Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesandtights.com, i'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. This episode is once again brought to you by our friends over at Galactic Comics and collectibles. At GalacticComicsandCollectibles.com we welcome back Adam Caesar, author of the Clown in the Cornfield series, the Bram Stoker award winning Clown in the Cornfield series, to discuss the fourth edition to that series, Clown in the Cornfield 4, Lights, Camera, Friendo, as well as a couple of backlist releasing books coming out this fall and touching on his new release coming out in January 2027. But Adam is here to discuss all those things and so much more.
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Welcome to the podcast. Adam. How are you today?
[00:01:08] Speaker B: Hey, good, good. How are you, Justin?
[00:01:10] Speaker A: I'm doing wonderful.
[00:01:11] Speaker B: Yeah. So long time, long time guest. I feel like I've been on for, for every.
[00:01:16] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:01:17] Speaker B: I think, I think my fourth appearance.
[00:01:19] Speaker A: Yeah, this is actually, I think this is actually your fifth appearance because I
[00:01:21] Speaker B: think we did a second Dead Mall.
[00:01:23] Speaker A: Yeah, so we did Dead Mall. We did clowns, we did the movies. We talked about. Oh, kind of funny how that works. And I actually did some as we're approaching 300 episodes, I'm doing these small, like going to post a couple things on the website about like different topics like you know, most frequent guests, things like that. And you're actually with this episode, you are now the most frequent guest on the podcast. Five times.
A couple people are, there's about three or four people. Four, yes. Kraus has been on it four times.
David Booer has actually been on it four times. I say the most frequent guests, my buddy Paul who owns Galactic Comics has been on like 45 or 50 times.
[00:01:58] Speaker B: That's because he's like a co host position almost.
[00:02:01] Speaker A: Yeah, he, he does movie reviews and things like that with us. So we do the once a year roundup of comics and things like that. We did a mid year thing this year too.
[00:02:10] Speaker B: So yeah, he's been, he's not, he's honorary.
[00:02:12] Speaker A: He's like a little asterisk next to his name. And it's not really big yet, but. But yeah, it's the. What I just talked about. Like LeBron just signed with, with, I would say your Sixers. I don't know if you're a basketball fan at all, but like, I mean, you're right there.
[00:02:24] Speaker B: No, they're my Sixers. I'm alert.
[00:02:27] Speaker A: But yeah, it was like his, his championship in the, in the bubble was a little asterisk next to that for the Lakers. Like, okay, he won it, but it was Covid. But I'm like, it's such a championship. Take it.
Yeah, so I'll let my buddy Paul take the. Take his own crown and wear his own crown. He's the number one guest. But then there's. There's Adam Caesar behind.
I mean, it's crazy because you're still talking clown on the cornfield.
[00:02:49] Speaker B: That's, that's, that's a crazy thing.
[00:02:52] Speaker A: But like, yeah, we've been down here so many times.
[00:02:54] Speaker B: Yeah. I try not to get too, like, you know, up my own butt about it. Like, but I, I am. Like, it's, it's amazing that like six years ago, as we're recording the six years ago, it was, it was Covid and it was like, oh, you know, this book is. This is my first, you know, hardcover original. First, you know, first YA book, first for a lot of things. First book. Like, that's going to be a big, you know, in, in every bookstore in the country. And then the, you know, you have two, two years of lead into that and knowing it's coming out and then all bookstores are shut down. So I kind of was just like, oh, well, it was nice. Well, it was nice while it lasted. It's the, you know, Banshees of Intersharen thing of like, of like, oh, there goes that dream. You know, like, like I remember having that thought and like recording podcasts with, with fine folks like you and, and, and really trying to get out there and talk about the book.
But then last night I was tagged in.
I get tagged. I get tagged quite frequently in Rustin Cole's kissing scene being remixed on Tick Tock. Like, there's like fan cams of it. And like the fan cam I got tagged in last night had like, had like, it probably has 2 million views at this point. It was like, it was 1 6, but it was only. It had only been up for two days. So I'm just like, this is pretty wild. That, like a book that I was six years ago, I was pretty sure I was like, you know, already throwing dirt on the casket.
Yeah, that, that, that. I'm still doing books. Still doing. Yeah. Still doing podcasts. Yeah. I never.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: In a movie.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Or in a movie and. Yeah. And lots of other stuff. We were just talking about, like, action, action figures and spirit, Halloween and all that. You know, it's. It's wild. It's. It's a really. I'm very grateful. Yeah. And I'm very grateful for. It's. It's, you know, it's. It's. It's your win, too, because.
[00:04:36] Speaker A: Because you.
[00:04:37] Speaker B: You were an early adopter. You. You helped me. Like, you're one of the few podcasts that would have beyond. So, like, I really appreciate you and thank you so much.
[00:04:45] Speaker A: A stack of books over. There's an author from Maine called Paul Dwaran who writes these, like, mystery detective novels about a game warden, and he's on book 17, and every time he comes out with a new book, I'm
[00:04:55] Speaker B: always like, thank God.
[00:04:56] Speaker A: Because, like, I don't like whether it's good, bad, or ugly. I'm like, I get to live in this universe for a little bit longer. And it's the same thing every time I crack open a clown on the cornfield. I'm like, I don't like whether the movie was a great adaptation when I went to see it, but I got in there, I was like, it was going to be amazing or not. I got to see Friendo on screen, and that was like, to me, it was amazing. It didn't matter how well it was done or how unwell it was done or whatever. It was amazing. I loved it and I. Luckily, luckily
[00:05:20] Speaker B: it was well done.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: Yeah, we have the VHS copy over here. Luckily.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: Luckily for us, we got Eli Craig and he did exactly. His crew did a great job. Yeah. But, yeah, it's that idea of like. Of like any of these things could have taken a bad bounce at any one point and. And I'd be, you know, not. Not here talking about this at least. I mean, that's the thing. I'm.
[00:05:40] Speaker A: I'm
[00:05:43] Speaker B: bullheaded enough that I'd. I'd be still writing books and still putting out books, but who knows what it would have looked like if. If not for shows like you and people picking up the first book and reading the first book. So I'm very grateful and very.
[00:05:55] Speaker A: Well, I mean, you've also. I've always talked about. We just joked about how you're the fifth. You know, fifth is the fifth episode you've been on, and so on and so forth that, that Daniel Krause has been on four times, which is, you know, great guest, great friend. He's amazing. Won a Pizer Award. She's like, for horror. This is amazing. But he's always said, like, one of the reasons why he writes so many different genres and so many different stories is he likes living in all these different places. But what you've been able to do with. With Clown in the Cornfield, and this is what my belief is, is that at least it's not just like a linear thing, it's just like the next story. Like we talked about Paul Dwarren's books, he tells the next detective story in Maine. Like, it's just another situation he puts himself in and he gets himself out of, which is great. And he does a great job with it. And a lot of people like that. But what you've done with Clown is like, each book is a friendo story, but it's also a different story. And that, I mean, that is epitome.
[00:06:40] Speaker B: That's really. That's really been the. Like, that's been the. That was kind of my pitch for two and these. Luckily, I think what you're hitting on is something that is. Is a little bit about the uniqueness of, like, not to get too in the weeds of publishing, but, like, how it was sold. Like, I think the idea that. That the first Clown of Cornfield was sold as a standalone book actually helps what you're talking about. It's this idea that every time out, I have to basically go pitch Harper, like, this is what we should do. And then, like, convince them that, like, you know, three. You know, three is my. Is my. My baby, my. My personal favorite thing. But it is the one that, like, gets really weird and throws a lot of people.
So, like, I even that I had to like, sing for my supper and be like, no, believe me, this is what I want to do. Like, so it's like each time I want to do something very different. And I think what four does, and I think. I think four is going to be one of those have your cake and eat it moments for a lot of people who've been reading the series. And I, I don't like the idea of fan service and I don't like the idea of like, of like, oh, let me read Reddit and like, let me read like, Goodreads reviews and like, tailor this to what people want.
I. I'm so anti that as a, like, as someone who consumes media, as someone who enjoys, you know, horror books, and horror films, like, I'm. That's always been aesthetically anathema to me. Like, I don't like that. I really don't like the movie by committee. I don't like the book by book by fandom, for the fans, by the fans. Like, I don't. I love my readers. I love the people who have stuck with it this long. But I never. I think that's almost like the agreement between me and my readers is like, look, please trust me on this. I know it's going to get a little hairy, but I think four is almost the closest thing to like, just because of how it's structured. Like the, the premise. We're all over the map here because you've already read the book, but like, just to introduce for people, Cloud of Cornfield four. Lights, camera, friend. Let me hold up my beautiful finished copies.
Is. Is on. On the surface, like the, The. The meta one. It's on the surface. It's the one that's like the, the comparison I've seen is Scream 3.
It's funny because I'm, I'm.
It's funny because I, I saw Scream 3 when it came out. I was either in middle school or high school.
Never thought about it again.
I know that. I know that Leo Shriver's in it. Like, and I like, that's. That's literally what I remember about the film.
So there isn't like that. Don't get too worried. If you read the, if you read the description, you're like, ah, it's just Scream 3. Don't worry, I don't remember anything about Scream 3. So it's not that.
But like, it is this idea of the characters are, we're back in Kettle Springs where, you know, slight spoiler to say for clown of corporeal 3. If you haven't read it, you spend 90% of the book, 95% of the book not in Kettle Springs or in like a fake Kettle Springs.
