[00:00:00] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Capes and Tights podcast right here on Capesandtights.com I'm your host, Justin Soderbergh. Once again, this episode is brought to you by our friends over at Galactic Comics and Collectibles at galactic comics and collectibles.com Funny enough, proprietor and owner of Galactic Comics and Collectibles joins us once more to chat. A new or a movie review? Not a new movie review, an old movie review. This movie is nearly 20 years old. We talked Spawn from 1997, based on the comic book created by Todd McFarlane. It was first introduced in 1992 at Image Comics. It's an elite mercenary is killed but comes back from hell as reluctant soldier of the devil.
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[email protected] There's a horror Week section we just released to check that out. But before you do check that out, listen to this episode, Spawn from 1997, discussed by Paul Eaton of Galactic Comics and Collectibles and myself. Enjoy, everyone.
Surprise recording. Welcome to the podcast, Paul. It's been a month. I think a little over a month. I don't know.
[00:01:23] Speaker B: Yeah, something like that. Right?
[00:01:24] Speaker A: It's been a hot second.
[00:01:25] Speaker B: What do we talk, 10 books last time?
[00:01:27] Speaker A: Yeah. And we did it a little early, so that's. I mean, there's that. And then it was at the beginning of the month, and it's been a little while since we've done a movie. So if you think it is Jaws, it has been. It was jaws for episode 243, and this is actually episode 254. So it's been 11 episodes. This is 11th episode. Whoa, wait. We've had some. We had Horror Week in between. We had.
[00:01:48] Speaker B: That's a whole drought right there.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: Exactly. We had fans clamoring for it. That's what it was. That was just. It was just Lance.
[00:01:54] Speaker B: But that's.
[00:01:54] Speaker A: That's different.
[00:01:55] Speaker B: You know, Lance, like. Hey, wait a minute.
[00:01:58] Speaker A: Screaming on top of a mountaintop. I want this back. Give me back.
This is what we've actually been talking about doing for a while here on the podcast. Because the funny thing about it is, is that I want to talk about this, but I don't because, you know, as my supplier of comic Book, you know, related material.
Yeah. My dealer. I'm trying not to say that, you know, the world is listening to me. My phone now, the FBI is going to come banging on my door. Is that I have an affinity for Spawn. I have affinity, but I have my own. I have my own feelings, too, you know, like, you know, and I.
I have a hope that this is episode 254 or something like that, that, like episode 500. Todd McFarlane wants to come on the podcast. But I'm not holding out hope, if that makes any sense. So I'm not. I'm not gonna reserve my. My 100% feelings. You know what?
[00:02:50] Speaker B: He's gonna be lucky if you've got room by 500 for him.
[00:02:53] Speaker A: But listen, so you should have gotten in there sooner. My love for Spawn is fantastic.
Plot, storylines, world building.
Unbelievable artwork in the comic book. Like, just like beautiful artwork in the comic book. And it's not just been tied over the years. They've had other artists who have been amazing at drawing Spawn.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: Yeah, there's always a touch, but I feel like they're always very careful making sure that it's not drastically different or anything.
[00:03:25] Speaker A: Scotty doing Interior.
Yeah, it's Sisman Kurdinsky. It's your.
I'm a Jason.
Sean Alexander. Not Sean Alexander. Sean Alexander. What's his name?
I'm going to screw this up. This is really bad. But over the years, we've had amazing artists that have done it too well. I do not like the scripting. And this is in Spider Man. This isn't anything that he's ever done of Todd McFarlane. I think that it's just a skill that maybe he doesn't fully have. And if that's okay, he doesn't have to do it. He has other people who could do it for him now, like, create the world, create the idea behind the comic. Do some art, throw some pencil work.
[00:04:05] Speaker B: In there and let somebody else.
[00:04:07] Speaker A: You don't have to. You don't have to do that anymore. It's the whole. I mean, I like Robert Kirkman's writing, but, like, Robert doesn't have to do that anymore either. Kirkman does not have to do that anymore. Titian technically doesn't have to do that anymore. And he doesn't for some of the things, you know, the oddly pedestrian life of Christopher Chaos is created by him.
[00:04:20] Speaker B: But.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: But Tate Brommel writes it. And so there is this. You don't need to do that anymore. In House of Slaughter, his idea, someone else writes that. So Topic Farhan. You don't have to write Spawn anymore, which is fine. So I have this affinity for Spawn. I mean, I've got my slab number one right here.
We've got. I'll pull it up in a little bit because I have a conversation about it, but Spawn, the DHS of season one of the HBO TV show with some artwork on it by our buddy Bob Takic. I've got Bob's Spawn illustration on the COVID of Spawn 300. I have multiple characters behind me that, like, I didn't really pull up, but I do have a clown and a violator, different characters. So, like, there's a love for Spawn here. So for that being said, that big.
[00:05:06] Speaker B: Preface like, I've got Spawn statue in my office.
I've got my spawn number one slab. Like, I've got.
[00:05:13] Speaker A: I've got a collection. I've got most of up to, you know, you know, issues 180 or something like that. There's a gap in there. And then obviously, from that famous Spawn gap of comics.
[00:05:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: So the apprehension to review this movie has been, the movie sucks. And so it's one of those things that you don't want to have to talk about something where you have to on it. But here's the deal.
[00:05:37] Speaker B: Let's just get right to the point. This movie sucks.
[00:05:39] Speaker A: Deep down, Todd McFarland knows that, too. Right? I mean, like, let's be honest. Yeah. I would.
[00:05:43] Speaker B: I think he may not.
[00:05:45] Speaker A: May not be screaming it from the mountain.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: No, no. There's nowhere on any record of me saying, I like this movie.
[00:05:52] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: See?
[00:05:55] Speaker A: And so that's why the. The holdback of us always wanting to do this. There's some other movies where I'm just like, oh, that's cool. We should do it sometime. Let's get to it. This has been one of those ones where I'm like, I want to do it, but I don't. And said, you know what? We're kind of still in that spooky season with this. This release, you know, that. That the. The end of September to middle of October or, sorry, middle of November, we're still in that horror thing. And I thought, hey, this is a time to do it. Let's get it over with, and we'll.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: Talk Spawn this movie.
Like, watching it again. It. It does capture some of the horror aspects. Like, it gets some horror in there, which is a. Like, a big part of Spawn. I think a major part of Spawn when it starts in the comics is it's a superhero story. And then, like, as they write, they realize, like, really, we've created a horror with superhero aspects. And that's where Spawn, like, is captured, right?
[00:06:44] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:06:44] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's. That's where you want, like, that's that sweet spot. And this movie, like, does have some of that horror stuff in it. Like, clown eating the maggot covered.
