Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesandtights.com I'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. This episode is once again brought to you by our friends at Galactic Comics and collectibles. At GalacticComics and Collectibles.com we welcome actress and writer. I forget the actress part. She's an actress, but she's our comic book writer. To the podcast Hannah Rosemay to discuss the guy in the Chair Exorcism at 1600 Pen Rose Gallery.
Smile for the camera. Coming out in 2026 in the next installment in the Exorcism at series Exorcism at Buckingham Palace. And so.
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[00:01:01] Speaker A: Welcome to the podcast, Hannah. How are.
[00:01:04] Speaker B: Thank you for having me. I know that we've been trying to do this for a second.
[00:01:08] Speaker A: Yeah, so I get your. I got your other half there with Utkarsh. Came on and talked about the guy in the chair a little not too long ago. He's also a big sports fan. We talked a little quickly before about how I'm a sports fan, but he's also. So at the end of that, we tried to sign off. I'm like, okay, see you later. I gotta go. And he's like, so do you collect sports cards? I was just like, man, I would love. I would chat with you for hours, but I've gotta go pick my kid up, so I gotta leave. But, yeah, so we had a question. It was amazing. And actually watching the current season of Ghost has been amazing too. We'll get into that. A little bit about how you were actually on Ghosts with. With your writing partner there. But so, yeah, I mean, we've both been busy. You're a busy person right now. You have multiple facets in your. In your name. You have multiple slashes now with your name with actor and writer and all this stuff. So. So have you been. What have you been doing to keep yourself busy right now? Like, what are you. Are you writing? Are you acting? What's going on right now in the life of Hannah?
[00:02:06] Speaker B: Keep myself busy as in work wise or for fun?
[00:02:09] Speaker A: Both. Either way. Yeah.
[00:02:13] Speaker B: Work wise. We obviously have the guy in the chair currently being released Our third issue comes out this month. Not sure when this is being released, but I assume probably right before the release of the third issue.
So, yes, we have that. It's a four issue series.
I have the sequel to the exorcism at 1600 Pen, which is the exorcism at Buckingham palace that will be coming out this March.
And right before that I have Smile for the Camera, which is the first comic of Smile the Movies.
[00:02:47] Speaker A: Yes, it's a Smile verse. It's like, oh, it's so funny. It's like, I think I've seen posts of like the Exorcism at Universe now and the Smile. There's all these universes to these things. No, but it's really cool to see that. Like, it's, you know. A big fan of Rogues Gallery. I was a big fan of 1600 pen. And so, like, those are, well, not 1600, 1600 pens. The Exorcist is 1600 pen.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: We'll separate the code name.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: But so I'm a big fan of those. And so. And then obviously, when I. When I saw you and Ugkarsh working together on the guy in the chair, I was like, this is a must read for sure. And then the announcement came out and you're doing a sequel to exorcism at 1600 pen. And you're doing this, the Smile for the Camera, which is funny because Ugkarsh was like, I can't tell you what she's working on right now, but it's cool. And so I was like, oh. And then the announcement came out. I'm like, this is awesome. I can't wait for more of that. But you.
[00:03:37] Speaker B: It's a hard one to keep quiet, I would say.
[00:03:39] Speaker A: Yeah, I bet. Yeah, it's one of those things. But. So you're an actress, you're a writer. Do you influence each skill?
Does one influence the other? Or vice versa? Or is it pretty much separate on that side?
[00:03:52] Speaker B: It's funny, I keep checking. I just got my fringe cut and I feel like I've got little hairs of it somewhere on my face.
[00:03:58] Speaker A: So you want me to call you out and see, Tell you, little random.
[00:04:01] Speaker B: They're like tickling my nose. Anyone who has a fringe or bangs, as the Americans say.
[00:04:08] Speaker B: Will know how annoying it is to get it cut. And then just the little trinkle. I'd actually imagine it's like a man. When you. When you shave your beard.
[00:04:14] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah.
[00:04:15] Speaker B: It probably feels very irritating.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: Same thing. Yeah, Just down here.
[00:04:19] Speaker B: Like a little cat. That's why?
[00:04:22] Speaker B: What was your question? Oh, how do they translate over?
[00:04:25] Speaker A: Do they influence each other? Do they. Do they. Do you try to keep them separate, or is there something that they just. I mean, it's probably hard to not keep. Hard. Probably hard to keep them separate. There's probably some sort of bleed between the two of them.
[00:04:34] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. I mean, the biggest compliment that I've got with my writing is that my people seem to. The consensus seems to be that the dialogue feels very real and. Which is like I couldn't. They couldn't tell me anything better.
And I think that comes from me being an actress.
I do read my writing out loud. I am that person who walks around my office, and if there's, like, dual conversations, I will say it.
And that's the joy of being an improv actor. It's just making sure that stuff feels that it lived in.
So I am that crazy person in my office with my headphones on, saying stuff out loud if there's multiple conversations happening to make sure that it feels organic. So I guess in that sense, yes, I have taken the acting over into the writing.
And, yeah, comic books are one of those things that you don't really understand how many hats you wear as a comic writer until you're in the space. You are the director, the stylist. You know, you're everything in between.
And I think from being on set, from all. From watching all the people who wear all those many hats, I've been able to take those little pieces and bring them over. Comic books. So, yeah, if anything, I think acting. Oh, did I lose you?
[00:05:54] Speaker A: No.
[00:05:54] Speaker B: Calling me. Stop calling me. Thank God.
Why does it do that? And the second call comes in and the zoom screen goes the opposite direction.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: Technology baffles me sometimes. I used to fix computers for a living, and they still baffle me to this day on that. Yeah, but I mean, you have. I mean, you're. You're an actress. But I would think that more people nowadays. I said more people because it depends on the crowd and the size. But to me, you're a comic writer first now, like, which is great. Your acting's great, and I love it, you know, all that stuff. But, like, I feel like to me, it's like comic writer who also acts, in a sense.
[00:06:30] Speaker B: I leave with that now.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah, because I think that it's like you've had some success in comics, too. I mean, if you. And also, I think it's a difference. I think there's some from fringe people who might not understand this, but like yourself, I put Patton Oswald in that category where it's like, you're die hard comic fans. So this is not one of those things where you're like, you know, I act. I'm an actress and I have the ability to maybe get my name to a publisher and be like, oh, you want to publish my comic book because you've seen my name in film credits or TV credits. This is more like, no, I really want to write comics. Am I correct about that? Like, this is something you really are passionate about.
[00:07:02] Speaker B: Yeah. I had been in the comic book space for years before my, my first book released. I was attending obviously cons. I was similar to what you're doing. I was hosting panels and interviewing comic creators. It's. It's been the biggest love of my life, honestly.
Comics are. And I took. When the pandemic hit and the acting industry essentially halted, I didn't know what I was going to do with myself. So I started writing Rogues Gallery. I had no idea that Rogues was going to be essentially like an overnight success. Like, that was insane to me. It was one of those things where I was like, this could probably be the only book I ever write. And that's okay. People may dislike it and I'll have like hit a bucket list moment for myself.
I had no idea that the day that released I would have two other offers for different books in my inbox. And it just kind of. It never stopped, basically since the release of Rogues. It's one of those things that if I'm not writing, I'm like a day behind what I should be doing now, which I'm very, very grateful. I tell everyone I'm going to be like the meme from Rose on the Titanic when she's old and she's like, it's been 80 years or whatever. Like, that's what I want to be when I'm old and gray, sitting at home still writing comic books. So, yeah, I do read comic now just because it's what I spend the majority of my time doing essentially now, like a full time comic book writer. But if anyone wants to hire me on the acting front, go ahead.
[00:08:31] Speaker A: Right, yeah, well, speaking of that, what's funny about this? So I got preparing for this recording. You read some of your stuff again, like that I've already read or you look some things up online, so on and so forth. But to me personally, I rewatched season two, episode five of Ghosts because Ghosts is one of my favorite shows. It's one of those shows that like crosses over between My wife and I, like, We like just the style of the comedy and things like that and watched it. And what I love the most about it, if he hasn't seen it, the best part, is that it's. Technically, you could come back, right? I mean, this is like. Like, according to storyline that that could happen because you're not. Like, you're not dead. You're not, you know, like, all that stuff. Like, there's. There's a clean storyline to the point where, like, you could just reappear someday. The question I had about on the actor's side of this is, though, is, was it difficult to act with a curse knowing that he can't see you technically? Like, you know, in the show, like, he's not supposed to be able to see you because you're a ghost.
[00:09:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
I think the only thing that was difficult in that sense was because Ukrash and I had obviously hit it off at con.
[00:09:32] Speaker B: So it's like you want to essentially, like, shoot the shit, you know, friends. But everyone on that set has it down that I just got to blend in with everyone else and followed everyone else's eyelines. You know, they're all. They've. They've done it for so long.
How.
How Ugart doesn't look at us is a whole other thing. Like, he truly has to zone out because it's like, your natural instinct when you hear something to, like, glance in that direction.
It's really impressive that he doesn't, honestly. But no, the second. Obviously, that they can't cut. Everyone's, like, chatting, and then the second that the cameras are rolling again, you're like, pretend he's not. But we can technically look in his direction.
[00:10:18] Speaker A: He just can't look in your direction.
[00:10:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, but you don't want to do it too much because you don't want him to be looking at it, you know?
