[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesandtights.com, i'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. This episode is once again brought to you by our friends over at Galactic Comics and collectibles. At GalacticComicsandCollectibles.com we welcome Paul Eaton, owner of Galactic Comics and Collectibles, to the podcast again, this time to discuss the 1991 blockbuster I'm just kidding film, the Rocketeer. But before you listen to this episode, follow us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, bluesky, threads, all those places you can rate, review, subscribe all over on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you find your podcast. You can watch the video portion
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Welcome back to the podcast. Paul, how are you today day?
[00:01:01] Speaker B: Good. Justin, welcome to Galactic Comics, the office.
[00:01:04] Speaker A: Well, now you have an office overflow.
[00:01:07] Speaker B: The. Whatever this godforsaken room is behind me.
[00:01:11] Speaker A: The. The. I can't stop buying comics for my shop room.
Yeah, that's what it should say on the wall, like, on the door, like, you like a plate. It says what room is like, this is I can't stop buying comics office space.
[00:01:24] Speaker B: We talked in the last podcast about how, like, I had the. The toys behind me, and like, normally that was my backdrop. So I'm like, well, let's try going in the office then. Also, if. If we're going and the store opens, we don't have people in here.
[00:01:36] Speaker A: And I had to have with Timmy.
[00:01:38] Speaker B: Timmy ha still gonna find a reason to, like, barge in this office.
[00:01:42] Speaker A: He's just gonna come in knowing that you're in there, be like, oh, I forgot.
[00:01:45] Speaker B: Yeah, he'll be poking through, like, in there eating his.
[00:01:48] Speaker A: Eating a sandwich or something, which is not uncommon. But yeah, no, Timmy ha did his episode with me talking about Archie versus minor threats in the store. And he owns Arsenal Comics in California. And people are just like, walking behind him like, this is interesting. Like, it didn't phase me until the first person walked behind me. And then I'm like, do you have headphones in? Because this is now just awkward because now I feel like people are just listening to my.
[00:02:13] Speaker B: Just listening to the random conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's what the last one we did. Towards the end of it, there was A customer that was like, she just kind of kept creeping in.
[00:02:22] Speaker A: It was not hiding the window.
[00:02:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's not even someone I like knew. Like I didn't know this person. So I was like, what this, what is happening right now? Why are you in this space?
There we go.
[00:02:32] Speaker A: Back to the future.
[00:02:33] Speaker B: Yeah, we're powering it up.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: Powering up.
I need some like trash though, to put in that thing right in the back. The right.
[00:02:40] Speaker B: Yeah, feed it. Yeah.
[00:02:41] Speaker A: I love that line.
We obviously talked about that movie, but I love that line in the beginning of that movie where he's like, oh, he almost screwed everything up by not remembering to bring plutonium with him.
[00:02:52] Speaker B: Right.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: You mean like there's that line where it's like, oh my gosh, I forgot that. Can you imagine?
The holster would have been completely different.
[00:03:00] Speaker B: Well, he's so like. I mean that's the thing, like Doc is so scatterbrained.
[00:03:03] Speaker A: Scatterbrained, yeah.
[00:03:04] Speaker B: It's like genius, but like completely out in left field.
Ah.
[00:03:11] Speaker A: So I'm like trying to reset myself here, Paul, because I went to a.
It's gonna sound bad, a bachelor party weekend this weekend. But it's not the alcohol that was a problem because we handled ourselves pretty well. But we had to wake up at 4:30 in the morning to go fishing on Saturday morning.
And it was cold and drizzly and windy and we got back to like the entire day on Saturday. We were just like, oh my God, it's only 11:30. Oh my gosh, it's only 1:30. Oh my God.
[00:03:40] Speaker B: Because two o' clock in the afternoon.
[00:03:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And it's like if you get up early to go like on a trip somewhere, like the day is just, you keep on going. Whereas like fishing, it was like we went from 4:30 to 9:30. So like you got everything done that you needed to get done, but by 9:30. And so at that point we're like, most of us would have been waking up at this point after drinking the night before.
[00:04:00] Speaker B: So like I usually start coming to.
[00:04:02] Speaker A: We went bowl play pool and darts at a bar nearby. And we're like, oh, this is, it's dark inside or whatever. We're like having a few beers, we're getting ready to leave. We're like, it's 3:30 in the afternoon
[00:04:17] Speaker B: tonight.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: Or well, wait, well, they think some of you took it easy on Friday night because on Saturday we're gonna wake up early. So like I'm gonna take it easy. And that they thought they were gonna party hard on because we're going home on Sunday and it was like all of us were in bed by 8:30 like this.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: You know what? Everyone out of trouble that way, I guess.
[00:04:35] Speaker A: Well, I think to me, I'm like, I stopped drinking at 3:30, which means that I was able to recover by the time I woke up. They don't normally you go, you drink late and then you're like, oh, crap. You wake up like, crap. I was able to drive back no problem on Sunday, so. But now I'm like starting to get to the point where I go get up at a normal time. Both kids are back in the house after a week of having them. Raleigh being in Connecticut. So it's a little different. So I watched the Rocketeer last night as a celebration.
[00:04:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I. I finished this last night.
Everybody was off doing whatever they do in my house and I was reading the current. I'm like, oh, by myself. I guess I'm watching the rest of the Rocket Rocketeer.
[00:05:12] Speaker A: Yeah, it's so it came out in 1991. So you're. We realized before we started recording it's the 35th anniversary as of this past June is 35 years this movie's been out, which is kind of crazy, honestly.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: So this. Yeah, this is like our big anniversary. But why did you pick this movie? I thought maybe you picked it because of something like that.
[00:05:30] Speaker A: No, I picked it because it's like we do so many really crappy, crappy, crappy, crappy crappy movies and some good movies. And I feel like, you know, spoiler for the rest of this episode if you want to get my, my rating now, I won't give the actual rating, but I find it middle of the road. And so to me it was like, it's based on comics. And also the other part of it is one of the things I wrote down as a note is, is there enough people out there that know this is based off like generic public. Like, it's easy to say Batman is based on comics. Like it's easy to say that. It's easy to say Batman or whatever is based on comics. But there are a few movies and I have them on our list to watch that are based on comics that people may not know that. And that's the case there. Here, you know this.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: I bet a lot of people do not know this was originally a comic book. I also, for some reason. So I went after watching it, I went to look because I'm like, I know we've had the first appearance of Rocketeer in comic form and I pictured it being this big book and it's. It's not. It's only worth, like, 20 bucks. Rocketeer's not on the COVID It's an obscure, like, title.
And I envision the Rocketeer being much older. I thought this, like, the character came out along, like, much longer ago than 90, 80, 89 or something.
[00:06:44] Speaker A: It was 82.
[00:06:46] Speaker B: Okay. It wasn't 82. All right. So it's still, like, in the progression of it. For being an independent character wasn't all that long to go from debut comic to a movie, especially with not being like Ninja Turtles. It didn't. It didn't have this huge worldwide phenomenon that's unlike Ninja Turtles did, that came out around the Same Time in 82 and then became a movie in 1990. But that had this, like, insane following where to have even, like, dug this up and found this and decided to make a movie of. It's kind of surprising.
[00:07:15] Speaker A: Yeah. So I read a little bit about, like, the background of, like, how this movie got even made in the first place. And part of it was like, you know, back when. When. When Dave Stevens made this comic book, he was having fun with it with Pacific Comics in 1982. It was. It came out in, like, what, Star Slayer Number two or something like that. It was like some sort.
Which is like, obviously back in the 80s and, like, early 90s was like, a very common thing that, like, a big character would actually star their own. Not in their own comic book first, like.
[00:07:41] Speaker B: Right.
[00:07:41] Speaker A: The fact that, like, his first appearance didn't end up in their own title,
[00:07:45] Speaker B: like, test drive type things nowadays, it's
[00:07:48] Speaker A: like a new character comes out. It's like in a new comic book called that Comic book. Like, we're going to launch the whole thing, or it's known or it's, like, alluded to. And this is like, all of a sudden someone was like, oh, we'll just throw this character in there. And then, you know, it ended up being more. And it hasn't, like, to be honest with you. And one of the reasons why people I don't know it's comics is like, it's not like it's gone mega, mega like you. I mean, like, even if, like, the Turtles appeared in Star Slayer, for example, just say they did and they turned out to be what they are now. It's easy to be like, oh, it started in a comic book. But the fact that Rocketeer has never really, like, skyrocketed.
[00:08:19] Speaker B: I'm sure there are plenty of people that still don't know about Dark Here at all. If they, like, are a little bit younger or they weren't out when this movie kind of had his popular quote unquote popularity.
There's probably people that just. They have no idea who the rockier is. And there is still publishing comics of them, but they're very.
They're not good. They're usually like four issues.
[00:08:41] Speaker A: This year's books have been good, and a couple of them. The main reason, I think, why this, like, the Rocketeer of the island that came out recently, it's a story from Dave Stevens that was left behind. And so, like, they're just like, left on the. Like, they finishing the story for Dave. And it was. By now. I can't remember his name. I have to look it up in a second. But, like, he did chew.
Oh, yeah, John Lehman.
[00:09:07] Speaker B: There you go.
[00:09:08] Speaker A: Yeah. So he did this story. It's great. It's like. But part of it's also because, like, it has the DNA of the original stories because it's by the script.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: The actual idea was by something that they started. Yes.