[00:06:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
[00:06:56] Speaker B: And like, yeah, clown's really, honestly, really good. It's only reason for anyone to watch this movie.
[00:07:02] Speaker A: So. And that's funny about it is that clown is different.
A slightly different version of clown in this movie than he is in the comic book. But I honestly, somewhat like, what's one of the things where I'm like. I actually like that. And I prefer that because John Leguizamo is phenomenal as the clown, in my opinion, because he has that.
[00:07:19] Speaker B: He's so good.
[00:07:20] Speaker A: It's so good. He's entertaining. And the clown practical effects are phenomenal. Like, the actual clown, like, clown. This is the clown, like, from the movie. But so, like, it is that clown. But that is the clown that you like. That's just so. It's so creepy. And the fact that he dresses up as a different clown to go to Wanda's house and be there is hilarious.
[00:07:41] Speaker B: For this birthday party for children.
[00:07:43] Speaker A: And the idea that he just dressed. He's not dressed up.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: Service or something.
[00:07:45] Speaker A: He's not dressed up as that clown. He's dressed up as a different clown. A clown dressed up as a clown, which is kind of like an additional clown. Yeah, but, I mean, this. The movie is based off of the comic book from Todd McFarlane from 1992, one of the inaugural Image Comics releases. It was the beginning of Image Comics. This is Todd McFarlane's, you know, part of this release. It's always funny to think about, like, how quickly this was adapted, which, let's be honest, like, it's right around, like, something's killing the children. When that hits the shelves on the theaters or whatever, five years, it's going to be like, that time. It's not crazy. I mean. And turtles were not that far off either. Like, when the Turtles got their first movie. The first Turtles movie was far better than this adaptation of their original 100%.
But it came out in August of 97, and the first issue of Spawn hit in 1992. So it was five years.
[00:08:34] Speaker B: I didn't see this movie in theaters, but I bought the VHS release as soon as it came out.
[00:08:40] Speaker A: That was one of my questions. Gotta be for you. Is it When? Do you remember? Not exactly. Because this is not one of those Films, you're like, I remember I was sitting on my couch and I was eating buttered popcorn.
Do you remember? So it was on vhs. You watched it. You didn't go to the theaters to see. I was 11.
[00:08:54] Speaker B: I got a VHS. I didn't go to theaters for it. I don't really know why I didn't. Because I was a.
Like, I was in getting into Spawn around this time.
Like, I want to say I watched this and I started watching the HBO series right around each other.
But this.
I don't know this movie. I think the first, foremost problem in this movie, if we're gonna start right off the bat, is that it just, like, the technology was not there to make this movie when they made it. Correct. Well, CGI looks awful, and there's tons of it. Like, so much of it. Like, Mal Bolger, the devil himself is just all CGI going to hell. Looks very corny.
[00:09:42] Speaker A: It looks like you're standing in front of a CGI green screen, like at a.
[00:09:46] Speaker B: At a.
[00:09:46] Speaker A: Some sort of festival, and they're like, look, we can make it look like this fire behind you. And then they do that.
[00:09:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:51] Speaker A: And you're like, oh, look at this. This is cool.
[00:09:53] Speaker B: I think even in today's technology, it would look better than this. Like.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: Drastically different. That's the other thing is, like, you watch some bad movies, like, some really bad movies, and it's just, like, bad the whole time. Like, there's bad things that happen. And honestly, you know, my. I love Star wars, but there's moments in Star wars, watching it in 2025 compared to the 1970s and 80s, you get that. You see the blasts from things. You're like, oh, my God, that's so. Like, you just see it from the beginning that there's, like, a level of special effects.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: Yeah, but.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: But there's a level of special effects. The whole thing. You're like, the whole thing is like this. But the problem with Spawn, in my opinion, it's like the. The movie itself, there's, like, touches of special effects here and there, like cgi. And then all of a sudden, I know where they go to hell and Melbourne shows up. You're like, oh, my God. Is like, they finished the movie and they didn't have any budget left, and they just.
[00:10:42] Speaker B: Like, you're playing a, like, PlayStation video game, which. The horrible thing about this PlayStation 1 graphics.
[00:10:49] Speaker A: Yes, exactly.
It's not even, like, so bad. It's not even the.
The cutscenes, which are much better than the actual special effects in the Movie game. This is like the game. Like when you see like actual footage. When they show a video game trailer and it's really like cut scenes and things like that. Like, this is not even that. This is like if you're walking in a game and the special effects were around you, that's what this is like.
[00:11:16] Speaker B: Like original 3D attempts.
[00:11:18] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: When you put the stuff on your face to watch me, like so real.
[00:11:22] Speaker A: Look what I could do.
[00:11:23] Speaker B: First and foremost, that's problem numero uno.
[00:11:27] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:11:27] Speaker B: With Bond.
Well, it's.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: It's a. So what do you think? Do you think this is a. So Todd is an individual. Like he's a. He's a unique individual who has his head, his fingers in a bunch of different things. And he's made his money off of not just comics. He's made his money off from the toy line. You're a sports fan. I'm a sports fan. Like, he has these action figure style statues.
Oh my gosh. He does this whole thing with basketball, baseball, all the different ones.
[00:11:53] Speaker B: Football.
[00:11:53] Speaker A: He's has hockey. He has all these different like statues and figurines and things like that he's created with his McFarlane toy line. He has obviously spawn these other things that have come out since he did Spider man. Like we talked about before, so on and so forth.
Do you think it's his ego was one of the reasons why we needed to make this now and need to make it the way it is.
Because. Because I say that, and I say that respectfully. Not like you're a horrible person. Because there's times when people talked about there's a reason why X movie hasn't wasn't made when it was made. There's a reason why we have this resurgen and this big boom of Marvel and DC movies coming out 2008.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: And I think now, like, he was trying to put the cart ahead of the horse of like, I want to get this on the screen. I want to be the first, like. Because this was really like one of the first independent comic.
[00:12:42] Speaker A: It's also one of the first major black superhero movies.
[00:12:45] Speaker B: Well, yeah, it's the first like black superhero on screen really to speak of. So I could definitely see that. Of like, he wants to get there first. I want to like be the pioneer setter. I want my name attached to person that kicked this all off and the.
[00:12:59] Speaker A: Character names attached to it. Dude.
[00:13:02] Speaker B: The characters just too much for what they had for technology. But the rest of the movie sets and stuff also just screams 1990s.
If you want to know music? These look like.
[00:13:14] Speaker A: Oh, my God, the music too.