But, yeah, no, I would love to come back on that show. I would love, obviously, an episode with Hetty and our equal arch enemy to be together. I think, like, to have the three of us in a room together would be really fun.
[00:10:40] Speaker A: I also love that episode because it's like, Hetty's husband or ex. I don't have to consider ex husband because she's dead. They're both dead. Whatever it is, it's just still dead in the vault. Like, he's just still on the floor. Like, they just, like, we're trying to dispose of our skeletons, like, slowly so it's not obvious to people or something like that. I thought that was pretty funny. But no, I. I think. And I think it'd be great now that you two have written a comic book together. It'd be funny to somehow weave in comics to it like that, that, you know, Karsh goes to a comic store or something like that and comes back or something. It'd be funny as hell if they were able to bring that into it, if you did eventually come, because there has been characters who have come back and things like that. But I do feel like. And you must feel this way when you were on set.
They do seem like they're. They have fun together. Like the set itself is fun. It seems like all the ghosts, including in Non Ghosts or whatever, but the regular actors and actresses have fun and you can just almost bleeds from the screen that way that they just have fun on set.
[00:11:33] Speaker B: You can tell it's like a real family.
It was very intimidating joining that cast because immediately, even when I met them all, you could tell that they were so intertwined. But also it was like so warm to be able to walk into that environment because it was the most welcoming environment ever.
[00:11:53] Speaker B: I tell Lukers all the time, I'm like, you are so, so lucky and so fortunate because it's one of those kind of jobs, especially in this town. There's not a lot of shows that go on for that long. Nevermind 22 episodes.
[00:12:05] Speaker B: It's a real gem. And I compare it to the likes of Friends, honestly.
Obviously Friends went on for 12 seasons or something, I think 11 or 12 seasons.
But they are all. They're all a family and you can feel it on the set. And you know, now that they've been at it for so long, like Rose has directed. Ugarsh is now directing for this new season. So they're all stepping into other lanes and they're able to do that because they all love each other and support each other's work so much. So, yeah, it's a real, real gem of a show. And I'm very excited because the creators of that have another show out now that they just announced called Eternally Yours. I think that's the name. Don't hold me to that. But if you Google it, there's a definitely Eternally in it. Eternally in the. Is in the title somewhere.
Which is one of those ideas that when I read, I was like, God, that's a good idea.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: I love that. Like when you, like when you have that. That creative person that you see and you're like, how the hell did you do that? Like, how did you Come up with this concept.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: I wish I had done it, but.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: Like, ah, it's insane. What was it recently that I saw that happened to.
To me, it's always been the comic book artist Mike Del Mundo.
His artwork is just phenomenal. It's beautiful, beautifully illustrated, but also there's like a level behind it that's just like the detail of what is actually in the picture. That makes a lot of sense too. Like, you know, Captain America jumping out of a plane and it'd be a skull in the clouds that he's going through. Or my favorite is actually on the wall over there. I have a print of it. It's signed by him. It's. It's Darth Vader's mask and the slits in his breathing apparatus. And Anakin Skywalker is putting his head through like he's in prison.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: Well, I went on to see that.
[00:13:51] Speaker A: Now after this, and it's like, oh, my gosh. Like, to me, I'm like, it's so beautifully illustrated. But in the same sense, how the hell did your mind think of that? Like, to me, it's like it could be crudely illustrated, done, like, that's phenomenal. But to have the talent to illustrate something that's that mind blowing in my mind is awesome too. So, yeah, seeing this next is also.
[00:14:13] Speaker B: Very good at that. Yeah, I've got somewhere behind me.
[00:14:18] Speaker A: See, there you go. Yeah, See, it's just. It is just like, it's the talent. Sometimes I'm always like, screw you. It's like, I would say screw you to you because you're such a good actress, but also you're a good writer and like, you have multiple talents. And I hate no all that stuff. But no, it's funny how that works. And so. So you got this relationship now with Akirch, but you know, on the set and if you go back and if anybody wants to go back and listen to. On the podcast, he discusses a little bit about how when he first met you and you said you were going to be on set with him and he was like, what are you talking about? For a second there, whatever. And then he had this.
He felt the obligation and need to defend his comic book knowledge to you, that he had to be like, oh, I know this and I know that. Because he was afraid that you were just going to be like, oh, it's just this actor who. Whatever. And the fact that he's like, I had to feel like I had to pull out, like, oh, I have a number one or a first appearance and all this Stuff just to. To prove himself to you. Did you feel that, that he had to do that to you?
[00:15:10] Speaker B: Not at all.
I always. I always joke. He showed up to set on Wednesday on New Comic Book Day, and he'd been to the store that morning and brought in all the weeklies for me, which was very, very sweet. But, yes, he definitely was on a mission to be like, I'm really a fan, I swear. And I'm like, I'm a woman in the comic space. You don't have to prove anything to me.
All we do is constantly have to prove that we're real fans. Please, I. I believe you.
[00:15:39] Speaker B: And then when I met his parents, his parents were like, we have a basement full of back issues.
I think they've been pleading with him to come and empty them out for many, many years. But, no, I never. And here's the thing with comics in general, I will always believe someone if they're a fan. And even if they've only picked up a book and they want to now wear the hat as a fan. And in my mind, if you've read a book and you enjoyed it, you're a fan. You don't have to go back to the moment you fell out of the womb. I think that is inherently the problem with the fandom is that it's. We have to. There's this kind of like, gate. There's, you know, we say that's very gate kept in the sense where it's like, if you don't know this issue from this date, from this run, you know, no, because then we're not welcoming our arms to new readers. And I do think, you know, the likes of.
Is particularly like the likes of me crossing over from another industry.
The benefit of that is that you do bring a bit of an audience from the previous industry who want to support you. So I. When I get DMs, and they're like, my first ever comic book was Rogues Gallery. That's the. It's the best thing you can ever tell me. And then they've gone and supported me through 1600 and they found love for the space.
That's all we could ever want, really, is because we need our industry to have new readers, because if we don't, then we'll die. So we need new readers and new audiences coming. So, yeah, it was very funny that Ukrash is trying to prove himself. And in my mind I'm like, I'm so insecure as an actress on this set. The imposter syndrome is like, boiling over.
[00:17:11] Speaker B: And it's true.
[00:17:12] Speaker A: I run panels at our local convention because I do this. I have the ability to speak to people, and I have this. This flow that I obviously can help with. And the guy who runs it is a tattoo artist, and his other buddy is the one that run. Runs the rest of it. He's like, I don't. I'm not very good at this. Can you help me with it? I'm like, I'm not very good at it either, but I will. I'll give it a shot. But there's always, like, this niche, small thing that I know, the actor or actress that's in the panel that I want to talk to about that, that half the people or 90% of people could give two shits about. I just met Erik Estrada from. From Famous. From Chips. He was in a Tony Hawk skateboarding video from, like, the 1990s as a police officer. And I'm like, I wanted to talk to you for, like, an hour about that, but I. All these people out here have no idea what I'm talking about right now, so. But it also felt like there was a mixture of me wanting to talk about that for a fandom, but also wanting to prove myself that I knew him more than just the. Whatever we all stole them for. Like, I felt like I had to insert myself as, like, I am knowledgeable. And then I did an anime panel where I'm like, I have no idea because I don't watch anime, so I don't. That's not a digger anime. I just don't. Yeah. So, like, I don't know. And everybody's like, boo. And I'm like, I don't want to tell you. I can't.
[00:18:19] Speaker B: There's so many fandoms now that you just can't have your fingers in all of them. You know, it's impossible. I got asked about a video game recently, and I was like, I've never heard of that game. Like, transparently, I've never heard of that game.
Like, that's. But the fandom for it is ginormous. It was just. It was a space that I'm not in.
But, yeah, it's. It's. It was very. It was very funny.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: I could see it. I could understand why he's doing that, too. You know, it's. It's. It's hard. Especially he wrote for Marvel voices, and so there is. He does have a background in writing in that sense, too. But, like, you almost have to feel like you have to prove yourself to you because he has to. Feels like you have to prove yourself to everybody else. Like you said, the fandom part of it, I feel like.
But we have now Keanu Reeves is writing comics and Patton Oswald's writing comics and Jay Baruch. There's all kinds of actors and actresses now who are. I say more actors because there isn't that many actresses, you know, this, who are writing comics. But, like, there are. And it's those people who come from fandom. And I feel like they almost, like you said, there's a gatekeeping to it where they have to, like, prove that that was a passion that they now want to do. Not using it as a. I see it as an avenue to potentially create a film. Or I have a. You know, because it's popular right now because of variant covers or whatever it may be. And so they get into it. And so it's like most of the people who have successful comics that have been crossed over like, that are. Because they're passionate about it. Like, they're not just writing a story to write a story. And so. Because it's like a fad or whatever it may be. But. And so most of those people I just mentioned are phenomenal comic book writers who also act. It's like. It's just people can cross over. No one ever questions. I'll tell you that. No one. Very rarely does someone question someone who writes prose novels and then crosses over to comics or the opposite. But when you go from like, something like acting to going into writing comic books, it's like a, wait a second, prove your worth kind of thing.
[00:20:14] Speaker B: Yeah, well, look, I think they're.
We'd be lying if we didn't. If there wasn't IP Grab attempts in the industry. You can see them.