[00:09:20] Speaker A: But yeah, back in 1982, air area, they. They made these stories. They ended up getting comics in. In Pacific Comics, putting these books out. And then at one point they had interest. And then it sounds like Dave Stevens just like, basically gave the rights to these two writers and was like, for free. You could have the rights to this story if we could make it into a movie. Because I think his thought process was, if we can make it into the movie, he'll make more money off of comic books. So, like, he was just, like, willing to get it to anybody, which is kind of a unique thing. Like, I feel like, would that happen more often nowadays if someone was like, I'm going to give you the rights dirt cheap in the hopes that there's a sequel? Or, like, give the rights to the first movie and then get the money on the sequel and then maybe get the money in the comics and things like that. Like, maybe that may be more. But, like, if people are fighting for their money, it might not happen as easily. I don't know. But.
But yeah. So finally. And then it ended up in the hands of Disney. And it took them, I want to say, five years. It was like 86 to 91 to actually get the movie made. And part of it was like changing directors and changing writers and going from what the actual comic book is to what it is in the theaters they see on the screen.
And so it took a while. And it was like one of those things that there was actually interest early, but it just takes forever to get movies made. And I think that it's almost a luck that the movie even got made.
[00:10:36] Speaker B: Well, in reading about it, it sounds like they've sort of played with the idea of a sequel or a restart or relaunch of it multiple times. Honestly, practically since it started, since the first movie got done, it's been like this. Well, maybe, you know, we'll do another thing. Maybe something else will come out of it.
[00:10:53] Speaker A: That's something to talk about here at Paul.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: All right, so I, I can tell you that I really enjoyed this movie when I was a kid. Like, I. It was one of. It was a weird movie that, like, I don't think I owned, but I like, rented over and over and over again.
And I remember just like loving this thing and watching it.
Liz and I tried to watch it, I'm gonna say a couple years ago, we're like, oh, do you remember the Rocketeer? Let's watch that. And starting it out, it was like boring as like we, we didn't make it very far into it before going, oh my God, let's just go watch something else, like. Or let's go find something else to do.
So it was sort of fun half, like having to sit down and watch this because once it starts developing, I feel like it gets more fun. And I don't know, maybe it was a mindset thing. Maybe I was sort of like just in for a little bit of adventure today, you know, type thing. But like, I, I enjoyed it this, this go through.
I think you're right. I think it's like kind of like a. It's like a material movie. I don't think this movie you're ever gonna tell somebody they have to go watch, oh my God, you have to watch Rocketeer.
But it's fun.
[00:12:00] Speaker A: It's a. I would think it's a fun movie for young. Like, if you watch like Nova's five and be like, hey, you want to watch an adventure movie that's not too over the top, that doesn't have a lot of. And what, what, what the complaints about is that it is toned down version of what the comic book actually is. And that's one of the biggest complaints about it is the fact that there's a lot more sexuality, there's a lot more graphic violence or whatever, but like, not too graphic, but like, more than this. But it was obviously when it was Disney, and Disney was originally going to do it on one of their imprints, but they ended up doing it at Disney. It's actually a Disney proper movie now or when it got put out. And so obviously they pulled the sexuality out of it and stuff like that and so on and so forth. So, like, it is a more toned down version of it, which is great. But, like, the other thing is, is that the comic book is a serialized comic book and the story continues and the Rocketeer is. The Rocketeer.
So, you know, jumping to the end of this. Did they. They were hoping to do a trilogy of this movie originally. Like, what's one of the original.
[00:12:55] Speaker B: They signed the main actor.
[00:12:57] Speaker A: Why would you destroy it?
[00:12:59] Speaker B: Three things. Well, I mean, you get at the end of it there that she saved the blueprints.
[00:13:05] Speaker A: Yes.
I feel like. I feel like that's the second movie.
[00:13:09] Speaker B: The idea that Petey might go build maybe even a better version. He's like, oh, if we start changing the fuel ratio, like, maybe it'll be a better version. But it's kind of funny to. To have the big finish end with blowing up the pack, and it'd be
[00:13:21] Speaker A: like the end of Iron Man 1,
[00:13:22] Speaker B: you know what I mean? Like, sort of like the iconic pieces of this. Of the rocket characters. It wasn't like, at the end of it, he's, like, setting the helmet in, like, a closet and then, like, walking
[00:13:35] Speaker A: away from it, putting it away for a little while, and, like, the pack
[00:13:39] Speaker B: and everything being like, all right, this, you know, can never come out again. And, like, hiding it somewhere, you know, something of that nature would have been more, I guess, like, foreshadowing of a sequel than what we ended up with. We're like, oh, maybe they build another one.
[00:13:56] Speaker A: Yeah, it's my thought was like, kind
[00:13:57] Speaker B: of a letdown for that side of it. The idea that potential sequel was kind of.
[00:14:01] Speaker A: That sounds like a second movie to me. Like, this, like, the end of this movie. It seems like the first movie is a setup. You get the Rocketeer, the end of the movie, he maybe sets it down, says, I got to take a break from this or. Or they're going to come get me if they find it.
And then in the second movie, it starts off with, like, him pulling the pack out because he needs it and uses it. And at the end of the second movie where it gets destroyed and it. The third movies where they build it on their own and do it like that. Kind of like, that seems like what it would be to me. Not like it seems like you, like. Yeah, it seems like if you can build it that easily, then why.
Why aren't they trying to be. Yeah. So.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: But that The Nazis. Big surprise here. The Nazis are bad guys in this movie. But why. Why are the Nazis having such a hard time developing it? If, like, this. This one random guy can, like.
[00:14:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:14:51] Speaker B: It's.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: It's. So Disney obviously bought the rights to this movie because they wanted to make action figures. They wanted to do shirts and T shirts.
[00:15:01] Speaker B: I'm trying to remember. I don't think I've ever. I don't think there were figures ever actually released.
Made the, like, X Men figures of that era. And they had. They made all the, like, superhero figures of that era. For the most part, it was them and then Kenner doing DC stuff.
But I feel like I liked enough that if there was a toy line, I probably would have had an action figure of the Rocketeer. And they're bombing around, fighting, you know, my villains and superheroes and stuff. And it's sort of funny that the amount of toy lines produced in the 90s that didn't get just green lint, Just, like, let's go.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: It's a dude with articulating arms that you just use the same mold for something and then put the suit.
[00:15:47] Speaker B: You have a jetpack, one that comes on, a jetpack, one that comes off. You have the jet pack on the string that goes.
We're doing for, like, Batman and Spider Man.
[00:15:57] Speaker A: They have a jetpack and a leather jacket, and that's the only thing you'd have to create other than, like, molding in the helmet and then molding the rest of a regular action figure and painting him differently. And so, like, to me, like, it wouldn't be that hard. It's not like trying to create, like, an R2D2 or some sort of, like,
[00:16:12] Speaker B: something very, like, more uniquely built. Yeah. You figure they probably got the parts of any random action figure they already got and just be like, all right, well, we repaint this, stick this chest plate on top of this one and send it.
[00:16:22] Speaker A: And nowadays, it would come with a piece to make a plane. You know what I mean? Like, nowadays, it'd be the action figure in a small piece that you could build the plane. Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: Build the blimp or something.
[00:16:30] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, so. So I was afraid. I was like, I was after rewatching the same thing. I feel like it was a movie as a kid where it was like, we love the Rocketeer because it was badass for a kid. You imagine if you had rocket packages and the idea that fighting Nazis and. Yeah. The idea that when you're, like, younger.
[00:16:47] Speaker B: Yeah, why not? Right. It Was cool.
[00:16:49] Speaker A: You see Spider man, you're like, oh, if I go to New York City, I'm going to see Spider man kind of thing. When you're younger, I think it's the same thing with, like, maybe if I go out to my garage, it's going to happen to be a rocket packet. And you're like, that kind of thing. It could happen to you.
[00:17:01] Speaker B: It's like GI Joe had them everything. Like a jet pack seemed like a more feasible reality. Something that could actually happen pretty easily to, like, our minds, I think, like, superpowers. Just that, like, a little confused as a kid. Like, do those exist?
[00:17:17] Speaker A: Is that real?
[00:17:18] Speaker B: Like, does that.
[00:17:18] Speaker A: And the fact that you could just put it on, basically and use it. It's kind of like when Iron Man. Iron man gets his suit in the Iron man film franchise. Talk about the film, not the comics. And he just, like, is able to fly with it, basically. Like, okay. The first time he flies away from
[00:17:31] Speaker B: it, I built into the suit a little. Yeah, but I mean, help him. That's what it gets me to. This guy is like, his first outing is kind of a chaotic mess, but,
[00:17:39] Speaker A: like, he still does it better than anybody else. Like, you and I step in one of those, like, Segway things that are two feet, we fall on our ass. But, like, it's like, this guy can get on a rocket.
[00:17:48] Speaker B: He is a pilot going by going faster than, like, any of the airplanes of its time.
[00:17:53] Speaker A: He is a pilot, so he has the idea of knowing what to do in the air, but, like, still, it's still.
[00:17:58] Speaker B: Oh, the helmet's a rudder. Didn't think of that. PD all right, well, I'm good. I got this. Now.