[00:13:16] Speaker B: The music. The music choices. The music choices made no sense to it. But if you just said, hey, like, respond. I pitch respawn. You want like. Like the Tim Burton Batman era music stuff. Like, even the saying the settings wouldn't be as bad if you had better music to them.
Everything about it just screams 90s. Like, I think wasn't like static X on here or something.
[00:13:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:13:39] Speaker B: Like, it just doesn't. It don't think about it.
[00:13:42] Speaker A: It's CBR does this thing now, I think, where they post like 5 images screens, stills from movies, and you need to guess the movie. And so they just did Spider. One of the Spider Man. Toby Maguire movies is one of them. But it'd be like if you took like, clips from this, this movie and just posted it and say, okay, now guess the year it was made in.
No one would. No one would get it wrong. Yeah, like mid to late 90s. Yep, you're right.
[00:14:07] Speaker B: Yep. Nailed it.
[00:14:09] Speaker A: There's no. There's no setting.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: Just it looks like.
Oh, my God. It looks like. So it looks like Blade that comes out after this, but still damn close. And it looks like, oh, my God. All of the vampire and werewolf and all of those movies of the 90s, they were Van Helsing. Like, all those movies, it's like they just went to the exact same spot to film them over and over again.
It's.
[00:14:33] Speaker A: It's insane.
So I don't know is that as a. We gotta make this movie now. We gotta make this movie now before everybody else does. And the funny thing is, it's like, maybe it is. Maybe it's like, if we don't make it now, we're never gonna make it. Because guess What? It's been 20 years now and we still don't.
[00:14:47] Speaker B: Haven't. We haven't had the new adaptation, which I don't understand being on hbo. Like, so it was. It was getting into that mainstream line.
So maybe they thought we have the push to make this movie. And, like, everything was coming. Like the Sci Fi Channel was playing lots of different stuff like this, you know, So I could see them thinking. And I don't know, they talked. So I've read some stuff about the upcoming Spawn movie that's been upcoming for, like, years now. Yeah, we still haven't seen that. One of the things Tom McFarland said is to have more spawn, we need less spawn.
And that was a big problem with this movie is you are constantly seeing spawn.
Spawn is in the shadows. He's a. A cloak. He's a chain. He's green eyes going out of the corner. All of that. This was like bright here. Spawn all the time.
[00:15:39] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean it's the Jaws. We just talked about the last movie we reviewed together.
Jaws. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you need him and stuff like that.
[00:15:49] Speaker B: But like it's hard because it's your main character. But that would be a much better adaptation of Spawn is to see a lot less of him and having him constantly. The main focal in this movie with the weird.
Was that even. Was that physical practical effect was that cgi? What the hell is he wearing this wet rubbery monster costume. That's not.
It's just all of it.
[00:16:17] Speaker A: But there's a lot. So there's a. This horror. It's PG13, which is the first. Another problem. Okay, so I think that this movie is.
[00:16:24] Speaker B: This is an R rated movie.
Spawn is our. Don't you want to try to get more. Families shouldn't be there. Why? What? Why are we trying to do this? It's.
[00:16:35] Speaker A: It's a broader audience. It's a studio decision.
It wasn't a director or a writer decision. It wasn't a Todd McFarlane decision. It was a studio driven decision because they know that a PG13 movie has a wider audience base, which means that you can get more money in.
[00:16:49] Speaker B: But here, try to start pulling those teenagers into theaters and whatever.
[00:16:52] Speaker A: We just talked on the podcast for Horror Week about how. Why people don't do horror movies more often. Like the budget for a horror movie is so small and the return on your investment, like Black Phone right now being in theater. Black phone to Joe Hill's book adaptation. The sequel to the movie is Gangbusters and it was made for like $50 million and the movie's making like $100 million. Like the return on your investment is so much higher. This movie Spawn was made for nearly $45 million. Okay. I just watched over the weekend Stephen King's the Long Walk. Okay. The movie is deaf. There's no special effects really. I mean there is a shoe people and stuff like that. But like there's no big costumes, there's no CGI effects.
[00:17:36] Speaker B: Like we know, but.
[00:17:37] Speaker A: But I understand, but that this was 20 years made 20 years later.
[00:17:41] Speaker B: Right?
[00:17:42] Speaker A: This Long Walk movie was made for $20 million.
So you're talking about. This movie was made for half the budget that this movie was made. So Long Walk, half the budget 20 years later. Which means that that probably is a 45 million dollar budget. You know, like, what is 45 million dollars in 1997 now?
70, 80 million dollars for what we got is just asinine. The movie did make $86 million in the theaters.
[00:18:06] Speaker B: I was surprised. So I went and read. You know, I read about it after the fact and I was really surprised to find out that it. It technically was a success. Like it made money.
[00:18:15] Speaker A: Well, in Hollywood it's not. I mean, that's. That's not a success.
It made money. Yes.
[00:18:22] Speaker B: Supposedly, you know, in it. Because I.
I guess I sort of expected. I don't know what else came out during its like release time. And what Harrison Ford movie Air Force One came out. I saw that was on there. It was competing with, I think for. For week one. But maybe there wasn't a lot in theaters. I don't. I don't know. I would have fully expected this to be a bomb. I fully expected that I was going to go on and see that. This movie cost $40 million and it made like 24 million.
So the fact it doubled what it made is. Is fairly impressive.
Yeah. I don't know. I don't. This movie just gets lost.
I really enjoy the Clown, the rest of it. There's overall probably too many characters.
[00:19:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:19:10] Speaker B: And too much going on.
[00:19:12] Speaker A: I guess that was my point I was gonna get to, is that there were. It's. It's a hour and a half or show hour and 40 minute movie. 90 minute movie that has what. Like there's 300 some. Now there's 300 and some odd issues of this comic. But at the time, five years. If you release an issue a month, that's 60 issues that this movie. This movie has to touch on.
[00:19:33] Speaker B: Right? Yeah. Oh yeah.
But there's that era of Spawn started having some of the. Like in this. Spawn, like in the number 80s or so starts having covers of this movie.
[00:19:45] Speaker A: There's a lot that has to go into that. In a sense, like you're trying to cram a bunch in there. You're trying to have a modern storyline. A modern of the time 97 time storyline that is more broader range because you have to have. You need to pull in people who are just not comic book fans. Not just comic book fans. But also tell the story of how Al Simmons became Spawn. And you need to. You need to include Violator and Clown and a lot of this stuff.
[00:20:13] Speaker B: I keep three, three to four villains.
[00:20:17] Speaker A: In it, which is kind of because Clown and Violator are the same villain.
