think that it was one of those things where I've always said what I don't like about what the casting of this new film is by going with Pedro Pascal and other. Other casting, the rest of the three, I can kind of see because they're well known in a sense. Like, if people watch the bear, you know, they. They. You know, Ben Grimm is in the bear technically, so. But, like, it's not like they're like, massively huge.
[00:24:05] Speaker B: Too. Especially now where he can be cgi. It's like you don't necessarily know. Even though they did make Thanos kind of look a lot like Josh Roven. Well, I think I certainly know it's the same person.
[00:24:15] Speaker A: I like the idea they make him look at it. So. So does Incredible Hulk looks a lot like Mark Ruffalo. Like, I think that's good. I think that's.
But I don't know. I wish they would have gone with almost nobody's because again, if they feel.
[00:24:27] Speaker B: Like that's a more successful thing in the Marvel universe, when you really go back and look, most of the big successful actors that came out of Marvel weren't in a lot of stuff before.
They were in the side movies here and there that, like, I mean, Chadwick Boseman is the Black Panther completely crushed it. And I know he had what Jackie before, but something else.
[00:24:48] Speaker A: But it was still. Yeah.
[00:24:50] Speaker B: His own realm there. And just like Chris Hemsworth wasn't in a lot of stuff before suddenly being Thor. So it was.
Yeah, it was easy to see these people as their characters.
It's gonna be a lot harder to not just see Pedro Pascal as Pedro Pascal. And I feel like he's also famous for being Pedro Pascal now. Like, yes, he's. He's huge in the Last of Us. He's big in Mandalorian. But, like, just being on Saturday Night Live and being in all these things that you just kind of see him as Pedro Pascal, I. I feel like I'm gonna have a hard time watching this upcoming movie and believe he's Mr.
[00:25:25] Speaker A: Fantastic, incredible actor. That's not saying anything about his acting skills. His skills are fantastic. And that's why you can see why.
[00:25:31] Speaker B: They cast him as well known as he is now.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: But so to me, and I feel like you could get away from that, like, so back in 20, 20, 2005, when this movie came out, guarantee you that the Marvel, the Fox people and the people, you know, talking to Marvel about how things go. And so, because obviously Fox on the rights then was they needed star actor, couple of star actors to sell the movie. You need it back then. It was like, you got to have someone on the picture. First of all, she's got to be attractive. Second of all, you got to. She's got to be famous. And so let's sell the movie with that. And nowadays, I think Fantastic Four as a whole, now you've got enough core audience who just wants to see the movie and then.
But I think they went backward, but they went a little bit. And I think that what Superman just did well, was that the guy playing Superman and the woman playing Lois Lane are both, again, good actors and actresses, but are not like, oh, my gosh, this is a star mainstream. The villain is the one that's actually the star. You know, I mean, so, like, to me, it's like, make a character in this movie, make Dr. Doom someone that's super famous. And then the four people, the Marvel's first family as the people that were like, okay, they've had things, they're talented, they're good, but they're not super famous. And that could sell the movie, in my opinion. And that's what they could have done almost, I think in this, like having, you know, Galactus and Silver Surfer be like, famous, famous, famous, famous people. And then the four people, like, build them and it would have been cheaper. I can't imagine Pedro Pascal's freaking cheap.
So. But I think that's. That's mix it missing of the first movie, the casting of Jessica Alba was, I think was a mining financial selling tickets.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: Oh, 100.
And like, the scene the scene of her when they're on the bridge.
[00:27:19] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:27:20] Speaker B: And she. She strips down. Oh, no, I'm not invisible. And then she goes invisible again.
And they're like, oh, she's gonna get us behind the scenes because she's invisible. And then all of a sudden they're on the other side of the accident.
Never explained how her invisibility got the rest of them across. The whole thing was just sort of pointless.
Like 100 I was going through Watch again. I'm like, wow, there is no plot to that at all. That was just.
[00:27:48] Speaker A: It was hurt them the big. And again, I think that the first 35, 40 of the movie was fairly well done in a sense. Like in an adaptation sense of it. I don't want to say it's a good movie, but I'd say it's in the sense that, okay, we're. We're a group of people who go to space, get powers, learn how to use these powers, how to control some of it. Why it's trying to figure that out. Mr. Fantastic is trying to do his dude, you know, sucking himself into the work, trying to figure out what's. What happened. You have them come together and save a street level problem.
Yep. And then you. Okay. And they become the public eye. And then from that point on, I feel like it just went nowhere. It was like them versus Doom, but not in a scale that Doom was going to take over the world and he needed to save. It was like them versus their friend. Yeah.
[00:28:34] Speaker B: They're still like running into him and just having everyday conversations with him. Like he sits down with Ben Grimm there in the like pancake house or whatever and they're just like chatting and I'm like this just. I don't know. Yeah. And then all of a sudden he's like on a rocket launcher and he's shooting it at Johnny Storm.
[00:28:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Yep.
[00:28:52] Speaker B: Yeah. The whole. Yeah, the whole flow. Especially that last half the movie just didn't really make a hell of a lot of sense, you know, anywhere. And then also don't know how or why we got there. I don't know. It's. I think overall, I think this movie is fun.
[00:29:07] Speaker A: I think it's entertaining. It's an entertaining movie. It's not one.
I can see why people don't like it and why it doesn't resonate very well with people. Especially again, after. If no more Marvel movies were ever made. After this movie, I can see people liking it more, but because we got such great Marvel stuff afterwards, it just goes down and down and down and down and down. I mean, it is a 5.7 out of 10 on IMDb. Okay, so that's not insanely bad. It's 20. Which is 27% on rotten tomatoes. 27% on rotten tomatoes. Again, bad. But there are definitely movies we watch that are worse than that, in a sense. But for the, for. For audience wise, it's 45. So it's again, 50. 55.7. 45, you know, which is a 57 on IMDb. 45 on rotten tomatoes. It's a 50. 50. I think people like it. Some people like it, some people don't.