[00:18:02] Speaker A: It also seemed like. It seems kind of far fetched to be able to turn your head and that you would turn your entire body that much. But whatever, I'm not gonna. Yeah, that's not, you know, I don't know the science behind it. Is there an episode of, like, mythbusters or the science behind.
[00:18:14] Speaker B: We need to. You need somebody with a physics degree in here?
[00:18:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we don't. We don't have that here. Sorry. If you guys are looking for that science behind the Rocketeer, you're at the wrong podcast just to let you.
[00:18:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I actually would watch a podcast of that. Of the science.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: Well, I would like to say a mythbusters episode. Like, how, like, would that tell us the truth behind whether Rocketeer is not real or real or not?
[00:18:34] Speaker B: But, yeah, basically, which I do feel like is one of the boring parts of it is like after the excitement of him in the air with the plane and the shootout with the. The mobsters and the FBI and all that stuff. Then they get the jet pack. He finds the jet pack, and it's just them freaking with the jetpack for like, I don't know, probably only like 10 to 15 minutes, but it feels really long.
They're like cutting down a statue and sticking it on it. And that part all seemed pretty slow.
[00:19:02] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:19:03] Speaker B: And it's probably about the time that
[00:19:04] Speaker A: we were like, this is boring.
[00:19:06] Speaker B: Now. The first watching of this with Los and I watching it as adults was probably about the time we checked out and said, all right, I'm out of here.
[00:19:13] Speaker A: So do you feel the beginning of this movie almost was like, force.
[00:19:19] Speaker B: The.
[00:19:19] Speaker A: The way the pack got to Cliff. Like, it almost felt like you. You start off with this police or this chase, and I'm like, oh, this is pretty cool. It's action packed right from the beginning. And also, you're thinking for a hot second there, I was like, they're gonna back up and they're filming a movie. Like, that's what the. You know, because, you know, in this movie you're. Neville is an actor, so you're like, oh, maybe they're just filming a movie. Then you're not. And then you're like, well, who's doing what? And they say, like, hope these black and whites get out of the way. And you realize that this is the FBI and the police chasing and all this. So that got confusing. And it's like. It's almost like they were forcing plot points into the movie to start off with that they could use them later on.
[00:19:55] Speaker B: How are we getting this jet pack to him?
[00:19:57] Speaker A: Because I feel like it would have almost been better for her to, like, just stumble upon the jetpack and use it. And then the mystery started to unfold where like, oh, crap, the FBI is looking for it and the mob's looking for it. And this is like. Like he knew from the beginning that it wasn't that where it came from, basically because he stumbled upon.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: Maybe if he worked for Hughes and was a test pilot for Hughes would have been better. Like, okay, I already had access to this. I already was trying to learn how to use this and it gets stolen.
[00:20:26] Speaker A: No, we're right, though. If finding a new place to find the pack, which is, okay, not the biggest deal, the pack getting to the airstrip through the chase and all that stuff. Okay, leave that. Maybe that's fine. Maybe that's an easy way to do It. But did they have to shoot the plane down? Like, to me, I'm like thinking to myself, like, that seemed like a way to like, oh, that's how they're gonna interact together. Nothing. We're gonna end up at the airstrip. But if they just ended up at the airstrip and he had some sort of other failure in the plane, like an engine failure. Like, why did this. What if you're just driving around, a plane drives over, who just looks up and shoots the plane, starts shooting it?
[00:21:00] Speaker B: I mean, I guess you're a mobster, you don't care.
[00:21:02] Speaker A: But, like, aren't you trying to get
[00:21:02] Speaker B: the thing in front of you in his favor later?
Like, you know, I know there was the whole.
[00:21:08] Speaker A: That whole plot point and the whole thing was to get. So that the plane wasn't active anymore. So they needed to use something other than a plane.
[00:21:13] Speaker B: Ye.
Desperation for money.
[00:21:15] Speaker A: But like, they could have had just engine failure or like a seagull hit it or something.
[00:21:19] Speaker B: And.
[00:21:19] Speaker A: And still caused the same story. The whole putting it up in the air and shooting in the air when you're chasing something in front of you. Did he. Did the mobster think or the FBI think that that plane was helping the
[00:21:29] Speaker B: guys definitely want to shot it down. I. I wonder if maybe like, that's sort of the idea he thought maybe this. They were working with the FBI, this plane, you know, oh, God, they're sending planes after us now.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: It was what would be funny because back in 1943 or whatever the hell it was. Yeah, yeah. That they would have connect communication that well to tell the plane in the air. Like, I don't feel like there's very many plane chases in the early forties.
[00:21:53] Speaker B: I don't think so.
[00:21:54] Speaker A: 3840, whatever it was. But it also makes you think about how funny it is of how, like, yes, obviously the rocket power technology is a fiction story, but like, the planes, like, in my mind, it keeps like, stupidity in me goes, we had planes in 1938 and everything. Like, okay, yes, Justin, there's planes in 1930. Like, it was regularly available. But it's just kind of funny. Like, as you get older and as we get later into 2000s and things like that, you just think about how far away something has been.
[00:22:21] Speaker B: Like, it's funny because you start getting these, like, as you're an adult, you put these other thoughts to this movie. Like, I'm sitting here going, wait a minute. So we have the Nazis. So World War II is like, maybe eminent at this point. Maybe it hasn't but, like, if he's just like, great pilot when he already been enlisted in the, like, military or the military would have like, oh, you know, you're in. But maybe this was supposed to take place before Pearl Harbor. I'm sort of confused on that one.
[00:22:47] Speaker A: Yeah. I don't know if they had that fully thought out.
I think in the 90s, when they make movies, sometimes they don't feel people like, we're gonna look that far into things.
[00:22:56] Speaker B: Well, yeah. And I think they were like, we need a bad guy. You know, Nazis are evil. So here we go. Easy write in speaking place in that time.
[00:23:04] Speaker A: Like, do you feel like this movie. And this is what I feel like is that this movie is not a period piece in the sense that you'd watch it. Being like, this is what it was like in 1938 or whatever is more like, we're gonna make a movie that was a. Like. Like a movie would be filmed in 1930. Like, this movie is not.
It's more of a. You're watching a movie that was made in the 1930s, 1940s, to look like what was going on. So it was like, almost like glorifying
[00:23:34] Speaker B: series, I feel like where there is no exact timeline. This takes place in. You have the zeppelin, but you have this technology that's way in advance, and yet all the cars are old.
[00:23:44] Speaker A: Like, almost watching it, though, I'm saying, like, watching it going. Watching it going. It looks like a film. Like they're making a movie in this movie.
[00:23:52] Speaker B: Right?
[00:23:52] Speaker A: Like, they're Neville's.
[00:23:53] Speaker B: Right.
[00:23:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
And what's her face is not Betty. Because Betty Page, who's in the comic book. Yeah. Jenny is that she's an actress as well. And so they're, like, making movies. So it's like it almost feels like when they film this movie, they're trying to be, like, meta in the sense that it was like, we're not making a movie that you're watching now going. That's what it's like in the 1930s, 1940s. What they're doing is in the 1930s and 1940s, making a movie to make it look like what's going on right now in their world. And it glorifies some things and it shines up and makes things a little bit more unrealistic. But it's like you're not watching a period piece. You're watching a movie that was filmed in the 1930s. They almost, like, try to, like, make it seem like we're making this movie from the 1930s, 1940s, not about the 1930s, 1940. It's like, it was weird. This weird, like, way I was watching, I was like, oh, that's interesting. Art deco and like, reading all this
[00:24:43] Speaker B: different stuff of post production and the reviews and this and that. Some people complain that there was like, it seemed like too much time and interest in the art deco style of it all, while not enough interest in the plot and this and that and that parts of that could take away from it. Because there was. There was a lot of like, scenery that really is just showing you kind of the time and piece. Like, stuff that was just there to be like, look, it's the 30s, not anything relevant to the plot. So it kind of slows the movie
[00:25:12] Speaker A: down a little bit.
[00:25:13] Speaker B: Yes, but that's my point.
[00:25:15] Speaker A: It's like the idea. It's like somebody.
[00:25:17] Speaker B: It was like, loved the fact that it sort of. It made it feel more serialized. It made it feel more like the old, like, movies of its time, that it was sort of in force. You're right. It's almost like this is like if a movie was made in 1930s, this is what it'd be like.
But it sort of also loses a little bit from that. It's. It's.
I don't know. Watch this movie. It's a little. It's a little weird, like in all of it, and a little weird of like, a bit weird on, like, the target audience slash.
It's definitely family friendly, like, and I feel like that was the goal. That was the Disney side of this. We're gonna make a family friendly action movie. And they had a full thought this was gonna be like, this was gonna be Indiana Jones.
[00:25:55] Speaker A: Yeah, that's the difference Roger Ebert said about this movie was that, like, Indiana Jones kind of like spoofed on old serials from that era and played into it a little bit, but also did its own action and stuff like that. So, like, it actually played with it. It worked out well. This was almost like it just recreated them. It's almost like it was just like, we're gonna create a new story from that time and so on and so forth. The action is there.
Yes, yes. But the action was there and it was exciting. They said the chase at the beginning was fine. The plane, when he saved the plane, and the balance. I will say the special effects from 1991 are no different than the flying special effects from when the Superman movie came out or when we watched Supergirl. Yeah, like, those flying special effects don' don't change in long.