[00:20:21] Speaker B: Well, you got Clown, you have Win, you have Priest, who they change to a woman and whatever. But Priest. And then you have Mal Bolger himself. Yep.
That's a lot.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: And that's what. If you look back at a lot of critiques on superhero comic book related movies is that they put too much like the bad ones. Or they put too much in it. They put too much in it because.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: They don't know if it'll ever happen again. This is our one chance.
[00:20:48] Speaker A: This movie should have had Spawn.
[00:20:51] Speaker B: Maybe. Maybe.
[00:20:54] Speaker A: Yes. And it should have been one of those things in the second one where they introduced Balboaja. Things like that. The person who talks to Spawn in the. In the. On Earth is clown violator. Like that could be the. Or clown.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: And then it's the explanation of how he got here. What his purpose is. All that. Or. And leave out any of him of him going to hell for to fight Mount Bulger to get revenge or what have you for being sent back to Earth and tortured with all this. Just don't include all this. Such an important part of the Spawn storyline. But let's leave that out because we only got 90 minutes to work with folks.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: Or making a TV show which was super successful.
[00:21:32] Speaker B: Oh. And so good. So good. Folks. You want to watch Spawn? You want to know what Spawn is? Go watch HBO series.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: I didn't realize that was in there. That was. That was in the packaging.
Yeah.
[00:21:42] Speaker B: Well. Because. Yeah, you had to get your cross promotion.
[00:21:46] Speaker A: But this is obviously phenomenal. Everybody's watching this.
That's the illustration by my Spawn thing. But yeah. So it's actually kind of funny once again.
[00:21:57] Speaker B: See just that art right there. You don't even see Spawn's face. It's just glowing eyes back there.
[00:22:01] Speaker A: Yeah. Which would have been cheaper.
[00:22:03] Speaker B: Spooky. And. Yeah.
But I don't.
[00:22:07] Speaker A: It's funny how it's funny that I mentioned something skilling his children. And it was just off the top of my head as a horror comic and something that's popular and James Tinian is very popular. Well, you know, well done. Well received is the comparisons of this. James is getting a Something's killing the children feature film at the same time that he's getting an adult animated film or series Netflix. So like that's actually kind of funny the relation in that that I forgot that this actually the animated series is actually on HBO prior.
It was a month or two prior to the future film release. And so it's actually kind of funny to think about that there's a possibility that like something's killing the children movie ends all at the same Time. And it's. There's a comparison to that and how we might actually compare that. Like, back then, it might not be compared as much, but now we might go. We're going to compare these two things. Which one's actually better? Which one has the, you know, whatever. Because they're going to tell the same story, hopefully. I mean, like, there's no reason why someone's killing children unless they start, like. Like different time. Time chronological. Because obviously we're. You know something, I wouldn't see any.
[00:23:08] Speaker B: Reason for some of these killing to really change this plot line very much. Because the comic writing is almost designed to be written as a show.
[00:23:16] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:23:16] Speaker B: You know, and I could see this with Spawn, that you got a lot. You got a lot going on. You got a lot to try to cram in there. You know, you have different things. Sam and Twitch are major characters of the comic series that we could just have a salmon Twitch show of following these two cops in New York trying to solve murder, of what's going on here and the battle of heaven and Hell taking place. And they don't realize it. Which, honestly, if they made that movie, would have been better to have watched than what we got of a Spawn movie.
[00:23:42] Speaker A: You almost could have started with Sam and Twitch to introduce Spawn.
[00:23:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:47] Speaker A: Do you mean, like, have Sam and Twitch be like a cop? Like this horror cop, supernatural type of show that has, like, a first episode then also, I know where Spawn is, like in the last episode, which then Spawns. Spawns off. Spawns off the movie. But the.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: The.
[00:24:02] Speaker A: It almost feels like anything outside the Big two featuring Spider man or Superman or Batman or whatever is any of these independent horror things. I would think that a lot of them would be better as a TV show than a movie, and that's mainly because they're designed to be episodic, like the design. I wouldn't say don't do issue one as episode one and so on and so forth, but as readers of comic books, we're, you know, designed. These are designed to rush to read episodically. So you read an issue and you read the next issue.
[00:24:31] Speaker B: So, like, we're fingers trying to take issue. When it comes out, you got to keep it.
[00:24:34] Speaker A: They're written that way. So trying to take what you're expecting to see on screen from comics and then just smashing it all together and then having to go, well, we can't just smash it all together and introduce Spawn. We have to have some sort of reason why or some sort of other reason to make this movie.
[00:24:51] Speaker B: Move forward.
[00:24:52] Speaker A: And that's where Wynne came involved and all that stuff. And so they had this thing, but by doing that, it made it all jumbled and, like, confusing, and, like, the plot didn't really make any sense. And, like, why.
You know, it's just. To me, it was like. There's so much just in the idea of Spawn wanting to be with Wanda. That's all you really needed. I don't even think he needed to go in the fight.
[00:25:12] Speaker B: It's the tragic story that, like, he's in love with his wife. And he's forever in love his wife. And the only reason he even came back to earth after death was to try to get her back. And not understanding that the devil was going to play with him and send him back, you know, five years in the future from his death. He thought he was coming straight back from the time he died.
And all the stuff has changed. She's had to, like, move on with her life. And now she has a kid and all that. And in the comments, you have all this tragedy with it. He loves her, and then, like, he's gonna do anything he can to protect her.
And he. He really starts falling in love with Cyan, the daughter, as he's confused at first. Is this my daughter? Like, they'd always tried to have kids and couldn't. And then it's not his. But she. He becomes her imaginary friend, you know, the sad man, which I also was sad in this movie. They don't call him the sad man. It's such a big part of Cyan there. The sad man's here, and, you know, and Wanda is always confused as to what this is and why her imaginary. Her daughter's imaginary friend is the sad man. And Spawn, who is watching over her and keeping her safe.
[00:26:19] Speaker A: And there you mentioned the reason why. Why he's here is for Wanda. Like, the reason why.
[00:26:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:25] Speaker A: And so in the movie, they take Wanda and make her such a side B storyline character.
[00:26:30] Speaker B: She has no.
There's really no personality there. There's nothing to Wanda. You don't have any feeling for Wanda in this.
She's just there. She's just the wife and his best friend, Terry. There's nothing there in their relationship of like, I can't believe you did this. And then Terry being like, al, you always want me to take care of her. We found love. Like, all of that.
All of the feeling of Spawn gets left out of this movie.
[00:26:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:26:58] Speaker B: In replacement of lots of action and bad cgi.
[00:27:01] Speaker A: Yeah. That's like, I don't think they knew what they were doing. It sounds so. I sound so. Like, I'm on my high tower here as a non filmmaker.