And this book is going back to this town that, you know, three of the four books have taken place in. Checking in because there's been a good bit of time passing with all our surviving characters and all the characters that people were missing from Clown Clown 3.
And they're all like, the circus is coming to town. In a way. The move. The.
A movie is being made about like a.
A narrative film is being about being made about the real events of the first book, which sounds very like. Like it's gonna get very. Like we're stuck in a slasher movie. Like, I, you Know, like, I, which is that is, is so anti what the, like, ethos of these books is. So it's not that, like, it sounds like it's going to end up being that, but then the, the book uses like, the background of filmmaking and truth in storytelling and myth making and all these different big ideas about, like, you know, what's truth and what's fact and what's fiction, which is, it's been an underlying theme in the books, you know, for, for since the beginning, but hopefully a new version of that and hopefully with this whole other flavor that I don't want to talk about, because I know this is going to come out when people haven't read the book yet.
I don't want to talk about too much. But there is this secret flavor. Don't worry. There's a secret flavor in Clown four that is going to feel very different and very novel and very, like you said, like, it's like, I, I, I'm very much my whole goal. I'm not going to write one of these books if I can't do something where someone goes, well, that was different from, from the last one, you know, that was different from the rest of the series, like, and that's very much what I want to do. So on the surface, it seems like this is going to be the, the fan service you want, and in a way it is. You're getting characters you like and recognize and you want to see again, and you're getting to see them do fun, you know, stuff that you like seeing them do in, in situations because they're older now. Like, they're, you know, these characters are aging out of being YA characters, which is what, what Cloud 4 is about in a lot of ways, for a lot of these characters, especially Cole and Rust, and they're basically like, being like, what do I do now? Which is what I feel like every person in their early 20s kind of deals with is like, what? Well, what now? I have, like, gone with the structure that I had and what am I going to do with my life? And it seems like it's a really pressing question when you're 22, but then when you're 30, you're still having that same question in a lot of, in a lot of cases. So it's like, I don't know. I wanted, I want to tell teenagers that it's okay with this book, that, yes, it is okay.
[00:12:04] Speaker A: It's, yeah, I said Scream 3, but like, not like, any idea that Scream 3 is this meta slasher. Like, that's where that connection is there. I don't think that there's any more of a. Hey, they make a movie in Scream 3 about the events of stream one. So like, okay, great. That's basically what this is. But in a sense that it's not that as well as, like, Wes Craven's New Nightmare. Like, there's, that there's.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I think that's a bigger influence. Honestly, I think that's a lot bigger influence than, than Scream 3. But also, like, I've, I've done. I've done whole. It's funny because if, if people are in their podcast app right now and they were like, wow, this guy talks a lot. If you want to hear me talk for an hour and a half about Wes Craven's New Nightmare, I was a podcast. I was a podcast guest and it was like. That was what we talked about. It was like the, it was like. It was like a rundown of like, the Nightmare on Elm street movies. And the, the person had asked me pick one and I was like, oh, I know I'm doing New Nightmare. So, like, yeah, yeah, so that's. That's very. Yeah. Of. Of the Wes Craven films. That's definitely the. More that. And like stuff like Man Bites Dog and, and, and, and, and, And Robert Altman's the Player, which is a, you know, feels like for a YA book, doesn't feel like a.
Should be a source of inspiration, but definitely is.
Yeah. So I think there's a lot of. And then there's a whole other sub genre, Westerns that is like a very big influence on the book, which is super fun.
[00:13:25] Speaker A: It's cool because it's something different. But also, like, it also fits perfectly into those people who maybe have stumbled upon Clown in the Cornfield because of the film and like, then went and bought the books or read the audio, listen to the audiobooks or whatever it may be, and caught up to the point where now they're getting ready to do this, that the film being out helps. The fact that this, it just, it just encompasses this whole thing too. Because it's like now you can almost picture, like, I'm also thinking myself, anybody who started that movie are probably happy this book came out after because of the fact that if they read this, there might be some PTSD going into filming the movie.
[00:13:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Like, I don't want to be on a set. Like, yeah, that's a good point. And I mean, I talk about it in the afterword where it's like, you really can't, like, you kind of can't get away from it. And this is meta fiction in the, like, people talk about meta, like, where it's like breaking the fourth wall, but this is meta in the. In the sense of, like, not for the characters, but it's meta for the author. Like, it's, It's. It's very much like it's metafiction, like, in almost a different sense where it's like, it's not auto fiction, but, like, there's, there's. There's stuff in here that is like, very, very much pulled from real life. And then there's a bunch of stuff that's just crazy make them ups that hopefully I'm playing enough of a shell game with you that you're not going to be able to tell what the real stuff is and what the crazy make them ups are. Because I want this, like, verisimilitude across the whole thing where, like, oh, it all seems kind of. Kind of plausible. I wonder what parts are from. Taken from real life. And I'll never really tell you. I'll just lay in, you know, lay in stuff.
[00:14:45] Speaker A: So what do you say? So I remember you're fighting with. When. When. When Church of Friendo came out, Clown of the Cornfield three, We're fighting the world saying, this is not a trilogy. Stop calling it a trilogy.
[00:14:56] Speaker B: Well, now I said it on your podcast. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:14:58] Speaker A: The marketing for this one said it's saga. It's now a saga.
[00:15:01] Speaker B: Right.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: According to the marketing.
[00:15:02] Speaker B: Yeah. I love that.
Funny.
[00:15:03] Speaker A: That's.
[00:15:03] Speaker B: It's. That's not my invention. That was Harper. Harper's marketing department used. Chose the word saga. And I was like, perfect. Saga has no. No end. That's. That's a perfect. That's a perfect word. And I was like, we probably should have been using saga when we were promoting book three, because I. Yeah.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: What do you say to those people who are like now, like, they're people. Do you think people are, like, surprised and happy that they're the fourth one? Are they like, I hope.
[00:15:27] Speaker B: I hope they are. That's the thing. I.
3 and 4 are weird in that. In that when I was promoting three, I knew that I. Like, I.
We talked about how these are weird in that they weren't sold. You know, the first one wasn't sold as a series of stolen standalone. Second one was sold as a single book contract, but 3 and 4 were actually sold together. So, like, I. It's a weird thing where I. I couldn't. I wasn't allowed to say, but I Did know I, it wasn't like a, like I want to write for. It was like, I know for sure I'm writing for. Which is hopefully in retrospect, you know, it's been two years now, but hopefully, hopefully in retrospect, everyone who was, you know, a little upset that like, certain characters were in three, I knew that I was doing that. And it's, it's not like I, it's not like a, you know, complete George R.R. martin, like, dance of Dragons thing where I'm like, you know, they should be. They're really one book. But I like, you know, split these perspective chapters. They're their own book. They're meant to stand alone as their own. As their own, you know, novels. I really want them to be, as they're not standalone, but I want them to feel like, similar to movies. It's like, it's like a movie has a beginning, middle and end. And you know, you go and see it and it should, it should entertain you whether or not you're like a complete lorehead for that series.
[00:16:41] Speaker A: Similar.
[00:16:41] Speaker B: But I did want a little bit of that, like, you know, Back to the Future 2, Back to the Future 3 vibes of like, I know, I'm like, you know, they're conceptualized at the same time, even if they're written at different times and even if they're coming out two years apart.
I knew that it was coming out, so I really wanted them to feel that way in a, in a certain way.
And I think people, people will be happy about that. There is just this idea of like, you books are so different from any other media in that, in that most people's relationship with a book, like, is so, it's so singular because it begins at the bookstore when they see it and they grab it and, and then they bring it home and then they finish it and then, you know, they may not ever talk to anyone about it. Like, it may just be like, it may just exist in this kind of. They're not mass media, so they're not like water cooler things where I hope there's enough, I hope I'm loud enough and annoying enough on the Internet that there aren't so many people who are fans of the series that literally saw that there were three books on the shelf saw and like, they're used to seeing, you know, series get published pretty close together usually because they're, you know, like, so like they're, they're like, oh, I see three. It's a slasher, it's a trilogy, it's Over, Like, I don't. I. I don't want four to come as that much as a surprise, because I knew this whole time I was gonna do four. Right. You know? Yeah. What's interesting is that, is that if there is a five, that'll be the one that's kind of an outlier. That'll be the one that's, like, a little. A little different. But these four should be. Should be consumed together, you know, like,
[00:18:16] Speaker A: yeah, Friendo goes to space. I mean, come on.
[00:18:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I know.
[00:18:19] Speaker A: Are you waiting till 10 for that one? Are you waiting for 10?
[00:18:22] Speaker B: Made it. Made it. So it's like space and SpaceX and stuff like that. It's like, it's, like, not fun anymore. It's like two. It's like two. It'S like, it'S like two real world. Like, that was.
[00:18:29] Speaker A: So Friendo goes underwater. Let's go the opposite.
[00:18:33] Speaker B: You'll see. You'll see where Friendo goes if Friendo goes anywhere. But. Yeah, but it's funny because, like, even
[00:18:38] Speaker A: when you're promoting, you never came out and were like, there's gonna be a fourth, but you're like, stop calling it a trilogy. Which.
[00:18:43] Speaker B: Yeah, that's as much as. I was kind of comfortable, so sitting
[00:18:46] Speaker A: there going, well, that's like. That's better than saying, no, there's not a fourth one.
[00:18:49] Speaker B: Like, it's like, I wasn't, like, going on podcasts and being, you know, like, in two years from now, in August, there's gonna be a fourth one. But I was just like, that idea of. Of. Of trilogy, or, like I said, got a lot of the final book in the Cloud of the Cornfield series. And I'm like. I'm like, especially when you, like, read the end, and, like, there's like, an epilogue that's like, basically like a big blinking neon sign.