[00:26:40] Speaker B: It was all like, Physical effects and stuff. And it.
[00:26:43] Speaker A: In the 80s and 90s they didn't have that like good flying CGI, so they basically put them on something and made them look like they were flying whatever. But the rest of it was mostly practical effects, which I kind of appreciated in that sense. That again, if you're trying to make this movie look like this movie was made in the 30s, not about the 30s, you would have more practical effects and less CGI because they're gonna blow up instead of like fake blow stuff up. Because in the 1930s, 1940s, you wouldn't be able to put graphics on screen like that. And so part of it was like, oh, I kind of like respected that in that sense. And. And they, they steered away from times where they didn't need it and so on and the exaggeration of a gun chase and things like that. It was like, it was cool in that sense. I thought it was like a little bit.
[00:27:27] Speaker B: It wasn't most of it overall in the physical stuff it was like held up. It was fun. It was still like good to watch. It didn't look bad on screen.
[00:27:34] Speaker A: There was moments where you're like, hahaha, this is like a funny book.
Part of the story that was a little exaggerated, but there was other parts that were like. And that's part of it. You know, if we've talked multiple times of like, does this movie know what it is?
You know, like different movies we've watched and like there's moments in here where I'm like, does this movie really know what's going on, what's happening here? And then there's other parts like they get it and so they're like. That's why I feel like it's in the mixture of the road. Middle of the road movie is because
[00:27:58] Speaker B: it like, yeah, it's almost like Indiana Jones wasn't made to be a family movie necessarily. It just ended up that way. And there's parts of India Jones that are a little bit darker, but it's okay. You watched it and went through it and this was a little bit of like we could lean into a dark part, but we're not gonna. And you can feel it. You pull back a little and it's okay. But I think it eliminates a little bit of the staying power as like to continue watch this movie as you get older.
It's really almost feels like it's geared to that 7, 8, 9 year old kid.
And they said that they tried to put a target audience of teenagers and the teenagers didn't want to watch it?
[00:28:37] Speaker A: No. I mean, there's all, like, a horny teenager wants to see a little more sexuality in his movies than was in this movie.
And it was like, there was an insinuation of it. Like, when he asked them to put the. You want me to try this on? Which is obviously in every. It must be in every single serial story from that era, because isn't that exactly what happens at Indiana Jones too, where he wants her to try the dress on. The Nazi guy wants her to try the dress on in the. In the tent. And this is like a recreate of the same. Same scene. It's just like. It was like a Nazi going, I want to see you in this dress.
I don't want to see you get into the dress.
Yes. It's like. It's like a camera angle. It was like the camera operator was, like, accidentally doing it, and they're like, well, we gotta slice this in somewhere.
But no, it's like, it was weird. It was like these moments where, like, it's like, try again. That sexuality was like, they were trying, but then they're like, also, like, it's not like the guy wanted to watch her get dressed. She just wanted to watch her in this dress. It was a weird, like, thing. So in the movie, in the book comics, it is more sexual. There's more sexual tension between. It was also. Betty Page is a more sexual character. Like, not just, like, physical sex. I'm just talking about, like, sensual and, like. And they.
They had the rights in the comic to use Betty Page as Betty Page, like, the actual person.
But they could not secure it for the movie. They couldn't secure the rights, and so they changed her character when they did that toe, it wasn't like, we're just going to change the name of the character and use the same thing.
[00:30:01] Speaker B: They changed Betty Page, but they changed,
[00:30:05] Speaker A: like, she's way more of a damsel in distress in this movie than she is in the comic, which. Which also is like, definitely, like, dudes were making this movie.
[00:30:14] Speaker B: I did, like, though, like, I gave a little bit of the credit on the fact because for the most part, she's a little on the naive side with this and a little bit damp on the stress. But then also, when she's kidnapped, she does fight back. You know, she leads the guy and she smashes him over the head. Like, I. I appreciate that.
So I. I thought it was kind of cool that Jenny had a little bit more to her of a character for that stuff. One wants to give me a Cliff, he's over there. Every time he has an opportunity, he. He beats up this gangster.
Take the gun, dude.
You're fighting Nazis. He finally, finally takes a gun and then drops it 10 seconds later. They must have had a thing where they're like, oh, we're not gonna have the good guys use guns in here unless they're police. Like, the FBI can have guns, you know, but if. If the Rocketeer doesn't use a gun or something, there's like one scene there, he's holding the gun and then he takes off and then immediately loses it.
And there's like, opportunities where he could have like, dude, you're. You're fighting mobsters and gangsters and all this stuff. And, like, you have an opportunity to do more than just have a jet pack, a bunch of people.
[00:31:19] Speaker A: Yes, yes, yes. But I think it's. It's because they felt they made it more like old fashioned. They made it more like, honest. And he made him even more naive than anything. And so it was like more like that side of things. And I like the kind of the quips they had, like the typical. Again, the typical thing you've seen in every movie based in this era is the women's house where the men goes to it and there's a curfew and they don't want women in there after a certain time. And all this stuff. And it ends up being this whole, like, they're sneaking out or. Or whatever it may be. It's literally like cookie cutter. I mean, it was like that in Agent Carter, the TV show on Netflix. It was in like, it's. Everything is like this. However, I did love Cliff's responses that were like, oh, but he goes, I don't need like, like gentlemen coming in after.
I'm no gentleman. And then he's like, as she's walking away. What was it like? He said something about like, yes, master, or some sort of like. Yes.
What was it? He said a line, but it was like, Warden. Yeah, Warden. Yes.
And it was like. That was, to me added a little bit of like a. A difference to it. Whereas everybody else has been like the
[00:32:23] Speaker B: most depth part that Cliff got, because I do feel like going back, watching through this. Cliff's kind of. He's really dry.
[00:32:30] Speaker A: Yes. I mean, everybody really is in this movie.
[00:32:32] Speaker B: There is no character jacket with a cool helmet and a cool jackpack. Yeah, it doesn't really have a whole hell of a lot going on.
[00:32:38] Speaker A: Like, if he didn't have his looks,
[00:32:40] Speaker B: this is another one where the villain is actually A lot more interesting.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:32:45] Speaker B: Than the hero is.
[00:32:46] Speaker A: Well, the villain and the secondary villain. So you're.
[00:32:49] Speaker B: You're.
[00:32:49] Speaker A: You're Lothar. Lothar, whatever his name is. The one that looks like really ugly
[00:32:53] Speaker B: looking, super Dick Tracy looking character.
[00:32:55] Speaker A: It looks super. Dictates. I even stopped for a second ago. Was this dude in Dick Tracy like this to me, I'm like, I would. And so, no, it was based off of a character from that era that was very, very exaggerated looking.
[00:33:06] Speaker B: And so I thought they, like, made that up to. I almost wonder at that point, are we gonna have the Dick Tracy thing where every bad guy.
[00:33:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:12] Speaker B: Is like, really?
[00:33:13] Speaker A: It was almost over the top. It was like the only thing in the entire movie that was over the top. Like, character wise, like you look at every other character. No other character had any sort of exaggeration to it.
They were very recognizable. Every character was recognizable for their own thing, you know, the same.
Was it. Neville and Howard Hughes had like the same mustache, but it was a mustache from that time. It wasn't like, so. So like. But other than that. Yeah. There was this one character. You're like, who the hell is this one character? And it's funny because it's not even like you cast the guy that looks like that. That's all prosthetic and makeup. He doesn't actually look like that.
[00:33:44] Speaker B: And so I'm like thinking to myself in high definite.
[00:33:47] Speaker A: Does show. Yeah.
[00:33:48] Speaker B: Very easy to see that. Which does looks a little odd against the fact that none of the rest of Dick Tracy was fine.
[00:33:53] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:33:53] Speaker B: Because every bad guy looked like that. That was the whole.
[00:33:55] Speaker A: And it was on purpose. Yeah.
[00:33:57] Speaker B: Yes. This was a little odd of like, why just him.
[00:34:02] Speaker A: And we had to make him look like this guy from the 1940s looks like a voiceover.
[00:34:06] Speaker B: And I don't know if it did as much like in the vhs, but it looks like a voiceover. Like his lips are moving and then the voice comes out and like, it doesn't look right.
[00:34:17] Speaker A: No. And it was weird. It was like.
[00:34:19] Speaker B: It was scary.
[00:34:20] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely. But it was like they tried to make him look like this guy, but they couldn't make him look just like this guy, you know, because of rights and things like that. So let's make him. And they went the opposite way. Instead of toning it down a little bit, they went the. The more exaggerated part of it. Like bigger lips and things like that. Like he looks like lips from. From. From Dictators. So there's this.
But to me, I don't know if it was like, it just. It made it more comicky. So it was kind of like, okay, that's kind of cool. It made it more comicy in that sense. But it also, like I said to
[00:34:45] Speaker B: me, I thought it was sort of was like, all right, well, you know, it gives it that exaggeration of the lifestyle.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: If it wasn't based on a comic, would I think differently? What I think, like, I said to me, it was weird. It was like, okay, this is a little exaggerated, you know. But then I said to myself, I guess, whatever. And then part of me was like, again, I haven't seen this movie probably since the 90s, I'll tell you that much. Like, if I have seen it, it's probably.