[00:29:58] Speaker B: It's.
[00:29:58] Speaker A: It's not. But it's not one of those ones where I would be like, do not watch this movie like this. It's.
[00:30:03] Speaker B: It's a. Yeah, we definitely watch way worse movies than that. Oh, yeah, I would. And to correct myself earlier, it's eternals I don't ever want to watch. And humans still hasn't happened yet, and I don't.
[00:30:12] Speaker A: Well, the tv, they had a TV.
[00:30:13] Speaker B: One which I've never watched.
[00:30:15] Speaker A: Yeah.
But we've got good things after that. And I think that that's the, you know, it's a.
It's a.
[00:30:24] Speaker B: It.
[00:30:25] Speaker A: It's not a horrible adaptation. We, we know we haven't talked about yet, but there was a Captain America movie in the 90s or 80s. 78.
[00:30:33] Speaker B: 78.
[00:30:34] Speaker A: That Steve Rogers is a lawyer.
[00:30:37] Speaker B: Yeah, the lawyer.
[00:30:38] Speaker A: Okay. That's the adaptation. It's like, what the heck were you thinking? Why'd you go, that was pretty bad?
[00:30:45] Speaker B: Yes, the Doctor Strange America was much worse than that.
[00:30:48] Speaker A: Yes, yes. The Doctor Strange one was pretty bad in that sense of, like, story. So, like, there is this, you know, the adaptation sometimes, and it was written by these two guys, Mark Frost and Michael France, and directed by Tim Story, this movie. And so there is this sense of people having to make it their own thing because they don't want to. Just people would be like, oh, it's just the comic book on screen. So. And then again, behind the scenes, I have to sometimes go, I don't know how it works. Like, I don't know how Hollywood works in the sense of, hey, guys, we only have this much footage to shoot. You need to get all of the characters to have powers of some sort in one time. And so the way they wrote it into the story was that the Four got Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom all go to space and they all get it. Okay, that's not something that I'm gonna go, okay, this movie sucks. Because of that. It definitely hurt it in my opinion. But it didn't ruin the movie to me. The biggest ruining to me was some bad acting.
Some. The suit for Ben Grimm and then the fact that it really just didn't do anything. Like I just felt like it was no excitement.
[00:31:53] Speaker B: All plot was just not really there.
[00:31:56] Speaker A: No, it's fine.
[00:31:58] Speaker B: It's a fun movie. But overall the plot is not really.
[00:32:00] Speaker A: I went to look this up. Do you think that it makes sense?
[00:32:04] Speaker B: All the like Doom. The Doom's reasoning makes sense, but yes, it just still wasn't good.
[00:32:10] Speaker A: I want to know what the. What they list for genres.
Okay, so according to Google, it's action fantasy, superhero, adventure, science fiction, supernatural, children. So it doesn't actually. Oh, this is just all of them, huh?
It's a superhero. I hate that because it used to just say superhero back in the day. And so they don't actually like break it down. But to me I would almost classify this as a freaking comedy and I don't. I don't want it to be that. And so when, when the, when the comp book came out right in. In what year was that?
60. 60 something.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: 60.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: 61.
[00:32:45] Speaker B: 61.
[00:32:47] Speaker A: It was very sci fi adventure superhero action. Like with the family dynamics in it. Like it was like a bunch of that all in one. And then well, they had fun and stuff like that. There was definitely serious moments with Doom and stuff like that. So. But what this movie was, it leans a lot into comedy and lightheartedness and with obviously Johnny Storm telling his jokes and things like that.
And there was a lot less seriousness and more of a celebrity aspect to this movie. Do you know there was like the.
[00:33:14] Speaker B: Celebrity side of things, only other part of it was constantly Ben Grimm being mad about being the thing and Mr. Fantastic trying to cure him from being the Thing and the weird like Doom playing thing against them. Yeah, of like, oh, you sure he's just not having fun spending time with his girlfriend.
And the fact that Doom and Sue had this previous relationship that was kind of weird. Like all of that stuff that none of it was.
None of it was really there. And yet that was the plot.
[00:33:44] Speaker A: Movie take place over like what, a couple weeks? If that. Right.
[00:33:47] Speaker B: If that Right.
[00:33:47] Speaker A: And so he went from.
Ben Graham went from. And I do like the line they say what's the worst that could happen? We're going to space for a bunch.
He gets turned into his ugly rock monster, which again we can all relate to life.
[00:34:03] Speaker B: And Liz point.
[00:34:04] Speaker A: Do they need that? Like to me, I'm like, do they need that?
[00:34:06] Speaker B: And then, like, he quickly got over it. We're running out in the middle of New York and nothing like underwear, basically.
She comes running out like, all right. She probably got some mental unstability. Like, there's some problems here. Yeah, yeah. And then she's like, she's breaks up with him over the fact, like, ends her marriage or the fact that he's turned into this rock monster. Obviously this is, like a traumatic event, but what if your husband was in a car accident and got burned or something? You're dumping him. That, like, kind of shows a lot about you, lady.