[00:20:23] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:20:23] Speaker B: You know, and like, I'll even say that as an entertainment person who crossed over, that the difference for me was obviously I was a fan and people saw that and all the success that came from it was happy sense was. Wasn't planned.
But, yeah, of course, now ip, as the industry says, IP is king, you know, But I think the community can tell when something is, quote unquote, an IP Grab.
You can. You can tell because it doesn't necessarily come from a place of love or come from, like, a team who have been in the space. They've kind of popped out of nowhere.
And look, there's power to them. But I think that's where the insecurity has stemmed from a little bit in the industry is that we'd be lying to ourselves if we said there wasn't bits and pieces of it, we can see it.
But I think if anything now our. Our concern has more so shifted to that becoming more like AI Art and all of the other problems that we now have in the community.
[00:21:32] Speaker A: So I feel like there's less question. I've interviewed people on this podcast and there's nothing, this is nothing against them, but like, who have tried to make movies with a script or a screenplay of some sort and then decided that then write it as a comic because it wasn't taking off in movies. And then they said, oh, if we make it a comic book, then maybe we'll start to see more eyes. And it's proven concept. But to me, and there's not as much pushback on that side of things as it is as Hannah Rosemary coming in to write a comic book, which is interesting because it's like those are the people that are writing like they're physically admitted, which is fine. Taking a script, a screenplay and writing it into it, I mean, or writing it into a novel or whatever, so on and so forth. But I also believe in. Because I've interviewed people. Daniel Krauss is one of my favorite writers. He's also a phenomenal comic book writer who has said sometimes there's stories that are made for prose novels and sometimes they're made for TV and sometimes they're made for comics. It depends on the story. And I think that reading your work, all of them could be both. Like, could be a TV show, which would be great for you and great for a lot of the fans of your stuff.
[00:22:33] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:22:34] Speaker A: Yeah. But it also breathes comics. Like, it's like guy in the chair to me is written by two people with screen, screen time, but also reads as a comic. And so to me, it's like it feels genuine if no one knew who you two were. And I'm saying you two because you're the writers. There's obviously a creative team behind it. But like, it breeds comic and that bleeds comic and I understand that and I think I read it that way.
[00:22:57] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I appreciate that and I'm sure really appreciates it too. It's obviously work. It's coming from two avid, very much comic book lovers. And for me, you know, I've been full time writing comics now since the release of Rogues Gallery.
[00:23:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:10] Speaker B: So I essentially have written. I couldn't even count the amount of singles now that are under my belt.
And it's funny because as you said, like actress, crossover to comics, it's. It's actually interesting for me because I actually think the majority of my acting success actually happened simultaneously to me, my comic.
The first year of, like, Rogues Gallery coming out and I started booking a lot of work. You know, I start. Obviously I was on Ghosts and like, Curb youb Enthusiasm came later. And like, those big career hits happened after the fact, actually, when I had kind of taken off the actor's hat and I was like, you know, acting is so unfair.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: I don't have my heart broken anymore. Yeah, comics, I get to, like, actually see the results of my day. If I spend a day writing a page, I will see the results of it versus with acting. I'm working my arse off and then putting my hands in someone else's and like, my life in someone else's hands and being like, please book me. And nothing is a guarantee. And you can't take anything personally because it's a. It's a coin toss, essentially. And, you know, I've been fortunate now where I am on the other side and, you know, casting conversations and whatnot. And I realize that it's. It really is like, there's so many variables at play that you just can't.
You just can't bet on it and you can't get upset over it and everything else in between. But I just kind of got to the point where I didn't want to have to rely on someone else for my, you know, livelihood, for my life, for my sanity. Everything in between.
[00:24:44] Speaker A: Well, if you. If you. And I guess it's the same thing with any of these people who have taken a script or screenplay and made it a comic or decided to write comics as a living. Is that it would be, I say, easier. It's not easy, but it's easier to get whatever story you have in your head published somehow, whether it's a webcomic or kickstarted or whatever it may be or with a traditional publisher than it is to try to get a role acting on a tv. You know, like, it's like there's just so much finite space in the screen world compared to the comic book world, where you have more of an outlet to it. Like, I say the same thing with music. Like, you can get your music out there easily.
I say two, you don't see it a wide audience as easy, but you can get it out there. You can put it on YouTube, you can put it on Spotify. Fairly easy. My dad used to be a musician and always says, like, he hates, but like, he like, has this. This disdain towards the current day because I'm like, We had to, like, take time off of work and go into a studio and record this and get. Put it on cassette tape and try to hawk these cassette tapes on the side of the road. And nowadays you can, like, sit in your room and record an album and then put it on Spotify in, like a week. And I was like, yeah, this technology does that. So comics are easy to put out in front of people compared to getting a TV show made, if that makes sense. A lot less budget on that.
[00:25:56] Speaker B: I'll actually politely disagree with that a little bit.
[00:25:59] Speaker A: Really?
[00:25:59] Speaker B: Yes.
What I will say is even from the release of Rogues to now, which has been almost three years.
[00:26:09] Speaker B: Three years. It's that.
[00:26:12] Speaker B: Every publisher has really, you know, chopped probably their releases in half.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:18] Speaker B: And so to have a book released is a massive, massive success and a massive win. And I've got plenty of pros and friends and peers in the space who have had books going and then they don't make it. They end up on the chopping block for, like, financial reasons or tons of other reasons in between there. No. No publisher is publishing as many as they used to. The Marvel have cut back. Like, everyone has cut back. So, you know, even. Idw, I think now they're only doing max, four originals a year. So one every quarter, essentially.
So. And that wasn't the case when they first started out. They were pumping more originals, you know. Idw. Dark. I'm pretty sure it's only like three, maybe four.
[00:27:03] Speaker A: I think it's four. Yeah, but it's right around there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:27:06] Speaker B: So to be one of those is. Is a big win. So I tell everyone, it's like, I've got a friend, and they just wrote a backstory and a big Marvel. Big Marvel story. And they did the back issue, and it's only, you know, five pages, and it's kind of like a creator thing. You're like, oh, it's only five pages. And I'm like, yeah, but think of all the people who wanted that game five pages. Yes. And how.
How few books are getting printed now. So that is. It's a massive success. So, you know, I definitely to your other topic of, like, people coming over with basically unwanted scripts that didn't make an entertainment. I will say again, this conversation is very transparent. I have tons of writer friends who have been messaging me and I'll get calls, and they're like, I have this script for this thing. Do you think you could take it? And I have to politely say, no. Like, yeah, I know that I'm upsetting and offending people by doing it. But one, I just also don't have the bandwidth. Like I'm on my own creative journey.
But two, I just know that like from my editors and my publisher friends, like, they don't want scripts that didn't make it elsewhere. Why would, why would they want that? You know, because they. Because comics are obviously, it's so expensive to print and to make. Of course they want to have a hope at something, having a shot at another life.
It's never that. It's never the target. That's never what we aspire for. You have to make a very good comic first and that should always be your number one focus. But if there is obviously hope of a life elsewhere, publishers are going to be more inclined to say yes because they need to make money and keep the, keep the, you know, the machine running.
So yeah, it's a. It's definitely. It's a tighter industry and yeah, yes.
[00:28:52] Speaker A: And I do agree with that. I agree with that more. I guess I've been more along the lines, if you had an idea, so say Rose Gallery wasn't picked, wasn't, you know, you know, image and they weren't.
[00:29:02] Speaker B: Like, okay, let's definitely do like Kickstarter or something.
[00:29:04] Speaker A: You take it to Kickstarter if you had a following. So like for your rose, you're following now that you have since the success of Rhodes Gallery. If Guy in the chair Dark Horse is like, yeah, we're going to pass and everybody else is going to pass. You could be like, hey, of course you want to see if we can do this on Kickstarter. And you probably would at least get it published. It may not be in his front as eyes as you want it to be, but I will say that like, and again, I guess far way farther back about how you became an actress kind of at the same.
Your successful actress goal roles were right around the same time as Rogues Gather was that that more people actually probably have seen like an episode of you and Kirby Enthusiasm or that ghost episode then will read the guy in the chair, which is crazy to think about because of the fact that it's like this random episode you're a guest star on would actually because of the number of eyes that TV is in front of. And that's why I think that perception, why even my mind had the perception of that's what came first is because that's the. That's the. The more eyes see that potentially and I hope, you know, millions of people read the guy in the Chair. I really hope that that case.
[00:30:02] Speaker B: That would be great.
[00:30:03] Speaker A: I'm fine. I recommended to millions of people to read.
And so, like, yeah, so I think it's like those things. It's like, I think, you know, the people see comics as a lower form sometimes. And so, like, sometimes even my mind, as someone who's in the field of comics and does this, sometimes thinks as the actor, actress who makes it into comics, did that first. And you're right, it was right around the same time where you got some of those bigger roles that a lot of. I saw that you did Rogues Gallery. And so that makes a lot of.
[00:30:30] Speaker B: Sense, though, any of the judgment that you were referring to. I don't. I. I think I escaped it because I hadn't had real success in the acting space. I essentially just released a book and everyone was like, oh, she's a comic writer. And then I started getting some really cool acting roles.
[00:30:45] Speaker A: Well, it was funny because I got interviewed Eric Heisserer, who wrote.