And so I was like, again, where. Where did I see this guy before? And it was like, okay, probably from this movie. Like, in my mind, I'm like, where have I seen this character? And again, I went to Dick Tracy just like you did. And I was like, wait a second, is it from Dick Dixie? But then I thought to myself, it's probably from this movie. That's why I remember this guy is this, this iconic, this guy. But he also is like, I don't know, just. He's the. He's the villain. He's a henchman. So I guess making the henchmen, like, look more evil. I don't know. I just feel like the only villain in this thing.
[00:35:38] Speaker B: And he wasn't like.
[00:35:39] Speaker A: And there's no reason behind it. Like, if you had a guy that was like, deformed because he fell into a vat of something, like Roger Ra. Some sort of, like, weird thing, and it gave you a reason. It was just this guy looked like this. This is how he looks.
[00:35:49] Speaker B: This guy's just weird looking.
[00:35:50] Speaker A: And obviously if he looks like that, he was born to be a henchman. He was born to be a henchman.
[00:35:54] Speaker B: If he looks like that, it's like naming your kid Jeeves. He's gonna be.
[00:36:01] Speaker A: So. Yeah. So, yeah, I was like, oh, this is interesting how this, this, this character looked like this. And I know whose decision. Obviously, Dave Stevens was part of this, integral part of it. But, like, he was a producer.
But the funny thing is. And then I looked it up, I'm like, wait, was he in the comics before and that's why they did it? No, he's been in the comic since in the form. But. But lother he was in the movie and then they. The future comics.
[00:36:24] Speaker B: Yeah. That's so weird. Yeah, because that's what I saw. I was like, And I did the thing with you. I'm like, well, it's based on this comic series. So that's probably why they made him this weird, crazy look.
I'll kind of accept it and rolled it and sort of liked it. But yeah, that's weird. I would have assumed that he was supposed to look at that because of. Which also doesn't surprise me the way around. I'm just like, let's just make this guy work. Maybe he. I don't know, maybe the actor they hired because he's huge, he's over seven feet tall. Maybe the actor hired like he's too, I don't know, too baby face to like. They're like, well, we got to do something to make him look different.
[00:36:57] Speaker A: His name is. His nickname is Tiny, by the way. Which is awesome. Yeah, his name is.
[00:37:01] Speaker B: Well, because I thought looking at him and watching him sort of lumber around, I thought he was the actor who played Jaw was in bulk. I went back and looked. I was like, is that. Is that him? And it's. It wasn't of course. So because. And that. And I thought maybe that was the voiceover thing. I'm like oh. Because the guy has sort of a. Sort of a deeper stranger voice. And I was like, maybe that's why they sort of did the voice acting. Maybe that's why they did the prosthetics to sort of hide that it was him. And no, it's not so weird.
[00:37:31] Speaker A: This movie is a like not badly rated movie. You know that, right? Like IMDb has a 6.6 6.6 at IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes is a 73 for for critics and 65 for for audience. And so it's actually not a bad rated movie. It lost money overall. It's 40 million dollar budget made 47
[00:37:52] Speaker B: million officially performed, which I found really surprising.
[00:37:56] Speaker A: So came out between though.
[00:37:58] Speaker B: Bigger small success as a kid.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: Do you have movies that came out in between though?
[00:38:02] Speaker B: Well, I saw Dick Tracy was out there.
[00:38:04] Speaker A: Well, Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves.
Yeah, it was competing Robin hood and Terminator 2.
[00:38:12] Speaker B: That's. That's not an easy no.
[00:38:14] Speaker A: And they said that's possible.
[00:38:15] Speaker B: I wonder if they hadn't gone for the summer blockbuster. If they're like we're gonna release this in October or by Christmas time. If this had played, would have done better than it did instead of just got lost in the mix.
Because that was. That was tough. But I was surprised that like in the grand scheme of things essentially was a loss. Like they made $6 million off of a 40 million dollar budget, it's not really a win. And canceling the toy line and all of that. So, so sort of surprised because like I said, I really thought this was more successful. Like I feel like everyone I knew watched it.
Kids. But I guess that was the catch. I was probably the target audience as a kid and for me I really thought this was like this great, brilliant thing. But if they didn't pull in, if, you know, the kids that were older than me, the teenagers weren't going to see this and you weren't getting one else. There's your, there's your catchers. Just the target audience was literally all you got. The seven year olds, eight year old, thought this was awesome. Nobody else cared. Parents weren't going to watch it by themselves or you know, going back a second time and they're. You're not getting anybody else. So I guess that was the flop.
[00:39:29] Speaker A: It wasn't horribly made. Right. So the movie actually is not a horrible movie. Like this is not one of the ones that we put towards the bottom of our rank.
[00:39:35] Speaker B: I actually rolled my eyes when you said we're watching Rocketeer because I was like, oh, I tried watching that. It was boring as sin. I'm like, this is gonna suck. And I actually got, I got sucked right into it. I was really having fun watching it.
[00:39:45] Speaker A: Atmosphere, action, things like that are definitely superior to the acting. I think that the characters know not even acting. The acting was okay. It was the characters themselves, the characterizations, the, the, the, the scripting of their characters. No one really stood out as like a oh my gosh character.
If anything, what's his face, the guy that helps him, the guy that, the old man who.
[00:40:04] Speaker B: Pete.
[00:40:05] Speaker A: If anything, I like him the best.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: He's likable. Like you're, you're, you know, PD's in danger and you're sort of afraid for PD, like oh God, you know, is he gonna be all right? And yeah. And I feel like the little, the town folk. I sort of like, like the, I love the woman that runs the, the little restaurant there. And while all the men are fighting with this mobster, she's clunks them over the head with the frying pan. Down he goes. And she also was funny. She plays a character I love in Justified.
[00:40:30] Speaker A: Yes. And she also is in. What the hell was she also in recently that I just watched. Oh gosh. But I gotta remember it. But she also was the one was like the guy said he's cliff sitting there, sitting there when Jenny runs away and she's like, go get Her.
[00:40:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Go after her, stupid.
Yeah, he's just in there.
Finally gets up and runs out. Yeah.
[00:40:48] Speaker A: What the heck was she in recently? I saw that. Absolutely. I love that she was in. She was great. But.
But, yeah. So that, to me was like. Okay, the characters. The story itself was like. The characters are the secondary thing. Even though the movie's called Rocketeer, basically
[00:41:00] Speaker B: the main character is the jetpack.
Like, that's really. The whole main plot is the superhero image. Rocketeer. It's almost like the Superman thing when Clark Kent sort of more the character, but the Superman suit, the Superman image is like the main piece of it all. This. The whole image. Rocketeer is kind of the main piece of it all. Okay.
[00:41:25] Speaker A: She was also in Walk, Walk Hard, the Dewey Cox series. But what else is she in?
Whatever. It doesn't really matter. But I just. I'm gonna have to look it up.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: That wasn't her. That was somebody else. All together.
[00:41:39] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm telling you. I have to tell you afterwards. Probably because it was something. It was something probably from the 90s or early 2000s.
[00:41:46] Speaker B: I got it instantly that she was.
[00:41:49] Speaker A: Yeah. She plays Mags and justify.
[00:41:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
And it was funny because she's younger, but it's the same.
[00:41:55] Speaker A: Oh, she's Camilla. She's on Dexter. She was on fire. Dexter.
[00:42:01] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:42:02] Speaker A: Oh, she works in, like, the.
[00:42:04] Speaker B: The.
[00:42:04] Speaker A: The. The records room in Dexter. And she kind of knows what's going on because she was friends with Dexter's dad and she kind of knows what he's doing, but she's also helping him. And so she's like five episodes, so she's badass.
But so. So do you know who directed this movie? Did you look that up?
[00:42:20] Speaker B: I looked that up, yeah. The director, Johnson.
Yeah.
[00:42:24] Speaker A: Honey. I shrink the kid with him up before this. So I understand why he was hired to. To direct this movie.
[00:42:30] Speaker B: And that was successful.
[00:42:31] Speaker A: He was a second hire for director because they had someone who got let go or quit or whatever.
And then he went on to do Jumanji in October sky and Captain America, the First Avenger, which kind of makes sense in that sense because it's insane. Yeah.
[00:42:47] Speaker B: And change. I go that, like.
[00:42:49] Speaker A: Yeah, he hasn't done a ton of movies. He's done, like, what, 10, 15 movies in. In the movies he's done is Jumanji, Rocketeer.
The one thing he did. Also did direct was Jurassic Park 3, so.
So I will say he did transfer 3. However, Joe Johnson has gone on to do the Avenger, the First Avenger Rocket, Captain America, which was Phenomenal.
What if they made another one now and brought him back as director?
But what if they rebooted this movie and just say, hey, here's your shot Again, don't go after a different director. You've done a period piece with.
[00:43:21] Speaker B: With.
[00:43:22] Speaker A: With Captain America.
[00:43:23] Speaker B: You did.
You don't want to say he did well, but he did well enough for this movie.
[00:43:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:43:29] Speaker B: Try to get what.
[00:43:30] Speaker A: Yeah, like, do it again like this. To me it was like, get a different writing team. Obviously, we want. We want to have a different writing team, but, like, I would love.
[00:43:38] Speaker B: I would love to see some of the cast members come back as bits and pieces of it.