[00:34:34] Speaker A: Yeah. It makes it. She's a shitty person in this movie. Like, that woman is like. And the fact. The funny thing is also, again, the crappy part about it is they make the blind woman, the one that's attracted to him also, which makes it seem like the looks still do matter, but she can't see you, so it doesn't really matter at this point. But I felt like the time space was like, from, like, him being whatever annoyed he has to go to space with. With Mr. Fantastic and then hating him because he looks the way he looks, to wanting to go against him with Dr. Doom to at the end of the movie being like, hey, we'll still work on. I'm gonna work every day, every hour to try to figure out how to reverse these things. And him going, I'm okay with it. To me, I was like, oh, my God. It was like. It was like an up and down thing. And over, like a span of a week and a half, he was like, yeah, I'm okay. From being. To the point where he, like, his marriage ended because of it.
[00:35:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:21] Speaker A: It just felt like it was like, okay, they needed to get that story arc in there, but they just, like, it was.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: He needs to save his friends. But he goes from like, oh, I'm finally back to being myself again. I could, you know, try to move on my life to ask her. I'll go back to being a rock monster.
[00:35:34] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:35] Speaker B: And then like, okay, so we know we can cure the rock monster thing, but we don't. We don't really. It's like, yeah, yeah, human for 15 minutes.
It was a little overrated. I'll go back to being a rock monster. Yeah. All of the. The things whole, like, plot in this was very off, which is also one of the problems with the movie. It's one of the things that makes this movie just feel weird is all of the things plot.
[00:36:01] Speaker A: Yes.
Yeah.
[00:36:02] Speaker B: I think that was one of the Things of this movie that just didn't really work right.
[00:36:06] Speaker A: I think like I said, Mr. Fantastic, if you look at back at anything, there's not really any problems other than the fact that I think he was more flubbery and more like fumbly than I wanted to be. I want him to be shy and reserved and focused as a nerd on his work. And that's the reason why he's not attracted, not, not focused on Sue Storm.
[00:36:23] Speaker B: Seems like sort of like.
[00:36:25] Speaker A: He seems like just a nervous guy. He like he's attracted to and wanting to date Sue Storm again. So much failures of his too.
[00:36:35] Speaker B: Like not being able to read the storm was gonna. That the, the storm, his base was gonna hit that fast. And not being able to understand that the shield wasn't gonna work. Everything just seemed like he wasn't actually that good at it. He couldn't pay his bills. Yeah, like, everything kind of seemed like Mr. Fantastic for being Mr. Fantastic kind of sucks at everything he does. Oh, and I feel like that wasn't really accurate or right for the character either. So I feel like that is another like issue with this movie.
[00:36:59] Speaker A: What was his rent like?
Oh, you can't pay your bills. Like, right. Like $50,000 a month lease on that, that skyscraper.
[00:37:12] Speaker B: And then like, and everything he's doing randomly, like the electricity is probably insanely expensive. Doing all these bizarre tests.
[00:37:20] Speaker A: It's a, it's a. I think it.
[00:37:21] Speaker B: Would have gone a long way if they'd done written something else into the thing and not cured him.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:37:26] Speaker B: Would have made a lot more sense. Because I feel like if you're a human, you, you get back and you're like, oh my God, I'm out of this horrible nightmare of being this like Rock Monster. Yeah, my friends need me. As a human, I would probably try to figure out a way to stop Doom, not be like, well, turn myself back to Rock Monster.
[00:37:42] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:37:43] Speaker B: Seems like the only one we see.
[00:37:44] Speaker A: That with the Incredible Hulk too. It's like he doesn't want to go back. There's certain things he tries to do. The whole Professor Hulk and all that stuff. He tries to like figure a way out in the middle of it. But like, you know, maybe he thought in his mind that it happened once, I can do it again. So maybe go back to this Rock Monster and I can get back again. But like, and then he's just okay with it.
I don't know. It was a weird Nikes.
[00:38:03] Speaker B: Now. I'm good Nike made my own shoes. I'm terrific now.
[00:38:06] Speaker A: Product Placement there for sure.
Also with the way that Mr. Fantastic's storyline goes for him.
[00:38:15] Speaker B: And that was well placed. That was funny.
[00:38:18] Speaker A: I could have seen them go to house of X age Hickman age way Professor X or not Professor X.
Mr. Fantastic goes as the maker. That time and error of Marvel in the sequel being how bad he was at everything in this movie. Like how miss and how he just gets so pissed off that he becomes this horrible per. You know, like. But they don't. And I think that in this movie he's, his attractiveness to Sue Storm isn't what we want to see a comic book wise.
She wants him.
She wants him. She wants him. She wants him. He's too entrenched in his work to see it and to focus on it. And instead he's like willing to not focus on it and go to dinner. I know there was a plot point because they needed to make it so that Ben Grimm would get mad at him again. But like I do think that that, that wouldn't happen in the comic books. I feel like he'd still be working on this and Sue Storm would be trying to get him to go today but not get him to actually do that. And you know, I, I that to me there's a bunch of that stuff. So that's the biggest issues. To me.
[00:39:22] Speaker B: I do think that those are the issues with this thing that just don't quite.
[00:39:26] Speaker A: And it's because there's enough of them.
[00:39:28] Speaker B: None of it quite feels right.
[00:39:29] Speaker A: Yes, because there's enough of them. It brings the movie way down. I think that's, it's like a bunch of small things. There's not enough amazing things and there's not even like one so amazing thing that, that saves it. It just, it keeps that Human Torch.
[00:39:42] Speaker B: Is probably the, the star of the whole thing of being and being a. I don't know, the most accurate all the way around vibe and feeling of the character was Human Torch. He's obnoxious, he's funny, he does whatever the hell he feels like doing. Like all of that just seemed right, you know.
So.
[00:40:04] Speaker A: Yes. And I think that that's the, that's the big point. And I think that if this to me, I think also what hurts this is it's the Fantastic Four.
[00:40:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:11] Speaker A: So if you write this, obviously if you write this movie as a Marvel movie, not Marvel, non Marvel movie, it probably is not that bad. People, I don't care about it.