[00:19:10] Speaker A: Hey, there's gotta be more.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: As far as we. It's as. As close as I got to like, being, like, up next on Clown of the Cornfield, like, that epilogue is. Exists to try to dissuade you from the fact that it's the final book. Like, I feel like the last.
[00:19:22] Speaker A: Like, whatever. If you. If you. Like I said, if you get a chance ever to do five, and that's the end, like, in your mind, like, I don't want to do this anymore. I can encapsulate it at the end. You should say, yes, for real. This is it.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: We're done.
I will never, ever do that.
[00:19:34] Speaker A: I've.
[00:19:34] Speaker B: I've learned from my cinematic forefathers you don't put final in the title. You don't put. Yeah, yeah, you.
[00:19:41] Speaker A: Well, how many, how many people out there like have the box set of Star wars or the box set of Indiana Jones or whatever it may be, and it's like the box set with two other movies after it because they end up.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:19:51] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:52] Speaker B: I love those like complete, you know, things. It's like, well, complete for now. Yeah.
[00:19:57] Speaker A: Well, that's this cool to me. It was like, I, I, I love living in this and I also will get into it a little bit, but like, I love that we get more from YouTube with Dead Mall. We get, you know, you get new stuff for video night again, we'll get into that in a second where we're talking clown here. But like, it' just this either though, like to you, you remind. You get to flex your muscles in other places too, which is pretty cool. Like you did the toxic toxic vendor novelization, things like that. So like, to me it, it helps with that two years because you have something at least in between you didn't exactly.
[00:20:22] Speaker B: I do put things in between and it's like Toxi was in between these books, Influencers in between these books. You know, I like being able to, to finish a manuscript that's not Clown of the Cornfield. And I think it, I think it helps, I think it helps the Clown of the Cornfield books quite quite honestly. And I, and I, and I think it's, I think it's, it's interesting and it's, it is, it's a good problem to have, but it is constantly like, it's funny. I'll still meet people that are like, oh, the cloud of the court. You know, I read, you know, I read your book and they mean it like, like singular. And then I, and then I'll have to be like, well, there's a bunch of sequels that book. And they're like, oh, or, or, or, or they're like, oh, do you write anything other than the Client of Corfield books? And like a weird kind of like, like, give it up, man. And I'm like, I got, I got like, I got like 11, 12 other full novels, like published. Like, what are you talking about? Like, it's weird to me because I'm living in my own life. But you have to remember to them if they go to Barnes and Noble and they go to that one section, you know, because even Influencer is, is in like the general YA fiction section. Like if you don't, if you don't look for it or you don't, I don't know. I guess, I guess you don't read the COVID copy, which, you know, lists all the other books too. It's like, I guess to me it's, to them it's like, oh, you just do this one thing and it's like, I think I would be fine with that because I'm very proud of these books. But it is that idea of like, well, breaking my ass. We're writing these other books and like, you know, not for nothing, but the, you know, influencer got nominated for the International Thriller Writers Award.
Toxie just won the Scribe Award, which is the, the award for the tie in fiction and licensed fiction. Won the best adapted novel. So like, which is, I'm very, very proud of. But I'm kind of like, I got to point to that stuff and be like, look, I'm not, I'm not whistling Dixie here. I'm trying to like, I'm trying to make all these books really good.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: Well, to me it's the same thing. You find a person you like if you like people like Crown Cornfield so much and you're waiting to read the next one. Like you look for other things from that author, in my opinion. And they're all different, but they all have their.
Your feel to them.
[00:22:22] Speaker B: I think it's harder to find them though. That's the thing. I think it's. I think, I think you go to. If you're for a lot of consumers, you're going Target or you're going to a Barnes and Noble or you go into a books a million and they're not there and it's, they require a little bit more digging, which is luckily, you know, this is, that's what this whole kind of, you know, initiative was about to get these backlist books out because Union Square is putting these out. They're, you know, they're a Hachet subsidiary, one of the big five. Like these are going to be in your, in your local bookstore. These are going to be wherever books are sold, which is going to be amazing. It is going to feel like people are going to feel like this, this guy's like, what's he doing? Like, is he doping? Like, how is he writing this many books?
12 year old books? Like, these are, you know, these are, you know, like these are, these are old, old titles that, that luckily I got to go back and it's a really neat opportunity that I didn't think I would ever get even. My agent was like, because I, I tried this once before. I tried this before the Clown of the Cornfield movie came out, I tried to sell my back. I tried to just sell Video Night to a publisher and it got pretty close. And, and then, and then afterwards he kind of gave me like, like an anti pep talk and was like, well that's no one buys backlist books. That's really like. And I was like, no, I know we can do it. And then after the Cloud of the Cornfield movie, you know, we made a deal for this video night another book to be announced and, and then separately, Random House, Penguin Random House is putting out Mercy House for the first time, which never had a. Has only been an ebook. It's gonna have this beautiful new Matt Ryan Tobin cover.
It's very, it's a very gross book. And then I was able to.
Not a lot of authors get the ability to kind of go back and like I didn't completely George Lucas them, but I like, you know, I, I'm like these are 15 year old, 12 year old, 10 year old books, 11 year old books. In Mercyhouse's case, I wanted to reread them and I wanted to re experience them. And that in doing that I'm like, let me fix this up.
[00:24:16] Speaker A: Like you're able to polish it. You've grown as a writer. Like it's obviously you don't want to change it completely because you're. Those who have read it before want to experience a very similar feeling. But you want to be able to say I would have structured this a little bit differently or changed this slight, slight bit.
[00:24:30] Speaker B: I, I agree. I, I think these are the good, good way of putting these is, you know, as I'm surrounded by thousands of movies, these are like the, this is the 4k HD, you know, ultra HD Dolby vision remaster of zero lies remaining similar to all the other ones. The one that changed the most is actually is Mercy House. I don't think there's, I don't think there's a sentence in Mercy House. It's funny because it's the most recent book of, of those and it was the one that was out with a big publisher.
So you would imagine like oh, that must be like the cleanest one or whatever. That's the one that like there's probably. There's not a paragraph that in that book that hasn't at least had something, you know, touched up in it. And some of it's like completely new. So that's that really. That one feels like zero lives remaining. Video Night. Are these like archival, you know, new covers, News video Night has a new introduction by Stephen Graham Jones, which I know you got to read a little early. And that, that introduction is like, beautiful. It's like poetry. I'm like, it's crazy that I have this beautiful piece, beautiful piece of writing in front of Video Night. Is this really funny? To me, they're all fun.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: Like, they're, they're not like you're, you're. You're not historical fiction here.
[00:25:39] Speaker B: Like, this is like, oh, yeah, this
[00:25:41] Speaker A: is like, they're fun novels. Yeah, they're fine experience. So like. And it's also nostalgia. You have this, this love for, for. For 80s 90s horror and experiencing. And like, I said Video Night and Zero Laughter Morning and both were like, I was born in 86, so I mean, I'm an 80s 90s kid. And it's like going to the arcades and doing these things was like, it's a, it's an experience. Like, you didn't just go to the arcades to play games. Like, I went to watch my friends.
[00:26:10] Speaker B: It's like, yeah, it's a third space, you know.
[00:26:12] Speaker A: Yes, it was a place. It was our bar. It's like, it's like the kids bar, where the adults go to the bar and have beers and sit at the bar and drink and talk about things. We would go to the arcades and play these games. And I think that alone and then have it be like just mayhem. Is, is. Is also amazing in that I think
[00:26:28] Speaker B: it's funny because they came out very. They came out pretty far from each other, like within my bibliography. But I think. I think Union Square was exactly right publishing them together. Like, this comes out at the beginning of September. Video Night comes in at the end. I think they're, they're interesting.
They're kind of in conversation with each other a little bit because this is, you know, this is modern, even though it's 2014, which is now, you know, 12 years ago. But like, it's, it's, it's. It's a, it's a story set in modern day. Or at least when it was written, it was set in modern day and, And Video Night's not. And I think they're both dealing with the idea of like, both the, the pleasures and the peril of nostalgia in, in an interesting way. I think they make, they make, you know, make your book club read. Read them both together. And I think, you know, I think you have.
[00:27:12] Speaker A: Well, they're also not super long, so it's not like.
[00:27:14] Speaker B: No. Yeah, well, this one is. This one. This one you can read and, you know, it's. I think Chelsea Rebecca's AudioBook is like three hours for this. And then Video Night is a video. Like it's a full length novel. So it's longer than some of the Clown of Cornfield books. But yeah, they're still quick reads. They're still.
[00:27:28] Speaker A: They're starting.
They're easy. They're easy reads. And they're fun. Like, they're more fun than there are. Like, it's not like you have to like, invest a lot of, like a mental compass. It's just fun reading too. Yeah.
[00:27:38] Speaker B: Which is what I want. I want these books to feel. I want all of them to feel, like, enjoyable.
[00:27:43] Speaker A: Not just like work, you know, not work.
[00:27:45] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. It's not just a YA thing for, you know, for clinic. Well, you're.
[00:27:49] Speaker A: You're to the point where it's so funny because I understand YA is.
It's dealing with young adult topics. And so that's why it goes into a lot. But it's also.
They have to hit a ceiling. There's a ceiling where you can hit with certain level of things because obviously the younger people are reading these things. Right.