[00:27:12] Speaker B: But.
[00:27:12] Speaker A: But in the same sense, I don't know if the people at the studio knew what they had. You know, I mean, I don't think they knew what the. The idea behind.
And maybe they didn't. Maybe. I mean, did they see 350 issues? Probably not. Like, they're probably not sitting here going, this is not gonna go forever. We just make this question, did they.
[00:27:29] Speaker B: Read any of the issues?
[00:27:31] Speaker A: And that's like, that's. That.
[00:27:32] Speaker B: That's.
[00:27:32] Speaker A: That's part of it, because. But maybe they did. Maybe they read issue one, Target audience. Maybe they read issue one and they were like.
[00:27:40] Speaker B: They're like, all right, let's go, let's go.
[00:27:41] Speaker A: Because, I mean, think about it.
[00:27:42] Speaker B: Like, they wrote the ones that came with the action figures that were a bridge even of that. They're like, okay, we get it.
[00:27:47] Speaker A: But, like. So, like, they said Violator Spawn. Sorry, Clown was a slightly different version, but I'm okay with that because when you go from comic to film, you have to do some things and you have to have some fun with things. And the writer was like, maybe I make this guy a little bit more slapsticky, a little bit more campy, campy horror thing with him eating the pizza.
[00:28:07] Speaker B: He's funny. You get that side of it.
[00:28:10] Speaker A: Phenomenal. As the actor, he might be the best actor in this movie.
[00:28:13] Speaker B: I feel so bad for him.
For the rest of this movie, I do, too.
[00:28:18] Speaker A: But you don't ever see him, so it's not like you have to. It's just his voice, basically, because it's just his acting. He's more of the body humor type of. We're moving around in the suit. And again, the practical effects of the clown. The practical effects. Slightly practical effects. I believe it's some practical effects of Violator. That's like a head, at least.
[00:28:34] Speaker B: Yeah, there's definitely parts that looks more like a head. That's sort of like. You can tell Muppet style.
[00:28:40] Speaker A: Yes, but which.
[00:28:41] Speaker B: I'm.
[00:28:41] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:28:41] Speaker B: That honestly doesn't look bad.
[00:28:43] Speaker A: No. And so the slight CGI part, the beginning of it, it's almost like they had a budget and they fit. They. Okay. This is the CGI budget. And they did like, okay, we're gonna work on a violator. And then all of a sudden, I know where they got to the end of the violator, and they're like, oh, we ran out of money. And then they're just like, okay, cool. There's a college student over there who's working with some CGI shit. He'll make Melbourne this movie. Yeah. Which is. Which is sad, Paul, because you knew who was one of the lead special effects person in this movie.
[00:29:12] Speaker B: Who's that?
[00:29:13] Speaker A: A guy named Spaz, who is one of the lead special effects people in Jurassic Park.
[00:29:20] Speaker B: Dog's name.
[00:29:21] Speaker A: Spaz does it probably. There's a documentary about this guy called Jurassic Punk. And this guy is like. Literally was so good at doing CGI and things like that. Like all the dinosaurs in Jurassic park that are running in the distance, like when they're like in the field. That's all his work. And he wanted to prove to the studio that his work at ILM would be great. They don't need to do practical effects for the. For the T. Rex. That when they visited the studio where he was working, he made sure that his work that he did to show them this was on the screen as they walked in this in the room. So that he'd be like, what the heck is this? And they'd still. Ultimately, which is best decision they made went with practical effects for most of the T. Rex. But a lot of the stuff that CGI that goes around it is all him. And then you see that.
That this is the. The other work that he did to me, I'm like, he had some. Obviously some drinking problems, some drug problems too. So maybe that's. He got the. Like. This is just Spawn. Oh, it's not Jurassic park.
[00:30:19] Speaker B: But like, I'm not worried about it.
[00:30:20] Speaker A: They came out roughly around the same time, Paul.
[00:30:24] Speaker B: Yeah. What, three, four years apart?
[00:30:26] Speaker A: Maybe before.
[00:30:28] Speaker B: Right.
[00:30:28] Speaker A: Because technically Jurassic park was early 90s, right?
[00:30:31] Speaker B: Yeah. Jasper was really nice. Yeah.
[00:30:33] Speaker A: First.
[00:30:33] Speaker B: This is what we get after Jurassic park came first. So it's sort of insane in a few years time. And then it got so much worse.
[00:30:38] Speaker A: Because this is what we got after Jurassic Park.
[00:30:42] Speaker B: Yeah. I feel like I really enjoy the clown. I like his comedy side of it. I like him tormenting Spawn constantly. And honestly, when. When I watch this movie and when friends and I rewatch this movie as teenagers, we watched it for Clown.
Because the rest of it is just. Isn't there. I don't. I don't have any feeling to Al Simmons at all. You don't have any feeling to Spawn. You don't really care. I don't really care about Jason Wynn being evil. Like, whatever. Yeah, he's terrible. But I'm also series. And in the Animated Spawn series, you really despise Jason Wynn.
[00:31:20] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:31:21] Speaker B: And in this, you just don't really care.
[00:31:25] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:31:26] Speaker B: It's none of it. I don't care about Wanda.
Like, there's nothing in this movie besides a pile of special effects. And like, shooting is all you get. It's like the whole thing, you know, you get away from the whole movie respond of like, he wants to help when he's on Earth, but if he kills bad guys, he's sending him to hell, which is what he's supposed to be on earth for.
So which one does he do? Like, you don't get any of this. He's just out there blasting left and right and.
[00:31:56] Speaker A: Well, that's the confusion a lot of people have about this whole movie. Like, they don't know what it is. We none of us know what it is. Is it a superhero movie? Is it a horror movie? It's an action film. Like, there's all this stuff. I was like, okay, the two of them. But like, I don't think that works together.
[00:32:08] Speaker B: It's super. It's super action with very light parts of horror dipped into it.
And the horror scenes and the stuff with the clown's horror is by far the best parts.
Like, I would almost just take that and watch a 20 minute to half hour piece of it and watch that and just leave the rest of the movie out.
[00:32:32] Speaker A: And his jokes and I mean, honestly, it was corny and campy, but his fart that you could see the green, like all of that was to me was. Was funny and like the. The dad jokes of style that he was telling and stuff like that. Like, to me it was like, what is scarier?
A creepy clown is always creepy. Or a creepy clown that also just like takes light of everything. Like, dude, you're. You're scary as hell and you're really dangerous to me. But you're also joking, which makes me take like, make you're trying to like, take this not seriously, but you could just obliterate me. It's like, yeah, that's scary as hell.