[00:30:51] Speaker A: He wrote Fast and the Fear. No, sorry, Final Destination 5. He wrote Now I'm thinking a couple other really popular movies.
But now I'm kicking myself for not remembering these. I shouldn't have brought it up in the first place.
[00:31:06] Speaker A: But, you know.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: He wrote comics too. And I was, after the fact that I even talked, like, got ready to talk to him, was like, I agreed to talk to him on the podcast about his novel that was coming out called Simultaneous, which was phenomenal. And I was like, getting. Doing the research, and I'm like, wait a second, this dude wrote comics too. Like, it was one of those things that, like, his screenplays were so popular, award winning. And he's now releasing a novel which will be in Barnes and Noble. And all the stuff that Comics was the one that was like, oh, he did that too. And it's probably when he talks to people, they don't even bring it up. Like, he had, like, success. He wrote Valiant comics. He wrote a whole series there and stuff. It's like he had a comic book background, but yet still people are like, oh, he's an author and a screenwriter.
Oh, he writes comics too. Like, it's one of those things. And that's why I feel like sometimes even my. I get, you know, you know, I forget that the comics is not just this low earth thing. Weirdly.
[00:32:00] Speaker B: I know we feel like it's niching away, don't we? But.
[00:32:04] Speaker B: But it's not. It's.
It's so much. I explain that to everyone all the time too, because, like, I Think my family now, you know, when I started, they're like, oh, Hannah and her little comic books. You know?
[00:32:16] Speaker A: Well, it's. It's true. It's like, I tell people, I go in a book club tonight, and they're like, oh, what novel did you read? And I go, well, the graphic novel. We read a graphic novel. And they're like, oh, that. And I'm like, I wanted to say shut up. Like, and it's funny because I actually did. I think I did a piece of a list on the website last year now that I think either I either wanted to do it or I've done it. Where movies you didn't realize were based on comics. Like, there's a bunch of movies out there that like. Yeah. That they don't even realize. Like, honestly, Men in Black was a comic book first. You know, Two Guns was a comic book with Mark Wahlberg and Denzel Washington. Those movies were actually based on comics. But it's so funny because the comics weren't uber successful that you don't see that, you know, when. When something's killing the children now.
[00:33:00] Speaker B: Right. Was that extraction, too?
[00:33:02] Speaker A: Yep. Yeah, Yep. Absolutely. And some of those are also because of the fact that they were potentially a different name or released, like in the United States. It was released in France or. Or in the UK or something like that. So people sometimes don't see it. But again, a lot of these, like, there's, you know, comics that were existed way before the. The movie, and they're all crapping over me. If you're going to a graphic novel club, I'm like, did you go see Two Guns in the theaters? Yeah. See, it was based on a comic book, so stop shitting on me. Like, it's like, technically you'd probably like the comic too. You just don't want to take the time to open it. Because I feel like they still. And maybe I'm still defending it. Maybe I'm still, you know, subconsciously nervous that people won't like because of it. Because I grew up with the idea that if I liked comics, I wasn't liked. You know, I mean, like, it was one of those things that I felt like I wasn't part of the crew.
[00:33:46] Speaker B: They are.
[00:33:47] Speaker A: And I do thank Hollywood for some of that, because obviously with the Marvel Studios and all them success, Daredevil, and.
[00:33:53] Speaker B: All the success and everything that came.
[00:33:54] Speaker A: With it, it's helped the of comics in that sense. And so I think that that's huge. But, you know, now you have people like yourself and Karsh getting together in writing a comic book together, like the guy in the chair over at Dark Horse. First of all, Dark Horse is one of my favorite publishers. So that also wins a lot of credit for you and for me in that sense. But it was phenomenal to read the first issue. And I also, I mentioned this to Akash about how.
[00:34:24] Speaker A: I feel for the guy in the chair in a sense that I've always had in my entire life until I got married, obviously. I want to say that now the person that I've always, you know, been attracted to or, or liked or whatever that I didn't even know know if they existed.
And the feeling for that part of that beginning story of that story.
[00:34:48] Speaker A: Even though it's about like special ops and killing people and things like that, I still related to it somehow. It was the weirdest way to think that if I said that to someone, I'm like, wait a second, you know, a guy on the chair? I'm like, no, no, no. I felt like that that level of wishing someone knew who you were more than just hey, how's it going? Or barely even knows your name kind of thing. So that to me has stayed with me well after reading the first issue. So that was huge to me. I don't know if that, if other people have said that to you, but.
[00:35:18] Speaker B: No, that's great. That's exactly what we wanted from it. At its core it's a romantic comedy. You know, that's what the, everyone kept saying, like how does this different from any other typical spy 5 where like the romantic comedy that's at its core, it's their relationship, it's about connecting. It's about not being seen and not feeling seen, but then actually really being seen and being seen for the parts of you that you don't think people would want to see and people enjoy. So I don't want to give away obviously too much because the issues are only, are only out. So but yeah, it's we. It's a like a modern day love story essentially like her like falling in love with the connection essentially without having seen or physically having that there.
[00:36:07] Speaker A: I also like, it's also funny because like the statement you should never fall in love or be, be with the person you work with. It's like one of those weird things. And so it's like this extreme thing where like this person's like attracted and wanting this more to know this person more that they shouldn't know because it's against the rules. But also like that seems insane. Like if a two Cooks in a kitchen start to date. That's like such a level that's so below this kind of a relationship would be like.
[00:36:34] Speaker B: Well, they say work crushes never work out, don't they?
[00:36:37] Speaker A: So.
Especially one who kills people for a living. How about that?
[00:36:41] Speaker B: Yes, you said it, not me.
So yeah, there's that added air of danger the whole time. I think I can relate it to your parents telling you like, not to go after someone and then you're going to want them more.
[00:36:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I can see that too. Yeah. It's also, there's a part of. It's like when you're with someone next to someone so long and you do like them, like you're friends with them, they start to become, you know, more attractive or their personality or their traits become more attractive. And so you get that, you know, no matter what it seems like the opposite, even if you're opposites, they will attract because of that. So talking to this person over the phone all the time becomes this relationship becomes deeper in that sense too. But yeah, it's a romantic comic. Do you think? So you have Rogues Gallery and then you have this and you have extra sims. You have horror action. You have all these various things. Do you pride yourself on being able to be in multiple genres here?
[00:37:36] Speaker B: I think where I, where my personal taste is definitely more in genre.
[00:37:43] Speaker B: I live a little more in the genre, thriller, horror space.
I think Rogues is actually a perfect example of my personal appetite. That's why it was the first one out the gate. Because being your first one, you're like, it has to be great. Because if it's not, I don't know if I'm getting another shot at this.
But I was writing.
I like, I was writing Smile, I was alongside, doing the guy in the Chair. So honestly, I just needed a break from killing people. I needed a break from thinking about how to kill people.
I was starting to get night terrors. I was like, oh my God, I need a little joy in my life.
So that's where the guy in the chair was a really nice reprieve, a really nice little break. And I also, you know, with the likes of Marvel and dc, I've been obviously fortunate enough to like write Harley Quinn. Yeah, enough to like write Star Trek. Lower decks and for those, for the big two mains. For the big two, as we say, there's obviously there's not necessarily a lot of like thriller genre, but there is more action, rom com, adventure. So you want to make sure that you're still saying staying versatile because obviously, I still forever want to be able to wear the DC jersey, and I'm hoping to be able to wear the Marvel jersey.
So you want to be able to keep your. Keep your options open. So.
Yeah, no, it's not necessarily that I, like, pride myself by any means. I definitely have a personal preference. But if it's an IP that I enjoy or a space that I enjoy, like, with the guy in the chair, my main thing always is I just really love character dynamics, and I got to play with two characters in the guy in the chair that, like, I hadn't necessarily played with before. And so, you know, Rogues Gallery is all character dynamics. Even 1600 pen, it's all character dynamics.
So for me, that's really where I live.
It's usually the relationship of the characters that I think of first before I think of the larger worlds, which is.
[00:39:44] Speaker A: Actually kind of funny now that I think about it. If you think about Rogues Gallery in this relatability or this idea that the relationship is scary in that sense because of where they are, it's also. I think I wrote my review to the idea of being a first daughter of a president. It's probably scary as hell. In the first place. Forget adding the exorcism part, the possession part of it. Like, adding all that to it just adds another whole, another level. Because, like, I would not. And then I probably say, I would never want to be the child of a president.
[00:40:13] Speaker A: Ever. It could be the best president in the entire universe in history. I still don't want to be the president.
[00:40:18] Speaker B: You will have a target on your back forever. Honestly, like, it's. That's so scary.
So scary. Was it. Was it Malia who was caught smoking a cigarette and then got absolutely dragged online for cigarette? And I'm like. And she wasn't even that young at the time. Like, I'm pretty sure she was of age to be smoking. And you're still like, hey, yes, you're. You're literally publicly shamed. You know, like, when you think about when we were that age, if we had cameras on us and that lived on the Internet till the end of time, like, what does that do for your mental health? And so that's kind of with the. With axis in the 1600 pen. It really is about the. The her.
The sibling dynamic and also their relationship to their mother and the fact that they didn't choose this.
They didn't choose this life. They didn't choose to be thrown into the limelight. And you see two very different siblings taking it Very differently. Obviously Mara is not enjoying it. Kevin is enjoying kind of his newfound fame and being popular for once. And yeah, so that, that's really the main focus of that. Everything else is kind of dressing. What they say is if you. For horror, they say if you remove the scares, you have to be left with a really good drama.