[00:40:18] Speaker B: But yeah, if this was a random sci fi movie, it would probably be forgotten into history and nobody would care that much.
[00:40:24] Speaker A: The other side of it is if this was a, you know, like now they just did the Ironheart show and they've done other shows that are like lesser known characters and so on and so forth. Again, probably would have gotten some sort of a pass in the sense of it. But like, let's be honest, like if you look at the history of Marvel, the history of Stan Lee, the history of some of these characters, Jack Kirby, all these people.
But, but if you hear how many times Stan Lee used to talk about how the Fantastic Four was his, like, I'm just gonna, you know, the second time after with the whole mixed in with the whole Spider man thing, like doing his own thing and creating his own thing is. It deserves better if that makes any sense in the history of Marvel.
[00:41:00] Speaker B: It deserves, it really goes like Spider Man.
[00:41:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:03] Speaker B: Fantastic Four.
[00:41:04] Speaker A: Yeah. And.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: And then really probably like your Captain America, Iron Man.
[00:41:09] Speaker A: But the Iron man wasn't even until more recently Iron man, like it was like back in the day, it was.
[00:41:13] Speaker B: Like you had your Marvel one was Iron man like way back and then you had like tales, suspense. But Iron man himself didn't really become a centralized main character until what, like the 70s?
[00:41:23] Speaker A: Yeah, like, so I can't be the.
[00:41:26] Speaker B: Same with Demon in the Bottle, which really like gave his humanized character.
Those were the, the things that made Iron man stand out until then. He was just.
[00:41:35] Speaker A: And I think Marvel is capitalized on, on Robert Downey Jr. I think that nowadays it's like, it's like it's one of the, if they ever say, oh, we're gonna do five key series and that's it, Iron Man's going to be one of them. Yeah, but, but back then, I don't think so. They're not, they're not the same. But Superman, right. In Spider Man. Right. They're like the, the, the most known characters in each of their, their respective universes. But secondary to me, I think it's one of those things. For the longest time it was Batman and then again not the same. But the Fantastic Four was like the secondary. Like if you had a title that would sell equally Detective comics and Fantastic Four, I think those two were the ones. And so getting a good Spider man movie out there and the Sam Raimi Spider man movies, like the first one wasn't horrendous. It was, it was, it was good. I mean it was for the time.
Yep.
[00:42:21] Speaker B: You got a lot of people watching.
[00:42:22] Speaker A: Spider man and obviously X Men's in there too. X Men. I think it's like after Fantastic Four, in my opinion. But I think that that's a big problem is that they took this such an iconic group and kind of like phoned in post of it, like didn't. Didn't flesh the story out, didn't.
I don't know. Again, I get, I guess in 19, 2005 or 2003 when they turn to when they cast this movie. Was it a bad cast? Probably not. I just looking back on it, it probably looks worse to me.
[00:42:50] Speaker B: But.
Well, like if Jessica, if Jessica Alba's. I don't know, overall acting in the writing of the character were better, she may have been a better looking cast of this, but I mean a lot of her writing and plot was sort of pointless.
[00:43:06] Speaker A: That's my whole point. The whole thing is somewhere.
[00:43:08] Speaker B: So. Yeah. So I mean overall the casting of this movie and everything may have still looked better too if the writing around it had been better.
[00:43:17] Speaker A: So let's look back on it. So I'm just doing this as a fun thing for us to do. We're going to recast her role in 2005. Best actresses of 2005. Okay. It was created by some random person on social media.
[00:43:30] Speaker B: Credit to a random person.
[00:43:31] Speaker A: Okay. Number one on their list is Scarlett Johansson. So like she was in Lost in translation in 2003. And so at that point she would have been a little hotter, but like, you know, and she could have potentially done it.
Rachel Weiss, who was in the Constant Gardener. I don't know who this person is.
Kiara Knightley.
[00:43:50] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:43:51] Speaker A: She'd just been in the Pirates of the Caribbean.
[00:43:53] Speaker B: Caribbean, yeah.
[00:43:54] Speaker A: Wreath with Reese Witherspoon.
Reese Witherspoon. Natalie Portman.
[00:44:02] Speaker B: Oh, God, yeah. Natalie Portman was in everything in the 2000s. Yeah, that makes sense.
[00:44:05] Speaker A: Naomi Watts or Rachel Zellweger.
[00:44:10] Speaker B: I think Renee's Zellweger, I think is one of my. That Liz really like Charlize Theron drives her nuts.
[00:44:19] Speaker A: Charlize Theron could have been it.
But again, if you wanted to go a little lesser known, right. You could go, how about Anna Faris?
But there are some people on here that would have been fairly good in, you know, in the time to be someone who's attractive but not, I think would have been better actors. That's 20 people from 2005. Not one of them was Jessica Alba, by the way.
[00:44:43] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. Jessica Alba wasn't on the list. Yeah.
[00:44:45] Speaker A: So like, to me it's, it's this. I don't know, I just feel like they, they 100% didn't care what she acted like.
It's just she was attractive and her tits were out.
[00:44:53] Speaker B: Like, you know, that was her whole character plot.
[00:44:57] Speaker A: And let's be honest, we're talking about comics here, Paul.
Look at the characters that we see in comics. They're all there to be attractive. But I think that there's like, we have the ability to change that in movies. So yes, they need to be attractive because they need to be able to sell tickets, but they don't need to be sexualized to the point where, like, she's invisible.
[00:45:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:17] Speaker A: And I understand that part of it. The idea that the powers connect the personality and so on.