You know, have it that.
Have it that PD did make a pack and. And scrolled it away and it gets found by the Rocketeer, the original Rocketeer son or something.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: They had an animated show which was. His granddaughter had the rocket. It was called Kit.
What's his last name?
[00:44:04] Speaker B: Kit.
[00:44:05] Speaker A: It's Cliff.
[00:44:07] Speaker B: Yeah, Cliff.
[00:44:12] Speaker A: Are we. How are we doing this year? Yeah, we watched the movie, guys. Don't worry. We believe us.
Movie. It's.
[00:44:17] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely.
[00:44:20] Speaker A: I have it here somewhere. Cliff Secord. So it's Kit Secord. Is the. Is the. Is the show was on Disney xd. Disney xd, whatever the hell that channel was. The animated channel that they had there. It was his granddaughter who had it. So they have touched this film, this story before.
[00:44:35] Speaker B: They.
[00:44:35] Speaker A: I think they did a video game, which is obviously very common for a movie. Made this in the 90s.
[00:44:41] Speaker B: Yeah, this must have had.
[00:44:43] Speaker A: And they talked about it. And I just feel like with the comics still being made, so IDW is still making comics. There's multiple different comics out from. From this team and Dave Stevens being, like, included in that.
[00:44:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:55] Speaker A: Get a different writing team.
Get a different writing team. Write a new story. But again, like you said, I think that it's more like be a.
Some sort of sequel.
[00:45:06] Speaker B: Original. Yeah.
[00:45:06] Speaker A: Or. Or just a reboot. Just do it from the beginning and have it be Cliff and so on and so forth. I don't have a problem with that. But, like, you also could do it multiple ways. Like, it would be fine to see in the day we live in now where they made the granddaughter be the person.
That could also work too, where it's like she fought. He had redone, made the pack and they made it and they did it and they decided not to do it anymore.
He passed, she got the house. It was in there, the floorboards.
And it's kind of like what they
[00:45:33] Speaker B: did for Ghostbusters and Then the bad guys start and then, oh God, we need the Rocketeer.
[00:45:38] Speaker A: Or he's not actually gone, he's been kidnapped. And he comes back as a really, really old man and comes back and sees her save the day or he saves. She saves the day or does some sort of. Because the whole thing was original stories were a lot more mystery involved and a lot more action adventure and mystery involved in this. There wasn't really. This is basically like, like the Rocketeer versus the Nazis in this movie.
[00:46:00] Speaker B: And there were Rocketeer comics. And I now am inspired to go read the Rocketeer comics.
[00:46:05] Speaker A: They're. Like I said, they're, they're. There's fun, the pulpy and they're in there. But the whole idea is that there's some sort of mystery to be solved in it. And, and here it was just like, I have the rocket back, Nazis are after it, we're going to fight. Which, which probably would sell tickets. I just think that there needs to be some sort of mystery. I think by making the. A new movie where it's some sort of. He's missing and he's been missing.
Or like there was. He had a rocket pack. I'm going to be the first person to rocket around the whole country or the whole world. And he goes missing in the Bermuda Triangle. But then she goes to the house and finds there's a secondary pack or she goes to build one because she's like an MIT engineer and she builds this, you know, like secondary rocket pack and she ends up trying to find him. So she goes to the Bermuda trial.
[00:46:47] Speaker B: You got a pretty solid base of a plot written here.
[00:46:49] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think it would be doable. And again, because there's the comics, I
[00:46:53] Speaker B: think they're going to produce it. We've already written half of it.
[00:46:56] Speaker A: There's a, there's a comic, there's a comic following. They're not making comics. If they're not, people aren't buying them. Well, we know that.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: Oh, we sell, you know, we don't sell a ton of Rocketeer books, but we always sell out of the Rocketeer.
[00:47:08] Speaker A: And so I feel like there is a built in audience and maybe it's a straight to Disney plus 10 episode series, but I think that it's, I
[00:47:16] Speaker B: think it's worth it over a movie almost. I feel like it gives you a chance to develop characters more, develop plot more. You know, imagine that final episode of the first episode of her lip riding the floorboards up. And there's the back and there's the
[00:47:29] Speaker A: helmet like it's, it's, it's, it's. There's enough as an anti superhero, but it's like a superhero edge of superhero.
[00:47:37] Speaker B: Right?
[00:47:38] Speaker A: It's not like superpowers. It's physically a suit again. And they're not trying to save New York from, from the end of the world. They're just, she's just small.
It's the Daredevil. It's the, it's the Luke Cage. It's the, it's the street level style story. But even if it's, even if like I said story.
They're trying to save the world from Nazis but they don't go anywhere further than where they are. And that's what's cool about this movie is that, that there. And it was like I said, it's a fun movie to watch. There are slow moments. But it's again, as a child, as a younger adolescent. This is not a movie made for people in their 40s.
[00:48:14] Speaker B: It was not targeted for that. But you can enjoy a better job as a parent. I think you could sit there and probably enjoy watching it with your kid back in 1990.
But I feel like they missed out on not including enough to get more audience than just that adventure seeking kid.
Like, well, you're right. It's overall fun ride.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: Do we pause right now? Because they just got an alert saying the trailer for Avengers Doomsday just dropped live reaction at the end of the episode. You have to stay tuned.
But no talk about good movie versus bad movie. I'm pretty sure Doomsday is gonna be better than this. But what's.
[00:48:58] Speaker B: But I, you know, who knows? Lately it's hard to tell.
[00:49:02] Speaker A: I'm also thinking myself like all these, like trying to make money on movies and making the most money possible and so on and so forth. It's still to Disney's thought process to put in like 500 highly paid actors into a movie. I just, I just like yeah, I
[00:49:17] Speaker B: recognize it was funny watching this because I recognize so many actors that. But some of them like I went back and looked and I never watched the stuff they were in really. But they were just super recognizable. Like they obviously were around a lot in that era.
[00:49:30] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Oh, 100. Like this is like, like. And it's all more along the lines of now they were watching this in 2026. Those people went on to do things. Unless probably that they were in things in the 90s. Do you, I mean like because the guy that the Howard Hughes Garrett character is in.
What's the stupid show that was on the island, on J.J. abrams, lost, and. And so, like, there's a couple other characters. You see them in something later on. But in the 90s, they may have been in a couple things, but you recognize them because you saw those movies later on. Yeah, Jennifer Connelly, like, she was in some stuff back then, but, like, she didn't become really anything until later on. Like, she was. She was in movies. She's young. It's so funny watching her in this movie. I'm like, like, oh, my God, she is young in this movie. Like, it's like. So Nova wanted to start watching. We're watching the Star wars movies, right? Nova watched 4, 5, and 6, and he loved him. And Taylor said, what should we watch next time? Stupidly. Should have gone to seven. Only because the story continues. Like, you mean, like, so that he could actually see, like, characters that you've seen. Like, you know, chewbacca's there and R2D. Like, all those. Like, you see these people and they're just older now. I'm trying to explain to him, you see this dude? This is Luke Skywalker's dad who ends up being Stardart. And I try to explain this. However, dude, Natalie Portman is young as hell in this movie.
I'm like, look at this. Like, watching Natalie Portman movies now, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what she looks like. And then I look at her. She was 16 years old
[00:51:01] Speaker B: with a, like, what? Like a seven. Six. Seven year old dude.
[00:51:04] Speaker A: That's the other part about Taylor goes, wait, what? That is the. She goes, I remember this. She remembers the story, but she's like, wait a second. And I go, yeah, she has to be playing younger than she actually is. Like, she's 60 in the movie, but she has to be playing, like, 13, 14, right? Like, she has to be playing young.
[00:51:18] Speaker B: I feel like they sort of sexualize the character some, right? They do.
[00:51:22] Speaker A: They do. Which is. He also makes this even weirder. Luke Lucas, what's his name? George Lucas, also knew that his sister and brother were gonna kiss in the movie. He let that. He wrote that. He wrote that.
We all see it as an accident, but that was purposely done so. So there is that. You can create sexual tension where people who don't know they're related. Like, you can do that. That's fine because you don't know. But to actually have them kiss when you know in the background that they're related is just weird. It just seems like he's living out fantasies that have his own mind on screen. And, and that's what I read. That's what I thought about when I saw this movie again. I'm like, episode one. I'm like, but he must be what the Anakin in that movie must be 10.
[00:52:01] Speaker B: Yes. He seems so young.
[00:52:03] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:52:03] Speaker B: He does.
[00:52:03] Speaker A: He's short. He's short.
[00:52:04] Speaker B: But I do think he's probably that first movie. First of all, hate Jar Jar Banks. And secondly, Anakin is annoying.
I can't stand that kid.
[00:52:12] Speaker A: He's either 8, 9 or 10. And if she's playing 13, okay, whatever. But they get together when she's like 19 or 18 and he's like 14 or 15. So like, yeah, it is weird. But I was just, it was kind of funny. The laws are different out there telling him about things. And I was like, oh, that's, you know, this is a. Trying to go backwards, trying to explain to the younger kids. And he's just like, okay, it's just not clicking.
[00:52:35] Speaker B: Yeah, trying. Trying to watch it in the actual way it got.