[00:33:02] Speaker B: So like, that he's just short fat. You don't take him serious entity. And then he's actually this demon. And the. When he transforms into the Violator and he's massive.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: It's in Violator. Those two characters, they're my. One of my favorite villains in comics. Like, they're like, yeah, to me because I just think that they're well designed. Again, artwork. Part of Spawn is the best part of Spawn. The creepiness of the long jaw Violator. That short fat, like, creepiness the shirt doesn't fit all the way dirty, you know, stubby fingered, you know, of. Of clown.
[00:33:40] Speaker B: And I love the background of him in the comics and I think it was done in the Animated Series too where you found out he was good looking on Earth.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:33:47] Speaker B: And then he was just screwing around constantly and like chasing women and whatever. So as punishment, like Mal Bulger sent him back to Earth. Is this clown like, that's what you meant with.
[00:33:56] Speaker A: So. So I just finished the Long Walk, like I mentioned over the weekend, which. Which was a phenomenal movie. If anybody wants to watch it. It's really good.
But I thought to myself, like, okay, this is. They did financially. Well, comparative to. It's a $20 million movie made like $50 million. Like it's like it's. It's not. Didn't lose money. It's based on a Stephen King property. So is there a possibility for like a Long Walk too? Was it a long jog? No.
I would love to see my.
[00:34:22] Speaker B: Right there.
[00:34:23] Speaker A: There's parts of it being is a horror version of like. Of like Hunger Games in the sense where like there's a competition for a big prize at the end that people do and people die along the way. And so there's that. That similarity in that that. I would love to see the prequel of this. Whereas like how did they get to the point where the Long Walk started to exist? And so. But that's based on like a bare. I read the book and read this. There's not much lore behind this. This story except for the book of the movie. There's so much in Spawn. But after. If I had just watched the spawn movie in 1997, that's all I got from like, I didn't read the comics and I don't read the comics now.
I'd want to know the origin more on Spawn, on. On Clown Violator than I would on Spawn. Like this the way that movie was portrayed, like, it's like I don't need to know about this creepy guy. And like what seemed like a burned face suit, but it was like obviously a suit that you're wearing. When you turn, you can see the rubberness of the suit going on. Like, like not saying Jai White was bad actor. It just did. He didn't pull me in as much as these other. The side pull me at all.
[00:35:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:35:24] Speaker A: Like I. I kid. I like Martin Sheen and Martin Sheen's phenomenal on West Wing. Like he is a great actor. And I think that was kind of cool that you think about the characters they have in this movie between White Liquizamo and Sheen in this movie. Like, those are some big people to have in this movie.
Is that Link was Ammo, which was the least of those people was better. The best out of all of them. And I would have cared more about what happened, how Clown got than I would anything else.
[00:35:51] Speaker B: Yeah. If I was going to go read this based on this, I'd probably go find that Spawn Violator miniseries a little fun. This felt.
[00:35:58] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:35:58] Speaker B: Violator. Because from this, I would not run out to buy Spawn comics.
[00:36:04] Speaker A: No.
[00:36:04] Speaker B: Like, that should also been your. Your. Your hook in was like, okay, now we're gonna get people reading more Spawn. And you go see this movie. And I don't see anybody being like, oh, gotta have more of this.
[00:36:14] Speaker A: I'm not. I'm sure that the movie didn't help the Animated series that well either.
[00:36:19] Speaker B: No, luckily it came out first because the anime series ended on a cliffhanger because it didn't get picked back up by hbo, which sucks because it was so fantastic. And it may have killed that people started watching this and was like, yeah, I think I've had enough of this plot.
[00:36:35] Speaker A: Also, this is one of John Liquizama's better films Right. In his history.
But however, I will say there's two that are better. The whole film is better than this. The Pest, which came out earlier in 97, was phenomenal. And then he was in a movie with. With Happy Hogan. What's his name?
[00:36:54] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
John.
[00:36:57] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:36:58] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:36:59] Speaker A: He directed this. Directed Iron Man.
[00:37:03] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:37:03] Speaker A: It's called Chef. And he's shout. He's the actor.
[00:37:06] Speaker B: I love Chef. Yeah. So good.
[00:37:08] Speaker A: And he's great in that movie, too. Yeah.
[00:37:10] Speaker B: But, yeah, he was in that. That's right. Yeah.
[00:37:12] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a sous chef. He's a sous chef. That helps him out.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: Sidekick in there.
[00:37:17] Speaker A: Yeah, it's phenomenal.
So we talked about special effects that They're. They're horrendous most of the time. There's practical effects. I would say 75 of the practical effects were really good. I think a little bit higher, because I do think that Spawn the clown itself was, like, phenomenal.
[00:37:36] Speaker B: Practical effects were all much better than Spawn's practical effects.
[00:37:39] Speaker A: It was definitely a 1990s movie.
Any overall outside of John Leguizamo, acting was not good. I don't think that there was very much acting that was good in this thing at all. I think that there's something corny lines. One of my favorite corner lines in the entire movie was one of those Like, I'm gonna give you a one liner that's gonna be really, really corny and like a dad joke, like, kind of thing. We're gonna put it in this movie is where you're going every day is Halloween.
[00:38:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:38:08] Speaker A: I was like, wait, someone wrote that line into a movie? That's like one of those, like, you're telling jokes back and forth and your buddy can't think of anything, and he's just like, your mom. And you're just like, wait, what? That line to me was like, where are you going every day?
Where are you going every day is Halloween. I'm like, wait, what?
That's. Yeah, that.
[00:38:28] Speaker B: Okay, that makes hell sound sort of enjoyable. Yes.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: They're trick or treating every night.
[00:38:33] Speaker B: Are there snickers there? I want to go.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: It would have been. I'm a fan of candy corn, but it would have been better. Where you're going every day, you have to eat candy corn.
[00:38:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, that's. That's error right there.
[00:38:45] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's just funny. I'm like, oh, my gosh. And that's like, in this movie. This is a feature film. And I'm just like, I don't know. It does relate.
[00:38:54] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:54] Speaker A: This is the. The film adaptation.
[00:38:56] Speaker B: It's so funny because the comics, I mean, the start I get. Maybe that's the problem. Maybe they read the first, like, 15 issues of Spawn, because the beginning of Spawn's kind of corny.
So maybe they. They read it, based the movie off of that.