[00:45:24] Speaker B: Well, that was the thing. Invisible Woman, like Invisible Girl, Invisible Woman. Like, it connects that power. She feels that way. Jessica Alba never portrayed that.
[00:45:34] Speaker A: No.
[00:45:35] Speaker B: Like, she just seemed like. Like right when she walks into the room with Doom in the beginning, like she wants to command the room. All this and that. She's seeing everything else. Kind of hard to believe that she would feel invisible.
Like. Yeah, this doesn't. I don't know.
[00:45:48] Speaker A: I'll tell you right now, I don't. I don't think she wears that underwear. Matching underwear set in the. In the. In the movie or in the comic book. Yeah, she's wearing white tighties and white bra. Like there's no frilly lace thing in the movie or in the comic books.
[00:46:02] Speaker B: That was. Yeah, that's totally there.
[00:46:05] Speaker A: But yeah, so that to me is a huge thing. And I think the biggest thing to me, again I will say is the fact that it really just. I just felt it in the movie. Like, cool. I heard learned about the Fantastic Four getting their powers.
But like in a movie you need to have this like arc like this, this, this.
[00:46:20] Speaker B: Yeah. There wasn't third act.
[00:46:22] Speaker A: That was like. It was. There was a third act, but it was almost like no one in the world would have known about it. No, it wasn't a movie.
[00:46:28] Speaker B: The movie was an origin story. Like it was just very drawn out.
[00:46:32] Speaker A: I need, in my opinion, like what's gonna happen in this new Fantastic Four movie is that they're. People know about them. They're obviously not doing. So a straight ahead origin story. They probably will do the whole.
And this is how they got their powers 5 minute thing at the very beginning and then go on from there. Or some sort of flashbacks. I like the idea of like having.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: Their powers of these early movies were the origin story. Yeah, origin story was in all of them. And that they planned. They may have planned on a sequel being the movie that had a Point. And the first one is just an origin story.
[00:47:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:04] Speaker B: And I feel like you go back and watch these and a lot of them are sort of that way.
Like just the amount of times I've seen Bruce parents die.
[00:47:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: Bruce Wayne's parents die.
[00:47:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:14] Speaker B: I get it. Yeah.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: That's what they did with this whole.
[00:47:17] Speaker B: Shot off into space. I get it. Like, we could.
[00:47:20] Speaker A: I'm okay with that. I'm okay with. Nowadays, we know the Fantastic Four is okay. So you have an unreleased one that it's been popularized. So people have seen it. There's the 2005, there's the 2015. So this is the second official adaptation. This is the third one coming up. We know that they go to space and do that. The people that are gonna go see it so you can touch on it, do this whole like. And make it go, okay, this is how it happened.
[00:47:42] Speaker B: Do this like news report thing at the beginning.
[00:47:44] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:47:44] Speaker B: Like flashing through as they're doing credits or whatever.
[00:47:48] Speaker A: Or start the movie. And then like five to ten minutes into the movie, do a flashback saying, oh, yeah, that time that night. And they show the flashback about how it happened. But I guarantee you that the world is going to be in peril in this movie. Or at least the city. City of New York is going to be in. Yeah. So to me, I'm like, that's what this movie was missing. I think that Dr. Doom in this movie needed to get to the point where he was so bad so quickly in this movie that they had to save the world.
[00:48:14] Speaker B: All he does. I mean, he. He murders some people. Yes.
[00:48:19] Speaker A: He probably did before he became Dr. Doom. Let's be honest. He was a high tech.
[00:48:23] Speaker B: He didn't never touch any of that. Yeah. And the fact that like, he. He killed some of these guys that were. You kind of. I don't want to say had it coming, but. Yeah, like, they were enjoying his failings and this and that. So, like, him killing him was like, yeah, whatever. And.
And then after that, he's like immediately going to attack the Fantastic Four. Yeah. There is no like him. I am Doom. I'm gonna. Yes. I'm gonna rule and control the world. I already rule and control an entire country. You know, any of this stuff going in and seeing the stuff that Doom had done, you're right. It was just like instant. Almost like Doom was like street level, which is not Doom.
Like. Yeah, I just.
[00:49:01] Speaker A: I needed more. I needed more.
[00:49:03] Speaker B: Gonna hold up like 711 down the street.
[00:49:05] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:06] Speaker B: I am Doom. I will control this.
[00:49:08] Speaker A: I need my icy My slushy.
[00:49:11] Speaker B: What do you mean, the slushy machines down? Is that McDonald's?
[00:49:14] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:49:16] Speaker B: The ice cream machine's down.
Lightning bolts off of the restaurant.
[00:49:23] Speaker A: But like it's again, take the Fantastic Four out of this movie. Like as a title, make it a sci fi movie about these four people who are friends, who get powers, cosmic powers.
Why are you going to see the next one, Paul?
[00:49:34] Speaker B: Oh, God, I wouldn't be right.
[00:49:36] Speaker A: So obviously they sold tickets.
[00:49:39] Speaker B: Maybe the ending with.
Because honestly, that was probably the best part of it. The end and then the flashing and then seeing the boat going away with Doom locked up and then going to Latveria was probably the biggest thing in the movie. That was like, oh, cool, all right.
[00:49:55] Speaker A: It was like before post credits. It was like the other post credit scene, like before post credit scenes. And so why are you going to see the second movie if this is the first movie if it's not the Fantastic Four? There isn't any. And I think that needs to be said in a movie. I think that needs to be said when a Marvel movie or a comic book movie gets made. When you finish watching Superman, when you go see the theaters. Why do I want to go see this movie now, the second movie, the sequel, if it wasn't Superman? There has to be some sort of story there. You can't just rely on the thing. And I think they relied on that origin story and they relied on the fact that it's the Fantastic Four. So it did well enough, and people liked it well enough that they can make a second movie. Right. And have people go see it. So the first movie was made as we finish up here. The first movie was made for $100 million and made 333 million.