And I think the likes of Parker Finn does that incredibly well. You know, in all of his Smile movies there's a really good drama in all of them. He's also like exceptional at his scares. I think Smile 2 scares. Like that dance sequence has kept me, kept me awake. Like, like it's, it's so simple but so scary. And I think that's some of this. I think for me personally, I think that's when the things tend to be the scariest is like when like it could feel real almost.
Parker does that really well. So.
Yeah, but if you look at all of Parker's movies particularly it's the relationships.
And so.
[00:42:13] Speaker A: Yeah, so you mentioned that. So you have had, you know, we had exorcism at 1600 pen miniseries and you have Rose Gallery which is a miniseries. You have this guy in the chair miniseries. You've also obviously we mentioned Marvel dc.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: I don't think we're calling miniseries.
[00:42:31] Speaker B: Because yeah, I don't know what the term would be now because it's, because is.
[00:42:35] Speaker A: This technically it's a continuation, but not a continuation in a sense.
[00:42:39] Speaker B: Same world. It's the same world.
[00:42:40] Speaker A: So yeah, so what you have, you have your series I guess over at these other publishers you have written, you know, Harley Quinn, but not continuously. You also written Star Trek lower Decks, but like not continuously.
So my guess, my question is Exorcism Guy in the Chair, Rogues Gallery, all creator owned and all your own story from ground up. Whereas you're going into the Smile universe here. What's, what's that been like in that world building along with Parker in that sense that you have to now abide by a specific rules, guidelines from a universe that's already been created and now you're writing a series of comics that not just a single one shot or anything.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, that's what was appealing to me. I mean, you know, I was obviously having the likes of Harley Quinn. I had already got 1600 greenlit. So to jump on something. It was actually appealing to me to jump on for a short period of time because when you're committing to some thing, especially if it's a long series, you're committing to a long time and then that's got your first. So you'd probably essentially have to say no to any creator owned things because it's so time consuming. And I think especially in D.C. and Marvel, they move very fast.
So.
[00:43:53] Speaker B: The creator on space is definitely obviously where my bread and butter is. But I have an interest in obviously in working in the IP space.
This is a long round. I'm going to take that back. Basically my interest, particularly when it came to Smile, is that I just really love the Smile universe and obviously I love the genre and I aspire to have an ounce of the brains and brilliance that Parker Finn does. So to be able to touch his IP and to be able to work under him essentially was something that I was very, very excited about.
And yeah, it's, it's interesting, it's. But it's no, it's no different than working on.
I got asked this question recently and I said that it's actually no different than working on Harley Quinn or working on lower decks is that everything you make obviously becomes canon. So they have to approve it. If you're putting in any sort of origins, which just seems to be the question that everyone wants to know.
And particularly obviously in my story with Smile, I'm also treading very lightly about what I say because released, it's a prequel. So Parker had to say yes to everything. He approved the pitches, he approved the artists, he approved every outline, every script. Parker and Paramount and he has fantastic partners in Paramount. They're really fabulous over there. So nothing is on the page that wasn't approved by Parker and Paramount.
So yeah, the only.
It obviously of course like working on any ip, it has. It's small moments of frustration where you want to be able to like throw any something like sketchy at the wall, essentially. You know, I think in Harley Quinn I wanted to.
I'm not going to give it away, but I wanted to put in a pet to some degree that wasn't just the parrot that I put in. And they were like, no, well, Harley already has her two dogs, you know, so.
So I couldn't put in a pet, even though it was a dream sequence.
[00:45:53] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:45:54] Speaker B: You know, so I was like, but it's not real.
So in Smile there was a particular death that at one point I would have loved to do. And there was a nod to a potential question around the origin which I wasn't allowed to do.
But then you just pivot. That's why it's also great because you have someone and you have someone who has. Obviously Parker has a much larger plan for Smile. And, you know, someone got upset recently online when I told them. I teed them up as, like, that you do not get the origins of Smile in our comic. I do not want you coming in thinking that we are answering that because you will be disappointed.
And they were like, bummed about it. And I was like, but the second you get the origin, it's not exciting anymore. Don't be bummed, be actually relieved because here's hoping that Parker continues to put out Smile movies and we continue to get little pieces so that one day we'll find out.
[00:46:50] Speaker A: You know, I think Robert Kirkman released 100 and. 193 issues of the Walking Dead and you still don't know how the virus started and things like that. So, like, again, you'd lose some of the allure. Not saying it's never going to happen. Not for Walking Dead, I don't think we'll ever know. For Walking Dead, I think Robert Kirkman is going to take it to his death.
[00:47:08] Speaker B: I don't think Robert Kirk knows exactly at this point.
[00:47:11] Speaker A: He probably did have it in his head at this point.
But no, it's, you know, the films are there and there's more to build around it. And so one of these days when he knows, hey, you're allowed to make one more film, you know, your deal is getting up, whatever. And maybe he's like, okay, at this point, I want to, I want to create that. Or. Or one day he's like, I want to put it in comic book form and so on. So. But I also would be upset if I. If I went into reading Smile for the Camera and be not being an origin, expecting it to be Origin. So I'm actually, I'm just happy to hear that. That sense that's not there in that. But it's also. I feel like you don't have like hundred years of backstory to deal with with this. Like when you write Harley Quinn, obviously you don't have 100 years because it wasn't. She's not that old in the comic book lore. But. But like, Star Trek has a long history and even lower deaths. There's still a long history in this and there's also a long history in Harley Quinn. Whereas this is more like you getting a quick approval from Parker and the team over, you know, like, you have this, okay, cool, we'll do this.
[00:48:06] Speaker B: There's pros and cons to both, to be honest, because obviously, like Harley and Star Trek, it's so intimidating because, God, there's like, if you were to stack the canon, they would be booked on, booked on books, you know, and you'd feel like you would have to spend the rest of your life making sure that you weren't teeing up anything. There's a similar world to Star Trek that I have an opportunity to potentially pitch on. And in my pitch, I was googling names and I realized that every name that you could possibly think of has probably been mentioned at some point in this universe. And I was like, oh my God, I don't even. But I like. And I fancy myself a pretty big fan of this universe and.
And still I was like, I don't remember that name. But it's like someone said it once upon a time and one comic book way back or something, you know, so that is intimidating versus Smile. Obviously we only have the two movies so there was more room to play. But then it's also scary because there's room. There's so much room to play. I actually like the guard rails in a way because you know what to deliver on, you know what their appetite is.
[00:49:14] Speaker B: And yeah, like for lower decks with Mike McMahon, you know, I got like one round of notes for Mike and I immediately knew what he wanted from me because of that round of notes. And it's. I felt very lucky to be able to have the creator there to be able to do that. So in a way it's like, okay, I know exactly what you want. I'm going to deliver that for you. Versus with Smile, I could have really pitched anything. I did pitch three very, very different takes though.
There was someone who I love, I pay, I probably shouldn't, but I do read reviews online and stay up to date.
It's the fandom, you know, and when it was announced, a lot of people are very, very excited about it being in the modeling world more than I expected, which I'm so, so happy about because it obviously is an interesting world. The 2005 is such a peak time period for a lot of people.
[00:50:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:50:04] Speaker B: But there was one person online, there was one comment where they were like, why the modeling world we just saw from the music world, it seems like this similar. And in that way, because I knew it was similar, I actually knew that was the one that was going to get approved because it's been tried and true. So of course they would want to stay in that space because it's kind of their like identity a little bit now. You know, there was a very, very different pitch that I had pitched and like a far future type situation. And I'M not gonna say it in case it ends up coming at a different point, but, you know, and they. There was three, as I said, three very different timelines. Three day, very different worlds. And they went with the one that was actually more similar to Smile 2 for a reason.
[00:50:51] Speaker A: So, yeah, it's, it's, it's. It's cool. And I, I, obviously. So I was funny. As I remember, you know those. There's certain times you remember certain things were announced. Like I was actually in. It's. My son's doing great, but I was in the hospital with my son because he has a. He's had a chronic cough for two years and. And he has a. It's called tracheomalasia, which means his trachea is like 50 collapsed. So it's caused those issues. But at the time we didn't know. So we were in the hospital with him. And I'm just. He's just sleeping and I'm just in a chair. So I'm like, I'll get on my laptop and I'll do some tooling around my laptop. And I get the email from IDW saying, idw, Darks being announced and so on and so forth. And they're in their partnership with some of these movies like Smile and things like that. Twilight Zone, all those other ones. And so I was like, oh, this is badass. And so like, I was like, wait a second.
[00:51:40] Speaker A: Then I saw like obviously fast forward and I was like, oh, you've been announced as the writer for it. I was like, oh, this is even better. Like, it's one of those things where it was like, I didn't, like, I didn't. It wasn't a media like, oh, Hannah would be great for that. Like, just. But then it can. It clicked in that sense. And that horror, like you mentioned the genre thing on it. And then I went back and obviously I. It watched the two movies again right after that announcement because I was like, this is gonna be amazing. And I'm so excited for it. I'm sure. You sure you know the ins and the outs of those movies now too? Yeah, but it's really cool. And I think that that's what's cool about it. And we knock about the, the, the you as a, as a professional going from one, you know, media to another.