[00:39:10] Speaker A: Well, I want to know also, like. Like, I have friends now or friends of the podcast, people we've talked to on the podcast who have made films. I've talked to Adam Caesar about his film being adapted from Clown the Cornfield and so on and so forth. And yeah, I've talked to other people, Daniel Krause, whoever this movie's making, some of them are actually physically working on these movies. Adam Caesar, for an example, sold his film rights to. To the studio and they made his films. They invited him to set, and he actually was an extra and things like that. But he wasn't, like, sitting there going, oh, we should be doing this and we should be doing that. Like, he was. Most of the people I talked to who sold their film rights are open and willing that if I gets a phone call from the studio or the writer or whatever and say, hey, we're thinking about doing this. What is your thoughts on it? That they'd give their input on it. No extra charge. No matter. It just. He wants the best adaptation of their stuff.
My question is, what do you think? I mean, do you think Todd McFarlane was even, like, close to being like, hey, let's talk to Todd on this thing? And. Or they think it was just, like, a. We know better. I mean, they made a Captain America movie in the 90s.
That. Or the 70s. That was. That was Captain America was a lawyer. So they do take their liberties on these things, and they make. When they buy the properties and they just. Oh, sponsor.
[00:40:12] Speaker B: I don't know. And I guess for what I've read about the upcoming Never has happened or probably gonna happen Spawn movie now, was that one of the things that slowed down production so much is Spot is. Is Todd is, like, writing it all the time and keeps. He, like, wants to control everything. And I think some of that, if that's true, comes off of. Of maybe how this turned out.
[00:40:32] Speaker A: Yeah, it's fear of it happening again.
[00:40:34] Speaker B: Maybe he let it go more and it didn't have as much in it.
[00:40:39] Speaker A: I don't know.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: I. I really don't.
Makes you wonder, like, when this came out was exciting to see your creation on screen, or was there a piece of them that was like, wow, this is not what I intended.
[00:40:56] Speaker A: So. So there are highlights. There are negatives. One of the big highlights, I will say we mentioned it just quickly, and I was touched on it again, is the main superhero, if you want to call him a superhero or whatever you want to call him the protagonist in that spawn, which is still, again, weird because he's also from hell, basically. I mean, he's gone to hell is that he's black. And that was huge at the time. I think that was a big thing. And it's also huge, in my opinion. It's written a black character that. That Todd McFarlane, as a white person, decided to make a black character, makes Al Simmons black, which was awesome. I think it's a great thing to do. However, it was weird to see them go, who Black protagonist. This is amazing. But his best friend in the comic book is black, and they made him white in the. In the movie, which was a weird decision. Like, okay, so, like, it's like, almost like you're like, okay, we got our black guy. What's the rest of the characters?
[00:41:48] Speaker B: A little bit about that, too. And that, like, they. They did it because they were afraid that then only African Americans were gonna go to the theater.
Yeah. They're like, oh, if we have it, like, people are gonna think that this is, like, only designed for black people to see. So they change it to A white person. I.
The white actor, I felt like his role in the movie was so wild that it really didn't matter.
[00:42:12] Speaker A: Well, maybe it's just their sign for him.
[00:42:15] Speaker B: Like, he was not interesting at all. Terry was just. Just there.
[00:42:20] Speaker A: Maybe there's their way of saying.
Maybe this way of saying that, like, oh, when the black main character dies, the white dude is the one that comes in here, tries to steal the. The girlfriend. Maybe that's what they were trying to say is the. The white man doing the. The horrible, horrible act of, you know, not waiting for the grave to be cool before you sleep with these, you know, your best friend.
[00:42:38] Speaker B: I was gonna say it could have been too long because the kid's about the same age as he was gone for.
[00:42:43] Speaker A: And I love the mentality sometimes of, like, oh, I'm glad it's my friend, you know, taking care of my wife, and things like that. And it's like, wait, no, no. Like that. If that person was that quick to move in, they were thinking about it all along. This is not one of those things where, like, oh, I want to be there for my agency works for the.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: Agency that sent out to die. Like, wait a minute. Hold on here.
I think I saw this on Dateline.
[00:43:06] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:43:07] Speaker B: Waited in the. In the wind until he got word that, oh, my friend died.
Then he showed up with flowers. He was like, don't worry. I got this.
[00:43:16] Speaker A: I don't know. I. Then that's. Like I said, the. The series itself is phenomenal, and I think that Spawn as a character. The name Spawn was fun. The other thing I didn't appreciate that much either is that, like, they call. You have an iconic. The logo in the comic book is an iconic logo from years and years and years, and either the. The Animated series or the feature film decided to use that logo as their logo. Even a variation of that logo, I guess that's. The Animated Series is a little bit more of that, like, pointy imagery is much closer.
[00:43:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:43:49] Speaker A: The movie was, like, this weird thing. And I think that even the COVID you look. I'll go, oh, creepy. Because the COVID The initial cover, the initial poster where it's, like, half of Spawn's face that was like, okay, that's cool. We're gonna see that whole, like, in the shadows thing. And we didn't. We see front and center with this creepy, like, really bad CGI cape. Oh, my God.
[00:44:06] Speaker B: That was like, oh, CGI cape is so bad.
[00:44:08] Speaker A: It's like a head.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: They, like, points together on his face every time.
Like, this didn't look right at all.
[00:44:19] Speaker A: So I think it was originally designed to be an R rated film and they. And they toned it down to PG 13. Again. I think there's just some bad decisions made and I think that's what happened. Why? Development Hell. There was supposed to be a sequel that again, hell. And then now it was. Jamie Foxx has been attached to playing spawn for what, 27 years now, I think. Jamie Foxx. Jamie Foxx has been rumored to play Al Simmons before the first movie came out. No, I'm just kidding. It's been so long. It feels like that.
And it's one of those things that I feel like at this point, it's almost like the best thing for Spawn is to find that person over the past 30 years or 20 years, almost 25 years to. To who loves Spawn, who's written Spawn for you, who. Who has a passion for Spawn and have sawtopic Fireline be like, here, make me a Spawn movie. And to be honest with you, we don't need. We need the new kind of origin stories of Spawn, which is quick cut scenes saying this is how Spawn became Spawn. And then let's tell the story of the rest of the stuff. Like, or an entire movie that's just like a slower version of the. The origin story of Spawn and not just a quick thing. And then.
[00:45:26] Speaker B: Yeah, origin story of Spawn. That. That had a slow build and burn to it and developed characters that we cared about and this and that.
Hell of a lot more than like, we crammed Spawn origin story into probably the hour or so and then we had a half hour of just bad action. Wrap up to it.
[00:45:47] Speaker A: What if we just went to the spin offs, Paul? What if it was a medieval.
[00:45:50] Speaker B: We got no character. Like there was no character development in this movie at all. No.
[00:45:53] Speaker A: No anything.
[00:45:55] Speaker B: No, none. They were just there again.