Okay.
[00:50:41] Speaker B: By the way, that's a pretty decent box office. I saw that. They pulled that. They pulled the money and people were going to go see Marvel movies at this point.
[00:50:48] Speaker A: Yeah.
And in the sequel, which came out in 2007, so two years later was made for 130 million. Okay. Understandable. A little bit better effects, a little bitter stuff. A little bit better.
[00:51:03] Speaker B: Quite a bit of it.
[00:51:04] Speaker A: Right.
Made 302 million.
So, like, it still made the money. People still went to see it again. It was because they hooked people in because it was called the Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer. So you've got Silver Surfer in there.
[00:51:14] Speaker B: I was there. I saw both of these in the theater.
[00:51:16] Speaker A: And again, that's what the problem is. I think if it wasn't for the words fantastic Foreigner, these movie wouldn't Sold it again. It's easy to say, Justin. That's the whole point. I understand that. But like, I need a good movie that has the skin of these.
[00:51:29] Speaker B: Don't. It's fun. I think this movie holds up being fun. Fun. But as far as an actual good movie, this movie doesn't hold up at all.
[00:51:35] Speaker A: So. So Ant man, right? Ant man movie. The OR has an origin story. It's an orange story movie. It's one of the. It's one of the last few, like straight ahead origin stories in Marvel comic movies. Now take the word Ant man out of it and make it just a sci fi movie about this character.
You want to go see the next movie? It's a heist movie with this. So. So to me I'm like, that's my point. It's the same thing with Guardians of the Galaxy in the first one. In my opinion, it's a comedy and they make you want to go see one.
[00:52:04] Speaker B: You know, the relationship with him. I don't love the relationship amongst these four people. I don't care.
[00:52:09] Speaker A: I. I don't think that there's enough.
[00:52:11] Speaker B: People who like there and they don't do much.
Yeah.
[00:52:15] Speaker A: I feel like the best relationship is actually between Ben Grimm and Johnny Storm because they, you know, like, I make fun of you, you make fun of me kind of thing because we're friends. I think that is the proof. Yes.
[00:52:24] Speaker B: Yes, that's it. Yeah. They had the best, like, bromance situation going. I, Ben, and in Mr. Fantastic with Reed don't really care that much.
[00:52:33] Speaker A: No.
[00:52:34] Speaker B: Susan, the. The romance between the two of them was not good.
Like Reed Seuss romance just doesn't. It's just not there. No, I don't feel like there's any spark in that at all. Yeah. Literally the best relationship in the whole movie are those two. It's the thing in Human Torch.
It's. I don't know. So what do you think? What is this? Is this a C movie? Is this like a 2? 5 out of 5?
[00:52:57] Speaker A: I put 2 down. So I put 2 down because I feel like it's. I feel like I agree with the majority of the people out there where it's like 50%, but just below 50%. And that's only. Again, I think that there's a skew if I, If I watch. If you and I watch this as non comic book people, I don't know how many people would like this movie. Like, we probably just a little bit because we're Fantastic Four fan.
[00:53:16] Speaker B: So here's mine.
Still So I watched this movie with my family. Well, I watch it with Liz and I watched it and Katie watched it. Yeah, Katie is nine.
She really liked it. Yeah, she had fun.
[00:53:29] Speaker A: Entertaining.
[00:53:30] Speaker B: And they got done. And Liz goes, I really like that movie still. It's just fun. And I'm like, yeah, I can see that. So I think two and a half. I think it's fine. Yeah, I think they nailed the fun part of comics.
[00:53:40] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:53:40] Speaker B: Anything else?
None of the rest of it was there. So I'd go two and a half stars.
[00:53:47] Speaker A: Perfect. Because as I said, it's right in the middle. I don't think it's. Like I said, I don't. I think that it gets bad. Not bad, bad rap. I think it gets. It gets a super bad rap. I think we talked about this with Daredevil too. I think it's a huge bad rap because of the time. And I think the Daredevil, my guilty.
[00:54:00] Speaker B: Pleasures, call that movie so bad too. Oh my God, watching Daredevil, that is so bad. And yeah, I still. Ben Affleck is Daredevil. I love him as Daredevil.
[00:54:09] Speaker A: And maybe next year on the one year anniversary of this episode, maybe we'll watch the 2015 one because.
[00:54:15] Speaker B: Oh God, that one. Oh, God.
[00:54:17] Speaker A: Because it will be so bad. It's so much worse. And I don't know. And they also like, there's people online saying that they're kind of crapping on Marvel and DC for like going backwards in a sense that they showed a picture of this new Superman, his costume compared to like man of Steel. And they showed like the 2015 Fantastic Four and their costumes versus the new Fantastic Four first steps and how they've gone to the simplistic, more like bubbly, cartoony looking costumes.
[00:54:45] Speaker B: Right.
[00:54:46] Speaker A: And I said, yeah, but in the same sense, I don't.
They're not a crime fighting like the, The Fantastic Four are not Batman. It's a family. They're a family in a sense. So like, it's like this. It's. It's their first family in Marvel.
[00:54:59] Speaker B: So it's scientists in this movie. Their costumes are solely to make their lives every day easier because of the powers they have.
So like, I get that. Yeah. They're not. This isn't Batman or Daredevil. They're not wearing costumes to intimidate people or have weapons or. Yeah, any of that stuff. Yeah.
[00:55:19] Speaker A: And the new, the 2015 one is dark as hell. Like this. If you look at the posters, difference between.