[00:52:38] Speaker A: I should have done that. I should have watched it with one. But he was going to, he was going to Disney World and I was like, he's gonna see Chewbacca, he's gonna see R2. You know, we got to see these characters that he's gonna see there. And so I was like, oh crap, we should start there. But I
[00:52:52] Speaker B: go, sorry, Nova, they never made anymore.
[00:52:54] Speaker A: As a five year old.
You do like Jar Jar Binks and things like that. As a five year old.
It is, that's what it was created. It was created for those characters, those, the next generation of Star wars fans. And, and that's what it was for. But. So I should have started with one and gone on. But he ended up doing four.
Sorry, four, five, six, then, then one and then. Must be weird. So. But the benefit to him is he's probably gonna want to watch 4, 5 and 6 again. So we'll probably end up going back watching 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and then 7, 8, 9. But yeah, he's. He's pumped to watch more of that.
[00:53:25] Speaker B: Nice.
[00:53:26] Speaker A: That's cool.
[00:53:26] Speaker B: That's awesome.
[00:53:27] Speaker A: So this is a movie I can see.
This is a movie I could see watching with him and not being like, I gotta watch this movie. But it's my childhood that I shared Newsies. Newsies was one of my favorite movies growing up. Shared that with him. He loved it. We watched it on repeat. And so seeing something like this, he might see the rocket pack and the stuff like that going, oh, it's amazing.
[00:53:44] Speaker B: Running with his toys flying around the room.
[00:53:46] Speaker A: See, I don't mind this, watching Star Wars. There's laser shots which don't exist. So I'm okay with that right now. But at 5, I'm like, there's a lot of gunfights in this movie too, so maybe a couple more years. But I just think that, you know, respecting weapons is, is more important than, than he has Nerf guns and things like that. But the whole idea is we don't have a problem with guns. It's, it's the respecting to know what they are, not just being a toy. And I think that's a difference. And so we're like, at some point he'll probably watch Rocketeer. But yeah, he wants to watch. He watched Power Rangers once randomly. I don't know why he, which is fine.
But he came home, he's like, can I watch.
He came home, school, could I watch Power Rangers? I'm like, what other five year old? I want to meet this kid's parents. Who other 5 year old is telling you about Power Rangers at school? Because I'm 100 on board with this.
[00:54:29] Speaker B: Somebody else liked it was like, oh, you know what you need to see. Yeah, he did.
[00:54:33] Speaker A: He did watch K Pop Demon Hunters this weekend.
[00:54:35] Speaker B: So.
[00:54:43] Speaker A: It's, it is what it is. But he listened to the soundtrack more than anything. And I don't want the soundtrack. It's just annoying. Annoying to listen to soundtracks from like K pop movies because they're just.
[00:54:51] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:54:52] Speaker A: I don't know. Paul.
So Rocketeer, I give it a two and a half. I'm gonna go right in the middle. Two and a half, not three. I'm gonna give it a three. I'm gonna give it three. I'm going up to half star.
[00:55:07] Speaker B: I'm gonna go three. I'm with you. I think, I think three is fair. I, I was, I'm like right on that. Like, oh, maybe it was three and a half, but it's, it's three.
Like let's, let's call it what it is. And like even, even to say two and a half is fair as well.
[00:55:20] Speaker A: Like I said, it's right in the middle. It's like there's like, there's like there's nothing. This is the kind of book club
[00:55:24] Speaker B: ever watched by far.
[00:55:26] Speaker A: This is the kind of book club book that would probably have a ton of conversation about it. Because the fact, yeah,
[00:55:32] Speaker B: you got people who loved it. You'd have like 20 that like loved it. And the 20 that hated it, and then everyone else that's just in the
[00:55:38] Speaker A: middle because we have a great conversation where it's horrible, and we have a horrible conversation where it's great.
And I think this is one of those ones that would actually be like, an actual good conversation. This kind of.
[00:55:47] Speaker B: I feel like this is one that's interesting because those that love it try to get those that either hate it or mad about it to fall into the love inside. And those that hate it are just, like, they're passionately hating it.
[00:55:58] Speaker A: And so now we're on the lookout. Now I'm like, now I'm gonna look up for. See if Disney owns the rights. I'm guessing still. But it's been. I mean, maybe because they did.
[00:56:05] Speaker B: So I. I was reading that all the way up to 2022 2. I think there was still talks about using the Rocketeer for something. Another launch, another movie, something.
[00:56:18] Speaker A: I'm almost wondering if the animated show was on purpose because of the fact that they were like, the right. You know, like, if you don't make something after a certain time, you have to. Yeah.
Keep it going. So, like, oh, might as well throw an animated series out there, see if it sticks, and then go from there because it'll be easy to do.
[00:56:31] Speaker B: And it's funny that they did sign this up for, like, we're gonna do three movies. This is going to be. This is going to be huge.
[00:56:38] Speaker A: It will just be interesting. If they do end up making us another movie, whether or not they do the two different routes, they can go full reboot because not enough people know about the story. Or do we do a soft reboot where we still create the same illusion to the story, but instead of it being a Nazis and the FBI and the gangsters who leave this thing behind that it's the person who used to have it. Cliff, who leaves it behind for the next generation. And, you know, maybe retro Metro, like, be like, it actually isn't destroyed somehow.
[00:57:05] Speaker B: Or.
[00:57:05] Speaker A: Or the second they finished this movie behind the scenes, they made a new one. That's what you're seeing.
[00:57:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
Pd. PD did actually make another one just in case the Rocketeer ever.
[00:57:17] Speaker A: Well, I also think that's possible. You could do it where Petey makes one and doesn't even tell the Rocketeer that he's doing.
[00:57:22] Speaker B: He doesn't. He doesn't. It's just, you know, in case.
[00:57:25] Speaker A: And it's like, it's not in.
[00:57:27] Speaker B: In case of emergency break glass if the Rocketeer ever needs to come back. And then, you know, Cliff never uses it, but then. Then it comes out and it'd be
[00:57:37] Speaker A: great if it's not Cliff's grandchild, that it's Petey's grandchild.
[00:57:41] Speaker B: There we go. Yeah.
[00:57:41] Speaker A: Actually gets it.
[00:57:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:57:43] Speaker A: Well, Petey's grandchild ends up marrying Cliff's grandchild. And then I'm gonna write my own screenplay. I'm gonna sell this to Disney.
[00:57:54] Speaker B: Probably getting on this thing.
[00:57:56] Speaker A: Maybe it's a comic book, because there is obviously stories that's continued, so there's possibility they could pull from that too. This is not just a thing that. So I'm blurry here all of a sudden.
[00:58:06] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. You got the.
You adjusted yourself.
[00:58:10] Speaker A: Paul's drunk at 9:00 in the morning, but yeah, I think it's great.
It's only mine.
[00:58:19] Speaker B: Coffee cup. Yes.
[00:58:20] Speaker A: You're actually going home. If you were staying at the shop all day, then maybe you'd be drunk already. But, like, you know, if you're gonna go home, we gotta get stuff done today. You can't. You can't be drunk already, Paul.
[00:58:28] Speaker B: I actually have a full day of goofing off. I'm gonna stay here and go play the magic.
[00:58:32] Speaker A: Oh, there you go.
So, Paul, I think we are.
The next thing we're doing here. Let me see here. We gotta talk about it. But we're actually off for a little while here because the summer is like one of those, like, there's a lot of going on and so there's a lot of like, stuff that I gotta squeeze in.
We got a big episode 300 coming up, which is not gonna be talked about yet, but what day is this coming out?
This episode is coming out August 12th.
So I'm recording as this episode is releasing. I'm supposed to record on the following Monday with the guests for 300. So we can't really announce it on this yet because my goal was I'm not going to announce the guests until it's recorded. That's the.
[00:59:12] Speaker B: That's a good. That's a good.
[00:59:13] Speaker A: Once the guest comes out, then I'm gonna put something out there saying that because there's gonna be some stuff rolling up to it. But there's some stuff rolling up to it. Anyway. We're gonna do some, some. Some fun things going up to episode 300. But after episode 300, I think. I mean, it might not be until October. We actually put an episode out.
[00:59:27] Speaker B: But we'll.
[00:59:28] Speaker A: We'll see. We'll see.
But that would be like a horror film. And I think I'm Gonna let you pick the horror film again because you did it like what killer clowns last year, you do that. And then we're also gonna do. As we get closer to Christmas, we're gonna do Nightmare Before Christmas. Because I think it's. It's a fun one. And I think that's one of those ones that's like. Yeah, it's also one of those ones where people go, is it a Christmas film or is it not a Christmas film film? Like that's one of those.
[00:59:49] Speaker B: The question, the last time I went to go watch that movie, I was. I was enjoying it through and I was watching it with the girls when they both disappeared onto something else. And then I never got back to it. I have never actually watched that entire movie all the way through
[01:00:06] Speaker A: because the creation of the actual film is impressive alone. Forget the story, whatever you might. The whole Playmate.
[01:00:12] Speaker B: I almost think the artwork of it's probably more iconic than any of the rest of it.
[01:00:16] Speaker A: And we're obviously going to chat about Tim Burton's Batman at the same time because obviously disconnection there.
But yeah, there's that. And there's also like a two sequels that came out in book form focused around Sally. And there's a what if story from Disney about what a Sally went to Christmas Town instead of Jack.