This is also now more popular than ever is taking these feature films that are really popular and putting them to comic book form. And obviously we've seen it for years with Star wars and Star Trek. They've obviously crossed over And TMNT and all that stuff. But, like, the. Some of those I just mentioned started potentially in comics. So, like, you know, this is one of those things where you see it successfully on the screen and then IDW has enough, you know, risk to take on making these into comics and then getting people that have a following in the genre to go behind them and so on and so forth. So, like, you have this ability to. To bring over your fandom from Rogues Gallery from. From. From 1600 and as well as from, you know, the movie. So you have this, like, way different places to go into it. You also now have a bunch of people who are expecting something specific, like they're expecting the origin or they're expecting whatever from it. So you, like. It's also one of those. The pressure's on now in that sense.
[00:53:01] Speaker B: It is. And I will say the pressure in that sense is that, you know, a lot of comics were. Comments were like, oh, I hope it's scary. And that made me, like, a little nervous because I was like, there's obviously only so much you can do in Eric versus in the movies. And Parker is all about creating that atmosphere and that tension with if even. Even the sound. If you go back and look at those moments, we obviously do not get those opportunities in comic books. It's entirely different.
So already the stakes, or the stakes, what people are expecting are the expectations are high.
So it's definitely intimidating and even art style, again, transparently. This is the. The artist Mariana. She's wonderful, but that wasn't the vision that I actually had in mind.
But that is when you work on an IP job, you write the script and they pick the artist.
You don't get to pick. Pick the artist.
And again, not that Marianne. Mariana is beautiful. I think she does like the glamour and the glitz and like the poppiness of the world. Really, really well. I just, in my mind, when it came to, like, the demons and the demon, the entity, two worlds colliding. And when it came to the entity, you know, I'm familiar with, obviously Vanessa del Rey from 1600, where she has more of, like, a sketchy feel, I think Vanessa can create, like, an ambience really, really well.
Like 1600, she obviously has, like, little demons in there that you kind of see but don't see. And I think that kind of adds to the scares in a way. I always say it's like Jaws. When you don't see the shark. I actually think it's a little scarier.
[00:54:45] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:54:46] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's Vanessa's style versus Marianne is a little more literal, and her background is more like Disney and commercial. So it's entirely contrast to kind of the scripts that I wrote. But it works in a way for the audience for which they wanted. And, you know, Parker and Paramount picked the artist, so this is the vision that they wanted for the comic book. So.
Yeah. So I think I really hope that the audience enjoys it.
I'm very excited to have the story out there, and it's very cool that, you know, my decade plus of modeling, I finally get to write about it. Because I think even if you remove the entity, in a way, the modeling industry is scary in itself. So.
[00:55:27] Speaker A: Well, you have to write. You get to write about it, but also not the writing about it that people would expect a model to want to write about. Like, this is like the other side of, like, people are like, oh, I've seen her model. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, they don't know anything about Smile or anything or any of your comics at all, to be honest with you. There's just like. Like this darkness that people might not see in your glitzy, glamoury ness of it. It's like one of those things. You're just like, oh, as I know, Tanya Pell is a great novelist and she loves pink. So, like, everything's pink. But, like, if you picture, like, her office, it's kind of like on that Harry Potter, whatever. Whatever her had all the pink office, but she writes some freaking scary shit. And I'm just like, it doesn't connect in a way. In a way that you're just like, this is amazing. But sometimes those are the people who write the most, like, dark and deep, scary crap is the people who on the outside might not picture them doing that. And so that's what's exciting about this too. So you have Smile for the camera coming out. That's coming out in February, which is really exciting.
[00:56:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Valentine's Day.
[00:56:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Right around. Yeah, it's the 18th.
[00:56:26] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:56:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And then we actually have what I actually was doing the research for this. Initially, There wasn't an FOC on this, but the FOC is January 12th now. So that's. Which is awesome. So if you. If you're looking towards that, tell your comic book story. You want it. But you also have, you know, out of the four titles coming out on 90 day job, even the dark next year, you have two of them.
And so. Which is pretty awesome. So you're expanding exorcism at. To go to Buckingham palace now. Which is pretty awesome in that sense. It's also one of those things that I just like it so makes so much sense to do something like this, but also didn't see coming, if that makes any sense to you in the sense when you talk about it, you're just like, oh, it's this one series and then this expansion is amazing.
[00:57:07] Speaker B: I'm very excited about Buckingham palace. Honestly. It's, In a way, 1600 obviously, is one of my children. I never pick favorites ever.
You know, you should never pick a favorite child. But Buckingham allows a little more room for scares, honestly, and a little. A little more fun because 1600, we had to dance around politics a little bit because didn't ever want anyone to think that we wanted to make sure the book was apolitical because immediately you hear the White House and people are like, oh, it's a political book. And it's. That was the one thing that I loved and appreciated with the reviews too, is that people were like, this isn't.
Nobody's your typical political.
[00:57:47] Speaker A: Yes. You're not doing this. No one's taking sides. There's none of this thing in front of anybody. This is.
[00:57:51] Speaker B: This is. Yes. There's no party.
Nobody is on.
[00:57:57] Speaker B: Nobody is on a mission to.
[00:58:00] Speaker A: This is that it takes place at the White House. Like, that's the. That's like, that's what's going to happen. It's. Yeah, yeah.
[00:58:05] Speaker B: I haven't. Haven't talked about it in a minute. So now I'm like, wait, what?
[00:58:08] Speaker A: Well, there is also people who have said that before and I've read this, this, the series, and so I know, I'll tell you this, you're honest about it. This is true. There's no real size taken. There are people who have been like, there's no technical political party. We're talking about this. And also as you watch the show or read the thing, you're like, eh, are you sure about that? Like, this is like this true. It's more about the family and the dynamics and what's going on. Less about what side of the aisle you're on or anything like that. But it's a little bit, I say easier, but it's a little bit more easier for you to do at Buckingham Palace. There's a little bit less of dancing around 100%.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: Yeah. For 1600, we made sure she wasn't wearing one particular color throughout it or there wasn't any sort of like real mentions of any real enemies or anything along those lines. Like we say enemy and you have no idea about like who the enemy is, what the country is.
There's no real politics at play other than the fact that she's the first female president. Like that's, that's really it. And that also isn't really the purpose of the story.
It's more about her being a mother, honestly.
So for Buckingham palace, it's obviously we don't have to play with politics. You know, it's.
It's more about his relationship and what happens when someone who totally was not expecting to be king ends up having to be king.
And he's dealing with his own substance issues. Basically. This guy is not clean at all. He is not who the crown would want facing. Yes.
[00:59:37] Speaker B: While he's dealing with all of that and then having to deal with. With a demon. A demon essentially seeking political power because the cat's out of the bag now. So from 1600 people know that our demon essentially wants a political play.
[00:59:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:51] Speaker B: Like, what's scarier than a demon being at the seat of like the biggest seat in the country? Essentially. But what's even scarier is what if the demons were at all of the seats.
[01:00:02] Speaker A: Yes.
[01:00:02] Speaker B: Of power.
[01:00:04] Speaker A: And it's fun. And I do think it's one of those things that you mentioned. There's got to be drama below the horror or the thriller. Ness of it. And, and having this, you know, when you, when you set this first part in the. In the White House is like there is still as much as I've actually, I've driven by it and I've seen it from the outside. I've never been in it. My mom has gone for a tour or whatever.
[01:00:23] Speaker B: But like you can't go in it now.
[01:00:25] Speaker A: Yes, exactly. You can't relate to it. You could, but you can relate to it. Like I know that building. I know where it is. I know who lives there. I know what happens there. And so at that. Or for the most part, that makes it relatable. And the drama is there. The fact that she's a mother and all that stuff. First female president. There's all that there. And the same thing, like you have this story.
[01:00:45] Speaker A: If you pulled the horror out, is someone who. Dealing with drugs and.
[01:00:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:00:50] Speaker A: Becoming king and all that or becoming a leader. And so there is this drama to it. That's amazing. I think you have, you've done well. And I think that without actually doing it, like there's also this ability to like go too far into some sort of socio political thing to make it a subject that makes it really, you know, hard to not dance around. This is. I don't know. There's something about it that's just, like, right in the middle. It is. It fits perfectly.
[01:01:12] Speaker B: Come back to what I just said there. But you can't go in. For anyone who doesn't know, it's because the East Wing was the place where you could take the tours, so.
[01:01:20] Speaker A: Taylor, Taylor, Taylor.
[01:01:25] Speaker A: My daughter's crying, so you can just go home from school. No, it's okay. But I don't even have to cut this out.
Come on. Come on. Riley.
[01:01:34] Speaker A: Come here.
[01:01:39] Speaker A: Can you say hi?
[01:01:40] Speaker B: Hi.
Oh, hello.
[01:01:43] Speaker A: This is Riley and Nova.
[01:01:46] Speaker B: Hi. Oh, my gosh. They look so much alike.
[01:01:50] Speaker A: No, it's running. Okay, now go see mama.
Go get a snack.
[01:01:55] Speaker A: Love you.
[01:01:58] Speaker A: I just got home from school, so. Yeah.
Yeah. So, yeah, so this is. It's in the middle there. It has this ability to have a drama story that's political in a sense, but not really political. And I think expanding it to.