[00:28:03] Speaker B: But you're like, you're like. It's so funny.
[00:28:06] Speaker A: It's one of the things I always talk about Adam Caesar's books. And it's like, you were at that ceiling. Like, you were like tiptoeing over that ceiling with most of your stuff, which is great. Including the introduction. The first, what, like, few pages of Influencer, which I remember talking this as you're. Your wife won't read any. She rereads it. She reads the. After that, she just skips that whole part because it's very, very intense. And it's like one of those things that you're like, okay. But like, that's. It deals with more young adult topics and that's why they're in that category. And I hate when the people are like, I don't want to read this because it's young adult.
[00:28:35] Speaker B: It's like, no, dude, it's fine. You know what? Like, that's also like, that person's probably not fun at parties anyway. So like, I like. And that's. That's really like the. I like the little niche I've built for myself where, you know, I'll have, I'll have to, you know, when I'm hand selling these books, when I'm at conventions or when I'm at, you know, I was just did the. I just did blob fest here in Phoenixville, which is an outdoor street fair in celebration of the Blob. Because the, the Colonial theater is where the Blob ate that theater.
So like I, I just, it was my first time being a guest there and there was, there's a few interactions where it was, you know, younger people coming up with their parents and I had to kind of be honest. I had to just be like, well your kid's 10. Like this may not be like this probably isn't you know, for them, but like I know I was reading stuff like this when I was 10, but it definitely isn't appropriate for them.
You know, I think the, the I, what I was teaching, I was teaching 11, 12th grade. It's for, it's. That's the age range I'm most familiar with as, as for. For teenagers and what their likes and dislikes are and that's what the books, who the books are for and which is. Which means that you can go, you know, pretty much, you know, the, the R rated Clara Corfield movie significantly has a significantly lower body count and has significantly less gore than the books have. So like, and people were surprised who hadn't read the books were like aren't these YA books? Why is this an R rated movie? And like hold my beer.
Yeah, yeah. So like.
And it's. We'll see. I'm. I'm pushing it in a new direction for the next YA book. Like the next. It's funny because I have to compartmentalize in my head like talking about clown of Cornfield 4.
Very, very excited. You know, the culmination of a year and a half worth of work.
I want people to enjoy it, but I also is like it's. When you're writing things take so long and publishing takes so long. I mean it's part of my head is in, is in Bloodsick mode which is in January, early January.
By the time this comes out, the, the pre orders will probably be up. The, the COVID will have, will have been debuted.
But it's, it's a, it's a high school vampire novel which people will hear and be like okay, high school vampire novel. We know what those look like.
And it's very like, like literally I was like let's you know the covers by Matt Ryan Tobin, my, my, my most constant creative partner.
And basically with the COVID it was like well the book's called Bloodsick. Let's make it read in such a way that it's basically a warning to if you promise not to show it, if you promise not to show it online. I could show you the COVID Promise not to show it.
Don't show.
[00:31:20] Speaker A: Let's do it. Let's do it after.
[00:31:21] Speaker B: I'll show it. But it's, it's pretty bloody and it's pretty sick. And the book itself is that. And it's basically the concept is like, what if, you know, vampirism is taking over school? It's like kind of a Salem's Lot construction or a 30 days of night construction of, like, you know, one ancient vampire causing, like, basically a colony collapse of a small town.
And, and we've seen that kind of story before, but this is, this is centered around a part. He basically, the vampire digs himself up from a hole in the ground after 300 years, and he's. The first house he sees is like the high school party house where everyone goes and gets drunk and, and hooks up and stuff like that. So this, this, this idea of vampirism basically paralleling, like, teen urges, like, any kind of, any, any urges in any direction. The idea of like, of like, over consumption, the idea of sex and all this stuff, it's like, it's this weird metaphor that. And then it spreads from the, spreads out from the, the party house. Like it, like almost like an std. So, like, this is, we're not in Twilight territory now. Like, this is a very different kind of thing. And we'll see it. We'll see how that does. I think, I think teams, I think my readership is gonna like it. I think my adult readers are very much gonna like it. And we'll see if pretty, you know, so far, so good. No, like, no book bands. No, no people getting pissy about the climb of Cornfield books.
But we'll see.
[00:32:53] Speaker A: There's still time. There's still time.
Yeah, there's like, ancient, not Agent, but, like, older Stephen King books that are still being, like, all of a sudden out of nowhere, someone's like, not that story anymore. We can't do that.
[00:33:02] Speaker B: So, like, yeah, I mean, the King himself is like, you know, he took rage out of circulation and for good reason. I, I, I think I understand, but I'm not trying it. That's the, that's the whole thing. My whole thing is doing this stuff responsibly. Like, there's a pretty, pretty hefty, you know, content warning in the front of it. Like, it's this idea of, like, look, I'm not trying to get away with anything. I'm trying to tell stories that I think teenagers are going to like and relate to, and get something out of. But I'm going to, I'm not going to do it in a way that's, I'm not going to sanitize anything. I'm not going to sugarcoat anything because I think that's the weird coddling of, of people in the arts.
It's funny because it's reached where, you know, it's reached the adults now and the weird coddling of, of, of what's okay and what's not okay and what's, and what's the. You round the edge off something because of an algorithm like Netflix is like, you know what? We found that more people click away if they see a certain thing. So we're going to take all, all elements of that out of our products. You know, and it's like, it's.
Books aren't supposed to be that and books shouldn't be that. So I think I want to write a vampire book. That's kind of vampire book I would have liked to read when I was 17. And that's what Bloodsick is.
[00:34:11] Speaker A: Well, and it's cool because as someone who's turned 40 in this past May, I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, I also lived in high school at one point. You did too. Like we all went through high school, so like we know what that experience is like. So reading these things is like, that's why it also doesn't make sense for like a 9th grader to read it because you might haven't done that yet. Not only is it probably over the head, so like the experience is like, it's one of those great things about young adult. Can be young adult till 99 years old because.
[00:34:36] Speaker B: Exactly.
It's a shared communal experience. It's a very, for a lot of us, it's like a, you know, semi traumatic experience or like a, you know, it's this, it's this thing like there's a reason, you know, you know, you're 40, I'm 38. We're probably, you know, you're probably still waking up from nightmares sometimes. Like, oh man, I, I was enrolled in the wrong class and I, you know, like, you still have it. It's because it's baked in. It was a, it was a very pivotal partner development in our lives. So that's why I think it's YA fiction. Yes, it's, it's front and center YA fiction. I don't make any, any apologies for that.
But I, you know, so I don't, I don't, I don't Take too many comment cards from adult readers when they, when they get upset about certain things. But I also do, I understand that it's like I have a readership that's 80 adults. That's just the way the book industry is and that's the way, you know, these books sell.
So I want everyone to be happy. But more than anything, when I'm writing ya, it's the teens way or the highway and then everyone else, it's cool if you enjoy it and I want you to enjoy it, I think you should enjoy it.
[00:35:45] Speaker A: To me as a five year old and I have a two year old. And so right now my son is massively getting into Star wars, which is amazing to me.
I cleaned up some of the characters I had behind me here and I put them into a bucket. And some old Star wars characters, I buy them like really cheap at yard sales. Think they're missing the accessories or the helmet or whatever. And so they're just like old Star wars characters but like they're not like worth anything. And so to me it was just
[00:36:07] Speaker B: like he's loving them, loving it.
[00:36:08] Speaker A: He's playing with him. He's watching the movie like, oh, this is. In this movie. I am looking Forward to the 11th grade, 10th grade, 11th grade time where I can pass on the love for things like these young adult. And I say this, I don't want to say it as a moment because I hate that. I hate that terminology about how like horrors having a moment or YA horrors
[00:36:25] Speaker B: having a young one.
[00:36:26] Speaker A: However, it kind of is in the sense that there are so many.
Not just there's always been great horror novels written in ya. Like there's always been the people who, that's what they do. But there's also, you look at these people like, you know, Clay McLeod Chapman had a great shiny happen people came out this year like he won the Stoker. And so like to me it's like
[00:36:44] Speaker B: Diana Walk was nominated for the Stoker for the Silence, you know, like, yeah,
[00:36:47] Speaker A: yeah, Chuck Wendig was doing a middle grade novel and there's, there's all these different cool stories out there that are be written on all ages of horror. Which just makes me so happy because it's like one my passion for horror. At one point I'm going to be able to not just hand over my Goosebumps collections because like that's, that's what's over there. And he always looks at them. I always go, they're fake. You're five. The covers are not real. Don't Don't, I don't want nightmares. I already don't sleep.
But I want this. And this is cool about this is that you're, you're creating these things and there's other people dipping their toes in and they're doing it wonderfully. And I think that's the school about these things. I can't wait to pass this kind of.
[00:37:21] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I'm really excited, I'm excited for that, that middle grade age that you're talking about with my own, my own daughter and I, and I, I think it's just a symptom of, it's a symptom of overall horror being very healthy right now. And I, and I, and I, I'm just on a, I was just on a panel where it's like horror so hot right now. And it is, it's funny because when people talk about it in movies, I always roll my eye and I'm like, yeah, yeah. Every, every year, every year since like the last 25 years, more than that, there's been some horror movie that comes out and makes like $200 million. Like, like it's, it's like, yeah, it's always, horror is always bankable. Art is always, you know, does well, but it's in theaters and in cinemas.