And so I'm going to be reading all those too. So Albrecht should be able to bring that to the table too, which would be kind of fun. Like, see, like we talked about potential sequels for Rocketeer. Like this is also like there is technically sequels to these stories. They're just not on a film. They're in book form, which is kind of cool. And there's also the comic, the Nightmare Before Christmas. There's comics based on that from Dynamite too, which is kind of cool. So yeah, we'll do that stuff. But yeah, we're hopefully we'll see you soon. But maybe I get to. Maybe there's a fill in episode. Maybe this is some scheduled changes and we do something else. But we got some fun ones. I also want to do things like Men in Black because again, based on a comic book. And so there are some ones that I thought people. Again, Barbed Wire, the Mask.
[01:01:09] Speaker B: Because there's a lot of talk about coming back as a. Is a. A total twist note, not comedy, but horror.
[01:01:14] Speaker A: Yeah. You know, those two movies were once. Because they're talked about coming out in theaters. I thought I was like holding on to like that. The mask and barbed wire. Because they're remaking barbed wire. So that the same thing. I thought, well, maybe we put those out towards the. The release of those movies. So we'll see remaking that.
[01:01:29] Speaker B: But, you know, hey, it's.
[01:01:30] Speaker A: She's coming back for it too. It's just freaking insane. Pamela Anderson is gonna come back for it. But. But those. Again, those are the movies again. People don't. I don't think sometimes click. And there are some obscure ones, like Two Guns with. With Denzel Washington and was it Mark Wahlberg that was actually a comic book at. Boom. That came out years ago. So, like, there are some movies, again, are so not related to the comic book, not the adaptation, but the fact that people don't connect the two.
[01:01:56] Speaker B: They don't see no idea that this was originally a comic book in the first place. Yeah.
[01:02:01] Speaker A: So those are some fun ones I'd like to get to because that's a different kind of a conversation where it's like, well, why did. This is a weird that someone adapted. Adapted this. Like, if no one. Like a comic book, obscure comic book that really no one read is now in the theaters. But then there's the comic books that people read don't have adaptations or at least good ones, and it's just confusing. So.
But in the meantime, you can go to galactic comics and collectibles.com or Galactic Comics and Collectibles at 499 Hammond street in Bangor, Maine. This is my sensual voice. This is my sensual. You should check it out. If you stock. If you talk nice to Garrett, Garrett might hug you. No.
Yeah, and Pokemon and all kinds of stuff. And you bought more comics or no more. Do you buy more comics?
[01:02:36] Speaker B: Oh, no, I'm still buying comics. Kyle yells at me every time. I'm still buying comics.
[01:02:40] Speaker A: Yeah, that's okay.
[01:02:43] Speaker B: We could use some more. There's.
[01:02:45] Speaker A: Oh, I didn't see them in here. I was like, where can you watch Rocketeer? I think you can buy it on Amazon in DVD form, Blu Ray, as well as streaming on Amazon Prime Video. But it's a Disney movie, so it's on Disney plus. So if you have Disney plus, just watch it on Disney plus. It's not. That's an easy. This is an easy. This is a movie that actually got released and a movie that actually is on somewhere. This is not the one we. We watch where it's like very hard to find.
[01:03:04] Speaker B: Unlike some of the other obscure random crap we watch.
[01:03:08] Speaker A: That's like. They're like, no, please don't buy this. And some guy from Germany is selling
[01:03:11] Speaker B: you copy of it.
[01:03:13] Speaker A: They're Selling.
[01:03:14] Speaker B: You know what? Go watch this movie. It's a three. It's. It's.
[01:03:17] Speaker A: I think it's worth watching. I think. But don't. But this is not. Don't go and be like, oh, my God, I'm finding my new favorite movie of all time. It's more of a nostalgic.
[01:03:25] Speaker B: You know, there are people out there. This probably is their favorite movie of all time.
[01:03:28] Speaker A: But see, to me, it's like, it's worth watching. But at the same time, it's almost like, watch the Super Mario Bros. Movie because it's that bad and you just get bad. It is like that. That's the thing. Or there's movies that are way better than this. It's one of those ones where it's like, if you can't figure out what to watch.
[01:03:42] Speaker B: But this year on. Yeah, if you're gonna sit in the background, you need background noise.
[01:03:47] Speaker A: Put the rock tear on now. Put that quote on the front of the poster.
If you got nothing else to do and you want to go to the theaters or watch it in your house, watch the Rocketeer. It's actually not that bad.
[01:03:59] Speaker B: It's kill time.
[01:04:00] Speaker A: You can't decide.
That would be great on, like, Netflix. It's like you've been looking for 20 minutes. If you can't decide, you now have to watch these three movies. One of these three movies, they can't do anything else. It forces you to watch a movie.
[01:04:13] Speaker B: As you keep scrolling, eventually the movie just starts. Wait a minute. What the hell?
[01:04:16] Speaker A: Yeah, in the background, it's like just playing.
[01:04:18] Speaker B: Like, guess what? This is what you're watching.
[01:04:20] Speaker A: You've got to watch the first five minutes of this movie, and after that
[01:04:22] Speaker B: you can pick a different scroll again if you want. Yeah. If not, you're sucked in.
[01:04:26] Speaker A: That's new marketing campaign because the people paying Netflix paid Netflix for this. Like, if it was me and I made a movie, I could pay Netflix a bunch of money to force people to watch my movie.
[01:04:37] Speaker B: Yep.
[01:04:37] Speaker A: That just reminds me of the U2 when YouTube put the movie music on people's iPads. Ipods. Remember that? The album out and they forced everybody.
I don't think anybody will ever force someone to put some sort of media on their thing ever again. Thanks to you too. So.
[01:04:51] Speaker B: Yeah, they should. I was mad.
[01:04:53] Speaker A: Sweet Paul. But till we talk again, I'll be in the shop at some point this week, probably. Hopefully.
[01:04:57] Speaker B: I imagine I'll be here.
[01:04:59] Speaker A: You have bags and boards yet?
[01:05:01] Speaker B: Yes, I do.
[01:05:02] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:05:03] Speaker B: Yes, I do. Okay. Bags and boards are Back in stock here. Galactic Comics for at least the next
[01:05:07] Speaker A: 15, 20 minutes until Wednesday.
So we have to put comics in bags and boards again. But yeah, I appreciate it, Paul. Again, until next time, go watch Rocketeer, people. And for any of the other stuff you want on our stuff, go check the movie reviews that we do. All of them. Because you can watch them all do.
[01:05:23] Speaker B: America, you got time to kill. You got the flu. Go listen to our movie reviews.
[01:05:29] Speaker A: We should do a special event.
[01:05:31] Speaker B: We're also between a 2 and 2.5 and a 3. I think we're. We're all right. We're not bad.
[01:05:35] Speaker A: We're starting. We start relating not to giving stars. We're like, this is a Super Mario Bros.
This is a teenage studio. So you have to go and figure the rating out.
Yes. No, But I think it'd be fun to do an episode where we, like, take the ones we've watched and like, not. And not rank them in the specific. Like, do a couple, like, top five rewatchable ones. Ones that are so stupid or they just, like, kind of recap what we've done so far. Because now tell you right now, we're going into the 300th episode. I'm putting some lists together, and Paul Eaton of Galactic Comics and Collectibles is obviously the most most guest. Most popular guest, as in, like, the most times on here, which is like over 45, I believe now, out of 300.
I think it's somewhere between 45 and 50, because it's hard. When I. When I listed them originally, I did a quick search. When I listed them originally, it was just like movie review as my. On my sheet that I have. And I don't know if you did it or if, like, Josh Moulton did it or if Gibran, you know, like. So I have to go back. Yeah, somewhere between 45 and 50. In that sense, this might be one of them.
Behind there is Adam. Caesar will be on for his fifth time talking about Clown in the Cornfield 4, which comes out.
[01:06:47] Speaker B: You know what I have?
[01:06:48] Speaker A: What?
[01:06:48] Speaker B: I have the Clown in the Cornfield movie poster from our local theater.
They called me and said, hey, would you like to have this? And I said, yes, I would.
[01:06:58] Speaker A: Where's mine? I have the. I have a custom VHS somewhere.
[01:07:02] Speaker B: Oh, nice.
[01:07:04] Speaker A: I don't know where it went. It might be on the shelf next to his things, but. Yeah. And I also had, like, the German and the French editions of his book. So it's just. It's an exception. But.
Yeah. So that's fifth time and then like David Booer and a couple other people have been on four times but you're the number one by far by like tenfold. So put the. Hang that hat up and say, you know, I'm. I'm the.
You are the second co host of this episode.
[01:07:25] Speaker B: Look at me go.
[01:07:26] Speaker A: I'd have you on for every episode. If it was easy to schedule. I'd say that much. If it was like we were both like, cool. We're always doing it. We'd have you on with all the guests and we'll just chat. But like, yeah, but until next time.
[01:07:37] Speaker B: Until then. I hear the door opening at Galactic Comics. Things are happening. People are coming.
[01:07:42] Speaker A: The movie poster for. For Rocketeer. Is he dab. Is he's dabbing? Is that what he's doing?
[01:07:46] Speaker B: Oh, God.
[01:07:47] Speaker A: Back in the early 90s, that's where it started.
[01:07:48] Speaker B: It's only the kids knew they were rocketeering. That's what they're.
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