[00:45:57] Speaker A: I just watched the Violator and spa clowns scenes over and over again. It's just fine. Yep. But maybe it's. Maybe it's medieval Spawn. Maybe it's.
[00:46:05] Speaker B: It's.
[00:46:05] Speaker A: It's. You know, maybe it's one of these other Spawns. We get a movie of that Just like, don't even touch it.
[00:46:09] Speaker B: Just.
[00:46:09] Speaker A: Just do a medieval Spawn one. Just do a. Do a different version of what we have going on right now. Like do it. Do a different spot.
[00:46:14] Speaker B: I would. I would take a salmon Twitch series that doesn't really have Spawn in it.
[00:46:17] Speaker A: On hbo, honestly, and have it be a detective story, but have it have some supernatural elements to it. Not as much as the show Supernatural but like, have it be that way and have it be fun.
[00:46:29] Speaker B: Starts digging into that stuff. You have like werewolves and vampires and things that run around because they're all some form of connection to hell.
[00:46:36] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:46:37] Speaker B: On Earth. So have that.
[00:46:39] Speaker A: Which you have kind of that thing. If you think about.
Think about Simon, Twitch, Spawn, and Clown, it seems like Gordon, Batman, Joker.
[00:46:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:53] Speaker A: Weird.
[00:46:56] Speaker B: But creatures.
[00:46:57] Speaker A: Which is really hard. But darker, which is really hard to do because D.C. is pretty dark.
[00:47:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. They just crossed the final line from the D.C. side of being like. And he is in hell. Yeah. And he does brutally kill everybody in their brother.
[00:47:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:15] Speaker A: But again, I. I will continue to be a fan of Spawn over the years. I will. I will hold a small love for this film over the years. But there. There is, you know, and maybe it's because of the Spawn and it's one of my original. Original comics I ever, like, was like, really love loved.
[00:47:31] Speaker B: Right. The look to.
[00:47:32] Speaker A: And holding on to and owning and being there was Spawn. So maybe that's why it is. And then obviously, John Leguizamus clown is phenomenal.
[00:47:39] Speaker B: So good.
[00:47:40] Speaker A: And so just. Just the Spawn, the idea that it's Spawn, just the fact that it's Violator, the parts. Supports, parts of Violet are amazing. And the clown were amazing.
1.5 stars, which is probably higher than you're gonna go.
[00:47:56] Speaker B: So it. Honestly, that's lower than I thought you were gonna say.
[00:47:59] Speaker A: Really?
[00:48:00] Speaker B: I. I was gonna go two stars.
[00:48:02] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:48:02] Speaker B: Yeah. I was going to go two stars.
[00:48:07] Speaker A: If we didn't have half stars, I would go two stars. It wouldn't go down. So there's that.
[00:48:10] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I think one half stars is probably more fair and more accurate for this movie. I don't. I don't foresee me ever telling somebody they've got to go watch this. Really. Even if somebody comes in, they've been buying spawn since 300 and they're reading Spawn, and they've, like, started getting back issues of it. I'm not gonna be like, you know, they made a movie in 97. You gotta watch.
Meanwhile, somebody's like, oh, I love Batman. And I just started really getting to Batman. I'll be like, well, you gotta go watch 89 Batman. Yeah.
[00:48:37] Speaker A: No.
[00:48:37] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:48:38] Speaker A: Watch the three seasons of. Of Spawn on HBO.
[00:48:41] Speaker B: Yeah, go watch three. That's. And that's exactly what I tell people. If you want to see what Spawn is, go watch the HBO series.
Don't. Don't watch this.
[00:48:49] Speaker A: So. So that makes sense. So here's the deal.
[00:48:51] Speaker B: Spawn on A motorcycle. For some reason, the motorcycle steam. That was just. Because. Motorcycle scene.
Just. Oh, just. It's just. We got it all. It's all there.
[00:49:01] Speaker A: It's. It's a movie that's made. And I hope that one day we do get another Spawn, because I do want to see something that, you know, take what there was there and make a good version of it. Like, you know, the Running man from Stephen King is coming out shortened. Your film was, like, kind of a weird adaptation. So they're trying to make the real one. And I'm hoping that maybe it's the next step for this thing and maybe. Maybe spa. You know, there is a studio who wants to buy it and says, you know, we'll buy the film rights, but, Todd, you can't be involved in it. Funny quick thing while we finish up, because you got to open the store is when I. When Nova was born, and he'd wake up in the middle of the night for his bottle. I need to watch something on tv. And I sat down and watched the Spawn animated series on hbo. And I'm like, maybe that's why he has nightmares now.
[00:49:38] Speaker B: But no. Yeah.
Feeding the baby and midnight, like, watching Spawn.
[00:49:42] Speaker A: I'm like, this kid doesn't know what he's doing. My wife's not gonna watch this with me. I might as well watch it in.
[00:49:45] Speaker B: The middle of the night.
[00:49:47] Speaker A: But, yeah, watching hockey games, at least in 1997. 1.5 to 2 stars from here at Capes and Tights podcast. Paul, thank you so much.
[00:49:57] Speaker B: A lot more.
[00:49:58] Speaker A: Yeah, that's probably 115.
Paul, thank you so much for taking your time out to do this again.
5547 Hamley street in Bangor, Maine. Collector comics and collectibles.com find you on social media.
[00:50:10] Speaker B: It's live.
[00:50:11] Speaker A: There's stuff I did, I did. I didn't.
[00:50:14] Speaker B: You can buy.
Almost every one of our trade paperbacks is in stock on the website.
I'm starting getting a couple toys up on the website. We're still kind of figuring out what toys are going to be best suited to put on there.
[00:50:24] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: And there's a graded section. We're going to start getting graded comics up there. So all the cool slabs and stuff you see will be on the website. Holy schnikes. We're like a real place.
[00:50:33] Speaker A: That's amazing. It's so amazing. And I'll see you this week. At some point.
[00:50:36] Speaker B: I'll be here doing stuff. I don't know.
[00:50:39] Speaker A: I feel like the last time I saw you, we recorded. It was digital. It wasn't even a real person. No, I saw you since then, but, yeah, so get the store open and tell your co worker there to back you in the back room because you didn't do a good job doing that. And then, yeah, get on it.
[00:50:54] Speaker B: The hell, man.
[00:50:55] Speaker A: But, yeah, as always, is amazing. Spawn is that every day, 90 minutes.
[00:51:02] Speaker B: You'll never get back, folks.
[00:51:03] Speaker A: We're gonna stop doing ratings of stars. We're just gonna start being like, yay. Or, oh, yeah, thank you.
Have fun.