[01:02:13] Speaker A: Buckingham palace, it's also a different country, which is kind of cool, too, which is something that you get out of, which is something that you don't. Not always see in comics. You see them stay in the same place the next president potentially could come in. And so it's just fun. I think it's a new, unique place you're in, and I love it.
[01:02:28] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. But what I just wanted to go back to, what I said about the. You can't go in now is because the only place that did tours was actually the East Wing. So your mom got to go into.
[01:02:37] Speaker A: This in the East Wing. It's no longer there anymore.
[01:02:39] Speaker B: It's no longer there.
[01:02:41] Speaker A: Well, I guess. I guess you could add to it that that something had came out of the ground when they destroyed the building.
[01:02:47] Speaker B: Because I never got to go in it. I would love to take a tour so that every time now I hear someone, they're like, oh, I took a tour. I'm like, look at you. You can't do it anymore.
[01:02:55] Speaker A: Anymore. But, yeah, well, yeah, and it's also a sadder. Like, it's like, I've been into the Twin Towers, but that's. That's a completely different situation. Like, you know, I was actually in it in April of 2020, 22,001. So, like, months later, it was on the ground. Completely different situation. But, yeah, it's just one of those things where you're like, kind of like, yeah, you can't go into it anymore. I guess maybe we'll get invited to the ballroom. We'll see.
[01:03:16] Speaker B: It's not going to be as exciting though. I feel like I could. You can go to a hotel and look in there.
[01:03:21] Speaker A: Exactly, exactly. No, and it's because I watched West Wing for, for all the seasons. I absolutely was like just fun to watch in the, in the, in the relationships. It had nothing to, to me, it had nothing to do with the politics. It was about the people who were working there.
[01:03:35] Speaker B: Anyone like on any side and any political side of the spectrum. I think everyone can agree that it's still. It's very sad though to see that go because it's such a historic.
[01:03:45] Speaker A: Yes, yes, you're right.
[01:03:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:03:49] Speaker B: I think everyone agrees. It's sad that that is gone. Yes, it is.
[01:03:53] Speaker A: It is. So, so bringing over there. So you have now 2026 is going to be busy for you. You have multiple comics you have planned and so six. Buckingham palace, that comes out right after like March. Is that the goal? I don't know what the.
[01:04:07] Speaker B: Yeah, Buckingham palace comes out on March 11th.
[01:04:10] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:04:11] Speaker B: Yeah. So Smile is out on February 18th.
So yeah, there's. I'm doing signature series with Collector's paradise for anyone who is. Who isn't in LA or you know, in California and can't attend like San Diego or anything. If anyone wants signatures, I'm doing a signature series for. With Collector's Paradise. The links are online. They post them this week for both Mile. Yeah, and Buckingham palace, which I love those series because you get it signed with a certificate.
[01:04:39] Speaker B: To show that it's real and it's the same price of the. You know, and you're getting all of the series. So. So I think they have Buckingham palace, which by the way, Buckingham palace is actually a really good deal. I remember I DMED IDW to make sure that the price was right. So IDW had me doing a three issue jumbo for Buckingham Palace. It's still five issues. It's still the same amount of pages but it's been split into three issue jumbos.
They just wanted this one in that format.
[01:05:07] Speaker B: Don't know why, but we're doing it that way. But so the audience don't have to wait as long. So they'll have the whole series over three months. But. But each issue is actually still the same price as if it was only 20 pages, but you're getting 40.
So. Yeah, so I'm doing a signature series with Collector's Paradise, Buckingham palace and it's only like 14.99 for the whole series of Buckingham, which is a steal. And then smile is five issues. So I think that's like 25.
[01:05:34] Speaker A: Yeah, that's pretty cool.
It actually might make sense. I don't know what the math behind these publishers are now with deciding on what page count and stuff like that.
Maybe it makes sense more to add a few more pages, keep the price down, ship issues or send it to the printer less. I don't know. It's interesting because one of the things I've talked about is that people don't, I think, connect the idea that a 599 issue usually has more pages. Like it's not just that they're trying to get more money from you, is the fact that it costs more to print. I don't know if the extra pages cost the equivalent of how much more they're charging, but there is a more charge for more pages.
But yeah, I wonder how that would work in the future if we just entered, you know, did a, did a one and a half issues per issue and then just set the price around the same thing.
[01:06:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. That's essentially what you're getting. I know my editor, when they asked for that, my editor Heather was, was basically like, you, Hannah, can do that, but you can't charge more than 4.99.
[01:06:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:06:31] Speaker B: And I appreciate that because I'm very grateful for everyone always supporting my work and going out, especially if I'm having like multiple books come out at the same time.
So yeah, you're basically getting half a free issue every issue, Buckingham, which is wonderful. I also just think that indies can't be. They can't be more expensive than the Marvel and dc. No, they just can't be because the audience is trusting a new story, essentially.
So yeah, If Marvel and DC are now upping it to like 7ish now with some of their jumbos that they're doing in like the indie publishers, they have to stay under fire life.
[01:07:09] Speaker A: It's just, it's so funny because I went to local comic book shop Galactic Comics and Collectibles. He has this like slip that he has all the barcodes for like 299 comic, 399 comic and so on and so forth. That's how he does his inventory and stuff. And it's funny, he's like, still has the 299 on there. I'm like, dude, dude, Spawn was the only 299 comic left for years and now it's now 3.99. And I'm like, your thing ends at 5.99, man. Now there's so many more comics now that are 6.9979, 9899.
[01:07:34] Speaker B: I mean, 26.
[01:07:35] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just like, so you're going to have to print new things here, man. Like, you can't do the same thing over again. But, yeah, but like I said, it's. It's quality of comics sometimes size of the issue and so on and so forth. But be able to get more pages in the same price. That's amazing. And I also hope. And it looks like it will probably fall that way. The smile for the camera will come out in February. Then like three weeks later is when Buckingham palace comes out and then the following week, likely. So, like, hopefully we're buying your comics. Like, like, not on the same day. Because it's like I've always had. Kyle Starks actually mentioned me once that he had like a DC comic, a Dark Horse comic and an Image comic that all came out on the same day every month. And it's like if you're a fan of the writer or the artist, like, man, like, your budget just goes, like, through the roof.
[01:08:16] Speaker B: No, Jerry. I remember. I remember Jerry had something coming out at the same. I think he had three books too. Jerry Dogan, at the same time. And I was like, oh, my gosh. But, you know, I. I deliberately. I think IDW agreed that we had to space it a little bit. And also because we have so many good variants, and my audience particularly, I've noticed at signings, they tend to collect them all, like Pokemon, which is the best.
Because I'm sure you saw. I think you might have saw in like the last week, like one of our store exclusives from Rogues Gallery was like, on eBay for 2, $500, you know, and it's one of those ones where it was like one of those covers that it didn't even hit at the time.
[01:08:56] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[01:08:57] Speaker B: You know, and then suddenly it hits. So that's why, you know, one of those exclusives that people buy, like, for the, you know, the 1 in 100, the 1 in 500.
So, yeah, I have a. I have. My audience is big on the variants, I've noticed.
[01:09:11] Speaker A: Well, and it's also great. And I always like to say we're going to finish up here pretty quickly. But, like, the idea that you liked your art, Vanessa, for your artwork in 1600. And then you mentioned that there's a different artist, which is good. It's phenomenal already as it is. And then there's cover arts. But Martin Simon's doing your. Doing a variant too, for me. Kind of fits that Vanessa vibe, too. So I feel like you at least are checking some of those boxes off of bringing that in there, because Martin's stuff is, like. It's very same vein as Vanessa.
[01:09:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
That's when it comes to horror, personally, that's always just where my personal taste is.
I'm not sure if you saw. We had a release this week with Screen Rant, and they released some of the pages of Buckingham, and you can see some of our interiors. So we have Kelsey Ramsey on Buckingham palace, and Kelsey is an incredible British artist. So because we're obviously over in England, we got a British artist. And her pages are similar to Vanessa, but a little more. She's a.
She's actually probably a little more. Vanessa's a little more stylized and sketchy, and Keltz has a little more, like, details, and it's just. It's exceptional. Like, her background work is exceptional.
Pages she's been sending. Both of them are excited.
Just like two Dream gets.
[01:10:24] Speaker A: Yes. And it's one of those things. It's like, you like the idea that if. If you didn't say anything, that not many people would, like, jump out and notice it, which is kind of cool. You want it to be kind of a similar vibe, but that's different. It would be very different. I mean, one of my favorite cover artists is Scotty Young, and it would be very different if you got Scotty Young to do the interiors of your next issue. But, like, having someone at least in the same vein with a slight difference on it helps with that. And like I said, it's. There's, like, this style that, like, Is that messy, but not messy. Messy on purpose, if that makes sense. Not more messy, like they don't know what they're doing, but more like they're. It's intentional and thought thoughtful behind what they're doing. I think that's what it is.
100 and so. Yeah. So those are. It's so exciting. So, like, going into a year that you have multiple comics coming out already, and they're already, like, you're not. Like. I'm guessing you're still pitching things and you're still trying to get other comics made, but, like, is it. Do you feel good going into 2026 right now? Like, is it, like, exciting?
[01:11:18] Speaker B: It's. It. You know what? I actually just. You'll hear it here first. I can't say with what or who, but I got a book approved yesterday.