Like and, and, and as a, you know, it's somewhat cyclical but there is always that like there's hotter times than other times but there's always a pretty, pretty solid baseline of like now hard does well, it just may look different but, but in publishing I actually do think it's kind of true. Like I think, I think especially as someone who's had a, a career that spans 15 plus years in publishing and when I entered it was right after, you know, everyone in publishing was so scared of like, you know, the switch to digital and what is Kindle doing to us and what is, you know, what is, what is the, the ease of, the lowering of the bar of the ease of self publishing doing. And it's creating all these, you know, indie presses and micro presses and is that a good thing? And is everyone, you know, the, the big five were scared and like very, you know, like it was a very different time just in publishing in general, but in horror publishing very specifically.
So I've gotten to, I've gotten to kind of view that as. Oh no, no, no, we're, you know, when I started writing there was no Tour Night Fire, there was no, you know, there were no dedicated horror brands at any of the lines, at any of the big five.
Like you know, Mercy House was an experiment on Random House's part to basically be like, can we do these as digital originals? Like they did me. Did a book by me and Carl and a book by Carl Melick basically trying to like poach guys from the indie scene and be like what can we do here? And it just fizzled. It didn't work at all.
And it's, and, and it's so different now. And it's, and it's so much, there's so many more.
It's such a very diverse lineup of folks writing, publishing and in all ends of this like there's my end which is you know, the, probably the more commercial side of things. And then there's like, you know, Daniel Krause winning a Pulitzer and Stephen Graham Jones and there's any, everywhere in between there's Rachel Harrison having an amazing career and CJ Lead doing amazing stuff and Gabino Iglesias writing, writing books that are put out by Mulholland like that are put out by a crime imprint that are horror novels that like, like there's this, like this, this horror is not only. It's like it's like broken containment in, in publishing in a lot of ways. And I think it's, it doesn't feel like the post king paperback boom of the 80s and 80s and 90s. Like it, it feels like it's because it's not contingent on following one dude, you know, out and, and a bunch of like thriller writers are suddenly like, I guess I'll put killer rats in a book and that'll end up being you know, like it's, it's inside. It's a much more earnest push towards like a golden age because it's people who love and respect the genre and have wanted to write in the genre and in a lot of cases, speaking of like, like Gabino and Steven and, and myself like, like this, we've been publishing these books and, and like oh look, there's, you know, there's a backlist version of you know, Gubino's earlier like barrio noirs have come out post the other ones and, and, and, and Almost all of Dr. Jones's books are being reprinted. Like I just saw that growing up Dead in Texas is getting a reprint.
[00:41:21] Speaker A: Like there's another one too. Like, you know, there's two more. There's two of them that were coming out. I forget.
[00:41:26] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, I mean I think he's pretty much at, at like he doesn't, I don't think he has many left. Like
[00:41:33] Speaker A: last final Girl Last.
[00:41:35] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, Last Final Girl, which for a long time was, Was one of the like holdouts. I'm like, it's weird they're not reprinting Last Final Girl because that almost seems like the most. Would do the. Would do the most well after stuff
[00:41:45] Speaker A: like right after the Indian Lake trilogy. Like that. Yeah, right after that would have been perfect. But I think they're all gonna do amazing.
[00:41:52] Speaker B: I think, I think it makes sense. I think it makes sense to give them a little bit of distance because it's. They're almost. They're almost. They're not similar, but they're. Because Last Final Girl and Demon Theory are very different.
But like, you look at that and it's like, oh yeah, no, it makes perfect sense. And for a lot of readers these were like new things. Like, you know, and, and I think just looking even at that, even just the people I like personally know and came up with, like, you could see like, oh, it's very. It's a different ballgame right now. And. And YA is just one more frontier on that. And I feel like, you know, right. Right before Clara Cornfield came out, came out, there were a few, there were a few books that were. That were hits in that, in that area, but maybe weren't like hits enough to cause like a, A widening of like, of like the genre. Like I think, like, I think of like Daniel Vegas Merciless in the Madeline Ruse, the Asylum series, and, and it's almost like they were treated like outliers. Like they did really well and then those. Right. Those authors wrote other stuff. They like wrote in other genres. And I think you're seeing more now.
Tiffany Jackson writes, she writes cross genre, but I think her horror stuff is really, you know, is really pushing, you know, books like my books and stuff. Like, you know, I'm not on Tiffany Jackson's level, but I think, you know, as part of that movement, I think we're all pushing out a little bit.
[00:43:21] Speaker A: But this is community behind it. Yeah, this is community behind it. I think it's not just. It's driven by a community nowadays where it was like I said, you said you had the single author who's doing well and people follow that author and so on, and then there's a boom after that. But like right now I feel like there's. You're already built an audience of like X amount of people that are either going to read your book or tell some about your book because they're just a fan of what's going on in the horror. Exactly. Right now.
[00:43:44] Speaker B: And I think it's one of those things where you need to reach a certain amount of critical mass for there to be that community and readership. Because, because these are big. These are big Fortune 500 companies. These are big, like corporate, you know, entities that, that need a lot of data if they're going to go in on something. And it's funny to watch now, like, you know, not naming names, but it's funny to like, see everyone has like a HAR imprint or a harsh shingle and it took. It took you long enough. Like, it's like, it's like they really needed like, to see the data on, like on Nightfire, which Nightfire is like, you're probably like getting close to a decade old now.
And, and I think they were one of the first few out of the gates as far as like, you know, the McMillan's and the, and the His Shays and the, you know, things. And, and, and it's interesting, as I say this, I'm not really associated with any of those. Like, I think, you know, it's interesting because I'm like, I'm like Harper, Mainline Harper and then Union Square. But, but it's still like, you know, I'm still benefiting from it all, you know, like.
[00:44:42] Speaker A: Well, I mean, like, it's. It's when everybody else is doing well in the same sense. I feel like that's the same thing as I work in the beer industry by day. And it's the same thing with. If there's a bunch of good breweries going around. It actually helps your brewery because people want to brew hop, they want to try new things and collaborations and things like that. So, like, if there's more people, you can't oversaturate the market, but if there's more people doing successful horror novels, that all it's going to do is the next person wants to read the next book and all, you know, you're, you. You do have a busy next, like six months.
[00:45:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:09] Speaker A: And that's not unusual for most people. So.
[00:45:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it's an interesting problem to have because I was texting. People are going to think my agent's an a hole. He's not, he's. He's great. But he, like, he texted me the other day, he's like, well, I've never had an author release 36 books in a quarter, so we'll see what happens. Like, you know, like, you know he's kidding. But I do have, like, especially if you count the, if you count the paperback Release of Clown 3. Like, which, you know, these. These. These releases do count. You know, there's a new ISBN. Like, it's. I have six books, you know, like, by the time Bloodstick comes out, which will be the first month of 20 now, I've. I've had six books come out.
[00:45:45] Speaker A: And from. From Clown and August. Yeah.
All the way through.
[00:45:51] Speaker B: Yeah. It's not 100 by design. I think Mercy House was almost like, you know, Random House. They're. They've been great, and they've been awesome, but it was a little bit of, like, a Leroy Jenkins situation of like. Of, like, all right, we've got our little. You know, we got our three books set up. And then, like, paying around the house is like, by the way, Leroy Jenkins, you know, like. Like right before they, like, come in there, right before Halloween, and we're, like, begging them, like, okay, like, at least give Video Night up. You know, three weeks of breathing room. I know it's. I know it's not your book, but please, like, you know, give me. Give me a little space.
[00:46:24] Speaker A: Well, we're also, like, Anybody who's a fan of Adam Caesar is, like, It's. We have a budget too, so, like, you have to give us.
[00:46:29] Speaker B: Exactly. Yeah.
It's a legitimate concern for me because these books are not cheap. They're $20.
I.
[00:46:37] Speaker A: But libraries are great, Adam. So if people just get their library. I want.
[00:46:41] Speaker B: Yes. I want people that you should get them from the library. And I'm a big supporter of libraries. But librarians. But I. There's a lot. I have a lot of people who are just straight collectors that, like, want.
[00:46:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: You know, that have every version. This is the third version of Video Night. They'll be buying. I want them to, you know, I want. I'll give you.
[00:46:57] Speaker A: I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here. So right.
[00:46:59] Speaker B: Here you go.
[00:46:59] Speaker A: They're only 20. They're not 30. So there you go.
[00:47:02] Speaker B: That is. That is true with the hardcovers. That's the good thing, because I'm in. I'm in ya.
[00:47:07] Speaker A: And that's.
[00:47:07] Speaker B: That's completely arbitrary because it's. It's just become an industry thing. They're the same books. They're made out of the same materials, but. But a hardcover Original adult novel, 30 bucks.
Hardcover original YA novel, 20, which is great. So it's.
[00:47:23] Speaker A: It makes it more affordable. I'm.
[00:47:25] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:47:25] Speaker A: I was just. I forget we mentioned about the whole having a moment, and I had this thing. There's a guy. There was someone on a panel at San Diego Comic Con that was saying that like, do. Because of obsession now horror is popular. And I was thinking to myself, how disconnected. Yes, you're right. There's. There's these popular movies, but like how disconnected from the horror genre this person might be. They know that this is not the beginning of what they also.
[00:47:46] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, but there is like you
[00:47:48] Speaker A: mentioned every four or five years, like,
[00:47:50] Speaker B: not to like, you know, not to like, say yes and that guy. But. But I do think from a certain industry perspective, like, you look at like the, you look at like the Gold rush, like this, this, this. The double whammy of obsession in backrooms is interesting because it has led to this, you know, the scp vhs, like, which I'm sure was a. Which I'm sure was a big deal. I think Roy Lee is involved in all these movies. Like, it was a big deal.