[00:55:27] Speaker B: Like I said, I've never seen the movie but yeah, they were dark. And that's not the Fantastic Four. No, Fantastic Four are light. They're.
[00:55:35] Speaker A: And that's why they're doing this movie. This is a period piece. The Fantastic Four First Steps is literally based in the 60s or 70s or whatever. It's. It's based in that time period, the.
[00:55:44] Speaker B: Time frame it started in, because it.
[00:55:46] Speaker A: Makes sense to them. It makes sense to this whole thing, and so on and so forth. But yeah, so two, two and a half right in there. I think it's a great rating for it. I think it's not a good movie, but in the same tense. What it set out to do is entertain. And it did that at least. I. You know, again, if they would take the word Fantastic Four off it, I would not be going to see the sequel.
But because it said Fantastic Four, I did see the sequel. Same thing. It was a whole thing like this.
[00:56:08] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:56:09] Speaker A: Obviously you have a connection because you're a big Galactus fan, so you obviously. Silver Surfer, Galactic, just to go hand in hand in that sense. And so does the Fantastic Four.
[00:56:15] Speaker B: I love the Surfer.
[00:56:16] Speaker A: And so I'm hoping that we see that in this. In this next thing, this next iteration of the Fantastic Four. Seeing this group in the dynamics and seeing what happens and seeing.
[00:56:26] Speaker B: I'm really excited to watch it. We should try to, like, see if we can make a big gathering and go see the movie.
[00:56:32] Speaker A: It's gonna be cool. I think. I'm excited for it. And so on and so forth. As we finish up here, did you see that there's a possibility after Secret wars that the Marvel Universe will be, quote unquote, rebooted in that they're going to use that as a launching point.
[00:56:46] Speaker B: Reading about that. Yeah. They may potentially recast Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, so, yeah, I was just reading about that.
[00:56:53] Speaker A: I said it makes sense to me. I think now you're what, 20 something years into this? Into this. Almost 20 years, right?
It's 2008. Yeah, 2008. Iron Man. It's almost 20 years. It will be 20 years. Ish.
[00:57:04] Speaker B: Right.
[00:57:04] Speaker A: When this becomes out that you have a whole new generation of people who are fans of this, you need to start. So, like, the idea is that I guess the X Men will start whatever universe.
All the stuff falls out, falls in the place of Secret Wars.
The X Men's universe will be the universe that they launch off of this from. So then whoever the X Men are, and then from that point on, a new Iron Man, a new whatever.
[00:57:27] Speaker B: And so, like I mean, it's gonna be hard for. For us that were in our 20s during the start of all this and, like, sucked into this whole thing. And just like, I feel like the. The MCU has, like, been a huge part of my adult life, really.
We're gonna have a hard time being like, that's not Chris Evans. That's not rock.
[00:57:43] Speaker A: So what I will say is, I.
[00:57:45] Speaker B: Think they'll change the next generation to see that stuff.
[00:57:47] Speaker A: Like, you'll see an Iron man, you'll see a Thor, you'll see an Ant man, you'll see a, you know, Hulk. You see all this stuff. But I do think that there's. Now with a new one, they'll maybe throw in a different character here and there. Maybe Ironheart comes earlier. Maybe Ms. Marvel comes earlier. Maybe Captain Marvel comes earlier. And so you maybe see these things in the order of when they're, you know, introduced, who they are, how big of a character they are. And that's. Maybe the Avengers is completely different, but the other characters still exist. So, like, say, you know, Thor still exists, but he's not part of the Avengers. But Captain Marvel is in the beginning, like this. I could see that happening. I do think that it could be fun. However, what I'll say to everyone, I always said, is that when a movie gets adapted from the comics. So we just watched. We just talked about Fantastic Four from 2005. Nothing takes away the 1961 release of the comic book that still exists. You can still go read it. You can still enjoy it. So whatever happens in the MCU moving forward after Secret wars, we still could go on to the Disney plus or ball our DVD out, pop in Iron man, and rewatch it. And they never can.
[00:58:46] Speaker B: I try. I tried to step back in this one a little bit and just accept Dr. Doom as the, like, ultimate Dr. Doom. It's a different origin. It's a different background. And I just tried to live with him this time, and I feel like I enjoyed it a little bit more because of that versus my original scrutiny of that's not Doom.
[00:59:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, so I think that. I think we're gonna hopefully see a difference in this. And maybe they will do ultimate MCU and regular mcu. Maybe this next one will be ultimate, and maybe they'll call it that the ultimate MCU universe because it's different side of things.
[00:59:13] Speaker B: I was like, we've seen Peter Parker a lot. We could have Miles Morales, Spider man. Just be the Spider man of the universe.
[00:59:19] Speaker A: And then the Peter Parker is the one that's in another universe that you touch on every once in a while that goes in there as a character here and there that, you know, maybe we see ghost spider or spider Gwen more in this universe. Maybe some of the spider verse people over there. So I think there's a future and I think that that's a great. And I think that I kind of like that idea because I think at some point they're going to lose people. I think that they're just going to. And here's the deal. I mean, going to an alternate universe doesn't stop them from saying, oh, this didn't work, and going back. Like, it's not.
[00:59:45] Speaker B: I'm a huge Marvel Universe fan and there's tons of stuff that's been coming out I haven't watched because I'm just sort of like, whatever.
[00:59:51] Speaker A: And that's. They also said to piggyback on that Feige said he wants. They want to get back to get to the idea that this relaunch would be one TV show, maybe two TV shows a year and then one movie a year. Go back to that.
[01:00:05] Speaker B: There's been so much.
[01:00:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:00:06] Speaker B: As of late that it's like, great. It's awesome to have it all out there. I personally don't have enough time, nor do I know if I have enough interest. I've sort of been lost a little.