So. Yeah, I already have my next book after, once I wrap up Buckingham, which I'm on, like, last couple of pages.
[01:11:36] Speaker B: Yeah, like, Smile's already all written. That's done.
I think my artist just sent layouts for four, so we're off to the races on that one.
I tend to be really ahead on the scripts because you know you want it. Once you get the job, you're like, it's in my head. I'm gonna get it down. I'm gonna get it done.
So, yeah, I'll be finished with the final issue of Buckingham, and then I'll be straight into this next one. I don't think it will be announced until San Diego. Yeah, that tends to be where, you know, the announcements happen.
[01:12:06] Speaker A: If it. If it fits in that. If it fits it, like, it has the ability to wait till then, then that's probably where it's going to be.
[01:12:12] Speaker B: Exactly.
I did, which I haven't posted on socials or anything yet, so it went a little under the radar. So I do have to announce it soon again. But we did mention on a panel at San Diego briefly that I am writing a story for Minor Threats for Patton Oswald and Jordan Bloom.
So that comes out, I think, in April. So I think I have something for that.
[01:12:35] Speaker A: Yeah, that's excellent. It's what we want. And hopefully it's also like, being ahead on scripts is good, too, because I've always thought about the. Like with the website. A lot of times I try to be ahead a little bit because you never know what's going to be able to try to squeeze in there. Like, you never know when you're gonna have an opportunity to do something. Yeah, you never. You never know when you're gonna be able to do something. So you want to be able to hit ahead instead of be behind. Because we live in a world of comics that I think as readers, we're kind of just expecting it, that. That you are all busy and you get pulled in multiple different directions. And sometimes there's delays. And it could be from creation side, it could be from printing side, it could be from publishing. It could be everything. And so there is this delay. So to be ahead on something is nice. And I think that's, you know, probably just check that box off and be like, okay, that issue is done. I can move on to the next thing is probably. Probably nice. But before we get to 2026, you have issue three coming out of the guy in the chair coming out, I believe. Is it the 17th or is it actually Christmas Eve?
Oh, I think it's.
[01:13:28] Speaker B: I don't even know.
[01:13:29] Speaker A: So I think it's Christmas Eve, honestly, now that I think about okay, I.
[01:13:32] Speaker B: Think you might be right.
[01:13:33] Speaker A: Die in the chair. So when you're picking up your last. Well, when you got. When you're picking up your last minute Christmas presents, just swing into your local comic book shop because they're going to need the end of the year finances too. So you want to help your local comic book shop out and pick up those issues. So I believe December 24th and then the series wraps up in January and January 21st with the four issues there. And then the trader, one of those.
[01:13:55] Speaker B: Trade waiters, which we know you exist and we know there's trade waiters out there.
Our trade is available for, you know, pre order now. So it'll be right, it'll be out right after. So if you missed. Because I do I. Issue one is definitely sold out because I know people came around to an issue two and they're like, oh, my store sold out.
There was mumbles of us potentially doing an additional printing. I'm not sure if we're going to just wait now for the trade, but if you missed issue one, you can order the trade. So.
[01:14:27] Speaker A: And I believe you can, if you did want to just read it, I believe you can read it on Kindle, the Amazon, whatever the heck that is nowadays. I think you can find it on there too. If you did miss it and you want to read it now, then buy the trade because I think it's worth it. I actually just, it was funny because I literally got this package in today of like trades and this is all because I actually, I buy trades and I don't buy trades and so on and so forth. These are all ones that have had poll quotes on them. So I collect the books that we had poll quotes from our reviews on.
[01:14:57] Speaker B: I love that.
[01:14:58] Speaker A: And so now I have all these here.
My first.
I don't think so. No.
They used it in some marketing. They used it in 1600 pen for. In some marketing. But World Tree issue 3 is the first one I've been on the COVID for, which is pretty exciting.
And so there's that. But yeah, so I got a big trade stack here I got from my local comic book shop, Galactic Comics and Collectibles. So yeah, buy the trades. These are all worth it to me. Get it all in one place. So you can keep your single issues on your shelf in a box or something like that. And then you can read your trades when you want and get rid of, break them in and read them and go through them and do all that stuff on there. But also before the end of the year is Christmas. So I wanted to ask this. We finish up here. Do you have a favorite holiday movie?
[01:15:43] Speaker B: Favorite holiday movie.
[01:15:45] Speaker A: I'm putting you on the spot here, Anna.
[01:15:51] Speaker A: Batman Forever. So here. So last year, the owner of local comic comic shop, Galactic Comics and Collectibles, we reviewed that movie for December. We did it for Christmas. So this year's one that just came out, actually the week we're recording this is Die. We do Die Hard because we're like doing these like fringe, like, is it Christmas? Is it Christmas? Yeah, exactly. So I believe, and sadly to say that Die Hard is more of a Christmas movie, in my opinion, than Batman Forever. But I agree with you that it should be watched around this time of year.
[01:16:18] Speaker B: Wouldn't we all want Nicole Kidman under our tree? Because Nicole Kidman in Batman Forever.
[01:16:24] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. Absolutely phenomenal movie. I'm glad you picked that because it's also a non traditional movie. You didn't just go be like, oh, yeah, Christmas Story or whatever. But yeah, so it's a fun thing.
Oh, it's, it's. Which is also phenomenal. It's one of those. It's one of the few more recent movies. Someone just mentioned something about Christmas music. Like, there's no, there's no good Christmas music released after like 1985 or something like that. And I was like, like, I could see where you're coming from on that. Like, it hasn't have any heart to it anymore. It's more like commercial. And I was like, yeah, it's the same thing. There's not super, amazing, wonderful, unbelievable Christmas movies that have come out in the past 20 years, but elf is, is. Is the one that like the latest one where it was like, okay, this is now going to be iconic and historical to people watching Christmas movies.
There are other ones, but the Grinch.
[01:17:09] Speaker B: Holds up like the Grinch. Hilarious.
The Grinch and Alpha, I will say they are on in my household, like the second I'm like wrapping presents. And in that spirit, my son watches.
[01:17:21] Speaker A: The, my Nova who you saw here. He watches the Grinch, the new animated one, like in July. He just was like, can we put that on? So, like, I'm like, absolutely, we can put it on. Because I love, I love Christmas season. But yes, this is, this has been so much fun. I'm so glad we got the chance to do this.
I'm glad that now, in hindsight, that we got an episode with you and I got an episode with Utkarsh, because I feel like it would have been so much fun to be Together. But also we got the chance to breathe and talk about different things because it's hard to talk about 1600 Penn and Buckingham palace and smile when the only thing you should be talking about is guy in the chair, because you guys are together on it. So it's fun, exciting, and wonderful. But I hope Ulkarch gets more like, this is. I hope this is a jumping block for him. I hope it's one of those things where he has to decide he's gonna be acting. But if he has to decide between acting and writing comics, I also want to see him in more movies and TV shows, too, so I'll take that, too.
[01:18:12] Speaker B: But he's definitely committed to Ghosts for, like, at least the next two years.
[01:18:17] Speaker B: But, yeah, definitely. Definitely more movies, for sure. In his office.
[01:18:22] Speaker A: Yeah. And he's great at, you know, he's got a skill behind directing and writing, too. He's got that. That behind him, too. So, like, I think it's great, too. But I. Yeah, music. And I do think, though, you guys did a wonderful job together on this. So even if it's another you two guys doing something together, whether it be more Guy in this year or a different series, I'd be down for that, too. But I do appreciate you're busy. I understand it. It's getting close to the holidays, all that stuff. So I'm so thankful that you took up the time of your day to actually talk to us on the podcast here, and I hope we get to do it again sometime in the future.
[01:18:49] Speaker B: Thank you so much, Justin. This was so fun. Thank you for, you know, rescheduling and making it work and this. I was finally getting to do this and sorry I missed you before. And. Yeah, it's a good chat.
[01:19:00] Speaker A: I never really held. Don't hold it against anybody. It's okay. I never hold it against anybody. I have. There's some wishful people that have always been in there, and then there's also some people who have had to reschedule. And I say, you know, I. What. There's one person who messaged me recently was like, can we reschedule? And I deleted them from the schedule. Not.
I didn't go delete, but I deleted them from the schedule because in my mind that it was so hard to originally even try to get them to be on here. I'm like, it's probably not going to happen. Which is fine. Someday in the future, maybe it will happen. But I don't want to wait and hold out hope. But I was like, you know what? This is going to be easy. And I had an in with the curse being on here and I also you have some comics coming out so it made sense to chat again. And we had told you originally I was like well maybe we should do it in like February so like we can about talk talk you know more closer to smile. But I was like you know what? Forget that now. Let's do it now. And so we'll talk again. We'll see. But again. But keep up the good work. You know you're super talented and I can't wait for more to come out from from you in 2026 is gonna be huge. People should keep Hannah Rosemay on their radar. It's exciting. So. So good luck with everything and everything and happy holidays and happy New Year. We'll talk in the new year.
[01:20:02] Speaker B: Good luck and happy holidays and enjoy your holiday movies.
[01:20:06] Speaker A: I'm going to go watch Elf tonight. That's what I'll do. Here you go. Thanks Hannah. Great.
[01:20:11] Speaker B: Soon Justin. Thank.
[01:20:28] Speaker A: You.