My, My friend Trevor, Trevor Henderson sold two big movies, like literally within a week of each other. It was like Siren Head and then Cartoon Cat. Like, you know, like huge. Like, I think Siren Head was like an auction. Like multiple, multiple studios were involved. Like, and it was, you know, it was. It was like a couple weeks after Back Room. So there is this idea of like. Of like this is proof of concept, this is proof of that. People, you know, look at Markiplier, the.
What's that movie called? It's based on a game, Iron Long. Look at like Iron Long. Like, which are. It's funny because these are all unique cases and they're like. I think Kane Parsons, you can't really compared to Curry Barker because they're doing very different things and they came from different areas. But I think if you. At a certain. You zoom back out at a certain studio level, at a certain executive level, it's easy. It's actually, it's he. You can be wrong in the, in the micro and be right in the macro. Like, it's like, yeah, of course, like everyone who's. Who's into horror is like, that's a complete reduction and it's completely wrong.
But you know, if you look at even just the money being spent and you zoom out far enough for that guy, he's kind of right. Like in a weird way, like, where's.
[00:49:32] Speaker A: Where's the chicken or the egg? Where did it start, though? Because there's obsession in backrooms out there because of the success of other horror movies.
It goes far enough back now that like, you know, also my biggest thing is like the whole.
[00:49:44] Speaker B: Oh my God, look how much money
[00:49:45] Speaker A: this movie made off of such A small budget. And I'm like, that is like horror in general. Like, I don't know, like, if that's
[00:49:53] Speaker B: always why people enterprise and that's always what. What funds a bunch of horror movies, which is great. It's a good business to be, you know, like, I. Not that I'm in the movie industry. I'm, like, tangentially in the movie industry, I guess. I have a movie I'm gonna be playing paintation tomorrow. That's cool.
[00:50:07] Speaker A: You are in the movie industry. So don't, like. Don't, like, sugarcoat that. Yeah.
[00:50:11] Speaker B: Starring Catherine Isabel. Pretty cool. But. But, like, even. Even me and my, like, tangential, like, you know, thing. I'm gonna benefit from this because, you know, people are like, like, my manager sent me a bunch of, like, texts when the Trevor stuff went through, and I don't think he even realized. I was like, yeah, he's my. My friend. Like, I know him.
You know, he's like. He's like, do you know, you know anything about this guy? Like, look at all these, you know, projects that are so. I'm like, not only do I know this guy, I'm like, he did the COVID for Dead Mall. He did. You know, he did concept art for this script that's unproduced. And it's like. And he's like, let me see that script. You know, so it's like, it makes what it's old is new again in a certain extent. And it. And it. And it helps people who, you know, if you. You know, I think about it all the time, and it doesn't 100 apply here, but there's a. There's a line of the Drive By Trucker Song. Overnight sensation after 25 years. Like, you know, like, it's that idea that, like, yeah, you know, like, we're. People are waiting at the gates with their, you know, with their spec scripts and their, you know, and their inner IP and their whatever and the. It's. Did you see the Odyssey yet?
[00:51:14] Speaker A: I have not seen the Odyssey yet.
[00:51:20] Speaker B: It's a poem. But the way they get away from the Cyclops is he rolls the stone over the thing, and there's only a certain time of day where he's going to go leave the cave and he's going to open up the stone, and it's like, you can run out. You have that moment to run out. This is that moment in horror.
Cyclops just opened the. Opened up the. Put the big rock away from the thing. Everyone run. Like, you know, like, it's. It's it's, yeah, like it's, it's fine. Like until, until they fall on their face and make something that you know is out of touch or no one wants to see or makes it, loses it, they lose their shirt on. That's the, the gate will remain open and see that in everything.
[00:51:57] Speaker A: It's not just, I mean, you know, you've seen it in the MCU in that sense too, where it's like they're continuing to put these movies out and then all of a sudden now they falter a little bit and they have to sit back and relax and try to figure things out and do one movie a year and yada, yada, yada. So there is this. And I will be some, there'll be some really, really, really amazing horror movies coming out in the next few years and there'll be some that aren't so great because it's just.
[00:52:18] Speaker B: That's been every, that's been every time. But they're gonna be more under the microscope. The ones that aren't so great will be more under the microscope because people are looking for a reason to turn off the faucet. So.
[00:52:27] Speaker A: And I want original stories. I mean, like I said to me, it's like, I, you know, sequels are great, but in the same sense, or remakes are great, but like these are original stories that are coming out too, which are really cool.
[00:52:35] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, that's the, that's what's cool and unique about this one. Like this, you know, this is everything cyclical, but it's not like a, you know, sometimes, a lot of times it'll be like, oh, this, you know, cheapo slasher movie made a bunch of money. Let's do, do cheapo slasher movies. Or oh, this, this vampire thing was a big hit. You know, the last time we had a big vampire boom was, was post Twilight, you know, and, and, and, and, and it's the summer good and some are bad and then, and then it's, but it's, you get kind of that one thing here. Like the, like the, the pitch is like, wow, these wildly original, wildly different things are doing really well. And they just, the one thing they have in common is the Internet, which is like, everything's the Internet now. So like that's a, that's a good position to be in. Even like Sinners is not even a, it doesn't even spring from the Internet. It's just like this original thing, this well made thing did well. So like that's, it's the right lesson for everyone. To learn. And it may lead to a longer sustained burst of good stuff, I think.
[00:53:33] Speaker A: You know, not that I don't want sequels, because I don't mind a sequel to Clown in the Cornfield, the film.
[00:53:39] Speaker B: Yeah, we'll. We'll see. Who knows? There might have even been an announcement by the time you put this, this
[00:53:44] Speaker A: video that it's not being made now. No, it's.
[00:53:46] Speaker B: It's right before Cloud 4 comes out. They're gonna be like, actually, we're not.
[00:53:50] Speaker A: We're not. We decided to pass on this.
[00:53:53] Speaker B: Yeah, I think they'll, I think they'll be. I think people are gonna be happy. And it's, I know. I clearly know a lot more than I'm allowed to say, but I think, I think it's also like at a certain point I look, I like point it like, like, well, the movie made money and you know, and, and, and,
[00:54:09] Speaker A: and I always say there's nothing against.
[00:54:11] Speaker B: There's stuff in spirit and there's stuff and there's action figures and stuff. So it's the idea of like people are talking. It's not like people are acting like I like, like we forgot to like, you know, to make it Cloud of the Cornfield too. People are like, people are like, Well, I think people wanted like this in my like, comments, being like, you guys should make a clown of cornfield too. And it's like there's a lot of people that are, there's a lot of great Whose jobs are like, to like.
[00:54:34] Speaker A: Do we agree A video night movie, a zero ledger man. Wouldn't it be great if all of your books became movies?
[00:54:40] Speaker B: Like, that's a stupid base coming with. No, I'm saying like, I just love.
[00:54:44] Speaker A: You should really make this like. No, no crap like, this is. They know this is exactly what we should do. But yeah, it's. But I also said to myself, and I never want to like, it's nothing against Kevin James. They made a Paul Blart mall top two. So there's a lot of movies that deserve sequels, in my opinion. Like, it's not like I said nothing against that movie.
[00:55:00] Speaker B: I think it's just like, I think it's a numbers game in a certain point. And I think they, the, the, you know, what you hope is that, you know, which I know for a fact is that like, there's care and thought being put and strategy being put behind these things. And like, though we want to do it right, so we're going to do it this way. And like, what you, what you. That's what you hope for. You just, you know, in a.
[00:55:19] Speaker A: In a certain.
[00:55:20] Speaker B: In a certain sense, the instant green light is a. Is. Is almost a warning bell because then you. Then you find out after the fact because, like, you know, 20 years later, when the director has lost nothing left to move lose, he'll like, do a commentary track and be like, like, oh, yeah, we wrote this thing in seven days. And like, and we were, you know, we were facing down a writer strike, so, like, you know, we couldn't have a writer on set.
[00:55:39] Speaker A: Like, you know, like.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: Like stuff like that. Like, and then movies get made like that movies get made all the time because people are, you know, are greedy and. And want to move fast and are not thinking long term because you want a quick buck, like, instead of a. Instead of a, you know, making a good movie. So, like, I think that's all to say people are thinking about it.
And I think that the amount of time and care that has gone into it is going to be a testament to trying to do it correctly.
[00:56:05] Speaker A: The number of times we've recorded a review of a movie on here with my buddy Paul and I, and we look through the background, the history, we're talking about a little bit about it, and like, well, why wasn't there ever a sequel made? And there was always, like, I would say about 15 of the movies we've recorded over the past five years, they've always been like, they announced a sequel or they were working on a sequel, and it just never went anywhere. It's like, I almost would rather have you say nothing and it never be made. And he'd be happy with Clown the Cornfield as the film it is, and not even saying, then be like, we're making a second one. Then 15 years later be like, yeah, I never. Never came to anything.
[00:56:34] Speaker B: I mean, I mean, Eli has firsthand, you know, experience with that, with. With Tucker and Dale versus Evil. Like, you know, it's.
[00:56:42] Speaker A: It's.
[00:56:42] Speaker B: And it's like, it's one of those things where it's like any. Any one thing, making a movie is real hard and it's real expensive. And like, and. And. And any one thing can kind of undo the whole thing. Like, if you're doing work, like they've had multiple scripts for Tucker and Dale versus Evil 2. Like, I think, like, from talking to the guy, like, I think it's. It's one of those, like, weird.