[01:00:15] Speaker A: Bit to it and for me, as.
[01:00:16] Speaker B: A person, really killed me.
[01:00:19] Speaker A: Well, I mean, you want to go watch Superman. This we're recording this on Monday for Fantastic Four. The movie comes out on Friday.
[01:00:26] Speaker B: Right.
[01:00:27] Speaker A: And so like you're talking last two weeks ago, Superman came out, then this came out. And then as someone like myself who's a Star wars fan, there's Star wars things coming out and then there's other comic book adaptations and there's regular things. There's so much coming out that I understand that if you did a MCU movie a year in May and then like in August or September, you put out a TV show that still works all together, and then next May you put out another Marvel movie and so.
[01:00:51] Speaker B: On and so forth. I feel like that'd be a nice, like, release schedule.
[01:00:55] Speaker A: And if you wanted to in the future, if you have 10 pole movies, you have an individual movie that comes out May and then like Christmas time, you have the tentpole movie. So you have your Avengers movie or something like that. So you have to come out here. But like, I like the idea of it slowing down a little bit and you have a cast or a bullpen of high skilled directors and Writers that want to do these things and if you have less movies to make, you can use them where they're supposed to use and you focus on the writing.
[01:01:18] Speaker B: Much deadline, so much time being crunched, all this stuff so you can have a better product at the end. Yes.
[01:01:23] Speaker A: So I think that's a good thing. So we'll. We'll see how it goes. And I think that this, this, this Fantastic Four will probably be, I mean, easily the best Fantastic Four movie. Because they've got to learn from their lives.
[01:01:34] Speaker B: I don't know what else to do. If this new one isn't the best Fantastic Four movie we've had, they've got. I don't know what to do. Just stop.
[01:01:41] Speaker A: They've got to have learned.
[01:01:43] Speaker B: Don't do it.
[01:01:43] Speaker A: I mean, was this. We haven't seen it yet. But as what I've heard, the Superman's the best Superman movie.
[01:01:48] Speaker B: Everyone's loving this.
[01:01:49] Speaker A: So, like, who knows? Maybe people are starting to learn from their lessons. And I did say in your shop, DC did the smartest thing they've done for their movies in years.
Forget if you like James Gunn or not. Get someone who has been successful in your competitors field and bring them over to your side and have them do exactly the same thing, but on our side. And guess what? It worked, Paul. It worked.
[01:02:12] Speaker B: I don't know if Dean Cain's not Superman.
[01:02:15] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
Dean Kane. Superman.
[01:02:18] Speaker B: Jesus.
[01:02:19] Speaker A: Well, that means you can't have another Ghost Rider because I want Nicholas Cage's Ghost Rider. Come on. Oh, well, we gotta watch that. We're gonna watch Ghost Rider.
[01:02:26] Speaker B: Okay, I started that because you talked about it. I started that. You talk about bad movies. That movie sucks.
[01:02:32] Speaker A: Yeah, it's great. It sucks because the. The Ghost Rider Flames, Flaming skull. When Ghost Riddler goes to steal the Declaration of Independence. Paul, I would rather watch that movie.
We have a soft spot in this family treasure.
But yeah, so, I mean, again, I want. I still want Nicolas Cage's Superman with spiders and stuff.
[01:02:51] Speaker B: I want to have the guys attack Alcatraz and all of a sudden he bursts into flames.
[01:02:55] Speaker A: Yeah, there you go.
His motorcycle. So fast. It's across the bay in San Francisco.
[01:03:00] Speaker B: It would be an interesting. It'd be more interesting than the freaking movie we got of that.
[01:03:05] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. That's nothing. There's no reason why the. The future iterations of Johnny Bl. The Ghost Rider can be different people. They've done different people. Why do we have to introduce the. We don't have to even touch that that existed. Let's start with a new one and. And then, you know, why not? But we'll see. But Fantastic Four 2005, 2.25. Because it's between the two of us, I think, right in the middle. I think it's great.
It's entertaining. Worth the watch, in my opinion. It's not amazing, honestly. If you have a chance, watch the 1994 one, too, because that is like.
[01:03:37] Speaker B: You know, a fun watch for the 1994 one. Boy, did they. They tried. The, the, the actors tried. Let's go with that. The writers did not try. A lot of the stuff there was totally phoned in so they could just get a movie made and get it out of the way. But I feel like the actors believed in the 1994 movie 100.
[01:03:56] Speaker A: So, like, this movie was made for 100 times more money, Paul, and it was not 100 times better. So there's that. Money doesn't always buy happiness, Paul. Yeah, sometimes they were like, we want to make this movie. And then sometimes you're just like, I'm paid to be here. And that's kind of what we got.
[01:04:13] Speaker B: Clerks was made for a hell of a lot less money, is a much better movie.
[01:04:16] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. But Galactic comics and Collectibles, 547 Hayman street in Bangor, Maine. Yeah, welcome back, Paul.
[01:04:23] Speaker B: I'm gonna say this right now, where we're gonna announce this, and God, I hope I don't watch this two years later and be like, oh, that didn't happen.
New Galactic comics and collectibles.com coming very soon.
[01:04:32] Speaker A: We'll see.
Thanks, Paul.
[01:04:36] Speaker B: Just like the sequel for Fantastic Four. It's got to be better.
[01:04:39] Speaker A: It's gotta be better. We will talk soon. I will be in the shop sometime this week to pick up my comics. But, yeah, again, once another one that wasn't hurtful to watch. Like, it wasn't painful. We'll get there, though. We'll watch painful ones. Don't worry. We're coming up here with somebody. Yeah, it.
Thanks, Paul.