Yeah. Like, there's, you know, there's a lot of factors that go into who's gonna put up the money for this.
[00:57:06] Speaker A: Well, they wanted to meet well too. I don't want just another sequel. How many times have they just made a sequel to a movie because they wanted to make the money off of it and they made the money off of it because people went and saw it because of the sequel. But then there wasn't anything more from that because it was like a pump
[00:57:18] Speaker B: and dump, you know, it's like, it's like kind of the classic. The classic scam, honestly. So like, you. Yeah. Trust that we're trying not to. You know, I say we. I'm. I'm on emails and in text threads, but I'm Trust the process.
Like the main creative force behind the movies.
So like, yeah, I, I just, I think, yeah, trust the process.
[00:57:38] Speaker A: That's the Sixers statement. And it worked. They got LeBron James.
And so you heard it here first. The. Ron James is going to be inclined on the cornfield too.
[00:57:47] Speaker B: Yeah, there we go. That would be great.
[00:57:52] Speaker A: As a Celtics fan, I hope he gets decapitated in the movie. Just saying. As a Celtics fan, I hope he gets.
[00:57:58] Speaker B: No, I love.
[00:57:59] Speaker A: No, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I love him.
[00:58:03] Speaker B: And him and Bugs Bunny are both in it.
It's funny because you say that. I want to say a quick Philly thing. Like I saw, you know, I saw Clown of the Cornfield, the movie because AMC was so gracious and was flying me all over. And I saw it in a bunch of different film festivals. I saw a bunch of different, like promotional screenings and hype things and, you know, did Q&As and stuff beforehand. So I sat through it like 11 times. By the time it made it to like, I think it was release week. I think it like the opening Friday was. There was a Philly screening that they had me at and that was the first time I'd seen it in Philly.
And Quinn says, the first time that Quinn says we're from. I'm from Philly. Like, it was, it was funny because I'd seen it 11 times and the, the one time I saw it in, in Philly, the. Immediately a guy just yells, go Birds. Like, just like the first, the first time she says, like, I'm from Philly. And then everyone just goes, go Birds. Like, like it's like, it's like this, it's this knee jerk reaction. Like it's like people can't help themselves in Philly.
So you.
[00:59:06] Speaker A: And you also, I mean, you got like, so the Sixers wise has. Has Jalen Brown, which I am the only Celtics jersey That I own for current Celtics was a Jalen Brown jersey. So now. Now I'm like, oh, great.
But, yeah, it's a Philadelphia good luck. Have fun with. With LeBron James. But, yeah, moving on. No, so, yeah, I mean, so clown the cornfield four. This comes out. Actually, this will come out August 19th. So it's on the shelves right now. Go get it. Because it is.
[00:59:32] Speaker B: It is. But I will say just. Just order if you're interested in it. I know. I know for a fact, because if we had this problem last time, people will go to Barnes and Noble, and Barnes and Noble does this. They have a new buying process now where they don't buy the stock that they're warehousing. They don't. Or they don't shell the stock that they're warehousing. They're like, buy a certain amount, and then they put a couple, like, basically, like, test copies out to. To see where they're gonna pull to.
So, like, people are. Who are gonna. People who are like, thinking, this is like a. You know, I'm camping out for the first day, and I'm gonna go get it. They might sorely be disappointed. So just save yourself the disappointment and just buy it.
You know, buy it online.
[01:00:12] Speaker A: Buy it.
[01:00:12] Speaker B: You can buy it in the store.
[01:00:15] Speaker A: Just.
[01:00:15] Speaker B: If you don't see it in the store immediately, buy it online. Because that first week is the. Is the make or break. It's just like. It's just like movies. It's like the opening weekend. The opening week of a book being out is so important. So, like, I will say, if you're going to a Barnes and Noble and they happen to be sold out because they only got a couple copies and they're already gone. Don't be like, oh, I'll get it three weeks from now. Please just buy it right there from them.
[01:00:41] Speaker A: Or sign copies.
[01:00:43] Speaker B: Yeah, sign copies. Straight through the mail from Children's Book World in Haverford, Pennsylvania. Links are all over my socials, and they'll just. They'll mail you a signed copy.
[01:00:52] Speaker A: It takes. Are your books number one sold books from that store?
[01:00:56] Speaker B: Oh, it is
[01:00:58] Speaker A: not to be.
[01:00:59] Speaker B: It's funny because they're like. They're. I mean, they're a massive store. They do a ton of. They're a great. They're, you know, they've been open for over 20 years. They're great children's bookstore. They're like a. They do a lot of. They're very active in the. The area because they do a lot of the school book fairs and Stuff like that. So, like. So they're. It's. But they're used to selling, like, dog man's hand over fist. And then I come in and I'm, like, wearing a Veronica shirt, and I'm like, oh, I'm here to sign my books. And, like, they got it. Like, so, like, it was. It was funny because it was uneasy or like our truce was a little uneasy at first. But they've. They've stepped up and they've. They've sold. They've sold and mailed, which is the important thing. They've mailed out just thousands and thousands of copies of my books, which I'm very, very grateful for them, but I think they're very happy that.
That we've.
[01:01:47] Speaker A: Well, it's great to have that because it takes a little bit of pressure off of you having to do it yourself. Like, having to be like, oh, you could buy signed copies of my website. Instead you go somewhere else. You just go there, you sign them, they make the money. It's.
[01:01:56] Speaker B: It's.
[01:01:56] Speaker A: It's a great. I think a great place. And I think that it was kind of funny at my brewery, we. There was a law in the state of Maine, and we make a hard seltzer, and we weren't allowed to just, like, manufacture it and then sell it out of our restaurant. We had to manufacture it, sell it to a distributor, and buy it back off of the distributor, which is kind of annoying. But it ended up being that we were our own. Our own best customer.
I was like, oh, my gosh. Our own restaurant is the way. That's this one place. And I'm like, what about the sales rep from that one area? Who gets commission off of it? He doesn't have to do any work. Like, we do all the work. We're just buying it.
[01:02:26] Speaker B: So happy about.
[01:02:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[01:02:27] Speaker B: So the law has changed.
[01:02:28] Speaker A: It allows us to do that. So, like, it sounded nice that this is like. Like, to them, it's like a built in. Like, hey, we got some. You know, as long as you keep on making books and people want to sign them and people want you to
[01:02:36] Speaker B: sign copies, it's a.
[01:02:38] Speaker A: And it supports. Local people will still.
[01:02:39] Speaker B: People will still be like, well, why do I have to go through them? And, like, why can't I, you know, like, just PayPal you. But I'm like, I'm like, I'm not. I get nothing. Like, not that I don't. Not that I get nothing from that, but it's like, it doesn't. It doesn't do much for me. And then I have to go to like, the, the. I'm not a. I have to go to like, the post office and stuff like that. This is better for everyone. You're supporting an indie bookstore. You're supporting me.
The. I, you're. You're getting a person that knows how to do, how to like, use a printer label and, and, and, and, and, and an invoice sheet and stuff like that. You're not just getting me in my Instagram DMS being like, oh, let me, you know, let me send.
[01:03:15] Speaker A: You also throw in a couple other books that you want to buy from the store that they have.
[01:03:18] Speaker B: Exactly.
[01:03:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:03:19] Speaker B: So it's just, it's this idea of like, I don't have to keep stock. It's a, It's a win, win, win, win, win for everyone. And I really, I'm very happy to do it. And I think people enjoy the fact that I go in and I deface their books. So it's fun and so.
[01:03:32] Speaker A: Yeah, so you can do that. I also recommend bookshop.org helps local bookstores as well. The audiobook.
We didn't talk about that. I don't think we've ever talked about that. But I want, I actually think that the, the next guest that I want on here, that's, That's. I want Jesse Valinsky on this podcast.
[01:03:45] Speaker B: Like, you should have her on.
[01:03:48] Speaker A: That's the voice of Quinn in my.
She's done other voices, but like, to me, it's like if I ever pictured, you know, the movie was great and all that stuff, but to me, it's like, that's the voice that, like, if you ever did like an animated series like that.
[01:04:03] Speaker B: And I think it's like, I think there's this, like, it's, It's a, It's a real thing. It's a real like, like, like the, like people, when I announce a new clown book, we're like, is Jesse. Is Jesse doing the, you know, the, like the, the. The thing? And it's similar with. Similar with me having to, you know, sell these books every time, you know, we have to get her every time.
[01:04:24] Speaker A: It's.
[01:04:25] Speaker B: It's like Harper has to, like, Harper has to be like, do you have availability? Can you do this? And luckily, every time Jesse's been gracious enough to do it.
So it's a, It's a real.
I really appreciate Jesse and, and, and I'm very grateful to her that every time out she's been able to do it, you know, because these also, like, the audiobook production is a weird pipeline because it's separate from everything else with the publisher. So like, they have to be, you know, they, they, they have thin deadlines. They have, you know, it's a, It's. It's a not, not a sure thing every time that she will return. So I'm so glad that she has. It's like Jeff Hayes with the, with the Dungeon Crawler Carl books. Like, it's very, it's very similar like that, you know, he's Princess. Don't. He's gonna play Princess Donut in the TV show.
[01:05:12] Speaker A: It's.
[01:05:12] Speaker B: It's that idea of like, it's that idea of like, yeah, he. Only one person really can do that voice. So, like, it's, it's great that, that we have that relationship and that she's kept doing it and then, and then I, I have, you know, I have other relationships with other audiobook narrators.
Matt Godfrey, who did the original, the original audiobook of Video Night, like, this is a different version and we, we wanted to re record it. Luckily, we have Matt doing it again. Like, and it's funny because I, It'll probably cause some confusion because people will be like, I already have Matt Godfrey reading Video Night. Yeah, but you don't have him reading this version. And like, with 10 plus years of experience, like, he's, he's doing. It's a better. Just like the, the paperback is a better version. Like, his new audiobook is a, Is a better version.
And then, and then with. With zero lives remaining, you know, I'm. I knew about Dead Meat as, like, as a thing. I knew. I knew it was a very big, you know, YouTube show. I knew. I. I knew. I knew because, like, it's funny because they're very popular young people. So I, I knew about Dead Meat through my students when I was back. Back when I was teaching. And then, you know, the, you know, they've only gotten more and more popular. And I had, I had met James and Chelsea at.
At Overlook Film Festival because they were there and they saw Climb of the Cornfield and it was like, it was very much like the, The. The reps were like, you know, you know, pooping themselves a little bit because it's like, oh, James and Chelsea are here. Like, I hope they like it. And luckily they like the movie. And I just was. Had a great time talking to them. And they're. They're really cool people. And then I knew. I had known.
I just started following them and, and, and, and kind of paying more attention because I'M you know, I'm not like a fair weather fan. I'm not going to say, like, I was day one, you know, dead. Dead Meat person. Like, I, I started watching them after I met them because I'm like, oh, they're really cool. And I love the podcast and stuff. And then I had. I knew Chelsea did voice work.
She like does voiceover video games and stuff like that. And I'm like, wow, she's. I was like listening to a real. Just being like, she's really talented. This is like, this is really cool. But she's never done and doesn't seem like she's read stories on, on for the Dead Me podcast. She's done like, basically like dramatic reading. She's done. She read Charlotte Perkins Gilman's the Yellow Wallpaper and did a, an amazing job with that.
And I kind of just like, I saw him at Comic Con for the clown haunted house thing and I kind of was like, it's not a sure thing yet because, like, the, the deal wasn't in place for the backlist books. But I was already like, wouldn't it be cool if I could. If I could get Chelsea to say yes to doing an audiobook? And I think zero hours remain would be perfect. So I like my wheels returning even back then. And luckily, I don't know, she was just really gracious and said yes. And this thing is like, it's so good. It's almost like a. Because it's three hours because you can kind of basically like sit and like, listen to it. Like a movie, like a long movie.
It's just like, it's just, just, just. She does such an awesome job.
So I'm like, really excited for people, like, basically rediscover the book because they're a fan of her or because. Or because they're like, oh, that's a, that's different than the last, you know, version of this. Let me listen to this. And it's just a very cool production, very well done, well voiced.
[01:08:37] Speaker A: That's just so cool. And Matt Godfrey's doing a Mercy House too, so.
[01:08:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I forgot that. I forgot that I checked just the other day. I was like. Because I know about these things, but you never know when they're gonna like, update the retailer pages and stuff like that. So, yeah, Matt, Matt's doing. There's never been a, A Mercy House audiobook and it's gonna be very different.
I feel like he has to do like, Long island accents and it's a lot of like, you know, 80s stuff. In.
In. In Video Night. But it's going to be a very. There's basically monsters and mutants in. In Mercy House and a lot of like gross stuff. So it's going to be very different experiences for him voicing those. I have not heard his. His version of Mercy House yet, but I'm very excited to. Yeah, it's excited.
[01:09:18] Speaker A: Audiobook's another way to do it. So Libre FM has a lot of those available on there for pre order as well. Those are all coming out in the fall or September.
[01:09:25] Speaker B: Is Libro a subscription thing or is that a purchase?
[01:09:31] Speaker A: You basically subscribe monthly and you get a credit and it's like similar as to bookshop.org where they give a portion of the sales to a local bookstore.
[01:09:38] Speaker B: Oh, that's great. I didn't know. Yeah, there's a lot of ways. There's like a lot of. There's a. There's the one out through.
It's like not crackle. Like there's like one through like libraries that I know about and there's. There's a lot of different. Different ways for people to.
[01:09:52] Speaker A: And the cool thing about. I like audiobook, I like about Libro is that it's obviously not everything on there because influencers obviously audio audible only. So it's over.
[01:10:01] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the. Yeah, Jeff Bezos owns that one.
[01:10:05] Speaker A: The Clown, the Cornfield series, Video Night, Mercy House and Zero Lives Remaining will all be on Libro FM. And it's DRM free. So they give you the MP4 file and you download it and you own it. They don't want to have any. There are certain books that are on there that are not, but they try to discount them as much as possible so that you can have the rights to. But to me, it's one of those things I like. You know, we like physical media. I like things where like I don't have to. If I just.
[01:10:28] Speaker B: Similar to Humble Bundle does a similar thing where they do like the DM free.
[01:10:31] Speaker A: So you just. If you. You buy it, you own it. It's like well, years and years and years. You're like, oh, I bought this movie on itunes. And you're like, well, if itunes stops having it, that means you don't own it. Exactly. Yeah.
[01:10:39] Speaker B: You bought a license for it. Yeah.
[01:10:41] Speaker A: And if you cancel your subscription, sorry. So you have to subscribe to it for the rest of your life just to be able to listen to this audiobook again. I think that's cool about this is that they do that way. But the biggest thing to me is that it supports local book stores. So if you like click on a link there and you go. And you look at the local bookstore, you link your local bookstore, they get a portion of it, which is awesome for them as well.
[01:10:59] Speaker B: I wasn't aware. I think people should go get these books. Go pre order these books on Libro library.
[01:11:04] Speaker A: And so that's audiobooks. But yeah, all kinds of stuff check out. Obviously you're pretty popular or pretty. Sorry, popular. You are popular but like active on social media. So obviously you're posting things as we go up.
[01:11:13] Speaker B: Oh, I'm active on social media and I.
And it's funny because I was like, you know, you do like, you make small talk at like I was like at a kid's birthday party yesterday and it was just like people, some people know what I do, some people don't. And they come up to me and be like, like, what are you doing? Right? Like they imagine I'm doing something like fun. And it's like. Or like not fun but like they think I'm like, they think I'm like Hemingway. Like, I'm sitting and it's like, well, I'm halfway through a manuscript right now and it's like, it's like, no, what I'm doing right now is like, is like, it's like triage on, like on promo. It's like, it's like, it's like I'm making two Instagram reels a day and they're like, oh, like that doesn't. Like that sounds like such a silly thing to say.
Like when you're trying to be. When you're talking to like a doctor. And I'm like. And I'm like, I'm.
I'm hitting two reels a day. I'm trying to get a podcast in every week. And they're like, okay, like, I just sound like such a bum.
[01:12:04] Speaker A: I'm trying to trick people into buying my books.
[01:12:08] Speaker B: I swear it's important. Like, I swear it's an important, time consuming thing I'm doing, but it's. I sound like it. Like I said, I sound like a bum. Yeah.
[01:12:17] Speaker A: So there's a bunch out there. We mentioned a video night coming, Zero lives Remaining coming. You have Mercy House coming. You have Bloodstick in January. But to me, all those are amazing. But right now, clown the cornfield four is out there.
[01:12:29] Speaker B: Yeah, that's the one. Yeah.
Buy one thing especially you're listening to this the week it comes out. If you don't have your copy, please within the.
[01:12:37] Speaker A: And if you Buy it online, like we mentioned, is that way you could buy all four. If you don't have all of them. See, if you go to the store, you might end up getting 1, 2 and 4 or 2 and 3 and not one or whatever. Buy them online. You're guaranteed they'll have them.
[01:12:46] Speaker B: If you go to the store, they're gonna have the first ones. They're gonna have the paperbacks of the first ones. That's the, that is the, that is the issue. And it's, it's such a thing like, you know, Barnes and Noble and books a million won't.
I understand why. Because it's a shelf space thing. It's an expense thing. Like they don't want to have, they want to have the paperbacks there because they take up less space.
But I know a lot of my readers are, are like, oh, they need to line up right on the shelf and, and it takes two years. It took a full two years for Clan of Corfield 3 to hit paperback. So like, don't think it's coming like next month. Like if you want to read clown accordville4 audiobook or digital or you gotta, or you gotta carry around the hardcover. I'm sorry, but it's just the way it is. Luckily, and this is this, I think this is the first time we're announcing this, but Union Square does not have that policy of, of hardcover originals have to be hardcover and nothing else. So Bloodstick is actually going to have two editions. It's going to have a paperback edition and a hardcover. So whatever your poison right out of the gate, day one, you can, you can choose to either enjoy it hardcover or choose to enjoy it paperback, which I feel like is a very consumer friendly stance and I'm very happy about that. So. But with Clown Clownfield 4 hardcover or the highway.
Yeah, I hope you enjoy it.
[01:14:01] Speaker A: It's gonna be awesome. So I was so glad you came on. Thank you for coming on for the fifth time. And then we'll come on probably in 2027 for sixth time or maybe 2028.
[01:14:09] Speaker B: Well, it's every, it seems like every two years, but we'll find a thing.
Have me on for blood sake. We'll talk.
[01:14:14] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll talk about something.
I appreciate everything and, and best of health, your family and everything like that coming on the podcast. But yeah, congratulations on, on the fourth Clown the Cornfield book and so much congratulations to the rest of the. And continued success to you and everything you do. We'll talk soon.
